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Given Name: Rachmiel, Cotinued #general

david rafky
 

Thanks to all who sent me information about the name "Rachmiel."
As I wrote, this was the name of my uncle (Rachmiel Lerner) who
called himself Joseph and sometimes, Milton.

Many of you sent comments about the origin of the name and its use
in your families.

I would like to offer another possible explanation of why my Uncle
did not use this name: I *believe* there is a superstition changing
ones name is a means to cheat the angel of death.

Comments?

David Rafky
Miami, Florida, USA
dave15851585@...


Re: Given Name: Rachmiel #general

Eric Svirskis
 

Dear David,

I don't think Rachmiel is rare. As well as hearing of it >from time to time
and on this site I had a Great-Uncle of that name who, in South Africa, was
officially known as Harry (Zilberman/Silverman).

As to why he didn't use it - there are many reasons one doesn't use a name
(and why some use middle names as their "main" name). Of course I don't know
but it may be quite simply that he did not like it or it was "too
different"? Maybe the question is why did he call himself Joseph or Milton
... not that Harry is much closer as an interpretation?

Eric Svirskis,
Melbourne, Australia.
svire@...

Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, GESKIN, GROSSBEIN, MUSZKATBLAT, OKUN,
SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKI, SVIRSKIS, or SWIRSKY, & ZILBERMAN, from: Belarus &
Lithuania: Danilovichiai (now possibly Draustine?), Dolhinov, Kovno/Kaunas,
Melegan, Panevesz/Panecevysz, Shtayachisok, and Widze/Vidzy.

-----Original Message-----
From: david rafky [mailto:dave15851585@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 7:48 PM

My uncle (by marriage) was Rachmiel Lerner >from Pochaev (Ukraine). He
apparently never used this name, but this was on his Naturalization
papers. He called himself Joseph or sometimes, Milton. Q: is this a
common given name? I never heard of it. Why would he not use it?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Given Name: Rachmiel #general

Eric Svirskis
 

Dear David,

I don't think Rachmiel is rare. As well as hearing of it >from time to time
and on this site I had a Great-Uncle of that name who, in South Africa, was
officially known as Harry (Zilberman/Silverman).

As to why he didn't use it - there are many reasons one doesn't use a name
(and why some use middle names as their "main" name). Of course I don't know
but it may be quite simply that he did not like it or it was "too
different"? Maybe the question is why did he call himself Joseph or Milton
... not that Harry is much closer as an interpretation?

Eric Svirskis,
Melbourne, Australia.
svire@...

Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, GESKIN, GROSSBEIN, MUSZKATBLAT, OKUN,
SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKI, SVIRSKIS, or SWIRSKY, & ZILBERMAN, from: Belarus &
Lithuania: Danilovichiai (now possibly Draustine?), Dolhinov, Kovno/Kaunas,
Melegan, Panevesz/Panecevysz, Shtayachisok, and Widze/Vidzy.

-----Original Message-----
From: david rafky [mailto:dave15851585@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2010 7:48 PM

My uncle (by marriage) was Rachmiel Lerner >from Pochaev (Ukraine). He
apparently never used this name, but this was on his Naturalization
papers. He called himself Joseph or sometimes, Milton. Q: is this a
common given name? I never heard of it. Why would he not use it?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given Name: Rachmiel, Cotinued #general

david rafky
 

Thanks to all who sent me information about the name "Rachmiel."
As I wrote, this was the name of my uncle (Rachmiel Lerner) who
called himself Joseph and sometimes, Milton.

Many of you sent comments about the origin of the name and its use
in your families.

I would like to offer another possible explanation of why my Uncle
did not use this name: I *believe* there is a superstition changing
ones name is a means to cheat the angel of death.

Comments?

David Rafky
Miami, Florida, USA
dave15851585@...


