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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories? #lithuania

Peter Cohen <pcohen@...>
 

Let's just say that Warsaw is in Poland, so if you are walking to
Warsaw >from Chelm, you are probably not starting in Lithuania.

Also, the traditional Litvak was seen as a more intellectual (or
"stuffy", depending on which side of the fence you were on) and so,
one could decide that the Chelm stories were done by Litvaks mocking
Galitzianers.

But, I have always heard that the Chelm of the Chelm stories was a
mythical place.

Peter Cohen
Pleasanton, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Weinstein <stephenweinstein@...>
Sent: Nov 13, 2010 8:56 PM
To: LitvakSIG <litvaksig@...>
Subject: [litvaksig] Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy
tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually
turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not
realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical
to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town
a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different,
identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates
charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband
never returned.

As a child, I thought it was a fictional place.

I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded
like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc.

Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories?

Stephen Weinstein

Camarillo, CA, USA


Re: Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories? #poland

Peter Cohen <pcohen@...>
 

Let's just say that Warsaw is in Poland, so if you are walking to
Warsaw >from Chelm, you are probably not starting in Lithuania.

Also, the traditional Litvak was seen as a more intellectual (or
"stuffy", depending on which side of the fence you were on) and so,
one could decide that the Chelm stories were done by Litvaks mocking
Galitzianers.

But, I have always heard that the Chelm of the Chelm stories was a
mythical place.

Peter Cohen
Pleasanton, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Weinstein <stephenweinstein@...>
Sent: Nov 13, 2010 8:56 PM
To: LitvakSIG <litvaksig@...>
Subject: [litvaksig] Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy
tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually
turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not
realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical
to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town
a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different,
identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates
charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband
never returned.

As a child, I thought it was a fictional place.

I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded
like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc.

Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories?

Stephen Weinstein

Camarillo, CA, USA


JRI Poland #Poland Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories? #poland

Stephen Weinstein
 

As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy
tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually
turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not
realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical
to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their
town a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a
different, identical person, >from an identical town. The town then
appropriates charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her
"real" husband never returned.

As a child, I thought it was a fictional place.

I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded
like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc.

Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories?

Stephen Weinstein

Camarillo, CA, USA


Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories? #poland

Stephen Weinstein
 

As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy
tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually
turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not
realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical
to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their
town a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a
different, identical person, >from an identical town. The town then
appropriates charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her
"real" husband never returned.

As a child, I thought it was a fictional place.

I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded
like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc.

Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories?

Stephen Weinstein

Camarillo, CA, USA


JRI Poland #Poland Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


JRI Poland #Poland seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa #poland

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on
my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family.

Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had
shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful)
search option to look only for new records (I chose January 2010).
Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped up that could help
me break through the wall.

My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in
Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of Chaia
Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations before
Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue for Rozenstein until
now.

A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie
Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899.
I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send
the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully,
the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the
clerk in Prazsnysz!

Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in
the Shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one family
GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a number of
children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz, Sura Dwoyra,
Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama and Abram
Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she was part
of the same family.

The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow
(later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family
that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956
by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel I
believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew).
Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman.

As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband
Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a
store/business inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died.

If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at
<MandJMeyers@...>.

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa #poland

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on
my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family.

Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had
shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful)
search option to look only for new records (I chose January 2010).
Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped up that could help
me break through the wall.

My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in
Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of Chaia
Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations before
Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue for Rozenstein until
now.

A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie
Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899.
I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send
the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully,
the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the
clerk in Prazsnysz!

Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in
the Shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one family
GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a number of
children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz, Sura Dwoyra,
Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama and Abram
Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she was part
of the same family.

The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow
(later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family
that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956
by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel I
believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew).
Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman.

As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband
Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a
store/business inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died.

If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at
<MandJMeyers@...>.

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


JRI Poland #Poland 2 Day Symposium - "The Jews of Krakow" in London, UK #poland

Michael Hoffman
 

The Institute for Polish Jewish Studies, London, UK is having an event on
Sunday 12 and Monday 13 December 2010 called "The Jews of Krakow" An
International Symposium, see the Events page at
http://www.polishjewishstudies.pl/events.html for full details.

The first day is at the London Jewish Cultural Centre (LJCC) at Ivy House,
the second day is at the Polish Embassy in Portland Place, W11JH.
Pre-registration is required for both days.

