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Re: SALOM del VALLE. in Hebrew #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 99-01-15 18:26:13 EST, Rene van Wijngaarden/ Netherlands
<106141.360@compuserve.com > writes:

I would like to ask you what could have been the Hebrew form of writing
our familyname : SALOM del VALLE.
he Del Valle part is Spanish and means ">from the valley " I would be very
much obliged to have both the Hebrew translation and transliteration of >this name.
==OK, we're on to some basic stuff here. I guess you're saying "What would
have been my ancestor's Hebrew family name before they translated it into
Spenish as Salom del Valle. Salom looks like the Hebrew Shalom which means
peace or wholeness and is a common first name. Most Jews were known until less
than two centuries ago by such a Jewish (most frequently Biblical) name to
which the father's name was added. So, Isaac Jacob would be the name of
Jacob's son, Isaac.

Since there were often a few Isaac Jacobs in a village, or because people
wanted to be able to refer to one specific family by a name that would
identify them, it is possible that one family was referred to as del Vallee
and the others as di Sierra (excuse my ignorance of Spanish). But that
would be a name tacked on in Spain, and in Spanish.

Some Hebrew words for valley are `Emeq and Sh'felah. I've never heard of
either of these used as a name, and even if there had been one by that name in
Judea at the time of the Roman exile, by the time he reached Spain and sought
to translate it, he'd probably not be living in the valley, anyway. I doubt
that seeking the Hebrew word for valley will lead you anywhere

A much better angle is "If my ancestors were called del Valle in Spanish, what
name might the Jewish branch have now. A few weeks ago I saw a posting on
line (or perhaps a personal communication) that showed that the name Weil,
very popular among Jews >from the Rhineland region >from the middle ages to this
day, is derived >from de Valle. I suggest you look at the Jewishgen database
and seek information there (or on the web), or consult a reference book of
Jewish last names, for the origin of the Weil name.

Your search therefore would not be "What were they before they became del
Valle," but "How have they changed their names in succeeding generations?"

Good hunting

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1860) also in Wurzburg,
also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SALOM del VALLE. in Hebrew #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 99-01-15 18:26:13 EST, Rene van Wijngaarden/ Netherlands
<106141.360@compuserve.com > writes:

I would like to ask you what could have been the Hebrew form of writing
our familyname : SALOM del VALLE.
he Del Valle part is Spanish and means ">from the valley " I would be very
much obliged to have both the Hebrew translation and transliteration of >this name.
==OK, we're on to some basic stuff here. I guess you're saying "What would
have been my ancestor's Hebrew family name before they translated it into
Spenish as Salom del Valle. Salom looks like the Hebrew Shalom which means
peace or wholeness and is a common first name. Most Jews were known until less
than two centuries ago by such a Jewish (most frequently Biblical) name to
which the father's name was added. So, Isaac Jacob would be the name of
Jacob's son, Isaac.

Since there were often a few Isaac Jacobs in a village, or because people
wanted to be able to refer to one specific family by a name that would
identify them, it is possible that one family was referred to as del Vallee
and the others as di Sierra (excuse my ignorance of Spanish). But that
would be a name tacked on in Spain, and in Spanish.

Some Hebrew words for valley are `Emeq and Sh'felah. I've never heard of
either of these used as a name, and even if there had been one by that name in
Judea at the time of the Roman exile, by the time he reached Spain and sought
to translate it, he'd probably not be living in the valley, anyway. I doubt
that seeking the Hebrew word for valley will lead you anywhere

A much better angle is "If my ancestors were called del Valle in Spanish, what
name might the Jewish branch have now. A few weeks ago I saw a posting on
line (or perhaps a personal communication) that showed that the name Weil,
very popular among Jews >from the Rhineland region >from the middle ages to this
day, is derived >from de Valle. I suggest you look at the Jewishgen database
and seek information there (or on the web), or consult a reference book of
Jewish last names, for the origin of the Weil name.

Your search therefore would not be "What were they before they became del
Valle," but "How have they changed their names in succeeding generations?"

