Many thanks to those who responded to my request for information about Javier
Gueilar. One very kind JGenner in Argentina tracked him down. What a great group!

Victor Miller

Many thanks to those who responded to my request for information about Javier
Gueilar. One very kind JGenner in Argentina tracked him down. What a great group!

Victor Miller

The first group of translated Marijampole district internal passport records,
1919-1940 - 506 records in all, have just been distributed to the qualified
donors. Many, many, more records remain to be translated. To receive these
records, as well as all of the remaining records that will be translated, a
minimum $100 contribution is required. To find out why internal passports were
required, as well as interesting information about them, go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm

To make your contribution, scroll down to the bottom of the above site and click
on http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity You can use your credit card as
the site is secure. Be sure and designate your contribution is for internal
passport records- Marijampole.

With some I. P. records the file includes the internal passport application as
well as various types of other documents. Unfortunately, the Marijampole district
files only contain lists of the applications. However, there is a very large
number of them, organized according to years and shtetls. For instance: Sasnava
shtetl internal passport lists 1928 - 1929, etc. The information consists of Name,
Surname, Passport number, passport issuing Date and the Place (shtetl or town)
where the person lived. In some cases, additional information is included.

In many cases, your ancestor said they lived in Marijampole but, in reality, they
lived in a shtetl near Marijampole. These records will give you an opportunity to
learn exactly where they lived in the district. Your ancestors may have left there
in the early 1900's but that does not mean the entire family left. Usually,
siblings, uncles, aunts, and cousins remained there and had to have an internal
passport. These records may uncover other relatives you are not even aware of. It
is worth this minimum price of admission to find out.

Howard Margol
Founder - Coordinator - internal passport project

The first group of translated Marijampole district internal passport records,
1919-1940 - 506 records in all, have just been distributed to the qualified
donors. Many, many, more records remain to be translated. To receive these
records, as well as all of the remaining records that will be translated, a
minimum $100 contribution is required. To find out why internal passports were
required, as well as interesting information about them, go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm

To make your contribution, scroll down to the bottom of the above site and click
on http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity You can use your credit card as
the site is secure. Be sure and designate your contribution is for internal
passport records- Marijampole.

With some I. P. records the file includes the internal passport application as
well as various types of other documents. Unfortunately, the Marijampole district
files only contain lists of the applications. However, there is a very large
number of them, organized according to years and shtetls. For instance: Sasnava
shtetl internal passport lists 1928 - 1929, etc. The information consists of Name,
Surname, Passport number, passport issuing Date and the Place (shtetl or town)
where the person lived. In some cases, additional information is included.

In many cases, your ancestor said they lived in Marijampole but, in reality, they
lived in a shtetl near Marijampole. These records will give you an opportunity to
learn exactly where they lived in the district. Your ancestors may have left there
in the early 1900's but that does not mean the entire family left. Usually,
siblings, uncles, aunts, and cousins remained there and had to have an internal
passport. These records may uncover other relatives you are not even aware of. It
is worth this minimum price of admission to find out.

Howard Margol
Founder - Coordinator - internal passport project

agchester@... writes:

"Maybe use of genetics and linguistics open new avenues of knowledge, but in the
meantime, I am suspicious of any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through
Italy, established in Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good."

. . . any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through Italy, established in
Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good. . . "

. . .that is a pretty strong statement. "do more harm than good. . . " I don't
think anyone with serious knowledge of the history of Jews in Europe in the
millennium after the 70CE destruction of Jerusalem has doubts about the migration
--forced or voluntary--of Jews >from the Holy Land to Italy. While some diasporas
received their traditions, customs, and rules of prayer >from the Babylonian exile
in Baghdad, Italy received and built on the Yerushalmi (Jerusalem) traditions.
Rabbi Eleazar b. Judah b. Kalonymus, of Worms, the author of the Roke'ah, around
1220 traced the line of tradition through nine generations of rabbis, back to the
Mishnaic period, and traced another line of descent through eleven genertions to
Babyloia. The Kalonymos family was living in Lucca, northern Italy and in the
9th century CE were asked to provide rabbinic leadership to the colony of Jews
settled in the Rhine valley, many of whom came >from the diaspora of North Eastern
France, others who had accompanied the Roman army, as slaves or as traders. The
Kalonymos family provided leadership for the Ashkenazi Jews of the Rhineland for
a few centuries, encompassing the Crusades in which many of the Jewish communities
were exterminated. The Kalonymos family also encompassed many peytanim (poets of
liturgical hymns) whose exquisite thoughts and words extend over much of our
festival prayer books to this date.

The dates of Jewish migration to Eastern Europe can be determined >from contemporary
records and >from cemeteries and archaeological structures. Yiddish and its myriad
imported words point clearly to the migratory paths of the Jew of those times.
The link to 11th-14th century Gernan (specifically Upper Franconia) is quite
clear.

Michael Bernet
New York

agchester@... writes:

"Maybe use of genetics and linguistics open new avenues of knowledge, but in the
meantime, I am suspicious of any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through
Italy, established in Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good."

