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Re: Bielcza #poland

Ellen Sattler-Harpin <EHarpin@...>
 

Thank you to all who responded after there was a question about the
appropriate nature of my post. I was, indeed, hoping to find someone
who could tell me what it was like to live there, what the area was
like. I've looked at the 1907 Krakow Directory on microfilm at the FHC
and was absolutely mesmerized with the names, ads, just the general
flavor of what life must have been like for my family and those who also
lived there. I was not asking for research to be done, and I apologize
if anyone was offended by the post. It was only my intent to find out
if anyone else was looking in that area, and hopefully, to find someone
who knew about the area. It is one of the areas I've never seen
mentioned, and I know my family could not have lived there alone!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Ellen


JRI Poland #Poland Re:Bielcza #poland

Ellen Sattler-Harpin <EHarpin@...>
 

Thank you to all who responded after there was a question about the
appropriate nature of my post. I was, indeed, hoping to find someone
who could tell me what it was like to live there, what the area was
like. I've looked at the 1907 Krakow Directory on microfilm at the FHC
and was absolutely mesmerized with the names, ads, just the general
flavor of what life must have been like for my family and those who also
lived there. I was not asking for research to be done, and I apologize
if anyone was offended by the post. It was only my intent to find out
if anyone else was looking in that area, and hopefully, to find someone
who knew about the area. It is one of the areas I've never seen
mentioned, and I know my family could not have lived there alone!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Ellen


BOCHENEK/BOCH Success! #general

LASSER3 <LASSER3@...>
 

Thanks to the speedy responses and suggestions >from Arlene Weiss and
Cheryl Fox, we are now in communication with Arlene's and my mutual
cousin Oliver "Al" Boch! Thanks gals!

What a way to celebrate with true Thanksgiving!

Happy Holiday,
Martha Eisenberg Lasser
Diamond Bar California
lasser3@prodigy.net

Researching: EISENBERG of Buenos Aires, Chicago & Warsaw
FEIL of Caracas, Venezuela, Chicago & Hrubieszow
GLASER/LASSER/LESSOR of South Africa, Long Island, Holidaysburg, PA
KLANG/RUFF/ZINGER of Hrubieszow, Poland
Also Schaffer, Novadvorsky and many others


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BOCHENEK/BOCH Success! #general

LASSER3 <LASSER3@...>
 

Thanks to the speedy responses and suggestions >from Arlene Weiss and
Cheryl Fox, we are now in communication with Arlene's and my mutual
cousin Oliver "Al" Boch! Thanks gals!

What a way to celebrate with true Thanksgiving!

Happy Holiday,
Martha Eisenberg Lasser
Diamond Bar California
lasser3@prodigy.net

Researching: EISENBERG of Buenos Aires, Chicago & Warsaw
FEIL of Caracas, Venezuela, Chicago & Hrubieszow
GLASER/LASSER/LESSOR of South Africa, Long Island, Holidaysburg, PA
KLANG/RUFF/ZINGER of Hrubieszow, Poland
Also Schaffer, Novadvorsky and many others


FEITELSON and FINKELSTEIN, Tambov, Russia to Connecticut, USA #general

SN Janin <snjanin@...>
 

My g-grandfather is Paul FEITELSON (d. Sep. 1947) of Tambov, Russia.
His father was either Wolfe or Chaim Feitelson. Paul married Clara
(Kala) FINKELSTEIN (a 1st cousin presumed to be >from Tambov). They had
a total of 14 children. I have some information on 8 of the children -
Louis (b. 1882), Anna, John, Maurice and George (b.1898) (my
grandfather) were born in Russia; Sophie (b. 1900), Jacob (b. 1902) and
Rose were born in Connecticut, USA.

Paul emigrated to the US in 1898 or 1899. Clara followed with the
children, but it is thought that she came to the US via Canada. Please
contact me if you have any information relating to these individuals or
any information regarding Tambov, Russia. Thank you.