Please help my Mother in Law find her family (LERNER) #general

Moshe Schaeffer
 

My mother in laws mother looked for her family >from after the war till
she died my mother in law continues to look for them if you can help
us in any way to find the family that would be great . Below please
find all the information we know . Where can we look ? How should we
Look? Thank you for any help.
Moshe Schaeffer

Looking for relatives of David and LERNER,
who lived in Shatova village Kamenetsk-Podolskoy region
in Ukraine and died within one week >from each other in March
or April of 1922 >from Typhus. They left 5 small children-2 girls and
3 boys; the smallest was 1 year old. Their name were Avram-10 years old,
Leah-8,Michail-6,Raisa-4 and Dimitri- 1.There Uncles took each child,
so they were separated. But later they found each other in
Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine.
David was a butcher and owed his own Butcher Store. We don't know
Yetta's maiden name, we don't even have her picture, and we have a
picture of David Lerner.


David's brother, whos daughter was Rosa Lerner was the owner of Candy
Factory and they lived in Dunaevtsy or Kamenetsk-Podoljsk. Rosa and
her husband Yakov Gitman were Agnonomist or Agriculturists.
LERNER Avram Davidovich was born in 1912 in Shatovo.He moved to
Birobidzhan at the end of 1920, where he worked as a tractor
operator.In 1933 he came back to Dnepropetrovs and found his sisters
and brothers,he wanted to stay,but he couldn't find a job and he
returned back to Birobidzhan and noone heard of him.We have his photo.
LERNER Michail Davidovich was born in 1916 in Shatovo. In 1933 he
finished Technical School in Dnepropetrovsk and worked on the Karl
Libnekht factory there as the supervisor. For his outstanding work, he
was awarded the Medal for Labor Valour by M.Kalinin.Then he was sent
to Kharkov to study in Stalin's Academy in 1939-1940. In 1941 before
the war he came to Dnepropetrovsk and saw his sisters: Lea and
Raisa.When the war started he was sent to Odessa to become the
Komissar. Lea found out,that he was on the ship with all teachers
going to Odessa when the ship was destroyed by Nazis. After that no
news about him.
It was the book written about my uncle Michail,but Lea couldn't take
the book when they were escaping Nazis. We don't know who wrote this
book and the name of the author.
LERNER Dmitriy(Mitya) Davidovich was born in 1921 in Shatovo.He also
finished Technical School in Dnepropetrovsk and left for the Army as a
volunteer(he was too young to be drafted yet).He was in the city of
Kaluga. Lea-his sister recieved one letter >from him when the war
started,when he wrote, that he couldn't wait to destroy the Nazis and
after that nothing. He wasn't in the list of dead or missing persons.
We sent several requests about 3 brothers, but no answer,recently we
received negative answer >from Red Cross.
Any information will be helpful.
Thank you again for any help.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Please help my Mother in Law find her family (LERNER) #general

Moshe Schaeffer
 

My mother in laws mother looked for her family >from after the war till
she died my mother in law continues to look for them if you can help
us in any way to find the family that would be great . Below please
find all the information we know . Where can we look ? How should we
Look? Thank you for any help.
Moshe Schaeffer

Looking for relatives of David and LERNER,
who lived in Shatova village Kamenetsk-Podolskoy region
in Ukraine and died within one week >from each other in March
or April of 1922 >from Typhus. They left 5 small children-2 girls and
3 boys; the smallest was 1 year old. Their name were Avram-10 years old,
Leah-8,Michail-6,Raisa-4 and Dimitri- 1.There Uncles took each child,
so they were separated. But later they found each other in
Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine.
David was a butcher and owed his own Butcher Store. We don't know
Yetta's maiden name, we don't even have her picture, and we have a
picture of David Lerner.


