Does anyone know where or if I can get a 1920/1921 address in Neveh
Tzedek (Jaffa), Israel?

Thanks,

Myrna Siegel
Wilmette, Illinois

Researching:
BORETCKY, GORSKY, KOVENSKY & PLOFSKY >from Baranovichi, Molchadz,
Novogrudok and Slonim, Belarus
ROSENWITZ, STIEN & SIEGEL >from Sirvintos, Svedasai and Uzpaliai, Lithuania
NIEDORF, RABINOWITZ, NADOLNA & OGRODNITZKY >from Tryzcianne, Wizna and
Ostroleka, Poland

Does anyone know where or if I can get a 1920/1921 address in Neveh
Tzedek (Jaffa), Israel?

Thanks,

Myrna Siegel
Wilmette, Illinois

Researching:
BORETCKY, GORSKY, KOVENSKY & PLOFSKY >from Baranovichi, Molchadz,
Novogrudok and Slonim, Belarus
ROSENWITZ, STIEN & SIEGEL >from Sirvintos, Svedasai and Uzpaliai, Lithuania
NIEDORF, RABINOWITZ, NADOLNA & OGRODNITZKY >from Tryzcianne, Wizna and
Ostroleka, Poland

I want to acknowledge the dozens of people who replied to my query.
The take-away for me is that census records were not an exact science.
Many of our ancestors used dual names; and Mano could refer to his
Hungarian name or be a second name.
Thanks for the input.. I will keep plugging away.

Mark STRAUSS (New York City)

Searching:
STRAUSS >from Zatin, Slovakia and Scranton PA;
BERKOWITZ >from Slovakia and Wikes-Barre PA;
BRODY/BRODIE/BROADA/BROIDO >from Zezmer, Lithuania and Atlanta and Youngstown
MARKEL/MERKEL >from Keidan, Lithuania and Boston and Mount Vernon

I want to acknowledge the dozens of people who replied to my query.
The take-away for me is that census records were not an exact science.
Many of our ancestors used dual names; and Mano could refer to his
Hungarian name or be a second name.
Thanks for the input.. I will keep plugging away.

Mark STRAUSS (New York City)

Searching:
STRAUSS >from Zatin, Slovakia and Scranton PA;
BERKOWITZ >from Slovakia and Wikes-Barre PA;
BRODY/BRODIE/BROADA/BROIDO >from Zezmer, Lithuania and Atlanta and Youngstown
MARKEL/MERKEL >from Keidan, Lithuania and Boston and Mount Vernon

Hello to the group,
Three months ago we initiated a research project
to identify paternal line descendants of the
rabbinical Loeb family that included the renowned
MaHaRaL of Prague, his brother Rabbi Sinai, as
well as Rav Gabriel Eskeles. The initial research
is DNA based. A known descendant of the family,
Zeev Eshkolot, was Y-DNA tested by FTDNA. Next,
persons already tested by FTDNA who are close
matches to Zeev Eshkolot were identified also
appearing to be descendants of the Loeb ancestral
line. These persons are members of a newly formed
group, the MaHaRaL Group now comprising 27 persons.

Having discovered the ancestral Y-DNA
characteristic of the Loeb family and starting to
form a DNA based family tree of that family, we
now would like to ask all others who may be
interested to consider taking part. In
particular, if you are in one of the following
two categories you may want to learn more about
our research: (1) You know or believe you are a
descendant of the MaHaRaL or the Loeb family, or
(2) you don't know, but you would like to find
out if you may be such a descendant. The second
category would include persons with the Loeb
surname, or any of its many variations that were
in fact used by members of the family: Loeb,
Loew, Loewe, Loewy, L=F6w, L=F6we, Lowy, Lavi, Levai,
and Eskeles. However, please bear in mind that
even if you don't have a similar surname you may
still be a descendant since most modern surnames
were not adopted until ca. 1800. So far, most of
the persons in the group have different, seemingly unrelated surnames.

If you would like to learn more about the MaHaRaL
Group or participate, please respond privately.
We look forward to hearing >from all interested persons.

Thank you very much,
Herb Huebscher
New Hyde Park, NY
herb.huebscher@...=20

Hello to the group,
Three months ago we initiated a research project
to identify paternal line descendants of the
rabbinical Loeb family that included the renowned
MaHaRaL of Prague, his brother Rabbi Sinai, as
well as Rav Gabriel Eskeles. The initial research
is DNA based. A known descendant of the family,
Zeev Eshkolot, was Y-DNA tested by FTDNA. Next,
persons already tested by FTDNA who are close
matches to Zeev Eshkolot were identified also
appearing to be descendants of the Loeb ancestral
line. These persons are members of a newly formed
group, the MaHaRaL Group now comprising 27 persons.

