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Michele Lock
There is a clue on the naturalization form about where this person is from. He swears off allegiance to both Russia and the Republic of Poland. There was no independent Republic of Poland until after World War I. I think this naturalization form was from 1922, but it is hard to make the date out. If it is 1922, then the petitioner knew that where he lived prior to coming to the US was now within the borders of Interwar Poland. At that time, Lida was part of Poland, though now it is in Western Belarus. [The borders of modern Poland are not quite the same as those for Interwar Poland]
So possibly Lida is meant for the town name, though 'Lita' is also the Yiddish name for Lithuania. And prior to World War I, the town Lida was within the borders of the Vilna Gubernia, most of which is now within the borders of modern Lithuania. When I've been confronted with these difficult-to-interpret town names, I've found it more useful to research every other US document I can find on a person, including census records, draft cards, and even obituaries. And even more useful was searching out documents on siblings, first cousins, uncles, even children of first cousins, especially for relatives who came to the US after 1910 or so. Their documents may be more clear about where the extended family was from. Also, I would research the person 'Sorin' who your relative was going to when he arrived in the US. That would be a person he knew from the old country. I also notice there are 2-3 sentences written in the left had margin of the naturalization form, though they are hard to read. Those might prove useful, too. Michele Lock Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus |
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Michele Lock
Thanks for the updated information from everyone. In early June it will be six months since I sent in my requests, so I'll wait until then to contact them for an update.
It is interesting that the email response above from USCIS said they are taking 120-140 business days to respond to requests. If I recall correctly, the USCIS website says, at least normally, that it should take 90 days, not 90 business days. They also have no notice on the website about the extended time it is taking for them to search and respond. I work for a US federal agency, and the law we work under says 90 days for our agency to respond to various inquiries/document submissions. This is 90 calendar days, not 90 business days. This has not changed due to the Covid issue, because the law we work under has not changed. Then again, there is no law that says the USCIS must respond to genealogy requests. -- Michele Lock Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai, Lithuania Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus |
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Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race?
#dna
June Genis
Whenever I am asked to supply my race on a survey I always select Other and write in Human.
-- June Genis, 650--851-5224 Hemet, CA Researching: GENIS, OKUN, SUSMAN, ETTINGER, KESSLER/CHESLER (Russian/Polish Empires) |
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Re: How to recreate previously found Jewishgen census record UK 1851
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David Harrison <djh_119@...>
Islington is now an area within London, just to the North of The City. The Angel, Islington is a pub which has given it's name to a cross roads (road junction), now on the boundary of the Clean Air Zone, it is part of one of the present Boroughs which now
each include many (20 or 30) of these smaller areas. What you did wrong was not to understand that that the present boroughs are very large and that the London A-Z Street Map shows the smaller areas but not the borough boundaries.
David Harrison. I left London 50 years ago and live in Birmingham, England From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of r.peeters <ronpeeters311@...>
Sent: 03 April 2021 14:09 To: main@... <main@...> Subject: [JewishGen.org] How to recreate previously found Jewishgen census record UK 1851 #records Following record found before. Today accessing Unified Search : on town name Islington not found; on town name London 1 found different person ID 22406; UK census 9 records found all from Leeds; tried JCR files past week,and today again no succes.
What did I do wrong? Ron Peeters (NL) |
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Re: Help in translating birth record
#translation
#poland
Belinda,
I think the word after Snowicz is essentially the same as the word at the end and means something like resides. Then I think Lieb and Sara live in the town beginning with Remi. That's probably Remezovtsy in Russian, Remezivtsi in Ukrainian, only about 6 km from Snowicz. -- Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka), Pogrebishche) VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev) ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy) KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka) |
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Re: The old Synagogue, East-Terrace, Cardiff c. 1897
#unitedkingdom
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David Harrison <djh_119@...>
Neil and any others on the Cardiff trail
I would have thought that the records of Clubs and Societies (and similar) relating to a Synagogue were kept in the Archives. A first source to try would be the town or County Archives. Maybe some features might be kept at Welsh National level, which I would
doubt. If the Synagogue was in a British Isles grouping, such as United Synagogue, they might have their own archive; many organisations have their records at Southampton University in a special Library (the name escapes me). Main items of Jewish interest
would most likely be in the Hewish Chronicle. Some bits and bobs with links may well be known to whoever looks after records for other Synagogues, any Jewish School or Cemetery, you might need to ask as far away as Hereford, Gloucester or Bath for extant
still alive and working societies which certainly have groups which hold communal services (they are the South Wales Boundary of my own Birmingham congregation with (fairly active) members in Anglesey and Aberystwyth.
