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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER-Oistrach/Skalat 18-19th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Searching for descendants of Reb David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER and
Rivka Ettel (CHASAN). David was born in Oistrach and died in Skalat
where he was a Shochet. His wife Rivka Ettel (CHASAN) lived >from 1817
-1844.

The above couple had the following children: Yaacov Gedalia
(jerusalem), Yosef (Vienna), Chaya Gita HOROWITZ, (Skalat/Jerusalem),
Raisel, Shmuel (Skalat).

David's brother, Yosef Chaim, lived in Lechevitch, and married into
the family of the Admo"r (Chassic leader) of Lechevitch.

Shaua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER-Oistrach/Skalat 18-19th cent. #general

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

Searching for descendants of Reb David (ben Yisrael) SCHECHTER and
Rivka Ettel (CHASAN). David was born in Oistrach and died in Skalat
where he was a Shochet. His wife Rivka Ettel (CHASAN) lived >from 1817
-1844.

The above couple had the following children: Yaacov Gedalia
(jerusalem), Yosef (Vienna), Chaya Gita HOROWITZ, (Skalat/Jerusalem),
Raisel, Shmuel (Skalat).

David's brother, Yosef Chaim, lived in Lechevitch, and married into
the family of the Admo"r (Chassic leader) of Lechevitch.

Shaua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa #general

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on
my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family.

Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had
shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful)
search option to look only for new records
(I chose January 2010). Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped
up that could help me break through the wall.

My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in
Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of
Chaia Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations
before Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue
for Rozenstein until now.

A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie
Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899.
I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send
the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully,
the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the
clerk in Prazsnysz!

Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in
the shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one
family GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a
number of children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz,
Sura Dwoyra, Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama
and Abram Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she
was part of the same family.

The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow
(later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family
that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956
by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel
I believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew).
Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman.

As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband
Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a store/business
inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died.

If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at
MandJMeyers@....

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


seeking: HAMBURGER from Radzanow/Mlawa #general

MandJMeyers <mandjmeyers@...>
 

Leaving some brick walls behind in my search for my ROZENSZTEYN family
said to be >from Janowa (near Mlawa), I've recently been off hunting on
my father's side researching Vilna LANDSMAN and FAJNBERG family.

Today, I decided to re-visit JRI-Poland and see if anything new had
shown up, so I searched my key family names with the (wonderfully useful)
search option to look only for new records
(I chose January 2010). Amazingly, one key record seems to have popped
up that could help me break through the wall.

My GGG-GM Chaia Sura Rozenstein married Juda Lejb Zylberman and lived in
Przasnysz. While lots of records exist, not a one give the names of
Chaia Sura's parents, so I can track Zylberman back 6 more generations
before Juda Lejb around Przasnysz, but there has been no clue
for Rozenstein until now.

A newly updated record shows my GG-GM's brother Icek Majer (Itchie
Meir) ZYLBERMAN marrying a Brucha Ita GAMBURGER in Radzanow in 1899.
I will order this record >from the Mlawa archives as fast as I can send
the electrons >from the email to PSA at the Mlawa archives. Hopefully,
the clerk there in 1899 captured more Rozenstein family data than the
clerk in Prazsnysz!

Unfortunately, we also know that Itchie Meir and his family perished in
the shoah. A search of JRI-Poland shows what is apparently only one
family GAMBURGER in Radzanow. Eliasz Icek and his wife Szajna had a
number of children in Radzanow in the 1860-1880 period including Hersz,
Sura Dwoyra, Brana Ester, Zelman, Laia Bluma, Josek Berek, Chil, Szlama
and Abram Szyia. There is no birth record for Brucha Ita but I assume she
was part of the same family.

The shoah database finds also one Gamburger/Hamburger family in Radzanow
(later in Mlawa). Abram Szyia, b. 1876 married Ester and had a large family
that mostly perished in the Shoah. Pages of testimony were submitted in 1956
by Abram Szyia's son Tzvi Hamburger, who survived and lived in Israel
I believe (I can't quite tell >from the page of testimony which is in Hebrew).
Tzvi would have been the nephew of Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman.