Having discovered the ancestral Y-DNA
characteristic of the Loeb family and starting to
form a DNA based family tree of that family, we
now would like to ask all others who may be
interested to consider taking part. In
particular, if you are in one of the following
two categories you may want to learn more about
our research: (1) You know or believe you are a
descendant of the MaHaRaL or the Loeb family, or
(2) you don't know, but you would like to find
out if you may be such a descendant. The second
category would include persons with the Loeb
surname, or any of its many variations that were
in fact used by members of the family: Loeb,
Loew, Loewe, Loewy, L=F6w, L=F6we, Lowy, Lavi, Levai,
and Eskeles. However, please bear in mind that
even if you don't have a similar surname you may
still be a descendant since most modern surnames
were not adopted until ca. 1800. So far, most of
the persons in the group have different, seemingly unrelated surnames.

If you would like to learn more about the MaHaRaL
Group or participate, please respond privately.
We look forward to hearing >from all interested persons.

Thank you very much,
Herb Huebscher
New Hyde Park, NY
herb.huebscher@...=20

Ahoj everyone:

One of my family members has a new friend >from Vienna with roots in
Bohemia and I was wondering whether Hradshiner was ever a Jewish
name?

Thanks,
Helen

www.helenepstein.com
Reviewer-at-Large, TheArtsFuse: http://blog.theartsfuse.com/

Hello to the group,
Three months ago we initiated a research project
to identify paternal line descendants of the
rabbinical Loeb family that included the renowned
MaHaRaL of Prague, his brother Rabbi Sinai, as
well as Rav Gabriel Eskeles. The initial research
is DNA based. A known descendant of the family,
Zeev Eshkolot, was Y-DNA tested by FTDNA. Next,
persons already tested by FTDNA who are close
matches to Zeev Eshkolot were identified -- also
appearing to be descendants of the Loeb ancestral
line. These persons are members of a newly formed
group, the MaHaRaL Group -- now comprising 27 persons.

Having discovered the ancestral Y-DNA
characteristic of the Loeb family and starting to
form a DNA based family tree of that family, we
now would like to ask all others who may be
interested to consider taking part. In
particular, if you are in one of the following
two categories you may want to learn more about
our research: (1) You know or believe you are a
descendant of the MaHaRaL or the Loeb family, or
(2) you don't know, but you would like to find
out if you may be such a descendant. The second
category would include persons with the Loeb
surname, or any of its many variations that were
in fact used by members of the family: Loeb,
Loew, Loewe, Loewy, Löw, Löwe, Lowy, Lavi, Levai,
and Eskeles. However, please bear in mind that
even if you don't have a similar surname you may
still be a descendant since most modern surnames
were not adopted until ca. 1800. So far, most of
the persons in the group have different, seemingly unrelated surnames.

If you would like to learn more about the MaHaRaL
Group or participate, please respond privately.
We look forward to hearing >from all interested persons.

Thank you very much,
Herb Huebscher
New Hyde Park, NY
herb.huebscher@...

Ahoj everyone:

One of my family members has a new friend >from Vienna with roots in
Bohemia and I was wondering whether Hradshiner was ever a Jewish
name?

Thanks,
Helen

www.helenepstein.com
Reviewer-at-Large, TheArtsFuse: http://blog.theartsfuse.com/

Hello to the group,
Three months ago we initiated a research project
to identify paternal line descendants of the
rabbinical Loeb family that included the renowned
MaHaRaL of Prague, his brother Rabbi Sinai, as
well as Rav Gabriel Eskeles. The initial research
is DNA based. A known descendant of the family,
Zeev Eshkolot, was Y-DNA tested by FTDNA. Next,
persons already tested by FTDNA who are close
matches to Zeev Eshkolot were identified -- also
appearing to be descendants of the Loeb ancestral
line. These persons are members of a newly formed
group, the MaHaRaL Group -- now comprising 27 persons.

Having discovered the ancestral Y-DNA
characteristic of the Loeb family and starting to
form a DNA based family tree of that family, we
now would like to ask all others who may be
interested to consider taking part. In
particular, if you are in one of the following
two categories you may want to learn more about
our research: (1) You know or believe you are a
descendant of the MaHaRaL or the Loeb family, or
(2) you don't know, but you would like to find
out if you may be such a descendant. The second
category would include persons with the Loeb
surname, or any of its many variations that were
in fact used by members of the family: Loeb,
Loew, Loewe, Loewy, Löw, Löwe, Lowy, Lavi, Levai,
and Eskeles. However, please bear in mind that
even if you don't have a similar surname you may
still be a descendant since most modern surnames
were not adopted until ca. 1800. So far, most of
the persons in the group have different, seemingly unrelated surnames.

If you would like to learn more about the MaHaRaL
Group or participate, please respond privately.
We look forward to hearing >from all interested persons.

Thank you very much,
Herb Huebscher
New Hyde Park, NY
herb.huebscher@...

A cousin is looking to get compensation for property owned by relatives in
Prague and needs proof of residence for 1935-1939. Are there telephone
books or some other kind of documentation available to which I can refer him?
Please respond privately.

