Re: Why was I told my mother's family were German Jews when they weren't? #austria-czech

Judy Kaufman <judykaufman7@...>

Thanks, everyone, for the very interesting stories and explanations.  It seems that Jews, I guess like any group, stereotype subgroups and find reasons to look down on the ones to which they don't belong, or to feel looked down upon.

In conversation with a first cousin, I learned that she was always told that our grandfather was Austrian, not German.  He was indeed from a town in the Austrian Empire.  So now I think that my mother turned her father, "Austrian Jew," into "German Jew" and elevated that above a Russian Jew, for reasons that were probably derived more from family dynamics than anything else.
Judy Kaufman
Irvine, CA

LEIDERMAN (Khashchuvatye)
WEINSTEIN (Sokolow-Malopolski)
RASKIN (Chernigor)

Anyone know places called Kajankow and street Richeliewsca - Odessa #ukraine


Dear all,

I saw on a document written by my great grand-father who was applying in 1936 for the French Nationality that his father VERBA Isaac was born in a place called Kajankow but I can find nothing with that name,
Would someone know which city that would refer to?

On that same document he wrote that before leaving to France he lived few years in Odessa exactly Richeliewsca Street, is this street still existing now? What about he  kind of place it was in 1907?

Many thanks for anyhelp,

Sébastien TORIO

Jewish Gen SIG meeting #announcements

Peter Straus

I don’t know where the epicenter for Jewish Gen is, but a later time on the US West Coast for such meetings would sure be appreciated.

--peter straus/SF

Re: Why was I told my mother's family were German Jews when they weren't? #austria-czech

Abuwasta Abuwasta

I have in my maternal family from Galicia some relatives who left to Germany prior to WW1 and escaped to Palestine or Argentina after Hitler came to power.  They always spoke of themselves as Yekkes and distanced themselves from the Ostjuden(The East European Jews regarded as less civilized). Needless to say that at the beginning it hampered my research before I realized that they were Galitzianers in disguise.

Jacob Rosen


Jewish Community in Finland #general #russia

Barbara Levy

My grandfather said he was born in Finland, probably in Hamina, Finland. Does anyone know if there was a Jewish community in Hamina, Finland around 1878, when he was born? How might I find out about this? When he was a little boy, his family moved (back?) to Riga, which is where his family was from. Why did they move to Finland? Why did they leave Finland and move to Latvia? I'm trying to find out all I can about Jews in Finland. (I've looked at the general sources available through the web.)

Barbara Levy

Re: 60 Minutes Episode on Home DNA Testing and Genealogy Testing #dna

Jx. Gx.

It is very tempting to give away your DNA in exchange for a list of potential distant relatives and for data that purports to shown where one's ancestors may have once dwelled. 

The 60 Minute episode only touched on some of the risks associated with giving out one's DNA.  Once it is given you have no control of who has access to it and how it can be used. It is likely to stay around forever and we can't even begin to imagine how it can be used for nefarious ways in the future, especially if it is linked to other bits of data about ourselves gleaned from other sources. I had to laugh when the CEO of 23andMe said her company has policies in place to protect how the DNA data is stored and used, but then admitted that all companies are susceptible to hackers.  Policies are not laws and can change the minute a new CEO is installed or if the company is bought by another firm that has no hesitation about selling your DNA. " CAVEAT EMPTOR (Buyer Beware). 

Jeffrey Gee
Arizona, USA

Re: Why these two naturalization cards? #general

Sherri Bobish


The card with the soundex code B452 in the upper left-had corner is from Index to Naturalization Petitions.

The card with number 5122602 in the upper-right hand corner is from Naturalization Index.  This should refer to the final nat papers.  The "A.R." number in the lower-left corner is his Alien Registration number.

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish

January 2021 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert #general #jgs-iajgs #records

Jan Meisels Allen

As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not—   all postings are included below.  The following are the summaries for the month of January, 2021.  In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert.

Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.


•             60 Minutes Episode on Home DNA Testing and Genealogy Testing

•             Ancestry Announces Appointment of Mark Thompson as Chairman of the Board of Directors

•             Ancestry Files Motion to Dismiss Yearbook Photo Misappropriation Law Suit

•             Apple vs Facebook on Privacy Online

•             (Australia) Google Threatens To Leave Australia Due to Proposed Media Law and Link Tax

•             BCG Releases New BCG Application Guide and Revised New-application Rubrics


•             (European Union) CJEU Advisor Recommends Data Protection Agencies in Any EU County Can Take Legal Action

•             (European Union) Council Releases Draft of E-Privacy Regulation

•             (European Union) Macron Tells Tech Companies to Get on Board with EU Regulations; EU Urges US to Draft Joint Rule Book on Tech Companies

•             (European Union) President of EU Commission Writes About Digitalization And What They Want Regarding  Digital Rulebook

•             FamilySearch Family History Library Launches New Webpage

•             (France) French Police Surveillance Dossiers of Interwar Period -Online Index

•             (France-US) US Suspends French Tariffs Over Digital Services Tax

•             International Data Privacy Day  January 28

•             myDNA Merges with FamilyTree DNA

•             (Netherlands)  Council of Ministers Modernizes Old Archives Act

•             (Netherlands) Records That Became Public As of January 2021

•             (Scotland) Scotland's People Adds 250,000 Birth, Death and Marriage Entries

•             Secrecy in Death Records: A Call to Action

•             (UK) 2021 Census Changes Gender Question

•             (UK) World War ll Veterans' Memories for New Welsh Archive


•             (US) 2020 Census Geographic Products Available

•             (US) Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf To Step Down

•             (US) Census Bureau Says' President Trump's Push to Exclude Undocumented from Census Count is Dead

•             (US) 2020 Census Delays Affecting Redistricting Nationwide

•             (US) Chairman of Federal Trade Commission Stepping Down ; Supreme Court FTC Case

•             (US) Commerce Department Trying to Get 2020 Census to President by January 15

•             (US) Federal Records Management: Digitizing Permanent Records and Reviewing Records Schedules

•             (US) Historians Tape Together Records that President Trump Tore Up

•             (US)  Music Modernization Act Final Rules-Copyright

•             (US) Presidential Executive Order Regarding 2020 Census Counting All Residents Regardless of Immigration Status

•             (US) Section 230 60 Minutes Program

•             (US) US House of Representatives Proposed Rules Seek to Erase Gendered Terms

•             (US) US Senate Votes to Override President's Veto of Annual Defense Bill and Maintaining Section 230 of Communications Act

•             RE: (US) US Senate Votes to Override President's Veto of Annual Defense Bill and Maintaining Section 230 of Communications Act

•             (US) USCIS Posts Notice of Preliminary Injunction Regarding  Final Rule

•             (US) USCIS Proposed Rule Change Form I-942

•             (US-MA) Boston Globe Launches "Fresh Start" Similar to Right to Forget

•             (US-Maine) Bill Addressing Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates

•             (US-Maine) Bangor Daily News Taking Requests to remove Old Crime Stories- Right to be Forgotten

•             (US-NY)  Privacy Legislation Regarding Biometric Information  AB 27

•             (US-PA)  Revised Uniform Fiduciary Access to Digital Assets Act

•             MORE (US-PA)  Revised Uniform Fiduciary Access to Digital Assets Act

•             (US-WA)  Litigation To Stop Plan Moving Pacific NW National Archives

•             (US-WA) WA State SSB 5062 Substitute Privacy  Bill

•             USHMM Makes Available War Crimes Nuremberg Trial Recordings Available 


The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously.  We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not

previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening I encourage you to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner.  If you are interested in any of the above items, please

register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives.  To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: and follow the instructions to enter

your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG  or a subscriber of JewishGen, Avotaynu, Legal Genealogist  etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to,

or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at:


The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.