As I understand it, Brucha Ita (nee Hamburger) Zylberman and her husband
Itchie Meir lived in Przasnysz where they eventually took over a store/business
inherited >from Juda Lejb when he died.

If any of this is familiar, please contact me privately at
MandJMeyers@....

Marty Meyers
Montclair, NJ


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Sevastopol Record #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

The Mormons have microfilms of church records >from Sevastopol >from
the mid 19th century and of Jewish records >from Simferopol,
1853-1917. They also have census records (reviskie skazki) for
Simferopol district (uezd), which contained Sevastopol, for 1834-1878.

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahs613 at gmail dot com

SHUKHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI , KITOGRAD (Zvenigorodka)

Hi,
Does anyone know where to locate BMD or any records >from Sevastopol
from
around 1840-1880? Did the Mormon's photograph them and are they
available.
Are they in another town and not Sevastopol?
Thanks,
Ken Rothstein
Valencia, California
krothstein@...

Ken and Ann Rothstein


Re: Sevastopol Record #ukraine

Alan Shuchat
 

The Mormons have microfilms of church records >from Sevastopol >from
the mid 19th century and of Jewish records >from Simferopol,
1853-1917. They also have census records (reviskie skazki) for
Simferopol district (uezd), which contained Sevastopol, for 1834-1878.

Alan Shuchat, Newton, Mass.
ahs613 at gmail dot com

SHUKHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoye), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI , KITOGRAD (Zvenigorodka)

Hi,
Does anyone know where to locate BMD or any records >from Sevastopol
from
around 1840-1880? Did the Mormon's photograph them and are they
available.
Are they in another town and not Sevastopol?
Thanks,
Ken Rothstein
Valencia, California
krothstein@...

Ken and Ann Rothstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Confirming Location of a Town: Ratno #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Phyllis Kramer wrote
Mady Land said her family came >from Hrubieszow and Lublin Poland. Other
records showed Ratno. "According to Jewishgen's Communities Database,the most
likely town is Ratno, Ukraine 32 miles NNW of Kovel.
This seems far >from both
snip...

Dear Phyllis,

I understand that Mady is anticipating visit to her ancestral shtetls next
year, and it appears that you may be (in a good faith) shlepping here to a
wrong places by suggesting to visit localities that were not known as
populated by our people.
Hrubieszow although sitting in the eastern edge of the Lublin Province, is
separated >from the Wolhyn Province, as all other shtetls in this region, by
the Bug River, has strong cultural and family relations with Wolhyn.
Till 1951, a few years after the end WWI, Poland and USSR have been engaged
in their borders alignment in this region, obviously Poland lost, and towns
in Wolhyn and Galicia that were anticipated to be assigned to Poland, have
be taken by Soviets, including coal fields and rich agricultural lands.

Town Wlodzimierz [Wolynskyj] currently known as Volodymyr Volynskyy, the
seat of mighty Jewish community of close to six thousands souls was the
central hub of the western Wolhyn. Town is indeed located 32 miles NW >from
Kovel in Wolhyn but this distance make it closer to Poland, 18 miles East
from Hrubieszow, and only 8 East miles >from Ustilug, the eastern outpost of
the Lublin Province (following Bug River curves).

I have located in Jewish Records Indexing -Poland database for year 1888
couple of marriage records registered in Chelm (Lublin) for the groom >from
Kowel and for the bride >from Ratno.
Obviously just a couple of marriages don't make a splash, but not all
records show the origin towns of the newlyweds and I'd like to draw
the similarity between in marriages in Tarnopol Province of Eastern Galicia
region.