Good hunting

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1860) also in Wurzburg,
also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam


Adoption and Genealogy #general

Ellen Sattler-Harpin <EHarpin@...>
 

I, too, am interested in how best to include the information on my
adopted children, along with my biological children, on my family tree.
Because we never lived in the towns in which my adopted children were
born, and they are of various racial backgrounds, this presents an
interesting dilemma. While "by love and by law" they are every bit as
much ours as are our biological children, the genetic links are not
there. They have been converted to, and reared in, Judaism, but how is
the best way to handle this in terms of a "family tree?"

Ellen in Winter Springs, Florida, USA
EHarpin@webtv.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Adoption and Genealogy #general

Ellen Sattler-Harpin <EHarpin@...>
 

I, too, am interested in how best to include the information on my
adopted children, along with my biological children, on my family tree.
Because we never lived in the towns in which my adopted children were
born, and they are of various racial backgrounds, this presents an
interesting dilemma. While "by love and by law" they are every bit as
much ours as are our biological children, the genetic links are not
there. They have been converted to, and reared in, Judaism, but how is
the best way to handle this in terms of a "family tree?"

Ellen in Winter Springs, Florida, USA
EHarpin@webtv.net


"And I Still See Their Faces" #general

Jane Lachs <Jane@...>
 

The Shalom Foundation started an action in 1994.
They asked for photos of Jewish life in Poland before the Schoa.
The expected a couple of hundred of photos and received nearly 8000 !
They showed some of them in Warsaw in 1995 and in Febuary they
can be seen in the Munich Townhall.

Regards >from Jane Lachs in Munich Jane@Henio.Muc.De

Researching SHAW, TINGLE, CRAWSHAW, FIRTH, BREARLEY, HAIGH,
BEAUMONT, CARR in Yorkshire.
LACHS in Stryhance Now Ukraine and anywhere else.
STERN in Berezany Now Ukraine
SILBERFELD in Potoczany Now Ukraine and anywhere else.


Haim Sidor wrote:

I recently purchased the book "And I Still See Their Faces : Images of
Polish Jews". It is a "Family Photo Album" of Polish Jewry. Many
family names are given as well as stories of the families or individuals
from the Holocaust Period. There are also (sadly) many pictures with no
names (but many times the towns are given).
SNIP
Does anyone know more about the SHALOM Foundation and does it do
research??


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "And I Still See Their Faces" #general

Jane Lachs <Jane@...>
 

The Shalom Foundation started an action in 1994.
They asked for photos of Jewish life in Poland before the Schoa.
The expected a couple of hundred of photos and received nearly 8000 !
They showed some of them in Warsaw in 1995 and in Febuary they
can be seen in the Munich Townhall.

Regards >from Jane Lachs in Munich Jane@Henio.Muc.De

Researching SHAW, TINGLE, CRAWSHAW, FIRTH, BREARLEY, HAIGH,
BEAUMONT, CARR in Yorkshire.
LACHS in Stryhance Now Ukraine and anywhere else.
STERN in Berezany Now Ukraine
SILBERFELD in Potoczany Now Ukraine and anywhere else.


Haim Sidor wrote:

I recently purchased the book "And I Still See Their Faces : Images of
Polish Jews". It is a "Family Photo Album" of Polish Jewry. Many
family names are given as well as stories of the families or individuals
from the Holocaust Period. There are also (sadly) many pictures with no
names (but many times the towns are given).
SNIP
Does anyone know more about the SHALOM Foundation and does it do
research??


Seeking KIRSNERS in Manchester #general

Joyce Peck <Joycekp@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners, Before I start writing letters and contacting the
Jewish Telegraph in Manchester, England, I thought I'd put this out to
everybody.