David's brother, whos daughter was Rosa Lerner was the owner of Candy
Factory and they lived in Dunaevtsy or Kamenetsk-Podoljsk. Rosa and
her husband Yakov Gitman were Agnonomist or Agriculturists.
LERNER Avram Davidovich was born in 1912 in Shatovo.He moved to
Birobidzhan at the end of 1920, where he worked as a tractor
operator.In 1933 he came back to Dnepropetrovs and found his sisters
and brothers,he wanted to stay,but he couldn't find a job and he
returned back to Birobidzhan and noone heard of him.We have his photo.
LERNER Michail Davidovich was born in 1916 in Shatovo. In 1933 he
finished Technical School in Dnepropetrovsk and worked on the Karl
Libnekht factory there as the supervisor. For his outstanding work, he
was awarded the Medal for Labor Valour by M.Kalinin.Then he was sent
to Kharkov to study in Stalin's Academy in 1939-1940. In 1941 before
the war he came to Dnepropetrovsk and saw his sisters: Lea and
Raisa.When the war started he was sent to Odessa to become the
Komissar. Lea found out,that he was on the ship with all teachers
going to Odessa when the ship was destroyed by Nazis. After that no
news about him.
It was the book written about my uncle Michail,but Lea couldn't take
the book when they were escaping Nazis. We don't know who wrote this
book and the name of the author.
LERNER Dmitriy(Mitya) Davidovich was born in 1921 in Shatovo.He also
finished Technical School in Dnepropetrovsk and left for the Army as a
volunteer(he was too young to be drafted yet).He was in the city of
Kaluga. Lea-his sister recieved one letter >from him when the war
started,when he wrote, that he couldn't wait to destroy the Nazis and
after that nothing. He wasn't in the list of dead or missing persons.
We sent several requests about 3 brothers, but no answer,recently we
received negative answer >from Red Cross.
Any information will be helpful.
Thank you again for any help.


Researching: Getzel, Strassner, Strasser, Krauss or Kraus from Zhovkva, Ukraine #general

Arthur Getzel
 

have had many dead ends. My grandfather Aaron GETZEL came from
Zolkiew, Galicia which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire at that
time. He was married to a Mollie STRASSNER or STRASSER and her
mother's maiden name was either KRAUSS or KRAUS. My greatgrandfather
was named Chaim. My father is named after him. I know my grandfather
Aaron had two siblings. I believe his sister was Anna (never married)
but I do not know the name of his brother. His brother died in the
Holocaust. His wife Klara walked with her kids to Palestine. When
she died, we lost all contact with that side of the family and I do
not know their present names. They came for a visit once when I was a
kid and the son was an officer in the Israeli military. My father
had a cousin David REISS, but I do not know how they are related.
Maybe by grandfather had another sister. My grandmother Mollie was
raised by her brother and appears not to have had any other siblings.
My grandfather came to America in 1912 and my grandmother came in
1918. We have a written document >from my aunt Dotty who was born in
Europe that my grandmother worked for some wealthy family members who
treated her poorly. Ship manifests show that my grandmother and
grandfather come >from the above town. On one manifest, my last name
is spelled GOETZEL, but that could be >from the ignorance of the person
completing the manifest. Any help >from anyone would be greatly
appreciated.

Arthur Getzel
Oakland Gardens, NY
Replies to: agetzel50@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching: Getzel, Strassner, Strasser, Krauss or Kraus from Zhovkva, Ukraine #general

Arthur Getzel
 

have had many dead ends. My grandfather Aaron GETZEL came from
Zolkiew, Galicia which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire at that
time. He was married to a Mollie STRASSNER or STRASSER and her
mother's maiden name was either KRAUSS or KRAUS. My greatgrandfather
was named Chaim. My father is named after him. I know my grandfather
Aaron had two siblings. I believe his sister was Anna (never married)
but I do not know the name of his brother. His brother died in the
Holocaust. His wife Klara walked with her kids to Palestine. When
she died, we lost all contact with that side of the family and I do
not know their present names. They came for a visit once when I was a
kid and the son was an officer in the Israeli military. My father
had a cousin David REISS, but I do not know how they are related.
Maybe by grandfather had another sister. My grandmother Mollie was
raised by her brother and appears not to have had any other siblings.
My grandfather came to America in 1912 and my grandmother came in
1918. We have a written document >from my aunt Dotty who was born in
Europe that my grandmother worked for some wealthy family members who
treated her poorly. Ship manifests show that my grandmother and
grandfather come >from the above town. On one manifest, my last name
is spelled GOETZEL, but that could be >from the ignorance of the person
completing the manifest. Any help >from anyone would be greatly
appreciated.