Over 1600 records are showing origin of brides or grooms registered in
Tarnopol towns >from the Wolhyn region. And it should be noted that Zbruch
River that separates Tarnopol Province >from Wolhyn Province was also a
national border that separated once Austro-Hungary >from Russia. In case of
the Bug River, it was flowing through Russian Empire territory, and
Hrubieszow and Ratno were both located within the borders of the same
country.

Best Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF Editor


Re: Confirming Location of a Town: Ratno #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Phyllis Kramer wrote
Mady Land said her family came >from Hrubieszow and Lublin Poland. Other
records showed Ratno. "According to Jewishgen's Communities Database,the most
likely town is Ratno, Ukraine 32 miles NNW of Kovel.
This seems far >from both
snip...

Dear Phyllis,

I understand that Mady is anticipating visit to her ancestral shtetls next
year, and it appears that you may be (in a good faith) shlepping here to a
wrong places by suggesting to visit localities that were not known as
populated by our people.
Hrubieszow although sitting in the eastern edge of the Lublin Province, is
separated >from the Wolhyn Province, as all other shtetls in this region, by
the Bug River, has strong cultural and family relations with Wolhyn.
Till 1951, a few years after the end WWI, Poland and USSR have been engaged
in their borders alignment in this region, obviously Poland lost, and towns
in Wolhyn and Galicia that were anticipated to be assigned to Poland, have
be taken by Soviets, including coal fields and rich agricultural lands.

Town Wlodzimierz [Wolynskyj] currently known as Volodymyr Volynskyy, the
seat of mighty Jewish community of close to six thousands souls was the
central hub of the western Wolhyn. Town is indeed located 32 miles NW >from
Kovel in Wolhyn but this distance make it closer to Poland, 18 miles East
from Hrubieszow, and only 8 East miles >from Ustilug, the eastern outpost of
the Lublin Province (following Bug River curves).

I have located in Jewish Records Indexing -Poland database for year 1888
couple of marriage records registered in Chelm (Lublin) for the groom >from
Kowel and for the bride >from Ratno.
Obviously just a couple of marriages don't make a splash, but not all
records show the origin towns of the newlyweds and I'd like to draw
the similarity between in marriages in Tarnopol Province of Eastern Galicia
region.

Over 1600 records are showing origin of brides or grooms registered in
Tarnopol towns >from the Wolhyn region. And it should be noted that Zbruch
River that separates Tarnopol Province >from Wolhyn Province was also a
national border that separated once Austro-Hungary >from Russia. In case of
the Bug River, it was flowing through Russian Empire territory, and
Hrubieszow and Ratno were both located within the borders of the same
country.

Best Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF Editor


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kamenets Podolsk Archive #ukraine

Martin Davis (com)
 

Dear Genners - I think I have replied to everyone individually but in case I
have not, thanks to all those who have come up with suggestions for further
research into the Kamenets Podolsk archives and also recommendations for
researchers. I will be following all the leads.

One general thing that has come out of this is that there does not seem to
have been much improvement in access to these records since the fire at the
local archive in Kamenets Podolsk in 2003; although there is ongoing
restoration work to the extant material in Khmelnytsky. However, individual
Genners have managed to get access to relevant documents, normally through
the assistance of privately hired researchers, and in one case have managed
to track ancestors back to 1720. Definitely an incentive!

Martin Davis - London (UK)
Researching: Leiferman, Goldschmidt, Levy (Kamenets Podolsk)


Kamenets Podolsk Archive #ukraine

Martin Davis (com)
 

Dear Genners - I think I have replied to everyone individually but in case I
have not, thanks to all those who have come up with suggestions for further
research into the Kamenets Podolsk archives and also recommendations for
researchers. I will be following all the leads.

One general thing that has come out of this is that there does not seem to
have been much improvement in access to these records since the fire at the
local archive in Kamenets Podolsk in 2003; although there is ongoing
restoration work to the extant material in Khmelnytsky. However, individual
Genners have managed to get access to relevant documents, normally through
the assistance of privately hired researchers, and in one case have managed
to track ancestors back to 1720. Definitely an incentive!

