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Military Regimental Archives #unitedkingdom

annrab@...
 

I suggest that Chris Gould just plug in the name of the regiment he wants
into his online search engine and he will find loads of references. For
instance, the Royal Fusiliers has a Museum which is listed in the National
Archives.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=851

There are several individuals mentioned therein that he contact including
the Regimental Secretary and the Honorary Archivist.

There are also quite a number of references to books and other resources
online.

A very helpful site, The Long, Long Trail, is devoted to the British Army
that fought in the Great War (World War I). An example is the link to the
Royal Fusiliers:

http://www.1914-1918.net/royalfus.htm

This site lists the 47 battalions of the regiment and where they fought.

Another short resource is my recent posting on The Jewish Chronicle Blog,
http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/british-soldiers-great-war-1914-1918. This
gives some resources I utilized whilst doing some military research.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...
United States


Researching UK Army Regimental Archives #unitedkingdom

Evelyn and Christopher Wilcock
 

I have some experience of Great War research.
You mention four different units.
Labour Corp
Royal Sussex
Royal Fusiliers
17th London

I would suggest to anyone starting that they look at the entries for the
units which interest them on the Long Long Trail website at
http://www.1914-1918.net/

There is an attached Forum, called the Great War Forum which can be an
invaluable source of information >from other people who share your interests.
However my impression when I tried to find out about individuals in the
Royal Sussex, for instance, is that for some units the only response may
come >from professional researchers offering information on a paid for basis.

There are FWW researchers who collect data and publish books or sell
information about local units on a professional basis. But dont be misled; the
sources that they use are normally available, e.g. through local history
libraries, local newspapers etc.

For some units, researchers like myself put their data - or lists of names
on line and answer queries free of charge.

I cannot tell you whether there are Regimental Museums for the units you
list.
The records of Army units (Regimental Diaries) >from World War 1 recording
the day to day activity of the unit are not in the Regimental Museums. They
are held in the Public Record Office at Kew. The detail contained varies
from unit to unit. Few people are mentioned by name.
The surviving records of individuals who served are also at Kew. The
records of individuals have to some extent been put on line and can be read
through a fee or via an ancestry.com subscription. The starting point is
usually a medal card which may give details of the dates and units served
together with a service number.

The service number may help you to locate any surviving military record.
The records for men wounded or pensioned are also filmed and online. Those
for officers have not been filmed and have to be read in the original.
Records for people (men and officers) who remained in the army for a career after
World War 1 remain with the Ministry of Defence but may be read by close
family for a fee.

Once you have the dates and the units in which a man served you may find
further information in published regimental histories or in memoirs or
diaries, either published or in the archive at the Imperial War Museum. One way
of tracking down these sources is to read a general book on a particular
battle, find reference to the unit you are interested in and then look at the
footnotes to that section.

My experience looking for records of individuals who served in my
grandfather's artillery unit is that it was a slow, painstaking process. I found
records for about half of the people I looked for. I hope this is helpful
and wish you luck.

Evelyn Wilcock
London
243 Royal Field Artillery Brigade site at
http://sites.google.com/site/4thsouthmidlandbrigade/


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Researching UK Army Regimental Archives #unitedkingdom

Evelyn and Christopher Wilcock
 

I have some experience of Great War research.
You mention four different units.
Labour Corp
Royal Sussex
Royal Fusiliers
17th London

I would suggest to anyone starting that they look at the entries for the
units which interest them on the Long Long Trail website at
http://www.1914-1918.net/

There is an attached Forum, called the Great War Forum which can be an
invaluable source of information >from other people who share your interests.
However my impression when I tried to find out about individuals in the
Royal Sussex, for instance, is that for some units the only response may
come >from professional researchers offering information on a paid for basis.

There are FWW researchers who collect data and publish books or sell
information about local units on a professional basis. But dont be misled; the
sources that they use are normally available, e.g. through local history
libraries, local newspapers etc.

For some units, researchers like myself put their data - or lists of names
on line and answer queries free of charge.

I cannot tell you whether there are Regimental Museums for the units you
list.
The records of Army units (Regimental Diaries) >from World War 1 recording
the day to day activity of the unit are not in the Regimental Museums. They
are held in the Public Record Office at Kew. The detail contained varies
from unit to unit. Few people are mentioned by name.
The surviving records of individuals who served are also at Kew. The
records of individuals have to some extent been put on line and can be read
through a fee or via an ancestry.com subscription. The starting point is
usually a medal card which may give details of the dates and units served
together with a service number.

