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Re: Name and Canada Information #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

Len Pincus <lennyp@...> wrote:

A Canadian friend remembered that his mother came in through Halifax NS in
about 1912. How would I find the manifest? I know how to find US ship data
but not Canadian data.
See the JewishGen FAQ ("Frequently Asked Questions") document:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>, section #10 on
"Passenger Lists", which will refer you to the National Archives
of Canada web site.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@...>
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name and Canada Information #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

Len Pincus <lennyp@...> wrote:

A Canadian friend remembered that his mother came in through Halifax NS in
about 1912. How would I find the manifest? I know how to find US ship data
but not Canadian data.
See the JewishGen FAQ ("Frequently Asked Questions") document:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>, section #10 on
"Passenger Lists", which will refer you to the National Archives
of Canada web site.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@...>
Re : Cantor Training in France #general

Alkrams@...
 

Scott Noar wrote:

Is anyone aware of what schools would have existed in France in the
1800's for training cantors?
About Rabbinate and Consistory in France, I suggest you to read Phyllis
Cohen Albert "The Modernization of French Jewry: Consistory and Community
in the Nineteenth Century", Brandeiss Univ. Press, 1977, especially p.
277-282 about "Ministres officiants". Except in Bordeaux where a special
course for Cantors of Portuguese ritual was created in 1852, there was no
special training for cantors before 1900. They were often blamed for there
tendency to improvise the melodies. Before 1842, no special qualification
was required. In 1843, the Central Consistory specified that they must be
25 years old, of French nationality, and fluent in French and Hebrew. An
ordonnance of May 25 1844 required them to have a certificate >from the
district grand rabbi that they had the required religious knowledge. In
1847, Adolphe Cremieux proposed to replace "Ministres officiants" by
"sous-rabbins" to be trained in rabbinic schools.

But nothing was done yet.Concerning the School of Bordeaux no records of
the enrollment have survived.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re : Cantor Training in France #general

Alkrams@...
 

Scott Noar wrote:

Is anyone aware of what schools would have existed in France in the
1800's for training cantors?
About Rabbinate and Consistory in France, I suggest you to read Phyllis
Cohen Albert "The Modernization of French Jewry: Consistory and Community
in the Nineteenth Century", Brandeiss Univ. Press, 1977, especially p.
277-282 about "Ministres officiants". Except in Bordeaux where a special
course for Cantors of Portuguese ritual was created in 1852, there was no
special training for cantors before 1900. They were often blamed for there
tendency to improvise the melodies. Before 1842, no special qualification
was required. In 1843, the Central Consistory specified that they must be
25 years old, of French nationality, and fluent in French and Hebrew. An
ordonnance of May 25 1844 required them to have a certificate >from the
district grand rabbi that they had the required religious knowledge. In
1847, Adolphe Cremieux proposed to replace "Ministres officiants" by
"sous-rabbins" to be trained in rabbinic schools.

But nothing was done yet.Concerning the School of Bordeaux no records of
the enrollment have survived.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
Cercle de Genealogie Juive
Re: Name decree of 1787. #hungary

Blrosen@...
 

Thanks to Gyorgy Ujaki for his translation of the Name decree of 1787.

I am not sure about one thing. ".....each and every person, without exception
are obliged to take a GERMAN surname......." My maternal family name is
FARKAS which is surely Hungarian -- not German. Were some Hungarians allowed
to keep their Hungarian names? Did they possibly slip through the cracks?

My other maternal family name is KUNTSLER which sounds German. They probably
took this name at the time of the Name decree.

Thanks for any information.

Betty Rosen (Blrosen@...)
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Name decree of 1787. #hungary

Blrosen@...
 

Thanks to Gyorgy Ujaki for his translation of the Name decree of 1787.

I am not sure about one thing. ".....each and every person, without exception
are obliged to take a GERMAN surname......." My maternal family name is
FARKAS which is surely Hungarian -- not German. Were some Hungarians allowed
to keep their Hungarian names? Did they possibly slip through the cracks?

My other maternal family name is KUNTSLER which sounds German. They probably
took this name at the time of the Name decree.

Thanks for any information.

Betty Rosen (Blrosen@...)
Re: different eye color on declaration of intention #general

Fran Stark <franstark@...>
 

I would like to thank all who responded to my question about the two
declaration of intentions. I haven't figured everything out yet, but I
am 100% sure that it is the same person, even though he did manage to
shave 5 years off his age on the second petition. I know that my
great-grandfather left Russia in 1889 and went to France were he lived
until he came to the U.S. in 1902. I cannot attest to his level of
English in 1907 when the first petition was filled out, but I do know
that it wasn't filled out in his own handwriting. The 3 sons who filed
petitions on there own all claimed brown as color of eyes, so I'm going
to guess he had brown eyes and leave it at that.

