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Re: Two different marriage certificates for the same NYC couple #general

Lew Norman <lewnorman@...>
 

Here's my guess: these folks were married first by the rabbi, and then
later wanted a civil certificate, not realizing that the rabbi would file
for them. Thus i have concluded that the "civil" certificate is closer to
the facts, as the bride and groom gave that information personally.
Dear Phyllis: I regret to say that you are completely incorrect. Please read
my extensive response posted to the discussion group earlier today.

Sincerely,
Mark Nearenberg, Esq.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two different marriage certificates for the same NYC couple #general

Lew Norman <lewnorman@...>
 

Here's my guess: these folks were married first by the rabbi, and then
later wanted a civil certificate, not realizing that the rabbi would file
for them. Thus i have concluded that the "civil" certificate is closer to
the facts, as the bride and groom gave that information personally.
Dear Phyllis: I regret to say that you are completely incorrect. Please read
my extensive response posted to the discussion group earlier today.

Sincerely,
Mark Nearenberg, Esq.


Re: keidan digest: November 14, 1998 #lithuania

LLapinhain@...
 

Dear Andrew Cassel,

Roger-dodger, A-OK. At least my tiny bit of the member list is working.
Thank you, >from a Litvak genealogist >from Savlon (Saiulenai), & Kretinga
(Crottingen) & Tovrig (Taurage).

Louise Lapin-Haines <LLapinhain@...


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania Re: keidan digest: November 14, 1998 #lithuania

LLapinhain@...
 

Dear Andrew Cassel,

Roger-dodger, A-OK. At least my tiny bit of the member list is working.
Thank you, >from a Litvak genealogist >from Savlon (Saiulenai), & Kretinga
(Crottingen) & Tovrig (Taurage).

Louise Lapin-Haines <LLapinhain@...


Re: Budapest city directories -- please share info w/ me #hungary

D Larson <d_larson@...>
 

To Diane Goldman,
If you come across any information about Budapest city directories being available
in the United States please share it with me. My ggm is reported to have grown up
in Budapest in time period you mention.

I wish I had the key information to offer you.

Thanks
-- Denise Larson

--


Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:h-sig@...">h-
sig@...</A> (Hungarian SIG)
. . . . I am looking for Budapest City Directories >from the late 1800s
to the early 1900s either on fiche or microfilm or the actual books.


The Szechenyi Library in Budapest has non-current city directories. I
don't know for what years.
--Diane
<dgoldman@...>

This is the same response I am getting >from others, I am hoping to find some
directories in the USA. Thanks, Eleanor


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Re: given name Suzie or Sizie or ? #general

L.M. Berkowitz <lmb@...>
 

Could the name be Tzirel?

On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:17:11 -0800, Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
wrote:

:I just received a marriage certificate for my ggparents, and the bride's
:mother's name is very hard to read. It looks to me like Suzie or Sizie
:or Sizil SLAUCKY, but I'm wondering how likely it was that a woman who
:was probably born in the 1870s in NYC or Hungary or Germany might be
:called any of those things.

Leah Berkowitz lmb "at" adni.net lberkow1 "at" ford.com
http://www.jewish-history.com/ Jewish-American History


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Budapest city directories -- please share info w/ me #hungary

D Larson <d_larson@...>
 

To Diane Goldman,
If you come across any information about Budapest city directories being available
in the United States please share it with me. My ggm is reported to have grown up
in Budapest in time period you mention.

I wish I had the key information to offer you.

Thanks
-- Denise Larson

--


Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:h-sig@...">h-
sig@...</A> (Hungarian SIG)
. . . . I am looking for Budapest City Directories >from the late 1800s
to the early 1900s either on fiche or microfilm or the actual books.


The Szechenyi Library in Budapest has non-current city directories. I
don't know for what years.
--Diane
<dgoldman@...>

This is the same response I am getting >from others, I am hoping to find some
directories in the USA. Thanks, Eleanor


Get your FREE E-mail at http://mailcity.lycos.com
Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: given name Suzie or Sizie or ? #general

L.M. Berkowitz <lmb@...>
 

Could the name be Tzirel?

On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:17:11 -0800, Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
wrote:

:I just received a marriage certificate for my ggparents, and the bride's
:mother's name is very hard to read. It looks to me like Suzie or Sizie
:or Sizil SLAUCKY, but I'm wondering how likely it was that a woman who
:was probably born in the 1870s in NYC or Hungary or Germany might be
:called any of those things.