Martin Davis - London (UK)
Researching: Leiferman, Goldschmidt, Levy (Kamenets Podolsk)


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Chasan Sofer #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Dear colleagues

Was the chasan sofer related to the Chasam Sofer? Also, did the
cheshev sofer or daas sofer author seforim on the Chumash?

B Weill


Chasan Sofer #rabbinic

Bernard Weill
 

Dear colleagues

Was the chasan sofer related to the Chasam Sofer? Also, did the
cheshev sofer or daas sofer author seforim on the Chumash?

B Weill


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Details re: Crown rabbi PUMPIANSKI? #rabbinic

Richard Pompian <rpompian@...>
 

A brief article about Russian government rabbi and author Aaron Elijah ben
Aryeh Loeb PUMPIANSKI was included in the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1914. He
was born at Wilna in 1835 and died at Riga April 26, 1893. He graduated
from the rabbinical school in Wilna in 1859. He was government rabbi of
Ponevezh, government of Kovno, 1861-1873, and then of Riga >from 1873 till
his death. The JE article lists his publications and sources for the
article. Does anyone have any additional information about this person,
particularly data regarding parents, spouse and descendents (if any), other
names by which he might have been known, and where he was buried?
Alternately or in addition, is anyone aware of a listing (probably Imperial
Russian) of government rabbis in Lithuania and/or Latvia. Thank you.
Richard Pompian
rpompian@...


Details re: Crown rabbi PUMPIANSKI? #rabbinic

Richard Pompian <rpompian@...>
 

A brief article about Russian government rabbi and author Aaron Elijah ben
Aryeh Loeb PUMPIANSKI was included in the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1914. He
was born at Wilna in 1835 and died at Riga April 26, 1893. He graduated
from the rabbinical school in Wilna in 1859. He was government rabbi of
Ponevezh, government of Kovno, 1861-1873, and then of Riga >from 1873 till
his death. The JE article lists his publications and sources for the
article. Does anyone have any additional information about this person,
particularly data regarding parents, spouse and descendents (if any), other
names by which he might have been known, and where he was buried?
Alternately or in addition, is anyone aware of a listing (probably Imperial
Russian) of government rabbis in Lithuania and/or Latvia. Thank you.
Richard Pompian
rpompian@...


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RE: Kevarim of the Ta"Z and Be'er HaGolah #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

Benjamin Gabriel Gelman <benjamin.gelman@...> wrote:

I am trying to find out if the kevarim of the Ta"Z (R' David HaLevi) and the
Be'er HaGolah (R' Moshe Rivkes) are still intact, where they are buried, and
if there are any photographs of their kevarim.
The Taz was buried in Lvov (Lemberg), now in Ukraine. The cemetery
was destroyed in WWII. The Be'er HaGolah was buried in Vilna. At some time,
the Russians were planning to convert that cemetery into a park. Thereupon,
a number of Chabad Chassidim took upon themselves the task of transferring
as many graves as they could to a new location. A number of famous people
were moved, namely the Gra, his wife, daughter, the Chayyei Adam, the ashes
of the Vilna Ger Tzeddek, and Rav Chayim Ozer Grodzenski were moved. If any
other graves were moved, I don't know. If the Be'er HaGolah was not moved,
his grave is now unknown.

It is probable that Agudath Israel of America has information on
this and similar topics because Rabbi Chaskel Besser zt"l was the
Presidential advisor on Jewish graves in Europe. The phone number of Agudath
Israel in New York is (212) 797-9000.