Thank you again.
Fran Stark
West Bloomfield, Michigan

MODERATOR NOTE: This thread is now closed.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: different eye color on declaration of intention #general

Fran Stark <franstark@...>
 

I would like to thank all who responded to my question about the two
declaration of intentions. I haven't figured everything out yet, but I
am 100% sure that it is the same person, even though he did manage to
shave 5 years off his age on the second petition. I know that my
great-grandfather left Russia in 1889 and went to France were he lived
until he came to the U.S. in 1902. I cannot attest to his level of
English in 1907 when the first petition was filled out, but I do know
that it wasn't filled out in his own handwriting. The 3 sons who filed
petitions on there own all claimed brown as color of eyes, so I'm going
to guess he had brown eyes and leave it at that.

Thank you again.
Fran Stark
West Bloomfield, Michigan

MODERATOR NOTE: This thread is now closed.
Required: Translator of Yiddish Letters #general

Harry & Ida Hurwitz <hhurwitz@...>
 

I have a bundle of handwritten letters (about 160 pages) in Yiddish,
written by my gfather >from 1928 to 1931. He was Lithuanian-born, but
lived in Libau for the last about 30 years of his life.

I need a professional to translate these into English, either typed or
tape recorded, preferably one living near my home address. Please reply
to me privately.

Harry and Ida Hurwitz
Rehovot, Israel
<hhurwitz@...>
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Required: Translator of Yiddish Letters #general

Harry & Ida Hurwitz <hhurwitz@...>
 

I have a bundle of handwritten letters (about 160 pages) in Yiddish,
written by my gfather >from 1928 to 1931. He was Lithuanian-born, but
lived in Libau for the last about 30 years of his life.

I need a professional to translate these into English, either typed or
tape recorded, preferably one living near my home address. Please reply
to me privately.

Harry and Ida Hurwitz
Rehovot, Israel
<hhurwitz@...>
Edward Robinson #general

Toni Valenstein <tovaknits@...>
 

Two several different family members have mentioned that Edward ROBINSON
(the old time actor) was a cousin of ours. Nobody know how he was
related?

Does anyone know if the was a geneology study done on this actor?

searching: WALLENSTEIN/VALENSTEIN (Suwalki, Rajgrad)

Toni Valenstein
tovaknits@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Edward Robinson #general

Toni Valenstein <tovaknits@...>
 

Two several different family members have mentioned that Edward ROBINSON
(the old time actor) was a cousin of ours. Nobody know how he was
related?

Does anyone know if the was a geneology study done on this actor?

searching: WALLENSTEIN/VALENSTEIN (Suwalki, Rajgrad)

Toni Valenstein
tovaknits@...
Re: re Steamship Arrival Dates #general

Howard M. Rensin <hrensin@...>
 

If your INS information came >from Naturalization papers, its
probably very accurate. Applicants for naturalization had to get
a certification >from the Dept. of Labor as to the name of the
ship and date they arrived. The Dept. used to go to the ships
records and get the information >from the passenger manifest.
Often the Dept. employee would write the Dept. of Labor
certificate number near the name of the person who they were
certifying and on the actual passenger list. Its not uncommon to
see these notations all through the ships records and over a long
period of time.

If you are working off that kind of record, then someone else
has already done some of your work before you and you should go
with that information.
Howard

Howard M. Rensin, (Ham Radio Call Sign: KC3D)
Glenwood, MD
[mailto:hrensin@...]
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO


Carol Skydell wrote:


Cindy asks:

.... does anyone know which would be more accurate, the INS index cards or
Cimorelli?

Cimorelli uses Morton Allan Directory of European Passenger Ship Arrivals
to create it's database. Morton Allan is known to be off in some cases,
and by as much as a week. Go with what the INS provided, it's probably a
safer bet.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: re Steamship Arrival Dates #general

Howard M. Rensin <hrensin@...>
 

If your INS information came >from Naturalization papers, its
probably very accurate. Applicants for naturalization had to get
a certification >from the Dept. of Labor as to the name of the
ship and date they arrived. The Dept. used to go to the ships
records and get the information >from the passenger manifest.
Often the Dept. employee would write the Dept. of Labor
certificate number near the name of the person who they were
certifying and on the actual passenger list. Its not uncommon to
see these notations all through the ships records and over a long
period of time.

If you are working off that kind of record, then someone else
has already done some of your work before you and you should go
with that information.
Howard

Howard M. Rensin, (Ham Radio Call Sign: KC3D)
Glenwood, MD
[mailto:hrensin@...]
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO


Carol Skydell wrote:


Cindy asks:

.... does anyone know which would be more accurate, the INS index cards or
Cimorelli?

Cimorelli uses Morton Allan Directory of European Passenger Ship Arrivals
to create it's database. Morton Allan is known to be off in some cases,
and by as much as a week. Go with what the INS provided, it's probably a
safer bet.
Jewish resources in Grimsby, UK #general

Erik Hirschfeld <e.hirschfeld@...>
 

Does anybody know if there are any resources in Grismby, UK to look for an
immigrant, probably in transit, on his way >from Sweden to NY in December
1902?
TIA.