. . . any certainties as Jews came >from Palestine through Italy, established in
Germany and then moved to Poland, do more harm than good. . . "

. . .that is a pretty strong statement. "do more harm than good. . . " I don't
think anyone with serious knowledge of the history of Jews in Europe in the
millennium after the 70CE destruction of Jerusalem has doubts about the migration
--forced or voluntary--of Jews >from the Holy Land to Italy. While some diasporas
received their traditions, customs, and rules of prayer >from the Babylonian exile
in Baghdad, Italy received and built on the Yerushalmi (Jerusalem) traditions.
Rabbi Eleazar b. Judah b. Kalonymus, of Worms, the author of the Roke'ah, around
1220 traced the line of tradition through nine generations of rabbis, back to the
Mishnaic period, and traced another line of descent through eleven genertions to
Babyloia. The Kalonymos family was living in Lucca, northern Italy and in the
9th century CE were asked to provide rabbinic leadership to the colony of Jews
settled in the Rhine valley, many of whom came >from the diaspora of North Eastern
France, others who had accompanied the Roman army, as slaves or as traders. The
Kalonymos family provided leadership for the Ashkenazi Jews of the Rhineland for
a few centuries, encompassing the Crusades in which many of the Jewish communities
were exterminated. The Kalonymos family also encompassed many peytanim (poets of
liturgical hymns) whose exquisite thoughts and words extend over much of our
festival prayer books to this date.

The dates of Jewish migration to Eastern Europe can be determined >from contemporary
records and >from cemeteries and archaeological structures. Yiddish and its myriad
imported words point clearly to the migratory paths of the Jew of those times.
The link to 11th-14th century Gernan (specifically Upper Franconia) is quite
clear.

Michael Bernet
New York

My ggg-grandfather, Joseph David LEVY, was a "lottery inspector" in 1824 in
Neustrelitz. I have also seen "lottery inspector" listed as the occupation in the
Berlin Address Books that are online. I have searched the SIG & Discussion group
message archives and found no reference to "lottery inspector".

Could someone please tell me what a "lottery inspector"'s ocupation consisted of?

Thank you!

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii

WEISS, NATHAN, HAHN, ITZIG, BENDA, BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS, WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF (all >from Berlin),
LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM (Penzlin),
HIRSCHBERG (Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN (Spandau), SCHWARZ & HARTMANN
(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL (Czempin), NUERENBERG (Leszno)

My ggg-grandfather, Joseph David LEVY, was a "lottery inspector" in 1824 in
Neustrelitz. I have also seen "lottery inspector" listed as the occupation in the
Berlin Address Books that are online. I have searched the SIG & Discussion group
message archives and found no reference to "lottery inspector".

Could someone please tell me what a "lottery inspector"'s ocupation consisted of?

Thank you!

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hawaii

WEISS, NATHAN, HAHN, ITZIG, BENDA, BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS, WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF (all >from Berlin),
LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM (Penzlin),
HIRSCHBERG (Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN (Spandau), SCHWARZ & HARTMANN
(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL (Czempin), NUERENBERG (Leszno)

Peter Haas wrote

I remember that a few months ago, when I was browsing through
tons of names in conjunction with my eastern European ancestors, I came
across several instances where I found names listed as (for example):
"Gutl (umlaut) rekte Netty"

Does anybody know what the significance of the word "rekte" is in the
above context?

The SIG archives contain the answer, the word derives >from Latin
'recte' which means 'correct(ed)." Thus th given name Gutl was
corrected in records to Netty.

Also, does anyone happen to have any thoughts as to where the surnames of
my Galician ancestors may have originated (MARESSE/MAREHSE, BATIST).

According to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database MARRESE
appears in Tarnow and Lwow, BATIST is shown predominantly in
Tarnow.

Best

Alexander Sharon
Calgary

Peter Haas wrote

I remember that a few months ago, when I was browsing through
tons of names in conjunction with my eastern European ancestors, I came
across several instances where I found names listed as (for example):
"Gutl (umlaut) rekte Netty"

Does anybody know what the significance of the word "rekte" is in the
above context?

The SIG archives contain the answer, the word derives >from Latin
'recte' which means 'correct(ed)." Thus th given name Gutl was
corrected in records to Netty.

Also, does anyone happen to have any thoughts as to where the surnames of
my Galician ancestors may have originated (MARESSE/MAREHSE, BATIST).

According to the Jewish Records Indexing-Poland database MARRESE
appears in Tarnow and Lwow, BATIST is shown predominantly in
Tarnow.

Best

Alexander Sharon
Calgary

Many thanks to those who responded to my request for information about Javier Gueilar. One very kind JGenner in Argentina tracked him down. What a great group!

Many thanks to those who responded to my request for information about Javier Gueilar. One very kind JGenner in Argentina tracked him down. What a great group!

For a few months in 2009 I was corresponding with a gentleman >from Argentina by the name of Javier Gueiler. His email address is xxxx@.... For a few weeks now I have not been able to reach him. Is there anybody out there that may know what has happened to him? I feel at a disadvantage since I cannot speak Spanish. If so could you please reply to this query privately to cri@....
Many thanks,
Victor Miller

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Email address removed for privacy reasons.