I hope this gives you some ideas,
keep safe and enjoy
David Harrison
Birmingham, England
(or GB but not UK which comes from the US of A ) From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of Neil via groups.jewishgen.org <neilgb=btinternet.com@...>
Sent: 01 April 2021 21:39 To: main@... <main@...> Subject: [JewishGen.org] The old Synagogue, East-Terrace, Cardiff c. 1897 #unitedkingdom #records Hi
I'm trying to track down any society records, and ideally photographs of the Jewish community in late 19th Century Cardiff. Has anyone come across or can direct me to where I can possibly find? In 1897 one of my ancestors married into what appears to be a relatively well-to-do family in the city, at what reads as (according to the local press) a very big ceremony. All the special for it being the last one held at the East Terrace Synagogue before it relocated to the premises on Cathedral Road. After the ceremony "the bridal party drove to the Fine At Gallery on Queen Street, where a reception was held in the evening". Sadly the local press that I've found (online) limits the description of the events to a vivid text commentary of this event. Other articles suggest a very socially and philanthropic active local community in Cardiff at the time. Grasping at straws but this might offer an avenue to getting to understand more about my relatives past lives and dare I hope see what they looked like. So all pointers, suggestions, reference books, contacts and archive help much appreciated. Many thanks Neil -- Neil Ashton London UK Interested in Locations: Berdichev/Odessa. Surnames: Nesanelis/Litinzisky (to name but two) and in the UK Levene and Brooks. |
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Vivian Kahn
Note that HANS would be pronounced Hansch in Hungarian, which is a different surname. HANCZ is pronounced like Hantz.
-- Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California Researching families including: BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ. Avas Ujvaros, Hungary/Orasu Nou, Romania KAHAN/JOSIPOVITS/DUB, Sziget, Kabolacsarda, Nagyvarad, Hungary/Sighet, Ciarda, Oradea, Romania KOHN/Zbegnyo/ Zbehnov, Tarnoka/Trnavka, Slovakia; Cleveland LEFKOVITS/Kolbasa/Brezina, Slovakia MOSKOVITS/Honkocz, Szobranc, Osztro, Kassa, Hungary/Chonkovce, Sobrance, Ostrov, Kosice, Slov., Nyiregyhaza, Hungary ELOVITS/Hornya, Hungary/Horna, Slovakia NEUMANN/Szeretva, Kereszt, Nagymihaly, Miskolc, Hung./Sobrance, Kristy, Stretavka, Michalovce, Slov. POLACSEK/Hunfalu, Hungary/Huncovce, Slovakia SPITZ/Nikolsburg/Mikulov, Prosnitz/Prostejov, Moravia/Czech Republic; Kismarton/Eisenstadt, Hungary/Austria; Hunfalu,Hungary//Huncovce, Slovakia |
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Re: Luzow? - Poland town name
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Max Heffler
I found a Jezow near there in case it was a misread of a few letters,
Max Heffler Houston, TX
From: main@... [mailto:main@...]
On Behalf Of kosfiszer8 via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 7:38 AM To: main@... Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Luzow? - Poland town name #poland
I checked around Pabianice and there are no towns with that name near by. There is a Lukow near the Belarus border, where many Jews were transported to during the 2nd WW. Angel KosfiszerRichardson, Texas-- Max Heffler |
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Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race?
#dna
Robert Hanna
I am 100% Ashkenazi. On any form that asks for race, I check other and write in "Semitic." This is probably going to start a whole new discussion on this topic but, what the heck.
Robert Hanna NYC CHANAN, HANAN, BLUMENBLAT (Poland) KARASIK, THOMASHOW, COHEN (Babruysk, Belarus) RUBINSTEIN, BUNDEROFF, PASTILNIK, NEMOYTEN, DISKIN (Minsk, Belarus) |
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Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race?