Recently I replayed an audio tape I made with my father, Irving (Itschok
Leyb or Isadore) about 20 years ago shortly before he died. On it he
talks about his father, Jacob Kirsner, who immigrated to NYC >from Dubno,
Russia. (Jacob was born in Ludz (?) or Letz (?).) Jacob Kirsner visited
his brother, Issac, in 1908, in Manchester, England. Issac had a son
Jack, who came to NY. Either Jack or Issac had a niece, Hannah. Jacob
and Issac had other siblings, at least one sister, in the U.S. but my
father didn't know their names. I'm not even sure of Issac's last name.
It could be Kirsner or anything else similar. Other family members have
told me we are connected to the Kasmirs in England and I have been in
touch with them, but so far I see no shared relative.

Does this ring a bell with anyone? If so, please contact me privately at
joycekp@webtv.net.

Joyced Peck
Connecticut
Searching: KIRSNER and FINESILVER >from Dubno; RUBIN (RUBENCHIK) and
GOLDSMITH (GOLDSHMID) >from Minsk and Molodechno.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking KIRSNERS in Manchester #general

Joyce Peck <Joycekp@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners, Before I start writing letters and contacting the
Jewish Telegraph in Manchester, England, I thought I'd put this out to
everybody.

Recently I replayed an audio tape I made with my father, Irving (Itschok
Leyb or Isadore) about 20 years ago shortly before he died. On it he
talks about his father, Jacob Kirsner, who immigrated to NYC >from Dubno,
Russia. (Jacob was born in Ludz (?) or Letz (?).) Jacob Kirsner visited
his brother, Issac, in 1908, in Manchester, England. Issac had a son
Jack, who came to NY. Either Jack or Issac had a niece, Hannah. Jacob
and Issac had other siblings, at least one sister, in the U.S. but my
father didn't know their names. I'm not even sure of Issac's last name.
It could be Kirsner or anything else similar. Other family members have
told me we are connected to the Kasmirs in England and I have been in
touch with them, but so far I see no shared relative.

Does this ring a bell with anyone? If so, please contact me privately at
joycekp@webtv.net.

Joyced Peck
Connecticut
Searching: KIRSNER and FINESILVER >from Dubno; RUBIN (RUBENCHIK) and
GOLDSMITH (GOLDSHMID) >from Minsk and Molodechno.


STUPEL #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

A male STUPEL left Grodno (11 Bonniefraterska St) for Israel in 1935.
He was married to a Rosa PASEVITCH (PACEWICZ). He would be our last
link with the family in the Old Country (now Belarus).
I can't read Hebrew. Could anyone kindly do a look up for the name
TUPEL when they're next on-line to an Israeli phone -directory-or have
access to an Israeli phone book.

I am happy to reciprocate with American look-ups. I am in Santa Monica.

Many thanks-Miriam Margolyes
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

Searching: SANDEMAN (South Africa & Liverpool, UK)
POSNER (Liverpool & London UK) =
PASEVITCH (PASS-PACE-)Glasgow, Oklahoma City
TURIANSKY (Glasgow, NYC)
MARGOLYES(Amdur,Glasgow, Montreal)
STUPEL (Grodno, Israel, USA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen STUPEL #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

A male STUPEL left Grodno (11 Bonniefraterska St) for Israel in 1935.
He was married to a Rosa PASEVITCH (PACEWICZ). He would be our last
link with the family in the Old Country (now Belarus).
I can't read Hebrew. Could anyone kindly do a look up for the name
TUPEL when they're next on-line to an Israeli phone -directory-or have
access to an Israeli phone book.

I am happy to reciprocate with American look-ups. I am in Santa Monica.

Many thanks-Miriam Margolyes
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

Searching: SANDEMAN (South Africa & Liverpool, UK)
POSNER (Liverpool & London UK) =
PASEVITCH (PASS-PACE-)Glasgow, Oklahoma City
TURIANSKY (Glasgow, NYC)
MARGOLYES(Amdur,Glasgow, Montreal)
STUPEL (Grodno, Israel, USA)