The service number may help you to locate any surviving military record.
The records for men wounded or pensioned are also filmed and online. Those
for officers have not been filmed and have to be read in the original.
Records for people (men and officers) who remained in the army for a career after
World War 1 remain with the Ministry of Defence but may be read by close
family for a fee.

Once you have the dates and the units in which a man served you may find
further information in published regimental histories or in memoirs or
diaries, either published or in the archive at the Imperial War Museum. One way
of tracking down these sources is to read a general book on a particular
battle, find reference to the unit you are interested in and then look at the
footnotes to that section.

My experience looking for records of individuals who served in my
grandfather's artillery unit is that it was a slow, painstaking process. I found
records for about half of the people I looked for. I hope this is helpful
and wish you luck.

Evelyn Wilcock
London
243 Royal Field Artillery Brigade site at
http://sites.google.com/site/4thsouthmidlandbrigade/


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Military Regimental Archives #unitedkingdom

annrab@...
 

I suggest that Chris Gould just plug in the name of the regiment he wants
into his online search engine and he will find loads of references. For
instance, the Royal Fusiliers has a Museum which is listed in the National
Archives.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=851

There are several individuals mentioned therein that he contact including
the Regimental Secretary and the Honorary Archivist.

There are also quite a number of references to books and other resources
online.

A very helpful site, The Long, Long Trail, is devoted to the British Army
that fought in the Great War (World War I). An example is the link to the
Royal Fusiliers:

http://www.1914-1918.net/royalfus.htm

This site lists the 47 battalions of the regiment and where they fought.

Another short resource is my recent posting on The Jewish Chronicle Blog,
http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/british-soldiers-great-war-1914-1918. This
gives some resources I utilized whilst doing some military research.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...
United States


Re: jcr-uk digest: November 12, 2010 World War I Research #unitedkingdom

Saul Issroff
 

This web site is very good:
http://www.1914-1918.net/labour.htm
and also gives resources for assistance.
John Starling and Ivor Lee wrote No Labour No Battle. Military Labour
During the First World War. Spellmount, 2009. Section six is on
research, very comprehensive.

I researched my great uncle mainly via the National Archives and the
Imperial War Museum archives.

Saul Issroff
London


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: jcr-uk digest: November 12, 2010 World War I Research #unitedkingdom

Saul Issroff
 

This web site is very good:
http://www.1914-1918.net/labour.htm
and also gives resources for assistance.
John Starling and Ivor Lee wrote No Labour No Battle. Military Labour
During the First World War. Spellmount, 2009. Section six is on
research, very comprehensive.

I researched my great uncle mainly via the National Archives and the
Imperial War Museum archives.

Saul Issroff
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish involvement with royal courts #general

gitty2@att.net
 

My husband's maternal gdfather was an excellent artist. While living in
UK after leaving Poland, the family always tells the story that grandpa
sketched Queen Victoria. Gert Lord Yel Spgs Ohio

Carolyn Simon <carolyn.simon@...>
snip....She was said to have always called him "der lieber Franz Josef."
snip...

MODERATOR NOTE: This subject, whilst of great interest to many, has
probably run its full course and has moved off at a tangent from
the Russian to Austrian to British royal courts. The genealogical
content is also becoming somewhat far-flung.


Re: Jewish involvement with royal courts #general

gitty2@att.net
 

My husband's maternal gdfather was an excellent artist. While living in
UK after leaving Poland, the family always tells the story that grandpa
sketched Queen Victoria. Gert Lord Yel Spgs Ohio

Carolyn Simon <carolyn.simon@...>
snip....She was said to have always called him "der lieber Franz Josef."
snip...

MODERATOR NOTE: This subject, whilst of great interest to many, has
probably run its full course and has moved off at a tangent from
the Russian to Austrian to British royal courts. The genealogical
content is also becoming somewhat far-flung.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching for Norma ZUCKERMAN #general

Steven Bloom
 

Hi,

I am looking for contact information for Norma Zuckerman, who at
least at one time, was a Jewish Gen member.
She is a cousin of mine via the Rothstein family >from the Chicago
area (Chorzele, Poland originally).

My emails to her keep getting returned.

Please contact me privately if you have information.

Thanks.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

MODERATOR NOTE: Steve, you may also wish to contact JewishGen LostNFound:
lostNfound@...


searching for Norma ZUCKERMAN #general

Steven Bloom
 

Hi,

I am looking for contact information for Norma Zuckerman, who at
least at one time, was a Jewish Gen member.
She is a cousin of mine via the Rothstein family >from the Chicago
area (Chorzele, Poland originally).

My emails to her keep getting returned.

Please contact me privately if you have information.