Leah Berkowitz lmb "at" adni.net lberkow1 "at" ford.com
http://www.jewish-history.com/ Jewish-American History


JGS Palm Springs Meeting #general

Glynne
 

Have you hit a snag with your research or reached a deadend?
Bring your problems and let's put our heads together to help each other.

Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Jewish Federation
255 N. El Cielo Rd.
Palm Springs, CA

For more information call Gay Lynne Kegan 340-6554.
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Palm Springs Meeting #general

Glynne
 

Have you hit a snag with your research or reached a deadend?
Bring your problems and let's put our heads together to help each other.

Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Jewish Federation
255 N. El Cielo Rd.
Palm Springs, CA

For more information call Gay Lynne Kegan 340-6554.
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine


Shtetl history that's fascinating! #general

KKirshner@...
 

I was on my way to see the movie, "Elizabeth" and had to kill time before the
show started, so I stepped into Barnes & Noble bookstore. I did not anticipate
the treasure I would find as I entered, a thorough, beautifully written book
about a 900-year old shtetl in Lithuania. In fact, it isn't a shtetl from
which I know I have any family. (Although that is certainly a possibility
somewhere back in time.) I started to read the book and couldn't put it down.
I left the store by way of the cashier. Synchronistically, as I approached the
counter to purchase the find, all of a sudden, Kletzmer music started playing
throughout the store. It seemed like finding this book was destiny. I have
been unable to put it down since and want to recommend it to all Jewishgenners
& LitvakSIGers. It is There Once Was A World: A 900-Year Chronicle of the
Shtetl of Eishyshok, by Yaffa Eliach; published by Little Brown & Co. It's
about more than one shtetl. It's about life in a shtetl, it's culture, socio-
economic and political structure. So
much of what I read was confirmation of what my maternal grandmother had told
me about her shtetl life and Gramma Liba KHIDEKEL BERMAN was of equidistance
NE of Vilna as Eishyshok is South of the city. Another interesting find was
that there were a lot of KIRSCHNER citings in the book and it included a
shtetl emigrant named, Walter KIRSCHNER, close friend and financial backer to
FDR.

When my father was in the US Army in WWII, he was originally a paratrooper
with the 89th Airborne and broke his foot and was put into the Infantry
(--355th Infantry, part of the 89th Infantry Div. attached to 4th Armored
Div.--) as soon as it was healed. My brave grandmother Rachel BARON KIRSHNER
went to see FDR to discuss this injustice and to ensure my (Orthodox-raised)
father could receive Kosher food she wanted to send him (e.g. salami), while
his whereabouts in Europe were top secret even to his family. She slept in a
bus station in Washington, DC after arriving >from Altoona, PA, and then went
to the White House in the morning. Although she did not get to meet with FDR,
amazingly enough, this little immigrant woman >from Vilki had a private meeting
with FDR's top aide, Harry Hopkins. Although my grandmother was very
brilliant, articulate and dynamic and her persistance and maternal instinct
were credited with getting her to have her say with the President's top man, I
wonder now if hearing the name "KIRSHNER" helped open the door? I doubt she
even knew of Walter KIRSCHNER, but with the information about him in this new
book, now I can't help but wonder if it played an unsuspected role. Now
there's no way I'll ever know, but I will continue to be intrigued reading
this book! -- Karen Kirshner, NYC KKirshner@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shtetl history that's fascinating! #general

KKirshner@...
 

I was on my way to see the movie, "Elizabeth" and had to kill time before the
show started, so I stepped into Barnes & Noble bookstore. I did not anticipate
the treasure I would find as I entered, a thorough, beautifully written book
about a 900-year old shtetl in Lithuania. In fact, it isn't a shtetl from
which I know I have any family. (Although that is certainly a possibility
somewhere back in time.) I started to read the book and couldn't put it down.
I left the store by way of the cashier. Synchronistically, as I approached the
counter to purchase the find, all of a sudden, Kletzmer music started playing
throughout the store. It seemed like finding this book was destiny. I have
been unable to put it down since and want to recommend it to all Jewishgenners
& LitvakSIGers. It is There Once Was A World: A 900-Year Chronicle of the
Shtetl of Eishyshok, by Yaffa Eliach; published by Little Brown & Co. It's
about more than one shtetl. It's about life in a shtetl, it's culture, socio-
economic and political structure. So
much of what I read was confirmation of what my maternal grandmother had told
me about her shtetl life and Gramma Liba KHIDEKEL BERMAN was of equidistance
NE of Vilna as Eishyshok is South of the city. Another interesting find was
that there were a lot of KIRSCHNER citings in the book and it included a
shtetl emigrant named, Walter KIRSCHNER, close friend and financial backer to
FDR.

