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Re: How many "first names" did people have?
#names
This may not apply to your fact pattern, but I have sometimes seen the patronymic style of naming, A ben B, turned into the name A B. In other words the father's given name becomes the surname of the son. In this instance, perhaps Yeruchim is Yeruchim Elkhanan (or just Chanan) ben Tsvi Girsh, which then becomes Yeruchim Tsvi or Yeruchim GIrsh on various records, while to his family he remains known as Chona.
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Re: Photo of headstone in Portsmouth needed, please
#unitedkingdom
There are a few photos of headstones in the Fawcett Road Cemetery in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England. The cemetery is actually in Southsea which is adjacent to Portsmouth but the community was one.
If you go to the following website it might help. www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2620771/old-jewish-cemetery/photo0771/ Best regards for 2021 Martyn Woolf |
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mandy.molava@...
I have some old family photos - coloured - one oil painting with a Chinese outfit on and a photo that appears caricature type. I just wondered if anyone knew of these? What year? One of mine will have been for sure before 1912. I have just got a smart match from Israel with some of the same style photos on, but were these type of photos around everywhere?
 Thanks in advance Mandy Molava Researching Belarus, Brest, Galacia, Hungary 
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Re: Vinitsky/Winitsky from Detroit, Mich.
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bobbymax911@...
Re VINITSKY/WINITSKY. Do you have any first names, or where they were from?
We have traced VITENSKY/WITENSKY that arrived in England and the U.S.at the beginning of the 20th century. Maxine Goldsmith San Diego |
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December 2020 Summary of IAJGS Records Access Alert
#general
#jgs-iajgs
#records
Jan Meisels Allen
As mentioned previously, every month I post a listing of the IAJGS Records Access Alert topics from the previous month for you to see the variety of issues…some were posted on this discussion group but most were not— all postings are included below. all postings are included below. All postings are included below. The following are the summaries for the month of December, 2020. In order not to miss out on important information it is worthwhile for you to be subscribed to the Records Access Alert. Without records, genealogists cannot do genealogy –making certain that we retain access and gain access where it is impaired is every genealogists' responsibility.
The IAJGS Board of Directors approved opening the Records Access Alert to anyone who is interested in records access. This was announced previously. We now have subscribers from many genealogical organizations not previously able to subscribe. To be on top of what is happening I encourage you to register for the Records Access Alerts to receive the information in a timely manner. If you are interested in any of the above items, please register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert and look at them in the archives. To register for the IAJGS Records Access Alert go to: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and which genealogical organization you belong to-a society, SIG or a subscriber of JewishGen, Avotaynu, Legal Genealogist etc. You will receive an email response that you have to reply to, or the subscription will not be finalized. The alerts are archived and once you register you may access the archives at: http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/
The IAJGS Records Access Alert is not a daily announcement list. Depending on what happens worldwide, there may be no postings for several days and other times there may be several in one day.
These are listed alphabetically not chronologically. Each month the locales covered differ.
Jan Meisels Allen Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee
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Shel
Also note that Russia encouraged not only ethnic Germans to establish colonies in Russia (Ukraine), but also Jews were allowed to do the same. See previous JGen Discussion List messages by Mel Comisarow.
Shel BERCOVICH Searching: LIPKIND, BERCOVICI, ECHTER, TSVANG (ZWANG) GERBIL |
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Re: Photo of headstone in Portsmouth needed, please
#unitedkingdom
Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
"who is buried in the Portsmouth Jewish Cemetery". Portsmouth, England; a US Portsmouth; or maybe an Australian one?
Even London has this problem, as I always think first of London, Ontario, then realize that probably isn't it.
Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ
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Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
"My other question is about the American rendering of the initial Узд as Usd rather than Uzd. I have come across at least three Usdansky lines in the United States"
Us- is less 'foreign' than Uz- in America, so it doesn't actually matter. My second rule of genealogy, when I taught it, was "spelling doesn't count" Clerks in the US and Poland / Russia and elsewhere spelled what they heard. My grandmother's birth record in NYC says her mother's maiden name was Livingston - it was Löwenstein, but say it with a German accent and listen with an English ear, and that explains it. Sally Bruckheimer Princeton, NJ |
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Announcing the publication of the translation of the Yizkor Book: Devenishki Book: Memorial for a Village
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Joel Alpert
The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project of JewishGen is proud to announce
the publication of its105th title, Devenishki Book: Memorial for a Village Translation of Sefer Divenishok; yad vashem le-ayara yehudit (Dieveniskes, Lithuania) Translation of Sefer Divenishok; yad vashem le-ayara yehudit Original Yizkor Book Published by Divenishok Societies of Israel and the United States: 1977 Israel Original Yizkor Book Editor: David Shtokfish Translation Coordinator and Editor: Adam Cherson Translation Layout, Cover Design, and Indexing: Adam Cherson Hard Cover, 11” by 8.5”, 660 pages with all original illustrations and photographs List Price: $65.95, available from JewishGen for $37 To order go to the bottom of: https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ybip/YBIP_Dieveniskes.html and click on the blue JewishGen to go to the order form. Details: Around 1650, Jews fleeing Podolian and Ukrainian pogroms began populating the Vilna area, including Divenishok. After the Russian Empire assumed control of the region in 1795, Jews were prohibited from living in small villages, forcing more Jews to move into Divenishok. By the time the Germans arrived in 1941, there were about 1,200 Jews living in the town, but by mid-1942, after a presence of 300 years, the Jews of Divenishok were gone, many having been murdered in mass graves or gas chambers. How did this happen? One descendant of the town explains things this way: …we must attempt to explain and answer the question plaguing every Jew who was not in the valley of death; “How was an entire nation led as lambs to the slaughter? ” Well, it must be said once and for all in a loud voice to our brethren, the People of Zion, and the Sons of Ishmael should hear and listen: our loved ones did not go as lambs to slaughter! The heroic acts by individuals, uprisings in the ghettos and death camps, the thousands of Jewish partisans who served the resistance movement across occupied Europe, 1.5 million volunteers, soldiers and officers on all fronts serving the Allied Forces are the answer to the big and terrible lie! Our nation had a significant role in ending the Third Reich. We have sinned an unforgivable sin against ourselves by overemphasizing the events of the Holocaust over the bravery in WWII. (MY Itskovitsh, p. 207) This Divenishok Memorial Book is a passionately written multi-author testament to the courage and suffering of a people out-numbered, out-gunned, and out-supplied, who put up a fierce fight, and continued fighting until eventually finding homes in Israel, the Americas, South Africa, and Australia. Nearby Jewish Communities: Byenyakoni, Belarus 11 miles WNW Salcininkai 12 miles NW Voranava, Belarus 12 miles WSW Traby, Belarus 13 miles ESE Lipnishki, Belarus 14 miles S Halshany, Belarus 17 miles ENE Iwye, Belarus 19 miles SSE Ashmyany, Belarus 20 miles NE Laibiskes 20 miles N Jasiunai 21 miles NW Gav'ya, Belarus 24 miles S Eisiskes 25 miles W Vishneva, Belarus 25 miles E Lida, Belarus 25 miles SSW Zhuprany, Belarus 26 miles NE Radun, Belarus 27 miles WSW Krevo, Belarus 28 miles ENE Rudamina 29 miles NNW Bakshty, Belarus 29 miles SE Packed with history; this book opens a unique window to life in this shtetl. A must-read! Certainly a welcome gift to the relative who would appreciate this unique history of their shtetl. A perfect Purim gift for family. Joel Alpert, Coordinator of the Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project |
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JGS of Greater Orlando. Free Virtual Meeting. Finding your Eastern European Jewish Family on JRI-Poland.org. Tuesday, January 12 at 7:00 p.m. ET. Speaker: Robinn Magid.
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dianejacobs40@...
ZOOM MEETING Finding your Eastern European Jewish Family on JRI-Poland.org Speaker: Robinn Magid
Robinn Magid is the Assistant Director of JRI-Poland.org and a recent recipient of the IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award. She recently became the project manager of the JRI-Poland “NextGen Project” to redesign the JRI-Poland website, search engine and database. She a frequent speaker and writer on Jewish genealogy topics.