Sally Novak Janin
Box 1210, The Valley
Anguilla, British West Indies
snjanin@anguillanet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FEITELSON and FINKELSTEIN, Tambov, Russia to Connecticut, USA #general

SN Janin <snjanin@...>
 

My g-grandfather is Paul FEITELSON (d. Sep. 1947) of Tambov, Russia.
His father was either Wolfe or Chaim Feitelson. Paul married Clara
(Kala) FINKELSTEIN (a 1st cousin presumed to be >from Tambov). They had
a total of 14 children. I have some information on 8 of the children -
Louis (b. 1882), Anna, John, Maurice and George (b.1898) (my
grandfather) were born in Russia; Sophie (b. 1900), Jacob (b. 1902) and
Rose were born in Connecticut, USA.

Paul emigrated to the US in 1898 or 1899. Clara followed with the
children, but it is thought that she came to the US via Canada. Please
contact me if you have any information relating to these individuals or
any information regarding Tambov, Russia. Thank you.

Sally Novak Janin
Box 1210, The Valley
Anguilla, British West Indies
snjanin@anguillanet.com


"Sugihara Jews" #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

Last April, I think it was, someone mentioned a reunion that was to take
place with the "Sugihara Jews". My cousin very much wants to attend but I
cannot seem to find the posting in the Jewishgen discussion archives.
Could whomever posted that first message please contact me? Or whoever
took note of the reunion contact me? Thanks in advance!

Martha

--
Martha LEVINSON Lev-Zion >from Israel <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>

Researching:
LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.
HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.
LEVOR/LEFOR (Barchfeld, Germany) Anyplace in the world.
ROTHSCHILD (Bamberg, Germany)
BERNET/BARNET (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany)
HIMMELREICH (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Sugihara Jews" #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

Last April, I think it was, someone mentioned a reunion that was to take
place with the "Sugihara Jews". My cousin very much wants to attend but I
cannot seem to find the posting in the Jewishgen discussion archives.
Could whomever posted that first message please contact me? Or whoever
took note of the reunion contact me? Thanks in advance!

Martha

--
Martha LEVINSON Lev-Zion >from Israel <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>

Researching:
LIEBERTHAL (Latvia/Lithuania) Anyplace in the world.
HIM(M)ELHOCH (Latvia) Anyplace in the world.
LEVOR/LEFOR (Barchfeld, Germany) Anyplace in the world.
ROTHSCHILD (Bamberg, Germany)
BERNET/BARNET (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany)
HIMMELREICH (Frensdorf/Bamberg, Bavaria - Germany


Re: Special Marriage #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

At 12:01 AM -0600 11/24/98, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
Subject: Special marriage...
From: Eve Line Blum <blume@edu.essec.fr>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:03:14 +0100

My question is this one : we use the genealogical software *Brother's
Keeper", which just can't enter a marriage between two men or two women.
One way to fool the software would be to declare one of the "spouses"
(presumably the one not in the family) to be of the opposite sex and to use
a note to explain what you did. When distributing a printed version of
the tree some white-out might be needed.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Special Marriage #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

At 12:01 AM -0600 11/24/98, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
Subject: Special marriage...
From: Eve Line Blum <blume@edu.essec.fr>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 23:03:14 +0100

My question is this one : we use the genealogical software *Brother's
Keeper", which just can't enter a marriage between two men or two women.
One way to fool the software would be to declare one of the "spouses"
(presumably the one not in the family) to be of the opposite sex and to use
a note to explain what you did. When distributing a printed version of
the tree some white-out might be needed.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

hrensin@erols.com (Howard M. Rensin) writes:

I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
does anyone know if this is correct?
Howard
It is not correct that Hersh is a 'yiddishized' version of Gersh.
Rather, it's the other way around. Hersh (Hirsch) is of Germanic
origin and found its way into Russia via Yiddish. Since Russian
does not have an "H" sound, it comes out as "Gersh".

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hersh vs Gersh #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

hrensin@erols.com (Howard M. Rensin) writes:

I have heard that the name Hersh does not really exist in
Russian and that it is Gersh. The use of Hersh is a 'yiddishized'
adaptation. Since this might be important in Russian research,
does anyone know if this is correct?
Howard
It is not correct that Hersh is a 'yiddishized' version of Gersh.
Rather, it's the other way around. Hersh (Hirsch) is of Germanic
origin and found its way into Russia via Yiddish. Since Russian
does not have an "H" sound, it comes out as "Gersh".