Mordechai Perlman


Re: Kevarim of the Ta"Z and Be'er HaGolah #rabbinic

Mordechai Perlman
 

Benjamin Gabriel Gelman <benjamin.gelman@...> wrote:

I am trying to find out if the kevarim of the Ta"Z (R' David HaLevi) and the
Be'er HaGolah (R' Moshe Rivkes) are still intact, where they are buried, and
if there are any photographs of their kevarim.
The Taz was buried in Lvov (Lemberg), now in Ukraine. The cemetery
was destroyed in WWII. The Be'er HaGolah was buried in Vilna. At some time,
the Russians were planning to convert that cemetery into a park. Thereupon,
a number of Chabad Chassidim took upon themselves the task of transferring
as many graves as they could to a new location. A number of famous people
were moved, namely the Gra, his wife, daughter, the Chayyei Adam, the ashes
of the Vilna Ger Tzeddek, and Rav Chayim Ozer Grodzenski were moved. If any
other graves were moved, I don't know. If the Be'er HaGolah was not moved,
his grave is now unknown.

It is probable that Agudath Israel of America has information on
this and similar topics because Rabbi Chaskel Besser zt"l was the
Presidential advisor on Jewish graves in Europe. The phone number of Agudath
Israel in New York is (212) 797-9000.

Mordechai Perlman


Re: FamilyTreeDNA: All the results for Y-DNA, MTDNA and familyfinder #dna

Marsha Epstein <marsha.epstein@...>
 

Everyone who submits a sample to Family Tree DNA is supposed to have a
backup email address. If you email their names to
info@... , they may be able to forward your email to the
backup email address. If you are part of a DNA surname group, the
group administrator can do that also.
Marsha Epstein
Los Angeles
Co-Administrator of the Epstein Surname DNA Project at FTDNA
Researching EPSTEIN, RABKIN, BERESKIN, BRISKIN >from Babruysk, Belarus,
WALDMAN, STIRLISKA and SVERDLOV >from Kornin, Ukraine and SALITRANIK

from Izyaslav, Ukraine
I complained about the people to whom I have very close match, but who not
answer my mails.


DNA Research #DNA Re: FamilyTreeDNA: All the results for Y-DNA, MTDNA and familyfinder #dna

Marsha Epstein <marsha.epstein@...>
 

Everyone who submits a sample to Family Tree DNA is supposed to have a
backup email address. If you email their names to
info@... , they may be able to forward your email to the
backup email address. If you are part of a DNA surname group, the
group administrator can do that also.
Marsha Epstein
Los Angeles
Co-Administrator of the Epstein Surname DNA Project at FTDNA
Researching EPSTEIN, RABKIN, BERESKIN, BRISKIN >from Babruysk, Belarus,
WALDMAN, STIRLISKA and SVERDLOV >from Kornin, Ukraine and SALITRANIK

from Izyaslav, Ukraine
I complained about the people to whom I have very close match, but who not
answer my mails.


#Ciechanow #Poland Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #ciechanow #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...


Shtetlinks Course will begin Dec 1 #ciechanow #poland

Phyllis Kramer
 

Do you have a lot of genealogical material to share and want to put it
on the web, but don't know how? Have you waited for someone to create
a ShtetLinks site for your town, but no one has? Do it yourself!

If you have basic computer skills, that's all you need to start making
web pages. We will use a free, downloadable, simple-to-use web page
editor to create our pages so you don't have to buy expensive
software. This editor runs on both PCs (all versions of Windows) and
Macs (OS X 10.2 or later), so practically everyone will be able to use
it.

Requirements:

1) You must have basic computer skills such as knowing how to click on
hyperlinks and how to "copy and paste" text using a computer mouse,
etc.

2) You must be comfortable with using a web browser like Internet
Explorer or Safari, and with using a word processing program like
Microsoft Word or WordPerfect. You don't have to be an expert, just
someone who has used those programs or programs like them.

3) And you'll need about 4-5 hours each week to read the lessons and
practice making web pages

The tuition is $36 and you can pay online by clicking on the Enroll
Link on the education page at www.jewishgen.org/education. You can pay
online with our secure credit card system. If you have any questions,
please email JewishGen-Education@...

Phyllis Kramer
V.P.Education, JewishGen Inc.
Education Website: http://www.jewishgen.org/education
phylliskramer1@...