These are listed alphabetically not chronologically.  Each month the locales covered differ.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Holocaust Database Announcement - Rovno, Poland Community Fee Contributions (February 1939) #JewishGenUpdates #announcements #holocaust

Nolan Altman

In February of 1939, Równe, was part of Poland.  Subsequently, the town was part of the Soviet Union and today is known as Rivne, in Ukraine.  (For more information on the town, please see JewishGen’s Community Database at and the KehilaLinks page at

According to the source document, the town included a Jewish population of approximately 30,000 of which 2,685 households made “community fee” contributions of approximately 75,700 Polish zlotys.

The database includes 2,686 households in Rovno that paid community fees in Feb 1939 and include surname, given name, street address, occupation in Polish), and amount paid. To assist researchers, you can use (JewishGen’s InfoFile for Polish to English occupation translations).  The full introduction for this dataset can be found at

Nolan Altman

Director of Data Acquisition - Holocaust Database

February 2021


Holocaust book written by a grandson about his grandfather #holocaust


A heartfelt loving tribute by a grandson to his grandfather who survived the Holocaust.  The story is amazing, surviving both the killing fields of Romania and the Russian army.

Joseph Weiss

JGS Toronto Virtual meeting re Ukraine on Weds 3 Feb at 7:30 PM EST #events #announcements #records #ukraine

Marla Waltman


The Jewish Genealogical Society of Toronto (JGS Toronto) encourages all interested genealogists to join our Ukraine SIG meeting, which is taking place on Zoom at 7:30 pm EST on Weds. 3 February. Our speaker is Howard Goldstein, who will provide a hands-on demonstration and guide to help you improve your ability to find and use records from Ukrainian Archives available on the Wikipedia site of Alex Krakovsky. 

A Practical Guide to Using Ukrainian Archive Documents to Trace Your Roots.
Speaker: Howard Goldstein


Alex Krakovsky is a Ukrainian from Kyiv who is working to reform the Ukrainian archives system and to get more archival records digitized and placed online. He has personally scanned thousands of pages of archival documents which have never before been scanned or microfilmed, has facilitated the acquisition of scanners for use by the Ukrainian Archive branches to scan documents, and has taken the Ukrainian archives to court (and won!) for their refusal to allow people to scan images there. Every single scanned page is made available online to the public ... for free!

Unfortunately for many, all of the records are in Cyrillic and very few of the records have yet been indexed or translated, which makes the task of searching them quite daunting. In this presentation, Howard will review the documents which are available, where to find them, and how to use them. He'll provide practical tools and tips for searching the scanned records and show how -- with a little persistence -- you, too, can find the records pertaining to your ancestors.

A handout with resources and links will be provided to registrants before the meeting. 

Register here: 

Marla Waltman
Ukraine SIG Coordinator
JGS Toronto

Wiener Holocaust Library Launches New Digital Resource Testifying to the Truth #records #unitedkingdom #announcements #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen




The (UK) Wiener Holocaust Library announced they have launched  their new digital resource, Testifying to the Truth (  During the 1950s the researchers at the Wiener Holocaust Library gathered over 1,000 accounts from eyewitnesses to Nazi persecution and genocide. The accounts were done predominately in German, and now for the first time they are available in English.


They also announced the launch of the Holocaust and Genocide Research Partnership (HGRP) the UK’s foremost research body in to the history of the Holocaust and genocide


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Manifest Mystery #names

Lawrence Weintraub

Hello all,
I am curious about the young woman who accompanied Schaje Adelstein (my ggf Samuel Edelstein) on the SS Smolensk arriving in NYC from Libau on 14 September 1906.  She is listed on line 19 of the manifest as "Yrlja" or Irlja" Adelstein.  Is anyone familiar with such a given name?  What might it become in the US?  I also have been unable to find the brother "B. Adelstein" she was going to join in Boston at the address cited  
I would appreciate any help with these two mystery ancestors.  Thank you.
Lawrence Weintraub
Old Bridge, NJ

