Date   
SOBOTA/KARP

Sheldon Dan
 

I am trying to find more information about the descendants of a sister of my great-great-grandfather, Yussel SOBOTA (1830-1911).  He had a brother, Moshe SOBOTA (died 1882), whose descendants adopted the name GOLDSTEIN, and a sister, Laya SOBOTA.

Laya married Isadore (Isaac) KARP, who was born in 1825 in Pultusk, the same town as the Sobotas.  Their children were Mordecai Hirsch (born 1843), Arya Labe (Louis) (1843-1918), Mindle (1850-1937), Jacob (1853-1913), Abraham (1863-1950), Sarah Rachel (1869-1949), Aaron David, Esther, Malka, and Shera.

I think that some of this branch of the family were in touch with my branch (Yussel was the father of my great-grandmother Zipora Annie Sobota BERGER and the grandfather of my grandmother Mollie Berger DAN.

I would be interested in communicating with the descendants of the Karp family in order to learn about their ancestors.  Please get in touch with me if you are interested.
--
Sheldon Dan
sheldan1955@...

Litvak Memorial Garden near Plateliai - Visit by the President of Lithuania

Eli Rabinowitz
 

Re: Alex Krakovsky Ukraine postings - Alphabetical Listing of Surnames #Ukraine

Mark Jacobson
 

Hi Gary,

Boris is a professional researcher in Kiev. He created these surname lists for the Jewish Roots Forum, a Jewish Russian language genealogy message board. They are very useful, especially when searching uncommon surnames, to narrow down search towns.

Mark Jacobson
Past President, JGSPBCI
Gesher Galicia Board member
JRI-Poland Town Leader Boryslaw and Drohobycz
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Tripolye/Vasilkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk/Lepel, Belarus; KOBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN/KAMMERMANN, WEGNER - Drohobycz, Galicia;
KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 05:50:05 PM EST, Gary Pokrassa via Groups.Jewishgen.Org <pokrassa=aol.com@...> wrote:


Many archive wiki pages posted by Alex Krakovsky also have an entry that looks something like this:
 
An alphabetical index of Jewish names. Written by Boris Finkelstein. 
 
It may appear above the main file listings or in the upper right corner as a separate box 
 
Apparently Boris has created a list for many revision lists of the family surnames included in the attached revision list which is downloadable in a pdf file.
 
It is NOT an index (since it does not have references to actual record numbers) but it is a helpful clue that tells you whether or not a particular surname of interest in included in that revision list
 
It is published in Cyrillic.  However this can easily be translated into English using the Steve Morse webpage at this url:  https://stevemorse.org/russian/r2ebatch.html
 
I have been informed that unfortunately there is currently no place to upload this type of list into the main JG database and that the appropriate place is on a Kehilalink.
 
 

Gary Pokrassa
gpokrassa@...
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Group
JewishGen.org
 

I can't find a Reply To under this message, Need to contact Hannah SPERBER, have important info to share

Jeffrey Knisbacher
 

Please help. I don't see any Reply To under this message. It used to be, in the old system, that the sender's email address was right there and you could just copy it.   Hannah had also sent another message about Kolomea and my connection to SPERBER is likely from Kolomea.   Jeff Knisbacher

Bad Aarolsen Data Base

 Hannah Sperber
Jan 17   

Does anyone know how to access these records?
im looking for Philip Sperber, Karl Sperber 
 Bernard FLAM
Jan 17   

Hi from Paris,
You directly access and search Bad Arolsen archives with this link :https://arolsen-archives.org/en/search-explore/search-online-archive/
Be aware of their advice : only a part of victim's archives are on line.
If you find or if you search somebody, fill the "inquiry form" : https://arolsen-archives.org/en/search-explore/inquiries/submit-inquiry/
They reply always, but delay can be some weeks.
Apart from archives of deportation, nazis camps and DP's camps, they detain some personnal objects of our "Losts" and try to give them back to descendants.

khavershaft (Friendship, the old Bundist's salute)
Bernard Flam
Archives and history of Medem Center - Arbeter ring of France
https://www.centre-medem.org/
Searching FLAM / AGID / STOLTZ around Lwow, Jaworow, Olesko, Brody
ZYSMAN, KRONENBERG, ROTTERMAN of Lodz, Opocno, Zdunka 

Alex Krakovsky Ukraine postings - Alphabetical Listing of Surnames #Ukraine

Gary Pokrassa
 

Many archive wiki pages posted by Alex Krakovsky also have an entry that looks something like this:
 
An alphabetical index of Jewish names. Written by Boris Finkelstein. 
 
It may appear above the main file listings or in the upper right corner as a separate box 
 
Apparently Boris has created a list for many revision lists of the family surnames included in the attached revision list which is downloadable in a pdf file.
 