Strange given name #general

Guillermo Steinberg <guillo@...>
 

Hello dear people,

My great-grandmother gave birth to a boy during the trip that would have
brought her and his husband and other seven children to Buenos Aires in
1891. Shortly after their arrival this baby died, and was buried
somewhere in the village where they passed the first months. The only
ecord of his existence -apart >from family memories, which were very vague-,
is his name in the list of passengers of the ship. But the handwriting is
so indecipherable, that the only thing that comes out is a few letters in
the middle and a couple of hypothesis in the extremes. Here I go:
".ittma.." This is all I have. The first letter could be an "S" or an "L";
and the final two could be "ma" or "mi". So we have Littmame, Sittmame,
Littmami or Sittmami. Does anyone recognize any given name in these words?
I haven't seen the list personally, I just report what Paul Armony >from the
"Asociacion de Genealogia Judia de Argentina" sent me. Thank you again,
Guillermo Steinberg
Firenze, Italia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Strange given name #general

Guillermo Steinberg <guillo@...>
 

Hello dear people,

My great-grandmother gave birth to a boy during the trip that would have
brought her and his husband and other seven children to Buenos Aires in
1891. Shortly after their arrival this baby died, and was buried
somewhere in the village where they passed the first months. The only
ecord of his existence -apart >from family memories, which were very vague-,
is his name in the list of passengers of the ship. But the handwriting is
so indecipherable, that the only thing that comes out is a few letters in
the middle and a couple of hypothesis in the extremes. Here I go:
".ittma.." This is all I have. The first letter could be an "S" or an "L";
and the final two could be "ma" or "mi". So we have Littmame, Sittmame,
Littmami or Sittmami. Does anyone recognize any given name in these words?
I haven't seen the list personally, I just report what Paul Armony >from the
"Asociacion de Genealogia Judia de Argentina" sent me. Thank you again,
Guillermo Steinberg
Firenze, Italia


Re: ships #unitedkingdom

Ralph Berrick <rbofrb@...>
 

There is a book, "Ships of our Ancestors", by Michael Anuta, that has
pictures of steam and sailing ships, 19th and 20th centuries.
You can also write to the :
Steamship Historical Society
University of Baltimore Library
1420 Maryland Avenue
Baltimore, Md. 21201-5779
They have over 200,000 prints slides and negatives. Just give them the
name of the ship, and there is a charge of $16.00 for an 8x10, less for
smaller sizes, and more for 11x14.
Ralph Berrick
San Diego

gayle riley wrote:

Can someone recommed a couple of book in which I could find photos of
the passenger ships our families came to the US in..?
Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ships #general

Ralph Berrick <rbofrb@...>
 

There is a book, "Ships of our Ancestors", by Michael Anuta, that has
pictures of steam and sailing ships, 19th and 20th centuries.
You can also write to the :
Steamship Historical Society
University of Baltimore Library
1420 Maryland Avenue
Baltimore, Md. 21201-5779
They have over 200,000 prints slides and negatives. Just give them the
name of the ship, and there is a charge of $16.00 for an 8x10, less for
smaller sizes, and more for 11x14.
Ralph Berrick
San Diego

gayle riley wrote:

Can someone recommed a couple of book in which I could find photos of
the passenger ships our families came to the US in..?
Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca


e-mail address for Michael Ben-Gershon #general

Ada <adag@...>
 

Some time ago Michael Ben-Gershon posted a message re a list of Jewish
people who were killed in pogroms in the Ukraine, listed by city. If
anyone has an up-to-date e-mail address for him, please advise. The
one on the last posting by him was no longer in effect.

Thank you.

Ada Glustein
adag@alumni.ubc.ca

Searching:
GLUSTEIN - Uman, Kameny Krinitsa, Kamenetz
Podolsk, Kaminew


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen e-mail address for Michael Ben-Gershon #general

Ada <adag@...>
 

Some time ago Michael Ben-Gershon posted a message re a list of Jewish
people who were killed in pogroms in the Ukraine, listed by city. If
anyone has an up-to-date e-mail address for him, please advise. The
one on the last posting by him was no longer in effect.

Thank you.

