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Re: Is Kindred Konnections mining our family trees? #latvia

proprius@...
 

The letter >from Prof. G. L. Esterson is a good warning. One must really
consider what will happen to any material posted on the web. At the risk of
sounding paranoid, I must say that I live in an area with few, if any, Jews
and I know there are many people who are still anti-Semitic. I don't want to
disseminate anything concerning my family that could hurt them if it falls
into unfriendly hands.
Cynthia Spikell


Prof. G. L. Esterson wrote:

Dick Eastman has just reported the following about Kindred Konnections:

-------------------
"Kindred Konnections has had an online Web site for some time now.
They have been best known for their database of relationships,
much of which was created >from GEDCOM files submitted to them.
Their database presently contains more than 24 million names and
is available on a subscription basis. The folks at Kindred
Konnections haven't been idle, however. At GENTECH99 they
introduced several new services.

Kindred Konnections says that they are now indexing all the
genealogy-related Web pages on the Internet. The server at Kindred
Konnections looks for other Web pages that contain GEDCOM files,
text files in certain formats, plus several other file formats. Their Web
pages report that 2,652,450 names >from other pedigree-linked Internet
sites have been indexed, and that number is growing daily.

With the new software on Kindred Konnections' server, you can
upload a GEDCOM file, which will automatically be compared to the
24 million names in the internal database as well as compared
against several million more names on other Internet sites. You
will then be notified of all the possible matches."
---------------

Their indexing of genealogy-related web pages having GEDCOM
or other types of genealogy data files on them means that they
are using a spider to extract these family trees >from the web
sites of family genealogists without asking permission, and they
are then entering these data into their large data base without
the knowledge of the genealogists who did the original research
to develop the trees.

I personally consider this activity to be a form of piracy. I also
believe that all genealogists who are considering publishing their
trees on the web in the form of GEDCOM, text files (e.g.,
descendant lists), or other similar formats should think seriously
about whether they would want KK to extract their data without
their knowledge.
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Is Kindred Konnections mining our family trees? #lithuania

proprius@...
 

The letter >from Prof. G. L. Esterson is a good warning. One must really
consider what will happen to any material posted on the web. At the risk of
sounding paranoid, I must say that I live in an area with few, if any, Jews
and I know there are many people who are still anti-Semitic. I don't want to
disseminate anything concerning my family that could hurt them if it falls
into unfriendly hands.
Cynthia Spikell


Prof. G. L. Esterson wrote:

Dick Eastman has just reported the following about Kindred Konnections:

-------------------
"Kindred Konnections has had an online Web site for some time now.
They have been best known for their database of relationships,
much of which was created >from GEDCOM files submitted to them.
Their database presently contains more than 24 million names and
is available on a subscription basis. The folks at Kindred
Konnections haven't been idle, however. At GENTECH99 they
introduced several new services.

Kindred Konnections says that they are now indexing all the
genealogy-related Web pages on the Internet. The server at Kindred
Konnections looks for other Web pages that contain GEDCOM files,
text files in certain formats, plus several other file formats. Their Web
pages report that 2,652,450 names >from other pedigree-linked Internet
sites have been indexed, and that number is growing daily.

With the new software on Kindred Konnections' server, you can
upload a GEDCOM file, which will automatically be compared to the
24 million names in the internal database as well as compared
against several million more names on other Internet sites. You
will then be notified of all the possible matches."
---------------

Their indexing of genealogy-related web pages having GEDCOM
or other types of genealogy data files on them means that they
are using a spider to extract these family trees >from the web
sites of family genealogists without asking permission, and they
are then entering these data into their large data base without
the knowledge of the genealogists who did the original research
to develop the trees.

I personally consider this activity to be a form of piracy. I also
believe that all genealogists who are considering publishing their
trees on the web in the form of GEDCOM, text files (e.g.,
descendant lists), or other similar formats should think seriously
about whether they would want KK to extract their data without
their knowledge.
SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Testimony by Dr. Tsharniak of shtetl Horodetz #general

Gene and Ellen Sucov <genellen@...>
 

I have located and begun to translate the testimony of Dr. Tsharniak from
the the shtetl of Horodetz, Kobrin district, Grodno gubernia. He mentions
25 Jews, 3 Poles and 2 Belarussians in his testimony. He also mention the
following places: Brzesc, Pinsk, Horodetz, Drohiczyn, Kobryn, Gruszowa,
Janow and Barania Gora.
I have translated the short biography of Dr. Tsharniak.
If there is any interest in receiving this biography please contact me
privately by email.
Gene Sucov
Searching:
SUCHOWCZYCKI >from Horodetz (Kobrin district), Bialystok, Brest, Pruzhany
ERINGER >from Bialystok; SHLAFMITZ >from Zarebi-Koscielne, Malkinia;
LITEWKA >from Zarebi-Koscielne; LIST >from Malkinia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Testimony by Dr. Tsharniak of shtetl Horodetz #general

Gene and Ellen Sucov <genellen@...>
 

I have located and begun to translate the testimony of Dr. Tsharniak from
the the shtetl of Horodetz, Kobrin district, Grodno gubernia. He mentions
25 Jews, 3 Poles and 2 Belarussians in his testimony. He also mention the
following places: Brzesc, Pinsk, Horodetz, Drohiczyn, Kobryn, Gruszowa,
Janow and Barania Gora.
I have translated the short biography of Dr. Tsharniak.
If there is any interest in receiving this biography please contact me
privately by email.
Gene Sucov
Searching:
SUCHOWCZYCKI >from Horodetz (Kobrin district), Bialystok, Brest, Pruzhany
ERINGER >from Bialystok; SHLAFMITZ >from Zarebi-Koscielne, Malkinia;
LITEWKA >from Zarebi-Koscielne; LIST >from Malkinia.