Erik Hirschfeld, Malmo, Sweden
e.hirschfeld@...

Researching: BLOCK (Raciborz), BOSS (Zuelz, Breslau), DAUW, DEICHES,
FEITELBERG, HIRSCHFELD (Galicia and Silesia), KORITZINSKY, OLSHANSKY ,
OLSHANER, RIESENFELD. Looking for relatives of: female EHRLICH b. c. 1900,
Breslau and BETTY ASCHLAWSKY, housekeeper Breslau.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish resources in Grimsby, UK #general

Erik Hirschfeld <e.hirschfeld@...>
 

Does anybody know if there are any resources in Grismby, UK to look for an
immigrant, probably in transit, on his way >from Sweden to NY in December
1902?
TIA.

Erik Hirschfeld, Malmo, Sweden
e.hirschfeld@...

Researching: BLOCK (Raciborz), BOSS (Zuelz, Breslau), DAUW, DEICHES,
FEITELBERG, HIRSCHFELD (Galicia and Silesia), KORITZINSKY, OLSHANSKY ,
OLSHANER, RIESENFELD. Looking for relatives of: female EHRLICH b. c. 1900,
Breslau and BETTY ASCHLAWSKY, housekeeper Breslau.
First steps in getting started in Jewish genealogy #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

Dee Lentcher,

The first thing you should do is try to identify people to talk with
... old neighbors, distant relations, etc. If you haven't yet, get a
copy of Arthur Kurzweil's >from Generation to Generation, either edition,
and read it to get a very good understanding of how to proceed. Remember
" people first then records", but you may need to find some records to
find the people or their descendants. In the interest of time make sure
you have the easy-to-find paperwork: birth, death, marriage and maybe
some school records. Think about all the times people interact with
entities (government, religious, medical, legal ....) and leave paper
trails and then start chasing the paper trails. The Kurzweil book will
give you the "feel" of how these searches go and what / where some of the
resources are. JewishGen FAQ and infofiles may help you as well to get
yourself oriented. Also, if there is a Jewish genealogy society near you
the society may offer beginner's workshops. Good luck!
Jonina Duker
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen First steps in getting started in Jewish genealogy #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

Dee Lentcher,

The first thing you should do is try to identify people to talk with
... old neighbors, distant relations, etc. If you haven't yet, get a
copy of Arthur Kurzweil's >from Generation to Generation, either edition,
and read it to get a very good understanding of how to proceed. Remember
" people first then records", but you may need to find some records to
find the people or their descendants. In the interest of time make sure
you have the easy-to-find paperwork: birth, death, marriage and maybe
some school records. Think about all the times people interact with
entities (government, religious, medical, legal ....) and leave paper
trails and then start chasing the paper trails. The Kurzweil book will
give you the "feel" of how these searches go and what / where some of the
resources are. JewishGen FAQ and infofiles may help you as well to get
yourself oriented. Also, if there is a Jewish genealogy society near you
the society may offer beginner's workshops. Good luck!
Jonina Duker
"Gothic Yiddish" in Polish records. #general

Allan Tymczuk <tymczuk@...>
 

I have been helping someone with the translation of Polish documents.
In one of those documents I could not ascribe a direct representation of
a proper name. I came up with 6 'possibles.' Because of this, I
transmitted a scan of the portion of the document that had the names to
an acquaintance in Poland, hoping that he would be able to correctly
discern what the names were (the names were identical except for the
'case' changes required by the language). He was baffled and sent my
scan on to a friend who is familiar with Jewish documents of the
period. The friend replied that the names were written in 'Gothic
Yiddish', transcribed them and sent some examples of how the two (M & B)
letters would appear.

Is there someone in this newsgroup who could send me scans of the
various letters which would appear in 'Gothic Yiddish" and how they
would appear in handwritten documents. Please reply privately to:
mailto:tymczuk@...

Thank you.
Allan Tymczuk
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Gothic Yiddish" in Polish records. #general

Allan Tymczuk <tymczuk@...>
 

I have been helping someone with the translation of Polish documents.
In one of those documents I could not ascribe a direct representation of
a proper name. I came up with 6 'possibles.' Because of this, I
transmitted a scan of the portion of the document that had the names to
an acquaintance in Poland, hoping that he would be able to correctly
discern what the names were (the names were identical except for the
'case' changes required by the language). He was baffled and sent my
scan on to a friend who is familiar with Jewish documents of the
period. The friend replied that the names were written in 'Gothic
Yiddish', transcribed them and sent some examples of how the two (M & B)
letters would appear.

Is there someone in this newsgroup who could send me scans of the
various letters which would appear in 'Gothic Yiddish" and how they
would appear in handwritten documents. Please reply privately to:
mailto:tymczuk@...

Thank you.
Allan Tymczuk
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