Regards,

Michael Hoffman
JGS of Great Britain, Regional Groups & SIGs Coordinator

Researching,
HOFFMAN, OCHMAN, OFFMAN, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK
OSTROFSKY, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK
BERGER, Grabow/Grabowo/Grabova, Poland, USA
SCHAMROTH, SHAMROTH, SHAMROCK, Krakow, UK, USA


2 Day Symposium - "The Jews of Krakow" in London, UK #poland

Michael Hoffman
 

The Institute for Polish Jewish Studies, London, UK is having an event on
Sunday 12 and Monday 13 December 2010 called "The Jews of Krakow" An
International Symposium, see the Events page at
http://www.polishjewishstudies.pl/events.html for full details.

The first day is at the London Jewish Cultural Centre (LJCC) at Ivy House,
the second day is at the Polish Embassy in Portland Place, W11JH.
Pre-registration is required for both days.

Regards,

Michael Hoffman
JGS of Great Britain, Regional Groups & SIGs Coordinator

Researching,
HOFFMAN, OCHMAN, OFFMAN, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK
OSTROFSKY, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK
BERGER, Grabow/Grabowo/Grabova, Poland, USA
SCHAMROTH, SHAMROTH, SHAMROCK, Krakow, UK, USA


JRI Poland #Poland Re:Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time . Girls schools in Warsaw #poland

Nicole Berline <nicole.berline@...>
 

In the 1913/1914 Warsaw Business Directory
which you can reach with Logan Kleinwaks search engine
http://genealogyindexer.org/frame/d216/13/d
there is a list of schools for girls ( 7 kl) with their adresses.
Zakady naukoweskie w Warszawie.
I do not know what was a 7 Kl school in 1913 Warsaw.
Could one of our senior polish researchers tell us ?

Regards
Nicole BERLINE, Paris


Subject: Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time in Warsaw

From: Mikhail Matusov<misomaja@...>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:19:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear all,

Thanks to the help of Nicole Berlin I was able to locate addresses
where I believe the family of my grandmother lived in Warsaw between
1909 and 1915. The main address was Nalewki 20, and there is another
address on Rybaki 2, where I believe one of grandmother's brothers
stayed. I understand that Nalewki was later in the middle of the
Warsaw getto. I was wondering if there is a chance that any original
buildings survived? Also, is there any information on schools in that
area at that time? My grandmother was 7 years old when they moved to
Warsaw and I know that she attended some school there. I would like to
be able to locate possible schools...

Thanks,
Mikhail Matoussov
Ottawa, ON



Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time . Girls schools in Warsaw #poland

Nicole Berline <nicole.berline@...>
 

In the 1913/1914 Warsaw Business Directory
which you can reach with Logan Kleinwaks search engine
http://genealogyindexer.org/frame/d216/13/d
there is a list of schools for girls ( 7 kl) with their adresses.
Zakady naukoweskie w Warszawie.
I do not know what was a 7 Kl school in 1913 Warsaw.
Could one of our senior polish researchers tell us ?

Regards
Nicole BERLINE, Paris


Subject: Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time in Warsaw

From: Mikhail Matusov<misomaja@...>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:19:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear all,

Thanks to the help of Nicole Berlin I was able to locate addresses
where I believe the family of my grandmother lived in Warsaw between
1909 and 1915. The main address was Nalewki 20, and there is another
address on Rybaki 2, where I believe one of grandmother's brothers
stayed. I understand that Nalewki was later in the middle of the
Warsaw getto. I was wondering if there is a chance that any original
buildings survived? Also, is there any information on schools in that
area at that time? My grandmother was 7 years old when they moved to
Warsaw and I know that she attended some school there. I would like to
be able to locate possible schools...

Thanks,
Mikhail Matoussov
Ottawa, ON



Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #lodz #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #lodz #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #lithuania

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #lithuania

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories? #lithuania

Stephen Weinstein
 

As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy
tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually
turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not
realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical
to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town
a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different,
identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates
charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband
never returned.

As a child, I thought it was a fictional place.

I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded
like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc.

Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories?

Stephen Weinstein

Camarillo, CA, USA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Your moderator hopes you will forgive the interjection
of a bit of opinion here, but since Litvaks are generally known for their
smarts, one might say that the denizens of the folk tale are perhaps the
examplar of anti-Litvaks.


Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories? #lithuania

Stephen Weinstein
 

As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy
tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually
turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not
realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical
to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town
a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different,
identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates
charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband
never returned.

As a child, I thought it was a fictional place.

I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded
like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc.

Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories?

Stephen Weinstein

Camarillo, CA, USA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Your moderator hopes you will forgive the interjection
of a bit of opinion here, but since Litvaks are generally known for their
smarts, one might say that the denizens of the folk tale are perhaps the
examplar of anti-Litvaks.