Thanks.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

MODERATOR NOTE: Steve, you may also wish to contact JewishGen LostNFound:
lostNfound@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking H-SIG members in Buenos Aires, Argentina #general

evdarvas@...
 

Hi!
Are there h-sig members in Buenos Aires, Argentina?
I would like to ask a couple of general questions.
Please contact me at evdarvas@...

Thanks much in advance.

Eva Darvas

Researching: Budapest; Kisber; Nagykanizsa; Naszaly; Pecs; Tata;
Kreisler; Kreutzer; Kreitzer; Schwartz;
Drach; Deutschlander; Ban/Blau;


Seeking H-SIG members in Buenos Aires, Argentina #general

evdarvas@...
 

Hi!
Are there h-sig members in Buenos Aires, Argentina?
I would like to ask a couple of general questions.
Please contact me at evdarvas@...

Thanks much in advance.

Eva Darvas

Researching: Budapest; Kisber; Nagykanizsa; Naszaly; Pecs; Tata;
Kreisler; Kreutzer; Kreitzer; Schwartz;
Drach; Deutschlander; Ban/Blau;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER-Oistrach/Skalat 18-19th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Searching for descendants of Reb David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER and
Rivka Ettel (CHASAN). David was born in Oistrach and died in Skalat
where he was a Shochet. His wife Rivka Ettel (CHASAN) lived >from 1817
-1844.

The above couple had the following children: Yaacov Gedalia
(jerusalem), Yosef (Vienna), Chaya Gita HOROWITZ, (Skalat/Jerusalem),
Raisel, Shmuel (Skalat).

David's brother, Yosef Chaim, lived in Lechevitch, and married into
the family of the Admo"r (Chassic leader) of Lechevitch.

Shaua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER-Oistrach/Skalat 18-19th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Searching for descendants of Reb David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER and
Rivka Ettel (CHASAN). David was born in Oistrach and died in Skalat
where he was a Shochet. His wife Rivka Ettel (CHASAN) lived >from 1817
-1844.

The above couple had the following children: Yaacov Gedalia
(jerusalem), Yosef (Vienna), Chaya Gita HOROWITZ, (Skalat/Jerusalem),
Raisel, Shmuel (Skalat).

David's brother, Yosef Chaim, lived in Lechevitch, and married into
the family of the Admo"r (Chassic leader) of Lechevitch.

Shaua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa #general

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on
my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family.

Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had
shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful)
search option to look only for new records
(I chose January 2010). Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped
up that could help me break through the wall.

My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in
Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of
Chaia Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations
before Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue
for Rozenstein until now.

A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie
Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899.
I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send
the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully,
the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the
clerk in Prazsnysz!

Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in
the shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one
family GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a
number of children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz,
Sura Dwoyra, Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama
and Abram Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she
was part of the same family.

The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow
(later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family
that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956
by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel
I believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew).
Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman.

As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband
Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a store/business
inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died.

If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at
MandJMeyers@....

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa #general

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on
my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family.

Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had
shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful)
search option to look only for new records
(I chose January 2010). Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped
up that could help me break through the wall.

My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in
Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of
Chaia Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations
before Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue
for Rozenstein until now.

A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie
Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899.
I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send
the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully,
the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the
clerk in Prazsnysz!

Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in
the shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one
family GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a
number of children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz,
Sura Dwoyra, Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama
and Abram Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she
was part of the same family.

The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow
(later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family
that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956
by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel
I believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew).
Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman.

As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband
Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a store/business
inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died.

If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at
MandJMeyers@....

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sevastopol Record #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

The Mormons have microfilms of church records >from Sevastopol >from
the mid 19th century and of Jewish records >from Simferopol,
1853-1917. They also have census records (reviskie skazki) for
Simferopol district (uezd), which contained Sevastopol, for 1834-1878.

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahs613 at gmail dot com

SHUKHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI , KITOGRAD (Zvenigorodka)

Hi,
Does anyone know where to locate BMD or any records >from Sevastopol
from
around 1840-1880? Did the Mormon's photograph them and are they
available.
Are they in another town and not Sevastopol?
Thanks,
Ken Rothstein
Valencia, California
krothstein@...

Ken and Ann Rothstein


Re: Sevastopol Record #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

The Mormons have microfilms of church records >from Sevastopol >from
the mid 19th century and of Jewish records >from Simferopol,
1853-1917. They also have census records (reviskie skazki) for
Simferopol district (uezd), which contained Sevastopol, for 1834-1878.

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahs613 at gmail dot com

SHUKHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI , KITOGRAD (Zvenigorodka)

Hi,
Does anyone know where to locate BMD or any records >from Sevastopol
from
around 1840-1880? Did the Mormon's photograph them and are they
available.
Are they in another town and not Sevastopol?
Thanks,
Ken Rothstein
Valencia, California
krothstein@...