Forename Isser #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

I have come across a man whose forename is Isser. Is this a variation of
Israel (Yisrael) or Isaac (Yitshak)?
I haven't seen it before.

Harold Pollins

pollins@globalnet.co.uk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Forename Isser #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

I have come across a man whose forename is Isser. Is this a variation of
Israel (Yisrael) or Isaac (Yitshak)?
I haven't seen it before.

Harold Pollins

pollins@globalnet.co.uk


please help with dating a photo #general

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

I have a photo of my great-grandparents and three of their children taken
in Bukovina and I am trying to get an idea of approximately when it would
have been taken (the decade would do). The girls are wearing knee length
dresses. One is a short sleeved V-neck, the other long sleeved with a boat
neck and a rose pattern at the neck and hem. They both have ear-length bobs
parted on the side. The boy, who looks about 12 or 13, has a white shirt
with a very thin collar, a short single breasted jacket with thin lapels
and trousers that are either very short or are tucked into his ankle boots.
He also has a very short crew cut. I saw a photo in Theo Richmond's book
Konin of his family in Europe and a boy of a similar age had the same
haircut, so I would guess it must have been the fashion at one time. The
parents are dressed as traditional pious Jews (long black skirt/head scarf;
beard/black suit/yarmulke).

Thanks.

Madelyn Travis
travis@travis33.demon.co.uk


Tranlations #poland

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am seeking the translation for four Polish words indicating
professions:

naucz.

kamaszn.

zarz fabr.

kup.

Can you help?

Daniel Kazez / Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Ohio
kazez@wittenberg.edu-----http://www.cello.org/cnc/jewish.htm

researching:
Ashkenazic--OBERMAN, TALMAN, ENGLANDER, LISS, KEIFER
Sephardic--KAZEZ, ALHADEFF, FRESKO


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen please help with dating a photo #general

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

I have a photo of my great-grandparents and three of their children taken
in Bukovina and I am trying to get an idea of approximately when it would
have been taken (the decade would do). The girls are wearing knee length
dresses. One is a short sleeved V-neck, the other long sleeved with a boat
neck and a rose pattern at the neck and hem. They both have ear-length bobs
parted on the side. The boy, who looks about 12 or 13, has a white shirt
with a very thin collar, a short single breasted jacket with thin lapels
and trousers that are either very short or are tucked into his ankle boots.
He also has a very short crew cut. I saw a photo in Theo Richmond's book
Konin of his family in Europe and a boy of a similar age had the same
haircut, so I would guess it must have been the fashion at one time. The
parents are dressed as traditional pious Jews (long black skirt/head scarf;
beard/black suit/yarmulke).

Thanks.

Madelyn Travis
travis@travis33.demon.co.uk


JRI Poland #Poland Tranlations #poland

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I am seeking the translation for four Polish words indicating
professions:

naucz.

kamaszn.

zarz fabr.

kup.

Can you help?

Daniel Kazez / Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Ohio
kazez@wittenberg.edu-----http://www.cello.org/cnc/jewish.htm

researching:
Ashkenazic--OBERMAN, TALMAN, ENGLANDER, LISS, KEIFER
Sephardic--KAZEZ, ALHADEFF, FRESKO


Former last name help (naturalization records pre-Sept. 1906) #general

Samuel Brown <brown@...>
 

My great grandfather, Joseph Brown, was >from Pavoloch, Ukraine. He arrived
at Ellis Island in 1888 with a small family. He submitted his Petition for
Naturalization in May, 1902 and received his Certificate of Citizenship in
the Eastern New York District (Manhattan) on January 30, 1906. My goal is
to find out what his last name was before he changed it to Brown--the
previous surname does not appear on either document (naturalization records
filed before September 1906 usually don’t include an applicant’s former
name.)

I have gone through the passenger lists >from the time period of his arrival
but a family group with his first name and the first names of his wife and
three children was not listed. Neither have I had luck with the 1900
U.S.Census--he lists his name as Brown there (and as you may know the
records for the 1890 U.S. Census were burned.)