When my father was in the US Army in WWII, he was originally a paratrooper
with the 89th Airborne and broke his foot and was put into the Infantry
(--355th Infantry, part of the 89th Infantry Div. attached to 4th Armored
Div.--) as soon as it was healed. My brave grandmother Rachel BARON KIRSHNER
went to see FDR to discuss this injustice and to ensure my (Orthodox-raised)
father could receive Kosher food she wanted to send him (e.g. salami), while
his whereabouts in Europe were top secret even to his family. She slept in a
bus station in Washington, DC after arriving >from Altoona, PA, and then went
to the White House in the morning. Although she did not get to meet with FDR,
amazingly enough, this little immigrant woman >from Vilki had a private meeting
with FDR's top aide, Harry Hopkins. Although my grandmother was very
brilliant, articulate and dynamic and her persistance and maternal instinct
were credited with getting her to have her say with the President's top man, I
wonder now if hearing the name "KIRSHNER" helped open the door? I doubt she
even knew of Walter KIRSCHNER, but with the information about him in this new
book, now I can't help but wonder if it played an unsuspected role. Now
there's no way I'll ever know, but I will continue to be intrigued reading
this book! -- Karen Kirshner, NYC KKirshner@...


Re: synagogue marriages in England #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

Subject: Re: synagogue marriages in England
From: michael slifkin <slifkin@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:40:36 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

According to UK law any ceremony purporting to be a wedding must be
registered with the authorities. The Rabbi who married a couple after a
civil wedding was committing a technical offense as clearly the wedding
could not be registered for a second time and the law doesn't allow for
such weddings.

In a message dated 98-11-11 07:05:41 EST, nick@...
writes:
I have experienced the reverse case where a couple were married in a
registry office and then subsequently they were given a quiet religious
service. They might not have been at all religious at the time or one
partner might have been converted.
I am sure that you are wrong. A Christian friend of mine was marrying a
divorcee. They were first married in a registry office and then the
marriage was blessed in Church. I know that is not quite the same thing but
it is similar.

There are legal reasons why it might be prudent to be made husband and wife
and to travel as so although the couple might wish to travel to another
country, to celebrate with family etc, to have the religious service.

I believe it is not uncommon for Muslims to be married in a civil service
in the UK and to have a religious service in the Indian sub-continent.

Likewise I would have thought that denominations that are not registered
for marriage would use the civil facilities and then carry out their own
marriage service.

If the rabbi had been carrying out something illegal I think that he had
chosen the wrong boys to make up the minyan because I don't think our
parents woudl have condoned something that was not above board.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: synagogue marriages in England #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

Subject: Re: synagogue marriages in England
From: michael slifkin <slifkin@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:40:36 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

According to UK law any ceremony purporting to be a wedding must be
registered with the authorities. The Rabbi who married a couple after a
civil wedding was committing a technical offense as clearly the wedding
could not be registered for a second time and the law doesn't allow for
such weddings.

In a message dated 98-11-11 07:05:41 EST, nick@...
writes:
I have experienced the reverse case where a couple were married in a
registry office and then subsequently they were given a quiet religious
service. They might not have been at all religious at the time or one
partner might have been converted.
I am sure that you are wrong. A Christian friend of mine was marrying a
divorcee. They were first married in a registry office and then the
marriage was blessed in Church. I know that is not quite the same thing but
it is similar.

There are legal reasons why it might be prudent to be made husband and wife
and to travel as so although the couple might wish to travel to another
country, to celebrate with family etc, to have the religious service.

I believe it is not uncommon for Muslims to be married in a civil service
in the UK and to have a religious service in the Indian sub-continent.

Likewise I would have thought that denominations that are not registered
for marriage would use the civil facilities and then carry out their own
marriage service.

If the rabbi had been carrying out something illegal I think that he had
chosen the wrong boys to make up the minyan because I don't think our
parents woudl have condoned something that was not above board.