Sam Winakor/Sam Winer/Sam Cooper, One and the same #names

Cindy Taylor

Guidance needed please...when it comes to the "curse of the common name" we're often at a loss with doubtful data versus "could it possibly be."  
Two brothers:  One ended up in greater Boston whilst the other became a New Yorker (most likely Brooklyn).  They were both Sam Winakors/Winer but their Hebrew names were different.
I have been able to document the Bostonian Sam Winer, BUT his brother changed his name to Sam Cooper (OY!).  The Boston Sam Winer was from Pollonye and was born 1885-1888.  He arrived to the USA in 1906. Occupation carpenter/woodworker.  Family lore has the brother Sam Cooper being a tad older and arriving to the USA about a year or so prior to Sam Winer.  Original Shtetl/town for Bostonian Sam was Polonnye.
Not ANYTHING that I've seen so far is a good match in my quest to find Sam Cooper.  I would welcome your suggestions, hints, help.  And thank you in advance.  Brain needs reprogramming soonest.   
Cindy Potter Taylor
Boynton Beach, FL

VIEWMATE translation of Yiddish postcard (repost from 2005) #translation

Deb Skolnik

I realized recently that a postcard for which I need a translation never got any responses.
It's been 16 years (!) since I asked so I thought I'd try again:
Thank you very much in advance!
Deb Cohen Skolnik
                         LIFSCHITZ/LIFSHITZ/LIPSCHITZ - Vitebsk, Minsk
                         KALMAN - Jahotyn/Jatyn/Yagotin/Yahotyn
                         ZOLOTUSHKIN - Jahotyn/Jatyn/Yagotin/Yahotyn
                         LANDE/LONDIN - Bialystok
                         GARBARZ - Mordy

Zoom talk: Moses & Judith Montefiore: in sickness and health #announcements

David Mendoza

Ramsgate Montefiore Heritage announce that Rabbi Dr. Andrew Goldstein will
be speaking on "Moses & Judith Montefiore: in sickness and health" on
Wednesday 17 February at 7.30pm London time. In 1816, 1818 and 1823 the
Montefiores travelled through France, Italy and Germany. Judith's
unpublished manuscript diaries offer insights into their personalities.
Great energy and courage but, like everybody, occasional ill health and
facing real dangers along the way. Rabbi Goldstein is in the process of
transcribing these diaries and will share his discoveries as well as
describing the routes taken. You can register for this free event at:

Best wishes,

David Mendoza

Re: Why was I told my mother's family were German Jews when they weren't? #austria-czech

Lee Jaffe

I was told Yekkie was a term given to German Jews in Israel, referring to their penchant for dressing in European style -- wearing suit jackets (jacket = yeket), for instance -- despite the weather and more casual style that other Israelis adopted.  A lot of Israeli literature touches on the differences in different Jewish communities from Euope arriving there.  Amos Oz, Meir Shalev...

Lee Jaffe

NY Genealogical and Biographical Society Posts on Essential Steps to Find a NYS Marriage Record #records #usa

Jan Meisels Allen


For those researching New York State records this blog post by the NY Genealogical and Biographical Society has an entry about how to find a New York State Marriage Record: The posting also provides hints about estimating a date of a marriage and if the record is likely to exist.


The blog explains the challenges of locating such records. The blog post does not address marriage records for New York City but they have  a guide about those records which can be accessed at:


You do not need to be a member of the Society to access the blog post.


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Seeking relative's U.S. naturalization record #usa

Moishe Miller

If he was naturalized in the Bronx, it may well be his detail is in the Southern District Court. You can see that collection here:

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
JGFF #3391

Re: Towns in the region of Giessen, Germany #germany


Maybe it's the same Chaim...? (Another boy exactly a year later!)

Yehuda Altein
Brooklyn, NY