It is NOT an index (since it does not have references to actual record numbers) but it is a helpful clue that tells you whether or not a particular surname of interest in included in that revision list
 
It is published in Cyrillic.  However this can easily be translated into English using the Steve Morse webpage at this url:  https://stevemorse.org/russian/r2ebatch.html
 
I have been informed that unfortunately there is currently no place to upload this type of list into the main JG database and that the appropriate place is on a Kehilalink.
 
 

Gary Pokrassa
gpokrassa@...
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Group
JewishGen.org
 

Rosenszweig in Antwerp

Neil Rosenstein
 

Trying to make contact with the family of  Reizel Schwartz, born in Mad on June 30, 1893 and died in Bnei Brak on 21 Tamuz 1981, married BenZion Rosenszweig of Debrecen, perished in Bergen Belsen on 21 Tevet, 1945. She was the sole survivor of the entire family of R. Naftali Schwartz.
Her son was Naftali Rosenszweig who lived in Antwerp, brother of Feige who married Tuvia Yoel Steiner of Jerusalem

Re: Reply to Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

Andy Monat
 

Yohanan Petrovsky-Shtern who wrote that article on Miliary Service in Russia in the YIVO Encyclopedia also wrote a book on the topic, "Jews in the Russian army, 1827 - 1917 : drafted into modernity". I read it and found a lot of useful background material, obviously far more than he had room to put into the encyclopedia article.

For instance, I learned from the book that in the 1890s it became more difficult for Jews living outside the Pale to receive renewals of their permits to live in those locations. That might account for the immigration to the US in the 1890s of my great-grandfather Shmuel Moshe (Samuel) Monat, an army veteran living in the city of Petrozavodsk in Karelia.

See https://www.worldcat.org/title/jews-in-the-russian-army-1827-1917-drafted-into-modernity/oclc/1014040842&referer=brief_results

Re: Maiming to Avoid the Russian Draft?

sjgwed@...
 

My mother z"l always remembered her father's friend, "Schuster," whose pointer finger had been cut off "long ago, so he wouldn't be taken into the army" in Galicia. She knew Schuster when she was a child in New York Cityin the 1910s and 1920s, and she always shuddered when she saw him. 
Susan J. Gordon
White Plains NY

Re: Pale of Settlement

Debbie Lifshitz
 

Translation of Yiddish/ Hebrew:
Border (or Territory) of Settlement
All the best,
Debbie Lifschitz
Jerusalem

Re: Buying false papers

Sarah L Meyer
 

I need to clarify something about the dates.  My paternal ggf, the one who "bought" the false papers in Russia (I think the Odessa area) arrived in 1884, which was well before the opening of Ellis Island.  He came under the surname Meyer.  The rest of his family came in 1887.   My direct maternal family had no such stories and did come through Ellis Island.  

--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com

Re: Pale of Settlement

olandm@...
 

Would be very interested in reading through your book, but the cost (as listed on Amazon) is way out there, especially the kindle version ($139!). Is it available in public libraries? Thanks. Mark Oland

Re: Given Names Database

nigel wilson
 

It's been driving me nuts too - it came back on again a week or so ago then went down again.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

Re: Buying false papers

Evelyn Fabrikant
 

I posted once before about my father who tried to buy false papers from a Jewish forger is Sosnovitz after escaping from Russian army where he was impressed after escaping from German labor train from Sarny/Ukraine. Trying to find the names of small group he crossed Europe with -from Sosnovitz to Italy
I’m posting a photo of one man
My father is the one being choked
This is in Rome sometime after 1945 and before February 1948

Evelyn Fabrikant
Manalapan NJ

Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England #liverpool

Steve Stein
 

Thanks to all who responded, especially David Rosen who found my guy by tracing his manifest neighbor across England and into New York. Ancestry had mangled his surname.

Steve Stein

Viewmate Yiddish Translations

Mark Michaels
 

4 linked photograph captions. You will see a couple of kind
translation responses pasted below but they have gaps. Any advice to
fill those gaps very much appreciated.

Pic ending 512
Viewmate 77839

: This photo was taken ...
we traveled to meet our ...
your ??? grandmother Chashe ???

Pic ending 511
Viewmate 77838

1 year after our wedding in "Konigsberg" ???
??? Hoshe of blessed memory from New York
Month Sivan May 20 1907


Pic ending 509
Viewmate 77836

This photo was taken 1 year after our wedding in "Konigsberg" (?here?)
we traveled to meet our brother Hoshe of blessed memory from New York
your ??? grandmother Chashe 1st day of the month Sivan May 20 1907

Pic ending 510
Viewmate 77837

Enye [?] Schwartzman
Some Yiddish dialects turn don't aspirate the "H".
This woman was probably named "Henia" or Henieh, pronounced "Eniyeh"