Registration is required for this meeting. Send an email to jgsgo.blogger@.... You will receive an acknowledgement of registration. A link to access the Zoom meeting will be sent to you a few days before the meeting. --Diane M. Jacobs Winter Park, Florida |
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mvayser@...
Maryellen
"Germans from Russia" are ethnic Germans, not Jewish. The Latvia theory, suggested by some in this thread, is the likely scenario. Königsberg should not be considered here, as it was never part of the Russian empire. They held it for only a couple of years in mid-1700's, before turning it back to Prussia. It became part of the Soviet Union only after WWII with all ethnic Germans deported and people from Soviet the Union were moved there to repopulate the city (possibly only ethnic Russians). Mike Vayser |
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Re: Need help reading 1874 Belarus (Nesvizh) census
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mvayser@...
Paula,
There are numbers to the left of the family information, indicating family ID in the "Census #10", which took place in 1858 and this being a supplemental update in 1874 to the new or missed members of the Nesvizh community. In most of these revisions (1815-1816, 1818, 1834, 1850, 1858) males were placed on left side of the book, while females were placed on the right side. In this family, there are multiple males and only one female, so the information in the JG transcription is accurate, except that "Binyamin Mikhel" is not correct. It says "Bendet Mikhel" (or possibly Bendyat) there. According to Alexander Beider's list, Bendet corresponds to the following Yiddish names - Beynash, Beynes, Beynesh, Beynish, Beynus, Beynyash, Bender, Bendit, Benedict, Benesh, Beniash, Benis, Benyash. Steve S., The 2nd family last name is Yavna, not KAERELEVAVNA. It appears that someone confused the patronymic on the first line and the actual last name of the following line and combined them into something incorrect. The first name of the head of the family head is Govsey-Zelman, patronymic (father's name) - Kasrelev (son of Kasrel). In this census on the female side of the page they reference relationship to the husband as "wife of <Given name> <Family name> <wife's given name>", so in the case of the first family, where husband's full name is Leyba ben Girsh Pasemanik (Russian: Leyba Girshov Pasemanik), wife's record is "wife of Leyba Pasemanik Brokha" (Russian: zhena Leyby Pasemanika Brokha). In the 2nd case the head of the family is Govsey Zelman Kasrelev Yavna and the wife's entry - wife of Govsey Zelman Yavna Fruma (Russian: zhena Govseya Zelmana Yavny Fruma). Perhaps, you are in a position to request JG to update this record. Steven U., This is just how JG chose to write down these names due to males and females being written down separately. It's a just a preference. In my own transcription of this information, I merge the 2 based on relationships and age, while keeping the overall order the same as the original. It's easier for me to consume the information about families in the order of husband-wife-<children in descending order>, instead of husband-<sons in descending order>-wife-<daughters in descending order>. Mike Vayser |
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Photo of headstone in Portsmouth needed, please
#unitedkingdom
Denise Fletcher
I'd be very grateful if someone could locate and photograph the headstone of Samuel FLETCHER, possibly buried as Samuel Lazarus Fletcher, who died we think in around 1950, and who is buried in the Portsmouth Jewish Cemetery. He was born in around 1868, and was survived by his wife Leah and 2 sons, Jack and John, as well as at least one daughter-in-law (Ethel, known as Sunny) and a grandson, Michael. He also had a deceased son, Maurice, who might be mentioned on the headstone.
Many thanks for any assistance! I can be reached at dfletcheroz@...
Best,
Denise Fletcher, Sydney Australia |
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Re: Romanian translation
#translation
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Rafael.Manory@...
To what Mr Radu said I would add that Mr Preschel Isac was given this exemption on 19 September (19/9) 1942 and the medical examiner signed alongside the Secretary..
Rafael Manory, PhD Researching the families Alterson, Margulies, Wisner, Emanuel |
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How many "first names" did people have?
#names
Peter Cohen
I am trying to determine if someone is who I think he is...