Any leads on where I could look to find out his former last name would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Regards,

Samuel Brown


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Former last name help (naturalization records pre-Sept. 1906) #general

Samuel Brown <brown@...>
 

My great grandfather, Joseph Brown, was >from Pavoloch, Ukraine. He arrived
at Ellis Island in 1888 with a small family. He submitted his Petition for
Naturalization in May, 1902 and received his Certificate of Citizenship in
the Eastern New York District (Manhattan) on January 30, 1906. My goal is
to find out what his last name was before he changed it to Brown--the
previous surname does not appear on either document (naturalization records
filed before September 1906 usually don’t include an applicant’s former
name.)

I have gone through the passenger lists >from the time period of his arrival
but a family group with his first name and the first names of his wife and
three children was not listed. Neither have I had luck with the 1900
U.S.Census--he lists his name as Brown there (and as you may know the
records for the 1890 U.S. Census were burned.)

Any leads on where I could look to find out his former last name would be
appreciated. Thanks.

Regards,

Samuel Brown


Helping friends into the country??? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any experience with "mystery" family members on ship's
passenger lists?

I have found a passenger list for my ggm and she is listed with her
children and then below is another woman listed as her sister. I have
asked every family member and no one knows this mystery sister. I checked
the census and I checked the marriage certificates. No woman listed by the
name of the mystery sister.

I am trying to figure out an explanation for this woman. I know it is
possible she died, moved away, etc. but someone suggested that my ggm might
have been helping a freind >from her town into the country and said she was
her sister for immigration reasons. The year was 1906 so there was no
quota but still I think single woman was an issue when she came to the
United States -- (U.S.A. I think wanted people to have some place/person to
go to so that they were not putting woman on to the streets.) So my ggm
could say she and her "sister" and the children were all going to my ggf
who was already here and get this person into the country?

Does this make sense and more importantly is it a possible explanation to
the mystery woman?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Helping friends into the country??? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any experience with "mystery" family members on ship's
passenger lists?

I have found a passenger list for my ggm and she is listed with her
children and then below is another woman listed as her sister. I have
asked every family member and no one knows this mystery sister. I checked
the census and I checked the marriage certificates. No woman listed by the
name of the mystery sister.

I am trying to figure out an explanation for this woman. I know it is
possible she died, moved away, etc. but someone suggested that my ggm might
have been helping a freind >from her town into the country and said she was
her sister for immigration reasons. The year was 1906 so there was no
quota but still I think single woman was an issue when she came to the
United States -- (U.S.A. I think wanted people to have some place/person to
go to so that they were not putting woman on to the streets.) So my ggm
could say she and her "sister" and the children were all going to my ggf
who was already here and get this person into the country?

Does this make sense and more importantly is it a possible explanation to
the mystery woman?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan

aejordan@aol.com


maiden names #general

molly gordy <mgordy@...>
 

I've just been told that all marriage licenses in my grandfather's native
village were destroyed, so I can't get my great-grandmother's maiden name
from the Ukranian archives. Can someone tell me, would my immigrant
grandfather have listed his mom's maiden name on his application for Social
Security, his request for U.S. citizenship, or any other American document
that might be available to me?
Thanks.

Molly Gordy, NYC
Searching for: GORODETSKY (Zhitomir, Novograd-Volinsky, Sverdlosk) and
HORODETSKY (Malin, Tel Aviv).


surname ending #general

Toni Valenstein <tovaknits@...>
 

from what I've learned, when the Jews of Poland took on surnames, some
were named for the area they came >from (for ex. sky). My surname
(VALENSTEIN) ends with "stein" or >from what I have learned was
originally "sztejn". I've been told that this means stone. Is there
another meaning? Why would so many people take on the name "stone"?

Researching: VALENSTEIN/WALLENSTEIN

Toni Valenstein
tovaknits@erols.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen maiden names #general

molly gordy <mgordy@...>
 

I've just been told that all marriage licenses in my grandfather's native
village were destroyed, so I can't get my great-grandmother's maiden name
from the Ukranian archives. Can someone tell me, would my immigrant
grandfather have listed his mom's maiden name on his application for Social
Security, his request for U.S. citizenship, or any other American document
that might be available to me?
Thanks.

Molly Gordy, NYC
Searching for: GORODETSKY (Zhitomir, Novograd-Volinsky, Sverdlosk) and
HORODETSKY (Malin, Tel Aviv).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surname ending #general

Toni Valenstein <tovaknits@...>
 

from what I've learned, when the Jews of Poland took on surnames, some
were named for the area they came >from (for ex. sky). My surname
(VALENSTEIN) ends with "stein" or >from what I have learned was
originally "sztejn". I've been told that this means stone. Is there
another meaning? Why would so many people take on the name "stone"?

Researching: VALENSTEIN/WALLENSTEIN

Toni Valenstein
tovaknits@erols.com


Munchen (Munich) Research #general

ESES@...
 

I have a lead that will take me to Munchen, Germany. Any hints to get me
started?
Would also like to research nobility probibly minor nobility >from that area
around the mid 1800's.
Thanks
Errol Schneegurt eses@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Munchen (Munich) Research #general

ESES@...
 

I have a lead that will take me to Munchen, Germany. Any hints to get me
started?
Would also like to research nobility probibly minor nobility >from that area
around the mid 1800's.
Thanks
Errol Schneegurt eses@aol.com