Arthur Getzel
Oakland Gardens, NY
Replies to: agetzel50@...


Latvia SIG Dvinsk Census Fund #latvia

Barry Shay
 

The Latvia SIG rarely solicits donations, and the money we do collect is
insufficient to cover costs associated with major projects. The Dvinsk
Census Project, based on the 1897 All Russian Census, is one of those
projects and its status has been written about in the SIG newsletter from
time-to-time. Arlene Beare has been heading this project and it is in the
last stages of completion. At the moment, about 6,000 names have been
transferred >from the Latvian State Historical Archives in Riga and have been
paid for, with 2,000 more names on offer and an additional 7,000 names to be
acquired. In the near term, we need to raise about $700 for the 2,000 names
and later, an additional $2,500 for the remaining 7,000 names. This will
complete the Dvinsk Census Project with a total of about 15,000 names. When
complete, the names will become part of the JewishGen Latvia Database with
free access to all.

To donate, please go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=16
as indicated at the top of this page. Donations are tax deductable for U.S.
taxpayers.

Barry Shay
Co-President
Latvia SIG


Latvia SIG #Latvia Latvia SIG Dvinsk Census Fund #latvia

Barry Shay
 

The Latvia SIG rarely solicits donations, and the money we do collect is
insufficient to cover costs associated with major projects. The Dvinsk
Census Project, based on the 1897 All Russian Census, is one of those
projects and its status has been written about in the SIG newsletter from
time-to-time. Arlene Beare has been heading this project and it is in the
last stages of completion. At the moment, about 6,000 names have been
transferred >from the Latvian State Historical Archives in Riga and have been
paid for, with 2,000 more names on offer and an additional 7,000 names to be
acquired. In the near term, we need to raise about $700 for the 2,000 names
and later, an additional $2,500 for the remaining 7,000 names. This will
complete the Dvinsk Census Project with a total of about 15,000 names. When
complete, the names will become part of the JewishGen Latvia Database with
free access to all.

To donate, please go to:
http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/v_projectslist.asp?project_cat=16
as indicated at the top of this page. Donations are tax deductable for U.S.
taxpayers.

Barry Shay
Co-President
Latvia SIG


Researching: Getzel, Strassner, Strasser, Krauss or Kraus from Zhovkva, Ukraine #galicia

Arthur Getzel
 

I have had many dead ends.

My grandfather Aaron GETZEL came >from Zolkiew, Galicia which was
part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire at that time. He was married to
a Mollie STRASSNER or STRASSER and her mother's maiden name was
either KRAUSS or KRAUS. My greatgrandfather was named Chaim. My
father is named after him.

I know my grandfather Aaron had two siblings. I believe his sister
was Anna (never married) but I do not know the name of his brother.
His brother died in the Holocaust. His wife Klara walked with her kids
to Palestine. When she died, we lost all contact with that side of the
family and I do not know their present names. They came for a visit
once when I was a kid and the son was an officer in the Israeli
military. My father had a cousin David REISS, but I do not know how
they are related. Maybe my grandfather had another sister. My
grandmother Mollie was raised by her brother and appears not to
have had any other siblings.

My grandfather came to America in 1912 and my grandmother came
in 1918. We have a written document >from my aunt Dotty who was
born in Europe that my grandmother worked for some wealthy family
members who treated her poorly. Ship manifests show that my
grandmother and grandfather come >from the above town. On one
manifest, my last name is spelled GOETZEL, but that could be >from the
ignorance of the person completing the manifest. Any help >from
anyone would be greatly appreciated.

