In doing the research for the Kovel shtetlinks site, I came across many oral
histories and memoirs by those who were born and/or lived in Kovel. I have
aggregated them on one page, which you can find here:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kovel/oralhistories.htm

For those histories and memoirs that listed other family members or
residents of Kovel, I have also updated the site page that contains the
names of all the individuals mention on the site itself, or in material
elsewhere on the web. You can find that here:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kovel/nameindex.htm

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, Md.

In doing the research for the Kovel shtetlinks site, I came across many oral
histories and memoirs by those who were born and/or lived in Kovel. I have
aggregated them on one page, which you can find here:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kovel/oralhistories.htm

For those histories and memoirs that listed other family members or
residents of Kovel, I have also updated the site page that contains the
names of all the individuals mention on the site itself, or in material
elsewhere on the web. You can find that here:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kovel/nameindex.htm

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, Md.

On Apr 24, 6:49 pm, birano...@... (Ofer Biran) wrote:

Thanks to JRI-Poland for locating the record !

This is a death record of Leybus Wayland -
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=18725

I got the following translation (the volunteers on ViewMate are
amazing ! - thanks all !) :
Death akt 52 reg. in Lukow Nov 23, 1831 of Lejbus WAYLAND, 70, son of
Josz/Nosz? and Ryfka

Appreciate opinion on:
1. Father name (osz/Nosz?)
2. >from a 1831 death record of my confirmed 4th ggm Sura Honigman in
Lukow, I learned that she was born in 1794 and her parents were Leybus
and Ryfka WEYLAND >from Lukow. The above is the only record for a
Leibus Wayland in Lukow (and you know that for pre-1800 we can usually
only get information >from such death records). Any opinion for the
assurance of relating Leybus in the Leibus death record to Sura's
father ?

For Q2 - I discovered since that "my" Leybus had 2 more children
except Ryfka - Aron (b 1783) and Berek (b 1788)

Ofer Biran

On Apr 24, 6:49 pm, birano...@... (Ofer Biran) wrote:

Thanks to JRI-Poland for locating the record !

This is a death record of Leybus Wayland -
http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=18725

I got the following translation (the volunteers on ViewMate are
amazing ! - thanks all !) :
Death akt 52 reg. in Lukow Nov 23, 1831 of Lejbus WAYLAND, 70, son of
Josz/Nosz? and Ryfka

Appreciate opinion on:
1. Father name (osz/Nosz?)
2. >from a 1831 death record of my confirmed 4th ggm Sura Honigman in
Lukow, I learned that she was born in 1794 and her parents were Leybus
and Ryfka WEYLAND >from Lukow. The above is the only record for a
Leibus Wayland in Lukow (and you know that for pre-1800 we can usually
only get information >from such death records). Any opinion for the
assurance of relating Leybus in the Leibus death record to Sura's
father ?

For Q2 - I discovered since that "my" Leybus had 2 more children
except Ryfka - Aron (b 1783) and Berek (b 1788)

Ofer Biran

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Trudy Barch wrote:

Bernie,

which site is private, if any?

I suggest JewishGen's "Family Tree of the Jewish people".
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/
These ae some of their requirements....

" The GEDCOM you are submitting represents your personal research
efforts into your own family connections. If your submission includes
data that is the work of another person you must have their permission
to put it on line.

You will not submit any information that infringes on the copyright of
others, nor is defamatory or profane in any way.

Your submission does not entitle you to any compensation, monetary or other.

You will respond in a timely fashion to any researcher who makes
contact with you through the third party e-mail system maintained by
JewishGen.

Because of the concerns for privacy of living persons, any data
displayed on the Internet will not contain the date and place of birth
for any person for whom a death date is not included, nor will source
notes be displayed.

JewishGen copyrights only the compilation of GEDCOMs as the database.
This does not limit you >from publishing, selling, giving or otherwise
distributing your GEDCOM for commercial or non-commercial purposes."
Read more... http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/
--
HAVEANICEDAY
Bernard I. Kouchel
koosh@...

Subject: Publishing a tree online, a caution
From: bik <kooshb9341@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:54:49 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14

When sharing your family tree online with genealogy data websites such
as ancestry.com, FamilySearch or Geni, etc. - be aware that you are
allowed to upload your data to the publisher's website - on the
condition that you effectively donate your data to the publisher's
data archive, and sign up to a complex, legally-binding agreement.

Additionally, irresponsible submitters include data on the living without
their permission, a no-no for ethical genealogists.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
kooshb9341@...