#dna
The Ancestry DNA results show that there is a sub-population of Jews (Ashkenazim) who share certain identifiable genotypical patterns. I would go one step further to say that these genotypical patterns include a commonly shared Near Eastern ancestry (however, it is important to note that this Near Eastern ancestry is not the only phylogeographic ancestry shared by Ashkenazim). Since no population is 100% homogeneous genetically, the facts presented by DNA evidence don't mesh well with socio-political concepts such as race, nationality, and minority status-- when speaking about genetic genealogy I avoid any of these terms.
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How to recreate previously found Jewishgen census record UK 1851
#records
r.peeters
Following record found before. Today accessing Unified Search : on town name Islington not found; on town name London 1 found different person ID 22406; UK census 9 records found all from Leeds; tried JCR files past week,and today again no succes.
What did I do wrong? Ron Peeters (NL) |
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Re: JRI Poland Success with JRI surname list! Wladyslawow = Wloclawek?
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Jill Whitehead
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 07:24 AM, J.R. Silver wrote:
Wladyslawow was in my ancestral area of Suwalki, NE Poland during 19th century, but it went into Lithuania in 1919 after WW1 Peace settlement.Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK |
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Re: Freud's neighbor
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Jill Whitehead
Freud lived in an apartment block in Vienna which I have visited when on holiday about 10 years ago. His home is a tourist attraction which is online. From memory, there is a fair bit of info about his neighbours in the guide books to his home. But you can also find the Vienna phone directories on Ancestry, and you could try looking these up.
Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK |
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Jill Whitehead
Lita is in a border area. It is now part of Belarus (since 1945) but has also been part of Lithuania (1918-1945) and also Suwalki gubernia in Poland in the19th century and up to WW1. My late cousin's middle name was Lita, as some of the family came from there when it was part of Suwalki.
Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK |
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Re: Freud's neighbor
#austria-czech
Andreas Schwab
Yes, indeed. https://www.genteam.eu/index.php?option=com_friedhof_ikg&id=104284&limitstart=0&view=detail&lang=en For more details you can request a registration record at the City of Vienna. Details are explained here: There is an online request form in English. -- Andreas Schwab, Montreal, Canada |
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Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race?
#dna
rroth@...
Protections? I am not clear on what those might be.
Given the history of the 20th century, I am not about to fill in a box marked "race" on any form. I have always lived in the US and have felt fairly safe here, but I understand so did our people in Germany once. ========== Robert Roth Kingston, NY rroth@... |
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Re: Luzow? - Poland town name
#poland
angel kosfiszer
I checked around Pabianice and there are no towns with that name near by. There is a Lukow near the Belarus border, where many Jews were transported to during the 2nd WW.
-- Angel KosfiszerRichardson, Texas |
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Re: Freud's neighbor
#austria-czech
alexander.burstein@...
Hi Rick,
Those things can be check in the "Adoph Lehmann's allgemeiner Wohnungs-Anzeiger (Adoph Lehmann's general appartment directory) at https://www.digital.wienbibliothek.at/wbrobv/periodical/titleinfo/5311. I checked 1908 (https://www.digital.wienbibliothek.at/wbrobv/periodical/titleinfo/229444), Volume 2 for you. Page 377 you find Max Gans-Schiller, however, it is not clear if this is the address of an appartment, his shop, or both. Anyway the address is Porzellangasse 16 which is 300m away from Berggasse 19 where Sigmund Freud lived. It could be that somebody mixed "near to the house of Dr. Freud" with "in the house of Dr. Freud. Or the given address was just the shop and the Glas-Schiller family did not want to make their private address public. Kindest regards, Alexander Burstein BA Historian |
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Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race?
#dna
Steven Usdansky
My response to the race question is "Human"
-- Steven Usdansky usdanskys@... researching Usdansky, Turetzky, Sinienski, Sigler, Namenwirth |
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Cheryl <che13@...>
My maiden name is Hantz and I was told that it could have been spelled Hanz. My GG family was from Hungary/Czechoslovakia. My family is Jewish and we always thought that our last name sounded German and not Hungarian. I heard stories that my Great Grandfather's family may have originally been from Austria. I have hit so many road blocks trying to find info on this side of my family. Good luck with your search.
Cheryl Hantz-Tanenbaum Florida |
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