Ken and Ann Rothstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Confirming Location of a Town: Ratno #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Phyllis Kramer wrote
Mady Land said her family came >from Hrubieszow and Lublin Poland. Other
records showed Ratno. "According to Jewishgen's Communities Database,the most
likely town is Ratno, Ukraine 32 miles NNW of Kovel.
This seems far >from both
snip...

Dear Phyllis,

I understand that Mady is anticipating visit to her ancestral shtetls next
year, and it appears that you may be (in a good faith) shlepping here to a
wrong places by suggesting to visit localities that were not known as
populated by our people.
Hrubieszow although sitting in the eastern edge of the Lublin Province, is
separated >from the Wolhyn Province, as all other shtetls in this region, by
the Bug River, has strong cultural and family relations with Wolhyn.
Till 1951, a few years after the end WWI, Poland and USSR have been engaged
in their borders alignment in this region, obviously Poland lost, and towns
in Wolhyn and Galicia that were anticipated to be assigned to Poland, have
be taken by Soviets, including coal fields and rich agricultural lands.

Town Wlodzimierz [Wolynskyj] currently known as Volodymyr Volynskyy, the
seat of mighty Jewish community of close to six thousands souls was the
central hub of the western Wolhyn. Town is indeed located 32 miles NW >from
Kovel in Wolhyn but this distance make it closer to Poland, 18 miles East
from Hrubieszow, and only 8 East miles >from Ustilug, the eastern outpost of
the Lublin Province (following Bug River curves).

I have located in Jewish Records Indexing -Poland database for year 1888
couple of marriage records registered in Chelm (Lublin) for the groom >from
Kowel and for the bride >from Ratno.
Obviously just a couple of marriages don't make a splash, but not all
records show the origin towns of the newlyweds and I'd like to draw
the similarity between in marriages in Tarnopol Province of Eastern Galicia
region.

Over 1600 records are showing origin of brides or grooms registered in
Tarnopol towns >from the Wolhyn region. And it should be noted that Zbruch
River that separates Tarnopol Province >from Wolhyn Province was also a
national border that separated once Austro-Hungary >from Russia. In case of
the Bug River, it was flowing through Russian Empire territory, and
Hrubieszow and Ratno were both located within the borders of the same
country.

Best Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF Editor


Re: Confirming Location of a Town: Ratno #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Phyllis Kramer wrote
Mady Land said her family came >from Hrubieszow and Lublin Poland. Other
records showed Ratno. "According to Jewishgen's Communities Database,the most
likely town is Ratno, Ukraine 32 miles NNW of Kovel.
This seems far >from both
snip...

Dear Phyllis,

I understand that Mady is anticipating visit to her ancestral shtetls next
year, and it appears that you may be (in a good faith) shlepping here to a
wrong places by suggesting to visit localities that were not known as
populated by our people.
Hrubieszow although sitting in the eastern edge of the Lublin Province, is
separated >from the Wolhyn Province, as all other shtetls in this region, by
the Bug River, has strong cultural and family relations with Wolhyn.
Till 1951, a few years after the end WWI, Poland and USSR have been engaged
in their borders alignment in this region, obviously Poland lost, and towns
in Wolhyn and Galicia that were anticipated to be assigned to Poland, have
be taken by Soviets, including coal fields and rich agricultural lands.

Town Wlodzimierz [Wolynskyj] currently known as Volodymyr Volynskyy, the
seat of mighty Jewish community of close to six thousands souls was the
central hub of the western Wolhyn. Town is indeed located 32 miles NW >from
Kovel in Wolhyn but this distance make it closer to Poland, 18 miles East
from Hrubieszow, and only 8 East miles >from Ustilug, the eastern outpost of
the Lublin Province (following Bug River curves).

I have located in Jewish Records Indexing -Poland database for year 1888
couple of marriage records registered in Chelm (Lublin) for the groom >from
Kowel and for the bride >from Ratno.
Obviously just a couple of marriages don't make a splash, but not all
records show the origin towns of the newlyweds and I'd like to draw
the similarity between in marriages in Tarnopol Province of Eastern Galicia
region.

Over 1600 records are showing origin of brides or grooms registered in
Tarnopol towns >from the Wolhyn region. And it should be noted that Zbruch
River that separates Tarnopol Province >from Wolhyn Province was also a
national border that separated once Austro-Hungary >from Russia. In case of
the Bug River, it was flowing through Russian Empire territory, and
Hrubieszow and Ratno were both located within the borders of the same
country.

Best Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF Editor