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu


Re: Bielcza #poland

Lthorpe883@...
 

Perhaps I have a different read on the message posted by EHarpin, but it
seemed to me that he/she was asking for more information about that town, not
asking for some specific research to be done for him/her.
I am sure I have seen many such posts in the past. Of course all of the sites
listed are the best way to begin, but it is very enlightening to connect with
someone who knows more about the flavor of your family's shtetl.
Hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving!
Linda Thorpe Caciola
Venice, CA

Lthorpe883@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Re:Bielcza #poland

Lthorpe883@...
 

Perhaps I have a different read on the message posted by EHarpin, but it
seemed to me that he/she was asking for more information about that town, not
asking for some specific research to be done for him/her.
I am sure I have seen many such posts in the past. Of course all of the sites
listed are the best way to begin, but it is very enlightening to connect with
someone who knows more about the flavor of your family's shtetl.
Hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving!
Linda Thorpe Caciola
Venice, CA

Lthorpe883@aol.com


Honest genealogy search inUkraine and Georgia #general

Metersky@...
 

Does anyone know of someone in the Ukraine and/or Georgia that does genealogy
searches that is honest and reliable? Please send response to
<metersky@aol.com>.Thank you.

Mort Metersky

MODERATOR NOTE: Since we cannot publish testimonials or
recommendations for researchers, please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Honest genealogy search inUkraine and Georgia #general

Metersky@...
 

Does anyone know of someone in the Ukraine and/or Georgia that does genealogy
searches that is honest and reliable? Please send response to
<metersky@aol.com>.Thank you.

Mort Metersky

MODERATOR NOTE: Since we cannot publish testimonials or
recommendations for researchers, please respond privately.


Re Jewish Immigration to Canada #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

wrote: Barbara Siegel

I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns >from Europe
to >Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th century.(snip)
What were the circumstances that resulted in earlier Jewish
immigration to Canada as opposed to the U.S., the destination chosen by
the majority of Jews >from Eastern Europe?
I am not referring to the use of Canada as a transit point on the way to
the U.S., but to those who remained permanently in Canada. (snip).......
Also, I am very interested in reading accounts of the Jewish immigration
experience in Canada, and would appreciate some suggestions.

Why Canada and not the US

The Canadian Government and the Canadian Pacific Railway actively
recruited immigrants in Central Europe and subsidized their passage
to the Canadian West. The motivation was fear that Americans coming
north >from Minnisota and the Dakotas would settle Western Canada and
annex it to the US (like Texas was annexed >from Mexico) and the need
for the railway to have customers. Cheap fares may have been one reason.

The second reason may have been the perception that opportunities in
Canada were better than in the States or alternately the slums of
Montreal and Toronto were not as squalid as the the slums of New York.

On the other hand prominent Canadian politicians (some in the last
century and certainly some in this century) were definitely not
enthusiastic about the immigration of Jews into Canada - I have the
impression that Canadian politicians were less enthusiastic about
Jewish immigration than Americans were.

My father's father came to Montreal in 1903 possibly because his older
half brothers were already there. He later went to New York by train in
1905 (per the St Alban's register) and while he met my grandmother in
NYC he returned to Montreal to live the rest of his life.

My mother's father came to Winnipeg possibly because he dreamed of
farming (a forbidden occupation in Russia) and possibly because some
cousins/landsmen preceed him.

My parents lived in Canada. I came to the US in 1963 because of
career opportunities.

I don't know if you can find it in Isreal but a book published in
Toronto in 1980 by Harry Gutkin called Journey Into Our heritage - The
story of the Jewish People in Western Canada has a good description of
the life of Jewsih immigrants in Western Canada. If that is not
available you might try articles on Canada, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg
and Manitoba in the Encyclopedia Judicica. On the web try the Canadian
Jewish Congress (http://www.cjc.ca) and research the name kessler in
JewishGen archives.