His gravestone says his Hebrew name was Yitzchak ben Chona and that he died in 1954 at age 84. The Lithuanian birth record that I think is his says he was born 8 Feb 1873, son of Yeruchim. From other records, I know that this Yeruchim was Yeruchim Girsh or Yeruchim Tsvi. Is it possible that Yeruchim had 3 first names (i.e. Yeruchim Tsvi Elchanon)? While there are several other Yitzchaks who born around 1865 - 1875 who shared the same last name (Gershater), the reason I think that Yeruchim's son is the right one is that the Isaac (Yitzchak) who died in 1954 was married to Rebecca Rotkowitz and Yeruchim's mother was a Rotkowitz. I have seen many instances where a NYC death certificate lists a father's name that is completely different than the Hebrew name on the gravestone, but I attribute that to first name vs middle name. But in this case is Yeruchim Tsvi a first & middle name? Or are they kinnuim? (Sadly 1954 NYC death certificates are not available to non direct descendants, so I can't see who is listed as his father.) -- Peter Cohen California |
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Steven Usdansky
The male form of my surname seems to be more or less consistently rendered in Russian as Узданский, but for the Polish equivalent, I've seen both Uzdanski and Uzdański. Is the difference between the two Polish forms significant?
My other question is about the American rendering of the initial Узд as Usd rather than Uzd. I have come across at least three Usdansky lines in the United States other than my own, and in all cases, the surname spelling is (or was, before it was changed to Usdan or Usdane or something else entirely) Usdansky. -- Steven Usdansky usdanskys@... researching Usdansky, Turetzky, Sinienski, Sigler, Namenwirth |
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Re: Need help reading 1874 Belarus (Nesvizh) census
#belarus
Steven Usdansky
One thing I've noticed when looking at Revision List translations as given on jewishgen is that the basic order seems to be male head of household, sons, wife of head of household, daughters.
-- Steven Usdansky usdanskys@... researching Usdansky, Turetzky, Sinienski, Sigler, Namenwirth |
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Re: 1 wife, 2 husbands, children from both marriages, same years
#usa
M Tobiasiewicz
I think there might be 2 Adelaide Rittenbergs. I found listings for Ada Rittenberg with different birth dates: Name: Ada Rittenbag Samson Gender: Female Age: 34 Birth Date: 24 Jul 1890 Birth Place: Springfield, Massachusetts Residence Place: New York City, New York Passport Issue Date: 17 Mar 1925 Spouse: Henry Samson Has Photo: Yes
Name: Ada Bry Social Security Number: 150-36-2293 Birth Date: 19 Nov 1894 Issue Year: 1962 Issue State: New Jersey Last Residence: 10021, New York, New York, New York, USA Death Date: 17 Dec 1990 -- Maryellen Tobiasiewiczfamily from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
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Re: 1 wife, 2 husbands, children from both marriages, same years
#usa
Sherri Bobish
Hi Trudy, It seems that there were two Adelaide RITTENBERGs, both born in Massachusetts and lived later in NYC (one in Manhattan & the other in The Bronx.) Adelaide R. Rittenberg born 1891 (parents Louis & Lillie.) The Bronx family. Adelaide G. Rittenberg born 1894 (parents Isaac & Annie Marks. Later census give mother as Belle.) The Manhattan family. Adelaide G. Rittenberg married Henry Samson in NYC 26 Jan 1915. I believe it was Adelaide R. Rittenberg who married Martin Edwin BRY in NYC 2 Jun 1919. A January 2, 1918 notice in the NY Herald announced the engagement of MIss Adelaide Rittenberg (dau. of Mr. & Mrs. Isaac Rittenberg) to Lt. M. Edwin BRY. No mention of any previous marriage. Hope this helps, and Happy New Year, Sherri Bobish |
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M Tobiasiewicz
Yiddish sounds a lot like German. Maybe the census taker just wrong it down as German. I do not know Yiddish. But many decades ago when I was a student, we met with the Rabbi at a synagogue in Moscow. He spoke Yiddish and I understood a lot of what he was saying. (He only let us in when we told him we were Americans!)
-- Maryellen Tobiasiewiczfamily from: Bielsko-Biala powiat Poland
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