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Trudy Barch wrote:

Bernie,

which site is private, if any?

I suggest JewishGen's "Family Tree of the Jewish people".
http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/
These ae some of their requirements....

" The GEDCOM you are submitting represents your personal research
efforts into your own family connections. If your submission includes
data that is the work of another person you must have their permission
to put it on line.

You will not submit any information that infringes on the copyright of
others, nor is defamatory or profane in any way.

Your submission does not entitle you to any compensation, monetary or other.

You will respond in a timely fashion to any researcher who makes
contact with you through the third party e-mail system maintained by
JewishGen.

Because of the concerns for privacy of living persons, any data
displayed on the Internet will not contain the date and place of birth
for any person for whom a death date is not included, nor will source
notes be displayed.

JewishGen copyrights only the compilation of GEDCOMs as the database.
This does not limit you >from publishing, selling, giving or otherwise
distributing your GEDCOM for commercial or non-commercial purposes."
Read more... http://www.jewishgen.org/gedcom/
--
HAVEANICEDAY
Bernard I. Kouchel
koosh@...

Subject: Publishing a tree online, a caution
From: bik <kooshb9341@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 13:54:49 -0400
X-Message-Number: 14

When sharing your family tree online with genealogy data websites such
as ancestry.com, FamilySearch or Geni, etc. - be aware that you are
allowed to upload your data to the publisher's website - on the
condition that you effectively donate your data to the publisher's
data archive, and sign up to a complex, legally-binding agreement.

Additionally, irresponsible submitters include data on the living without
their permission, a no-no for ethical genealogists.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
kooshb9341@...

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who knew the family of David BARNES, son of
Hyman "Harry" PARNES-BARNES and Rebecca COHEN. David was bon in 1915
and he may have died in 1996.

He may or may not have moved to Australia. All I know is I have hit a
roadblock in trying to locate what became of David. All my cousins
know is that Hyman moved to Australia with his second wife.

Many Thanks,

Michael Waas
Sarasota, FL

Researching: WAAS, PARNES (PARNESS), BRIEF, PRINS, KINSBERGEN,
PEREIRA, SPEIGEL, MOLTIANER, LEVINSON (London)

Hello,

I am looking for anyone who knew the family of David BARNES, son of
Hyman "Harry" PARNES-BARNES and Rebecca COHEN. David was bon in 1915
and he may have died in 1996.

He may or may not have moved to Australia. All I know is I have hit a
roadblock in trying to locate what became of David. All my cousins
know is that Hyman moved to Australia with his second wife.

Many Thanks,

Michael Waas
Sarasota, FL

Researching: WAAS, PARNES (PARNESS), BRIEF, PRINS, KINSBERGEN,
PEREIRA, SPEIGEL, MOLTIANER, LEVINSON (London)

Hi all.

1st time here and I hope to get almost any information for my Mother's
side of the Family.

Scant information and no-one left to ask.Story as related so far.

My Great grandfather came to Leeds UK >from Poland, Changed his name to
John BENTLEY and eventually joined the army. Made a sergeant and
posted to India in 1914. Injured he was invalided to Baghdad where he
"faked amnesia" and went to Cairo.
Changed name to BOGDADLY and married an unnamed Turkishh woman and had 5 sons.
My Grandfather was 1 of the brothers Clement BOGDADLY and he married
an Italian catholic (Angela?) >from Lucca / Livorno /Tuscany. He was a
Jeweller or Bookmaker .

The family fled to Cairo after being hunted by Black shirts in
Florence.Lost all money under Nasser and my mother and her half
sister Betty ( born daughter of French Jewess >from Avignon?) lived in
Moascar labour camp ( now Stateless) >from where they both married
Britishh service men and later moved to UK.

An unnamed brother of Clement BOGDADLY had 2 children that we are
aware of , Simone BOGDADLY ( who married a Moroccan last name HASSINE)
(she worked for a big department in Tel Aviv and Raymond BOGDADLY who
married an unknown Israeli woman and has 2 boys and 1 girl ( he worked
for EL AL )( He may have changed hid name to Avissar BENTAL). Other
known relatives are named as Leon ( no details) and Teddy ( who also
worked for EL AL).

I hope this is posted correctly and I thank you for reading.

Paul Cooke
Bracknell
Berkshire
UK
kremmen@...

please reply either through email or the group.

Researching
BENTLEY ( Leeds) ,BOGDADLY (Egypt), HASSINE (Tel Aviv), BENTAL

Hi all.

1st time here and I hope to get almost any information for my Mother's
side of the Family.