With thanks in anticipation

Mark

Mark J Michaels
Montgomery Wales

Researching:
MICHAELS or MITCHELL originally MICHALOWICZ from ZAKROCZYM and
ABRAHAMS from MLAWA
LEEK and TELLER from GRONINGEN
BERNSTEIN and LEVY from SIERPC
LANG from DURMENACH
SCHNEIDERMANN, DANNENBERG, HART, ISAACS, PHILLIPS, HYAMS, MYERS GREENBURG

Russian translation

אילנה אבימור
 

 
I've posted 3 vital records in Russian for which I need translation of names, dates and ages. It is on ViewMate at the following addresses
 
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Ilana Meler Avimor
Hod Hasharon, Israel
 

Re: Tracking a passenger across the Atlantic through England #liverpool

Jill Whitehead
 

Another important area to bear in mind is the double emigration from Eastern Europe to the UK that took place firstly between about 1860 and 1900, and then the secondary emigration from the UK to USA and Canada during 1904/5/6. This is largely ignored by academic researchers but there was a lot of it.  Those who settled in the UK were encouraged to take out naturalisation papers, but it was not compulsory, and some towns had naturalisation quotas, and it was expensive. For my family, three of my four great grandfathers took out naturalisation, including one who made three attempts before he succeeded (he moved from Hull to Grimsby to do this).   The 4th joined a Naturalisation Society in Manchester, but did not take it any further. In Liverpool, my great grandfather Joseph Servian (Serwianski from Sejny and lake Serwy) took out naturalisation but his brother Barnet Servian later Silverman did not. Barnet's wife died in 1895 and he remarried. In 1905 the UK Government brought in the Aliens Act, which brought in controls for those who were not naturalised, and those who had long resided in the UK knew it was coming, as there had been other attempts to pass this act beforehand.   Barnet and his new wife migrated again from Liverpool to Chicago in 1904 followed by his four grown up, Liverpool born, children in 1905 and 1906, and then the fiancee of one of his sons in 1907. One of the sons then came back to Liverpool in 1912 to marry Joseph's  granddaughter and take her to Detroit (they then went to Toronto). I have found quite a lot of incidences of this happening with other UK families, who have found branches that went onto USA in early 20th century, having long resided in the UK, but were not UK naturalised.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Pale of Settlement

Vivienne Fleet
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 04:28 PM, <assaf.patir@...> wrote:
And what would be the literal translation of the Yiddish term Der t'hum ha-moy-shəv? דער תחום המושב-- 
Vivienne Fleet
United Kingdom researching:
FRYDE / FRIEDE - Kalisz, Poland; Łask, Poland; Sunderland, England
KISSELHOFF - Bol'shiye-Luki, Belarus (aka Velikiye-Luki, Belarus); Vitebsk, Belarus; Daugavpils, Latvia
KAFFEL - Riga, Latvia; South Africa
GERSHOWITZ - Belarus

Buying false papers

YaleZuss@...
 

I've seen all the claims made in the various papers that Barbara Mannlein mentioned, and more, but the specific claims are all factually false, based on fundamental errors in logic, or are the result of methodological problems.  Before accepting the meme about "no involuntary name-changes" please wait for my paper to appear, read it, and think about what it says.  I think you'll realize that there is no basis for rejecting the name-change narratives, when you realize how they came to be.

Just to get you started, read the references in Barbara's message, and you will note that there are lots of claims that the involuntary name-change meme has been disproved repeatedly.  The proofs mentioned in these articles rarely have citations, so you won't be able to find them.  I went looking, and all I found was more claims that the proof is in the literature.  As it happens, I followed the one citation mentioned, to Vincent Cannato's book, back to its source, and found no proof there at all.  I contacted Prof. Cannato, who reported he had not researched this issue.  (His book is actually about how the experience of running Ellis Island established the American approach to bureaucracy.)  There are lots of assumptions made, but even when these assumptions turn out to be correct, they usually don't prove the point.

Readers may also find interesting that while Marian Smith was willing to discuss her role in propagating the "no involuntary name-changes" meme, she didn't answer direct questions about whether she had actually researched this issue or what proof she had on the matter.  And she had seen an early draft of my paper, sent by person or persons unknown, before I communicated with her, so why I was asking these questions was self-evident.

The notion that Inspectors were the agency for the involuntary name-changes is an assumption that has served as a straw-man on this matter.  None of the name-change narratives I collected included a claim that the inspector looked at their ancestor, and proclaimed, "I don't like you, do I'm going to call you Snotflubber," or "I like you, so you get to be Goldman."  Abandon this notion, and you'll see that the case against the narratives consists of basically nothing.  If there really is a case, perhaps someone would be so kind as to make it?

Yale Zussman, PhD

Given Names Database

Deborah Barr
 

Hi All,

I haven't been able to access the Given Names database for a long time - weeks if not months.  Has anyone been able to? Does anyone know what's going on with it?

Deborah Barr
San Francisco