For a few months in 2009 I was corresponding with a gentleman >from Argentina by the name of Javier Gueiler. His email address is xxxx@.... For a few weeks now I have not been able to reach him. Is there anybody out there that may know what has happened to him? I feel at a disadvantage since I cannot speak Spanish. If so could you please reply to this query privately to cri@....
Many thanks,
Victor Miller

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Email address removed for privacy reasons.

Subject: Deaths records Griva 1890, 1900, 1911.Births records Glazmanka
1889.
From: Christine Usdin
usdine@...

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/vishki/rigavitalrecords.html

Christine Usdin
usdine@...

Subject: Deaths records Griva 1890, 1900, 1911.Births records Glazmanka
1889.
From: Christine Usdin
usdine@...

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/vishki/rigavitalrecords.html

Christine Usdin
usdine@...

I am searching for the daughter of Leo Albert KOENIGSBERGER (KONIGSBERGER with "u"
umlaut) and Kaetchen WEISS KOENIGSBERGER. She was probably born between 1899 and
1912 - in Berlin. Her mother died in 1912 in Berlin and her father died at
Theresienstadt in 1942. Her parents lived at Meinekestrasse 5, Charlottenburg.

I have received information that this daughter was married and had 2 children. In
1938 the family emigrated to Sao Paulo, Brazil. This office in Berlin has no
further information.

I know it is difficult to find someone with no name or date of birth. All I know is
her maiden name was KOENIGSBERGER. I have searched on Ancestry and Jewishgen.

Can someone please tell me how I could find this family in Sao Paulo?

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hi

WEISS, NATHAN,ITZIG, BENDA,BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS,KOENIGSBERGER,WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, HAHN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF(all >from
Berlin), LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM
(Penzlin), HIRSCHBERG(Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN(Spandau), SCHWARZ &
HARTMANN(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL(Czempin), NUERENBERG(Leszno)

I am searching for the daughter of Leo Albert KOENIGSBERGER (KONIGSBERGER with "u"
umlaut) and Kaetchen WEISS KOENIGSBERGER. She was probably born between 1899 and
1912 - in Berlin. Her mother died in 1912 in Berlin and her father died at
Theresienstadt in 1942. Her parents lived at Meinekestrasse 5, Charlottenburg.

I have received information that this daughter was married and had 2 children. In
1938 the family emigrated to Sao Paulo, Brazil. This office in Berlin has no
further information.

I know it is difficult to find someone with no name or date of birth. All I know is
her maiden name was KOENIGSBERGER. I have searched on Ancestry and Jewishgen.

Can someone please tell me how I could find this family in Sao Paulo?

Judith Elam
Kihei, Hi

WEISS, NATHAN,ITZIG, BENDA,BRAUN, HIRSCHBERG, MICHAELIS,KOENIGSBERGER,WEINBERG,
ORENSTEIN, HAHN, NUERENBERG, LEWY, REINHOLD, FISCHEL, BASWITZ, WULFF(all >from
Berlin), LEWY/LEVY (Neustrelitz, Penzlin, Prenzlau, Berlin), ARNHEIM/ARONHEIM
(Penzlin), HIRSCHBERG(Salzwedel), WOLFF/WULFF & NATHAN(Spandau), SCHWARZ &
HARTMANN(Kosten/Koscian), FISCHEL(Czempin), NUERENBERG(Leszno)

Lorna.Brophy@... writes:
"...we are >from the Cohens."

Being ">from the Cohens" may not necessarily mean your family's surname was Cohen
before it was Queen. It may mean merely that your ancestry traces back to Aaron,
brother of Moses. Aaron became the first Israelite high priest, and all his male
children and all their descendents in perpetuity were designated to be priests in
the Jewish religion. These male descendents were and are known as Kohens and many
but not all took the surname "Cohen" and its variant spellings.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI
HERSZFELD, HIRSCHFELD, BUCHSBAUM, BUXSBAUM, LINDENBAUM-Skvaryava, Sielec Bienkow,
Jaryczow Nowy, Glinyany-GALICIA
MINOWICKI, MINOWITZKI-Brest Litovsk, Wysokie Litovsk-Belarus

Lorna.Brophy@... writes:
"...we are >from the Cohens."

Being ">from the Cohens" may not necessarily mean your family's surname was Cohen
before it was Queen. It may mean merely that your ancestry traces back to Aaron,
brother of Moses. Aaron became the first Israelite high priest, and all his male
children and all their descendents in perpetuity were designated to be priests in
the Jewish religion. These male descendents were and are known as Kohens and many
but not all took the surname "Cohen" and its variant spellings.

Joseph Hirschfield
Portage, MI
HERSZFELD, HIRSCHFELD, BUCHSBAUM, BUXSBAUM, LINDENBAUM-Skvaryava, Sielec Bienkow,
Jaryczow Nowy, Glinyany-GALICIA
MINOWICKI, MINOWITZKI-Brest Litovsk, Wysokie Litovsk-Belarus