Arthur Getzel
Oakland Gardens, NY
Replies to: agetzel50@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Several JewishGen sources have information on
Arthur's surnames >from Zolkiew (now Zhovka). One, unfortunately,
is the "List of Martyrs >from Zhovka, Ukraine," translated >from the
yizkor book Sefer Zolkiew
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Zhovkva/zho795.html
The JewishGen Family Finder
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.asp
and JRI records, accessible directly or through JewishGen's
Poland Poland Database
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/#Poland
also have hits for the names of interest.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Researching: Getzel, Strassner, Strasser, Krauss or Kraus from Zhovkva, Ukraine #galicia

Arthur Getzel
 

I have had many dead ends.

My grandfather Aaron GETZEL came >from Zolkiew, Galicia which was
part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire at that time. He was married to
a Mollie STRASSNER or STRASSER and her mother's maiden name was
either KRAUSS or KRAUS. My greatgrandfather was named Chaim. My
father is named after him.

I know my grandfather Aaron had two siblings. I believe his sister
was Anna (never married) but I do not know the name of his brother.
His brother died in the Holocaust. His wife Klara walked with her kids
to Palestine. When she died, we lost all contact with that side of the
family and I do not know their present names. They came for a visit
once when I was a kid and the son was an officer in the Israeli
military. My father had a cousin David REISS, but I do not know how
they are related. Maybe my grandfather had another sister. My
grandmother Mollie was raised by her brother and appears not to
have had any other siblings.

My grandfather came to America in 1912 and my grandmother came
in 1918. We have a written document >from my aunt Dotty who was
born in Europe that my grandmother worked for some wealthy family
members who treated her poorly. Ship manifests show that my
grandmother and grandfather come >from the above town. On one
manifest, my last name is spelled GOETZEL, but that could be >from the
ignorance of the person completing the manifest. Any help >from
anyone would be greatly appreciated.

Arthur Getzel
Oakland Gardens, NY
Replies to: agetzel50@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Several JewishGen sources have information on
Arthur's surnames >from Zolkiew (now Zhovka). One, unfortunately,
is the "List of Martyrs >from Zhovka, Ukraine," translated >from the
yizkor book Sefer Zolkiew
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Zhovkva/zho795.html
The JewishGen Family Finder
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffweb.asp
and JRI records, accessible directly or through JewishGen's
Poland Poland Database
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/#Poland
also have hits for the names of interest.


Yom HaShoah 2010 - Memorials for Vanished Communities #galicia

Billie Stein <billie.stein@...>
 

As Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Rememberance Day) approaches on April
12th, in Israel many landsmanschaften continue to organize
commemorations at the memorials for their communities in the
cemeteries, and there are ceremonies at Yad Vashem, Kibbutz Lohamei
Hagetaot, and Kibbutz Yad Mordechai. We would like to take this
opportunity to remind everyone of our growing memorials project
online, at: http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/473/5806.asp .
This ongoing project documents monuments for communities
destroyed in the Shoah, as well as for pogroms committed against
Jewish communities. Included are monuments in cemeteries and towns,
memorial forests, and street names.

We invite you to search the database and see if the towns of your
forefathers have memorials in Israel, and if so, see photos of the
memorials and find out where they are. And we invite those of you
who are aware of memorials in Israel not yet included in the project
to send us photos and documentation.

Ellen Stepak, Rose Feldman and Billie Stein

Israel Genealogical Society

MODERATOR NOTE: A search for entries that contain the word Galicia
in the "Region or Gubernia" field brings up 52 towns. Many more
Galician towns are in the database but are not identified by their region.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Yom HaShoah 2010 - Memorials for Vanished Communities #galicia

Billie Stein <billie.stein@...>
 

As Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Rememberance Day) approaches on April
12th, in Israel many landsmanschaften continue to organize
commemorations at the memorials for their communities in the
cemeteries, and there are ceremonies at Yad Vashem, Kibbutz Lohamei
Hagetaot, and Kibbutz Yad Mordechai. We would like to take this
opportunity to remind everyone of our growing memorials project
online, at: http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/473/5806.asp .
This ongoing project documents monuments for communities
destroyed in the Shoah, as well as for pogroms committed against
Jewish communities. Included are monuments in cemeteries and towns,
memorial forests, and street names.