Ada Glustein
adag@alumni.ubc.ca

Searching:
GLUSTEIN - Uman, Kameny Krinitsa, Kamenetz
Podolsk, Kaminew


Finkelstein + Kaplan #general

Claude & Sally Janin <snjanin@...>
 

I am looking for information regarding the following family members (please
note that I live on a small island in the Caribbean; there is no FHC where
I live or anywhere nearby; no one in my family seems to know what happened
to these individuals; internet searches and SSDI searches have turned up
either many people with these names or nothing; I also have checked the
FTJP and JGFF):

Sadie FINKELSTEIN b. 1880s? married Harry KAPLAN
(whether they were born and married overseas or in the United States is not
known)

They had 5 children (whether the 5 children were born in the United States
or overseas is not known, but they should all be in the United States now)

Jeanette KAPLAN m. Irving STONE; one daughter
Beatrice KAPLAN m. ????
Lilly KAPLAN m. Alfred GOLDMAN (may be a doctor); one daughter
William KAPLAN m. ????; one daughter
Fred KAPLAN m. ????

Please contact me privately if you have any information about these
individuals. Thank you very much.

Sally Janin
snjanin@anguillanet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finkelstein + Kaplan #general

Claude & Sally Janin <snjanin@...>
 

I am looking for information regarding the following family members (please
note that I live on a small island in the Caribbean; there is no FHC where
I live or anywhere nearby; no one in my family seems to know what happened
to these individuals; internet searches and SSDI searches have turned up
either many people with these names or nothing; I also have checked the
FTJP and JGFF):

Sadie FINKELSTEIN b. 1880s? married Harry KAPLAN
(whether they were born and married overseas or in the United States is not
known)

They had 5 children (whether the 5 children were born in the United States
or overseas is not known, but they should all be in the United States now)

Jeanette KAPLAN m. Irving STONE; one daughter
Beatrice KAPLAN m. ????
Lilly KAPLAN m. Alfred GOLDMAN (may be a doctor); one daughter
William KAPLAN m. ????; one daughter
Fred KAPLAN m. ????

Please contact me privately if you have any information about these
individuals. Thank you very much.

Sally Janin
snjanin@anguillanet.com


Re: Ships #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

There are a few books that have photos and descriptions of the ships
that carried passengers to the U.S.
**Passenger ships of the World , Past & Present by Eugene W. Smith
**Trans-Atlantic Passenger Ships, Past And Present by Eugene W. Smith
**Ships of our Ancestors by Michael J. Anuta

I was able to get access to these via the local library or inter-library
loan.

Also if you search the Web for something like "immigration and ships"
you will find many sources for photos. Some of the web pages of the
larger ship companies also have information and photos of the ships
that carried immigrants.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO

Vivian Kahn wrote :

Gayle Riley wrote:

Can someone recommed a couple of book in which I could find photos
of the passenger ships our families came to the US in..?
I found pictures of the Furnessia and the Saxonia, the ships on which
my grandmother and father arrived at Ellis Island, among photos >from
the >Detroit Publishing company that are available at the Library of
Congress website. This is a wonderful collection of photos including
views of early 20th century life and cities throughout the country.
SNIP


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ships #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

There are a few books that have photos and descriptions of the ships
that carried passengers to the U.S.
**Passenger ships of the World , Past & Present by Eugene W. Smith
**Trans-Atlantic Passenger Ships, Past And Present by Eugene W. Smith
**Ships of our Ancestors by Michael J. Anuta

I was able to get access to these via the local library or inter-library
loan.

Also if you search the Web for something like "immigration and ships"
you will find many sources for photos. Some of the web pages of the
larger ship companies also have information and photos of the ships
that carried immigrants.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO

Vivian Kahn wrote :

Gayle Riley wrote:

Can someone recommed a couple of book in which I could find photos
of the passenger ships our families came to the US in..?
I found pictures of the Furnessia and the Saxonia, the ships on which
my grandmother and father arrived at Ellis Island, among photos >from
the >Detroit Publishing company that are available at the Library of
Congress website. This is a wonderful collection of photos including
views of early 20th century life and cities throughout the country.
SNIP