Scant information and no-one left to ask.Story as related so far.

My Great grandfather came to Leeds UK >from Poland, Changed his name to
John BENTLEY and eventually joined the army. Made a sergeant and
posted to India in 1914. Injured he was invalided to Baghdad where he
"faked amnesia" and went to Cairo.
Changed name to BOGDADLY and married an unnamed Turkishh woman and had 5 sons.
My Grandfather was 1 of the brothers Clement BOGDADLY and he married
an Italian catholic (Angela?) >from Lucca / Livorno /Tuscany. He was a
Jeweller or Bookmaker .

The family fled to Cairo after being hunted by Black shirts in
Florence.Lost all money under Nasser and my mother and her half
sister Betty ( born daughter of French Jewess >from Avignon?) lived in
Moascar labour camp ( now Stateless) >from where they both married
Britishh service men and later moved to UK.

An unnamed brother of Clement BOGDADLY had 2 children that we are
aware of , Simone BOGDADLY ( who married a Moroccan last name HASSINE)
(she worked for a big department in Tel Aviv and Raymond BOGDADLY who
married an unknown Israeli woman and has 2 boys and 1 girl ( he worked
for EL AL )( He may have changed hid name to Avissar BENTAL). Other
known relatives are named as Leon ( no details) and Teddy ( who also
worked for EL AL).

I hope this is posted correctly and I thank you for reading.

Paul Cooke
Bracknell
Berkshire
UK
kremmen@...

please reply either through email or the group.

Researching
BENTLEY ( Leeds) ,BOGDADLY (Egypt), HASSINE (Tel Aviv), BENTAL

Hi All-

I have a Hamburg Passenger List >from 1889 which gives the place of
residence for Jacob PROTT and his family as Radosch, Russia.

I have no other records which might be helpful, as Jacob, who
became BROTT, died in 1901, so no WWI Draft records or subsequent
census records. Could it be Radziejow, Poland?

If that is correct, the names of the daughters of Jacob and Clara
puzzle me. They are Amelia, Natalia, Maria, and Elizabeth.
In my Polish research I have never encountered these given names.
I am wondering if this indicates that this family may not have been
Jewish.

Any thought appreciates. Thanks in advance.

Linda Thorpe (Trotzky) Caciola
Los Angeles, CA

Dear Beverly:

JRI-Poland ran an order processing system >from 2002 to 2006, acting as an
intermediary between researchers and the Polish State Archives. Then, as
now, each main regional Archive was responsible for collections for that
Archive and its branches. Both Radom and Kielce are main regional Archives.
Pultusk is a branch of the Warszawa Archive. The result is that you will
have to make payment to three Archives.

There have been many discussions on different Jewish genealogy forums and I
have not seen any great ways to cut the costs of the bank transfers.

A few ideas have been mentioned:

1) If payment is made >from another EU country, the bank transfer fees are
less.

2) Consolidate your order to each Archive with others wishing to order >from
that same Archive and split the cost of the bank fees.

3) Someone once mentioned XOOM, which sends money worldwide. However, I have
never heard any endorsement of this service or anyone who has used this
service to make payment to the Polish Archives.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland

Hi All-

I have a Hamburg Passenger List >from 1889 which gives the place of
residence for Jacob PROTT and his family as Radosch, Russia.

I have no other records which might be helpful, as Jacob, who
became BROTT, died in 1901, so no WWI Draft records or subsequent
census records. Could it be Radziejow, Poland?

If that is correct, the names of the daughters of Jacob and Clara
puzzle me. They are Amelia, Natalia, Maria, and Elizabeth.
In my Polish research I have never encountered these given names.
I am wondering if this indicates that this family may not have been
Jewish.

Any thought appreciates. Thanks in advance.

Linda Thorpe (Trotzky) Caciola
Los Angeles, CA

Dear Beverly:

JRI-Poland ran an order processing system >from 2002 to 2006, acting as an
intermediary between researchers and the Polish State Archives. Then, as
now, each main regional Archive was responsible for collections for that
Archive and its branches. Both Radom and Kielce are main regional Archives.
Pultusk is a branch of the Warszawa Archive. The result is that you will
have to make payment to three Archives.

There have been many discussions on different Jewish genealogy forums and I
have not seen any great ways to cut the costs of the bank transfers.

A few ideas have been mentioned:

1) If payment is made >from another EU country, the bank transfer fees are
less.

2) Consolidate your order to each Archive with others wishing to order >from
that same Archive and split the cost of the bank fees.

