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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?
#lithuania
Peter Cohen <pcohen@...>
Let's just say that Warsaw is in Poland, so if you are walking to
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Warsaw >from Chelm, you are probably not starting in Lithuania. Also, the traditional Litvak was seen as a more intellectual (or "stuffy", depending on which side of the fence you were on) and so, one could decide that the Chelm stories were done by Litvaks mocking Galitzianers. But, I have always heard that the Chelm of the Chelm stories was a mythical place. Peter Cohen Pleasanton, CA
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Re: Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?
#poland
Peter Cohen <pcohen@...>
Let's just say that Warsaw is in Poland, so if you are walking to
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Warsaw >from Chelm, you are probably not starting in Lithuania. Also, the traditional Litvak was seen as a more intellectual (or "stuffy", depending on which side of the fence you were on) and so, one could decide that the Chelm stories were done by Litvaks mocking Galitzianers. But, I have always heard that the Chelm of the Chelm stories was a mythical place. Peter Cohen Pleasanton, CA
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From: Stephen Weinstein <stephenweinstein@...>
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JRI Poland #Poland Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?
#poland
Stephen Weinstein
As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different, identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband never returned. As a child, I thought it was a fictional place. I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc. Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories? Stephen Weinstein Camarillo, CA, USA
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Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?
#poland
Stephen Weinstein
As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different, identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband never returned. As a child, I thought it was a fictional place. I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc. Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories? Stephen Weinstein Camarillo, CA, USA
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JRI Poland #Poland Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1
#poland
Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1
#poland
Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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JRI Poland #Poland seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa
#poland
MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family. Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful) search option to look only for new records (I chose January 2010). Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped up that could help me break through the wall. My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of Chaia Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations before Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue for Rozenstein until now. A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899. I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully, the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the clerk in Prazsnysz! Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in the Shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one family GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a number of children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz, Sura Dwoyra, Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama and Abram Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she was part of the same family. The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow (later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956 by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel I believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew). Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman. As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a store/business inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died. If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at <MandJMeyers@...>. Marty Meyers Montclair, NJ
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seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa
#poland
MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family. Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful) search option to look only for new records (I chose January 2010). Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped up that could help me break through the wall. My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of Chaia Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations before Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue for Rozenstein until now. A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899. I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully, the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the clerk in Prazsnysz! Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in the Shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one family GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a number of children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz, Sura Dwoyra, Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama and Abram Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she was part of the same family. The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow (later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956 by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel I believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew). Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman. As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a store/business inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died. If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at <MandJMeyers@...>. Marty Meyers Montclair, NJ
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JRI Poland #Poland 2 Day Symposium - "The Jews of Krakow" in London, UK
#poland
Michael Hoffman
The Institute for Polish Jewish Studies, London, UK is having an event on
Sunday 12 and Monday 13 December 2010 called "The Jews of Krakow" An International Symposium, see the Events page at http://www.polishjewishstudies.pl/events.html for full details. The first day is at the London Jewish Cultural Centre (LJCC) at Ivy House, the second day is at the Polish Embassy in Portland Place, W11JH. Pre-registration is required for both days. Regards, Michael Hoffman JGS of Great Britain, Regional Groups & SIGs Coordinator Researching, HOFFMAN, OCHMAN, OFFMAN, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK OSTROFSKY, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK BERGER, Grabow/Grabowo/Grabova, Poland, USA SCHAMROTH, SHAMROTH, SHAMROCK, Krakow, UK, USA
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2 Day Symposium - "The Jews of Krakow" in London, UK
#poland
Michael Hoffman
The Institute for Polish Jewish Studies, London, UK is having an event on
Sunday 12 and Monday 13 December 2010 called "The Jews of Krakow" An International Symposium, see the Events page at http://www.polishjewishstudies.pl/events.html for full details. The first day is at the London Jewish Cultural Centre (LJCC) at Ivy House, the second day is at the Polish Embassy in Portland Place, W11JH. Pre-registration is required for both days. Regards, Michael Hoffman JGS of Great Britain, Regional Groups & SIGs Coordinator Researching, HOFFMAN, OCHMAN, OFFMAN, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK OSTROFSKY, Kiev, Belaya Tserkov, Ukraine, UK BERGER, Grabow/Grabowo/Grabova, Poland, USA SCHAMROTH, SHAMROTH, SHAMROCK, Krakow, UK, USA
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JRI Poland #Poland Re:Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time . Girls schools in Warsaw
#poland
Nicole Berline <nicole.berline@...>
In the 1913/1914 Warsaw Business Directory
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which you can reach with Logan Kleinwaks search engine http://genealogyindexer.org/frame/d216/13/d there is a list of schools for girls ( 7 kl) with their adresses. Zakady naukoweskie w Warszawie. I do not know what was a 7 Kl school in 1913 Warsaw. Could one of our senior polish researchers tell us ? Regards Nicole BERLINE, Paris Subject: Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time in Warsaw
From: Mikhail Matusov<misomaja@...>
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Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time . Girls schools in Warsaw
#poland
Nicole Berline <nicole.berline@...>
In the 1913/1914 Warsaw Business Directory
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which you can reach with Logan Kleinwaks search engine http://genealogyindexer.org/frame/d216/13/d there is a list of schools for girls ( 7 kl) with their adresses. Zakady naukoweskie w Warszawie. I do not know what was a 7 Kl school in 1913 Warsaw. Could one of our senior polish researchers tell us ? Regards Nicole BERLINE, Paris Subject: Re: Seeking info re my ggm's time in Warsaw
From: Mikhail Matusov<misomaja@...>
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Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1
#poland
Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1
#poland
Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1
#lithuania
Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1
#lithuania
Phyllis Kramer
Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself! If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use it. Requirements: 1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse, etc. 2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just someone who has used those programs or programs like them. 3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and practice making web pages The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions, please email JewishGen-Education@... Phyllis Kramer V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc. Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education phylliskramer1@...
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?
#lithuania
Stephen Weinstein
As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different, identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband never returned. As a child, I thought it was a fictional place. I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc. Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories? Stephen Weinstein Camarillo, CA, USA MODERATOR'S NOTE: Your moderator hopes you will forgive the interjection of a bit of opinion here, but since Litvaks are generally known for their smarts, one might say that the denizens of the folk tale are perhaps the examplar of anti-Litvaks.
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Which Khelm was the place in the children's stories?
#lithuania
Stephen Weinstein
As a child, I was told stories about a place with name that sounded like
Khelm or Kelm and very stupid residents. For example, in one story, a guy tries to walk to Warsaw (which suggests this was in Poland), but actually turns around and finds himself where he started. However, he does not realize his mistake and is convinced that he is in another town identical to the town he left. The town recognizes him as someone who left their town a few days earlier, but he convinces the entire town that he is a different, identical person, >from an identical town. The town then appropriates charity for his wife, because he has convinced them that her "real" husband never returned. As a child, I thought it was a fictional place. I later learned that there were many real places with names that sounded like Khelm or Kelm, for example, Kelme in Lithuania, Chelm in Poland, etc. Does anyone know which place was the one in the stories? Stephen Weinstein Camarillo, CA, USA MODERATOR'S NOTE: Your moderator hopes you will forgive the interjection of a bit of opinion here, but since Litvaks are generally known for their smarts, one might say that the denizens of the folk tale are perhaps the examplar of anti-Litvaks.
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