Avrum Lapin,
Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Jewish Immigration to Canada #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

wrote: Barbara Siegel

I am looking for information re Jewish immigration patterns >from Europe
to >Canada, especially during the second half of the 19th century.(snip)
What were the circumstances that resulted in earlier Jewish
immigration to Canada as opposed to the U.S., the destination chosen by
the majority of Jews >from Eastern Europe?
I am not referring to the use of Canada as a transit point on the way to
the U.S., but to those who remained permanently in Canada. (snip).......
Also, I am very interested in reading accounts of the Jewish immigration
experience in Canada, and would appreciate some suggestions.

Why Canada and not the US

The Canadian Government and the Canadian Pacific Railway actively
recruited immigrants in Central Europe and subsidized their passage
to the Canadian West. The motivation was fear that Americans coming
north >from Minnisota and the Dakotas would settle Western Canada and
annex it to the US (like Texas was annexed >from Mexico) and the need
for the railway to have customers. Cheap fares may have been one reason.

The second reason may have been the perception that opportunities in
Canada were better than in the States or alternately the slums of
Montreal and Toronto were not as squalid as the the slums of New York.

On the other hand prominent Canadian politicians (some in the last
century and certainly some in this century) were definitely not
enthusiastic about the immigration of Jews into Canada - I have the
impression that Canadian politicians were less enthusiastic about
Jewish immigration than Americans were.

My father's father came to Montreal in 1903 possibly because his older
half brothers were already there. He later went to New York by train in
1905 (per the St Alban's register) and while he met my grandmother in
NYC he returned to Montreal to live the rest of his life.

My mother's father came to Winnipeg possibly because he dreamed of
farming (a forbidden occupation in Russia) and possibly because some
cousins/landsmen preceed him.

My parents lived in Canada. I came to the US in 1963 because of
career opportunities.

I don't know if you can find it in Isreal but a book published in
Toronto in 1980 by Harry Gutkin called Journey Into Our heritage - The
story of the Jewish People in Western Canada has a good description of
the life of Jewsih immigrants in Western Canada. If that is not
available you might try articles on Canada, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg
and Manitoba in the Encyclopedia Judicica. On the web try the Canadian
Jewish Congress (http://www.cjc.ca) and research the name kessler in
JewishGen archives.

Avrum Lapin,
Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


Correction: FALTISCHEK & BRONZESCU #general

haflo <haflo@...>
 

A short while ago, I wrote in on behalf of a British friend who is
searching for a relative named Hedy BRONZESCU. In error, I gave an
incorrect family name which I am attempting to correct now.

Hedy BRONZESCU was closely related to my friend's mother (Grete
FALTISCHEK/BLITZ), & her uncle (Walter FALTISCHEK). The family lost
touch in 1929, & despite repeated attempts to locate the descendants
of Hedy BRONZESCU, they have been unsuccessful.

Hedy BRONZESCU (her maiden name) was born on June 26, 1912 in Vienna.
Her parents Eugen & Natalie BRONZESCU were >from Romania (possibly
Bucharest). It is believed that Hedy once lived in Paris, then moved
to England where she married a doctor.

If anyone has any knowledge of the BRONZESCU or FALTISCHEK family names,
please reply privately.


ELMAN researching: MACHERET - Zolotonosha, Ukraine; PRESSMAN - Dolginov,
Vilenskaya (Vileyka); SURIS/SURES - Odessa, Ukraine; WEISSBEIN/VAJSBEJN -
Odessa, Ukraine; NERENBERG - Socolec, Podolsk, Ukraine;
ZILBERBERG/SILBERBERG - Podolia, Ukraine; GOTLIBOVICH/GOTLIBOWITZ/GOTLIEB -
Cherkassy, Korsun, Zolotonosha, Kharkov, & H/Gorodishche, Ukraine

Florence Elman
<haflo@cadvision.com>


Emanuel Hebrew Rest. FORT WORTH #general

Judith Wolkovitch <102444.44@...>
 

Is there anyone in Fort Worth who would be willing to visit the Emanual
Hebrew Rest. and find a gravestone in return for some research in Los
Angeles? I have tried making a phone call to the cemetery but the lady
seemed unable to help.

Please reply privately

Thank you

Judy Wolkovitch 102444.44@compuserve.com