We invite you to search the database and see if the towns of your
forefathers have memorials in Israel, and if so, see photos of the
memorials and find out where they are. And we invite those of you
who are aware of memorials in Israel not yet included in the project
to send us photos and documentation.

Ellen Stepak, Rose Feldman and Billie Stein

Israel Genealogical Society

MODERATOR NOTE: A search for entries that contain the word Galicia
in the "Region or Gubernia" field brings up 52 towns. Many more
Galician towns are in the database but are not identified by their region.


Short film: "The Jews of Krakow's Kazimierz District," cir 1936-9 #galicia

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Now showing at the Museum of Family History's Film Series,
through April 18th:

Archival film >from 1936 showing the Jewish district of Kazimierz
in Krakow (3 mins, 26 secs). Most of these buildings can be
visited today and are in a similar condition - only the people who
walked those streets are long since gone.

The original [version] of this film is in the Polish film archives in
ul. Chelmska in Warsaw. -- >from YouTube.

Note that there is another version of this film on YouTube that
states the film is of Kazimierz in 1938-9, not 1936.

This short film "The Jews of Krakow's Kazimierz District," can be
found at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/fs-krakow-kazimierz.htm
It has an instrumental sound track attached to it.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
blog: http://museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
steve@...


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Short film: "The Jews of Krakow's Kazimierz District," cir 1936-9 #galicia

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Now showing at the Museum of Family History's Film Series,
through April 18th:

Archival film >from 1936 showing the Jewish district of Kazimierz
in Krakow (3 mins, 26 secs). Most of these buildings can be
visited today and are in a similar condition - only the people who
walked those streets are long since gone.

The original [version] of this film is in the Polish film archives in
ul. Chelmska in Warsaw. -- >from YouTube.

Note that there is another version of this film on YouTube that
states the film is of Kazimierz in 1938-9, not 1936.

This short film "The Jews of Krakow's Kazimierz District," can be
found at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/fs-krakow-kazimierz.htm
It has an instrumental sound track attached to it.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
blog: http://museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
steve@...


Gril, Grill, Grilius, Varniai, Kovno #lithuania

Diane Paul <diane.paul2@...>
 

Dear Friends

I'm trying to trace my paternal grandmother's family. She was born Mikhlia
GRIL in Varniai, in 1871, came to Manchester, UK and married my paternal
grandfather Daniel PULCOVITCH >from Kovno Gubernia. Mikhlia's parents were
Avrom Hersha GRIL and Chaya Malka GRIL. They had 12 children, two of whom
died in infancy. Three of them immigrated to the USA (Chicago) where my
grandparents joined them Names: Sore (Sarah) (b.1887), Ette Feyge (b.1876)
and Leiba Marek (Labke) GRIL (b.1883). In the USA, they used the surname
GRILL and in the UK, GREEN. Another sibling, Maurice GREEN settled in
Manchester. The remaining children I haven't tracked down: Names: Zelman
Movsh (b.1879); Yosel (b.1883); Zeiv Iosel (b.1885); Khaim Genakh (b.1889);
and Etel Feige (b.1892); Among the relatives I have found are two nuns and a
rabbi.

If anyone recognises any of the names or the surname GRIL or GRILIUS (used
after the remaining siblings fled to Russia in the 1940s), I would love to
hear >from you.

Secondly, I have traced the rabbi to Jerusalem but can anyone give me any
helpful information about children who were taken into care by the Catholics
and settled in convents during the Holocaust. I believe the two girl cousins
I seek are in a convent in Rome but where and how do I begin to look for
them? I have the surname but no first names and people are reluctant to talk
to me about this subject. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Diane Paul

MANCHESTER, UK

Searching: PULCOVITCH (KOVNO), GRIL/GRILIUS (VARNIAI, KOVNO); GRILL
(CHICAGO, USA); GREEN (MANCHESTER, UK); ERSTLING, BERGSTREIT, DORFMAN
(BRZEZANY, GALICIA)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with the
list.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Gril, Grill, Grilius, Varniai, Kovno #lithuania