Re: Searching: GANZ, GANS and BRUMLIK #general

Susan&David
 

Claude Ganz <Iclaudius@...> wrote:

Does anybody have information about these three family names from
Germany?
The current issue of "American Jewish History, published by AJHS in
Waltham, MA has a fascinating essay by Gary C. Grassl entitled "Joachim
Gans of Prague: The First Jew in English America". Joachim Gans, a
German Jewish expert in metals and mining, was employed by Queen
Elizabeth's government to improve the operations of the Royal Mines. He
reached America in 1585 where he was to "find and test the metals that
were to make everyone's fortune". The essay includes some genealogical
information. Maybe your ancestor??

David Rosen
Boston, MA


Can't say thank you to all of you personally #general

A. E. Jordan
 

In response to my request for help reading the Hebrew inscription on my great
grandfather's tombstone I was flooded with offers of "Jewish Gen Oricity" ie
help. I can not write back and say thank youto each of you individually so
please accept in this form a thank you for your offer of help.

I have been working with Stan Goodman in Isreal on the stones and he is being
extremely helpful. Thank you again Stan.

Also thanks to Nir Alon who also helped out with information.

If I over stay my welcome with Stan I might have to call on a few additional
friends >from the list -- but in the meantime a million thank yous to everyone
who offered to help out. It is my foundish wish that all of you may have a
wonderful new discovery in your search in exchange for your kind offer to take
time to help me in my search.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: GANZ, GANS and BRUMLIK #general

Susan&David
 

Claude Ganz <Iclaudius@...> wrote:

Does anybody have information about these three family names from
Germany?
The current issue of "American Jewish History, published by AJHS in
Waltham, MA has a fascinating essay by Gary C. Grassl entitled "Joachim
Gans of Prague: The First Jew in English America". Joachim Gans, a
German Jewish expert in metals and mining, was employed by Queen
Elizabeth's government to improve the operations of the Royal Mines. He
reached America in 1585 where he was to "find and test the metals that
were to make everyone's fortune". The essay includes some genealogical
information. Maybe your ancestor??

David Rosen
Boston, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Can't say thank you to all of you personally #general

A. E. Jordan
 

In response to my request for help reading the Hebrew inscription on my great
grandfather's tombstone I was flooded with offers of "Jewish Gen Oricity" ie
help. I can not write back and say thank youto each of you individually so
please accept in this form a thank you for your offer of help.

I have been working with Stan Goodman in Isreal on the stones and he is being
extremely helpful. Thank you again Stan.

Also thanks to Nir Alon who also helped out with information.

If I over stay my welcome with Stan I might have to call on a few additional
friends >from the list -- but in the meantime a million thank yous to everyone
who offered to help out. It is my foundish wish that all of you may have a
wonderful new discovery in your search in exchange for your kind offer to take
time to help me in my search.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...


Researching ths Situation of our Relatives in Eastern Europe in 1940-1941 #general

Joel Alpert <ALPERT@...>
 

To All whose families came >from Eastern Europe:

Assuming that many of us had some family in Eastern Europe before World War
II (and in fact lost them in the Holocaust, though many of us are probably
unaware of this, as I had been), I would like to bring to your attention an
excellent source of information, the book "The Lesser of Two Evils," by
Professor Dov Levin of the Hebrew University (Director of the Oral History
Department). It was published by the Jewish Publication Society in 1995,
Philadelphia and Jerusalem. Professor Levin describes the dilemma and
ultimate fate of these 2,000,000 Jews, our families. They were caught in
the most impossible situation between the Nazi death threat and the lesser
evil of the Soviet occupation. I would urge anyone interested in
understanding this important period of history to read this work. This
material serves to help us understand their situation and some of the
decisions that they made as to whether to leave or not.

Joel Alpert
Woburn, MA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching ths Situation of our Relatives in Eastern Europe in 1940-1941 #general

Joel Alpert <ALPERT@...>
 

To All whose families came >from Eastern Europe:

Assuming that many of us had some family in Eastern Europe before World War
II (and in fact lost them in the Holocaust, though many of us are probably
unaware of this, as I had been), I would like to bring to your attention an
excellent source of information, the book "The Lesser of Two Evils," by
Professor Dov Levin of the Hebrew University (Director of the Oral History
Department). It was published by the Jewish Publication Society in 1995,
Philadelphia and Jerusalem. Professor Levin describes the dilemma and
ultimate fate of these 2,000,000 Jews, our families. They were caught in
the most impossible situation between the Nazi death threat and the lesser
evil of the Soviet occupation. I would urge anyone interested in
understanding this important period of history to read this work. This
material serves to help us understand their situation and some of the
decisions that they made as to whether to leave or not.

Joel Alpert
Woburn, MA, USA