3) Someone once mentioned XOOM, which sends money worldwide. However, I have
never heard any endorsement of this service or anyone who has used this
service to make payment to the Polish Archives.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland

Meron, please email me. I have information for you but my email to you
bounced.

Thank you.

Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Marietta, GA (formerly Savannah)
rlberliner@...

Meron, please email me. I have information for you but my email to you
bounced.

Thank you.

Rachelle Leaf Berliner
Marietta, GA (formerly Savannah)
rlberliner@...

After so many years of researching my family, one would think I'd know
the answer to this, but I don't. And I think a great many others may
not either.

What is the difference between a SIG (Special Interest Group) and BOF
(Birds of a Feather) membership? I can't find anything at JewishGen on
this, though maybe I didn't look in the right category.

I am asking now because I see BOF meetings in the schedule of the IAJGS
conference for August. I know one can join a SIG through the JewishGen
site, but how does one join a BOF? Are they listed somewhere?

Joy Weaver
Islip, NY

Poland (Krasnik & Zaklikow in Lublin): BLUMBERG, FOGIEL, ROSENEL, HAJLMAN/
Belarus (Wisoke-Litovsk in Brest, Grodno): FEINBERG, VILNER, GREENBERG,
PETRUSKITZ?/PODRITSKI?, DEIBACH/DAIBOG

After so many years of researching my family, one would think I'd know
the answer to this, but I don't. And I think a great many others may
not either.

What is the difference between a SIG (Special Interest Group) and BOF
(Birds of a Feather) membership? I can't find anything at JewishGen on
this, though maybe I didn't look in the right category.

I am asking now because I see BOF meetings in the schedule of the IAJGS
conference for August. I know one can join a SIG through the JewishGen
site, but how does one join a BOF? Are they listed somewhere?

Joy Weaver
Islip, NY

Poland (Krasnik & Zaklikow in Lublin): BLUMBERG, FOGIEL, ROSENEL, HAJLMAN/
Belarus (Wisoke-Litovsk in Brest, Grodno): FEINBERG, VILNER, GREENBERG,
PETRUSKITZ?/PODRITSKI?, DEIBACH/DAIBOG

Dear Genners,

Can anyone confirm the existence of any special exemption for twins in
Jewish conscription for the Tsarist Army in the late 19th century?

The experts I've consulted (Dov Levin's "Litvaks", Yivo's "Tsarist Army"
etc.) make no mention

According to his son, my forebear Yitschak-Baruch Ovseyiovich, the 'mayor'
of Silale >from 1881-1889, was forced to flee Russian-Lithuania after it
was revealed that he had fraudulently registered his two eldest sons as twins
in order to avoid conscription (I've presumed the automatic exemption only
applied to one twin, with a payoff for the other). The explanation has
been questioned, given that Jewish conscription was patrolled >from within the
Jewish community (which would have known his true circumstances all along),
not to mention the many other ways for 'establishment' Jews to shift
conscription elsewhere.

Yours,
Donald Press (New York)
Researching: PRESS (Seda, Plunge), BRUK (Plunge), OVSEYIOVICH/OWSEOWITZ
(Silale), HOFFMAN (South Africa, USA), LIPSCHITZ (Pumpenai), BERMAN
(Siauliai), SILVERMAN (Laukuva), HART (London, USA, South Africa, Australia),
DAVIDS (Amsterdam, London, South Africa)

Dear Genners,

Can anyone confirm the existence of any special exemption for twins in
Jewish conscription for the Tsarist Army in the late 19th century?

The experts I've consulted (Dov Levin's "Litvaks", Yivo's "Tsarist Army"
etc.) make no mention

According to his son, my forebear Yitschak-Baruch Ovseyiovich, the 'mayor'
of Silale >from 1881-1889, was forced to flee Russian-Lithuania after it
was revealed that he had fraudulently registered his two eldest sons as twins
in order to avoid conscription (I've presumed the automatic exemption only
applied to one twin, with a payoff for the other). The explanation has
been questioned, given that Jewish conscription was patrolled >from within the
Jewish community (which would have known his true circumstances all along),
not to mention the many other ways for 'establishment' Jews to shift
conscription elsewhere.

Yours,
Donald Press (New York)
Researching: PRESS (Seda, Plunge), BRUK (Plunge), OVSEYIOVICH/OWSEOWITZ
(Silale), HOFFMAN (South Africa, USA), LIPSCHITZ (Pumpenai), BERMAN
(Siauliai), SILVERMAN (Laukuva), HART (London, USA, South Africa, Australia),
DAVIDS (Amsterdam, London, South Africa)