Diane Paul <diane.paul2@...>
 

Dear Friends

I'm trying to trace my paternal grandmother's family. She was born Mikhlia
GRIL in Varniai, in 1871, came to Manchester, UK and married my paternal
grandfather Daniel PULCOVITCH >from Kovno Gubernia. Mikhlia's parents were
Avrom Hersha GRIL and Chaya Malka GRIL. They had 12 children, two of whom
died in infancy. Three of them immigrated to the USA (Chicago) where my
grandparents joined them Names: Sore (Sarah) (b.1887), Ette Feyge (b.1876)
and Leiba Marek (Labke) GRIL (b.1883). In the USA, they used the surname
GRILL and in the UK, GREEN. Another sibling, Maurice GREEN settled in
Manchester. The remaining children I haven't tracked down: Names: Zelman
Movsh (b.1879); Yosel (b.1883); Zeiv Iosel (b.1885); Khaim Genakh (b.1889);
and Etel Feige (b.1892); Among the relatives I have found are two nuns and a
rabbi.

If anyone recognises any of the names or the surname GRIL or GRILIUS (used
after the remaining siblings fled to Russia in the 1940s), I would love to
hear >from you.

Secondly, I have traced the rabbi to Jerusalem but can anyone give me any
helpful information about children who were taken into care by the Catholics
and settled in convents during the Holocaust. I believe the two girl cousins
I seek are in a convent in Rome but where and how do I begin to look for
them? I have the surname but no first names and people are reluctant to talk
to me about this subject. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Diane Paul

MANCHESTER, UK

Searching: PULCOVITCH (KOVNO), GRIL/GRILIUS (VARNIAI, KOVNO); GRILL
(CHICAGO, USA); GREEN (MANCHESTER, UK); ERSTLING, BERGSTREIT, DORFMAN
(BRZEZANY, GALICIA)

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Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Yom HaShoah 2010 -- Memorials for Vanished Communities #rabbinic

Billie Stein <billie.stein@...>
 

As Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Rememberance Day) approaches on April 12th,
in Israel many landsmanschaften continue to organize commemorations at
the memorials for their communities in the cemeteries, and there are
ceremonies at Yad Vashem, Kibbutz Lohamei Hagetaot, and Kibbutz Yad
Mordechai. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone
of our growing memorials project online,
at: <http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/473/5806.asp>. This ongoing
project documents monuments for communities destroyed in the Shoah, as
well as for pogroms committed against Jewish communities. Included are
monuments in cemeteries and towns, memorial forests, and street names.
We invite you to search the database and see if the towns of your
forefathers have memorials in Israel, and if so, see photos of the
memorials and find out where they are. And we invite those of you who
are aware of memorials in Israel not yet included in the project to
send us photos and documentation.

Ellen Stepak, Rose Feldman and Billie Stein

Israel Genealogical Society


Yom HaShoah 2010 -- Memorials for Vanished Communities #rabbinic

Billie Stein <billie.stein@...>
 

As Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Rememberance Day) approaches on April 12th,
in Israel many landsmanschaften continue to organize commemorations at
the memorials for their communities in the cemeteries, and there are
ceremonies at Yad Vashem, Kibbutz Lohamei Hagetaot, and Kibbutz Yad
Mordechai. We would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone
of our growing memorials project online,
at: <http://www.isragen.org.il/siteFiles/1/473/5806.asp>. This ongoing
project documents monuments for communities destroyed in the Shoah, as
well as for pogroms committed against Jewish communities. Included are
monuments in cemeteries and towns, memorial forests, and street names.
We invite you to search the database and see if the towns of your
forefathers have memorials in Israel, and if so, see photos of the
memorials and find out where they are. And we invite those of you who
are aware of memorials in Israel not yet included in the project to
send us photos and documentation.

Ellen Stepak, Rose Feldman and Billie Stein

Israel Genealogical Society