Susan L. Lubow
Researching: FLEISCHER in Bohemia, LOWY in Flohau,
ABELES/AREND in Petrowitz, Rakonitz, Prague
KIRSCHENBERGER in Prague
KUSSY/KUSY/KUSSI in Rakonitz, Krashowitz, Vysoke Libyne, Pilsen

A cousin is looking to get compensation for property owned by relatives in
Prague and needs proof of residence for 1935-1939. Are there telephone
books or some other kind of documentation available to which I can refer him?
Please respond privately.

Susan L. Lubow
Researching: FLEISCHER in Bohemia, LOWY in Flohau,
ABELES/AREND in Petrowitz, Rakonitz, Prague
KIRSCHENBERGER in Prague
KUSSY/KUSY/KUSSI in Rakonitz, Krashowitz, Vysoke Libyne, Pilsen

Might I just add a reference to a book that provides an overview of this
subect? "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History" edited by
John Klier and Shlomo Lambroza is available for reference free on Google
books.

Paul K. Hattori
London UK

Might I just add a reference to a book that provides an overview of this
subect? "Pogroms: Anti-Jewish Violence in Modern Russian History" edited by
John Klier and Shlomo Lambroza is available for reference free on Google
books.

Paul K. Hattori
London UK

Dear Genners,
I found a listing for a grave for Chana CYMERMAN in Machsike Hadass
Cemetery, Putte, Belgium. Plot I96-23, dod 5 June 1932. Where can I write for
more information about this person?

Many thanks.

Isabel Cymerman
Roxbury, CT

Dear Genners,
I found a listing for a grave for Chana CYMERMAN in Machsike Hadass
Cemetery, Putte, Belgium. Plot I96-23, dod 5 June 1932. Where can I write for
more information about this person?

Many thanks.

Isabel Cymerman
Roxbury, CT

Thanks to all those who kindly responded with their thoughts on this
subject. Two scholarly resources were identified that clearly indicate
the occupation of "cremati ustor" is that of a distiller. It should be
noted that the Latin used in the Hungarian censuses was not truly
classical Latin but a modified form of the language.

Both references list various occupations in Latin and then their
Hungarian counterparts. The first document can be found at:

http://epa.oszk.hu/01600/01610/00017/pdf/vmm_17_1984_29_rozsanelendvai.pdf

It translates "cremati ustor" as "palinkafozo," meaning "brandy cooking."

The second document has a very lengthy link.
http://books.google.com/books?id=mShAAAAAYAAJ&dq=Magyarorszagi+latins%C3%A1g+
sz%C3%B3t%C3%A1ra:+A+magyar+Tudom%C3%A1nyos+Akad%C3%A9mia+megbiz%C3%A1s%C3%A1b
%C3%B3l+%C3%A9s+k%C3%B6lts%C3%A9g%C3%A9n&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=
zLjHwf6HBH&sig=xZDTInZoFFoQqJvDm2KqlYEsb2Q&hl=en&ei=u60KS9znKMfUlAe-lamFBA&sa=
X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://tinyurl.com/yz6kjcg (Mod)

Or, you can find it on Google books and then search for:

Magyarorszagi latinság szótára: A magyar Tudományos Akadémia megbizasabol es
koltsegen

Then look up "cremati ustor" on page 183. It similarly translates into
"palinkafozes," or "distilling." As part of the definition in Latin it
says "destillatio vini adusti," which I would loosely translate as
"distilling wine by burning." Since brandy is made by distilling wine,
one could interpret such a person as a brandy maker or perhaps more
broadly as a maker of spirits.

Many other occupations listed in the censuses which don't lend
themselves to classical Latin translation can also be found in these two
resources.

Eric M. Bloch
Milwaukee, WI

Thanks to all those who kindly responded with their thoughts on this
subject. Two scholarly resources were identified that clearly indicate
the occupation of "cremati ustor" is that of a distiller. It should be
noted that the Latin used in the Hungarian censuses was not truly
classical Latin but a modified form of the language.

Both references list various occupations in Latin and then their
Hungarian counterparts. The first document can be found at:

http://epa.oszk.hu/01600/01610/00017/pdf/vmm_17_1984_29_rozsanelendvai.pdf

It translates "cremati ustor" as "palinkafozo," meaning "brandy cooking."

The second document has a very lengthy link.
http://books.google.com/books?id=mShAAAAAYAAJ&dq=Magyarorszagi+latins%C3%A1g+
sz%C3%B3t%C3%A1ra:+A+magyar+Tudom%C3%A1nyos+Akad%C3%A9mia+megbiz%C3%A1s%C3%A1b
%C3%B3l+%C3%A9s+k%C3%B6lts%C3%A9g%C3%A9n&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=
zLjHwf6HBH&sig=xZDTInZoFFoQqJvDm2KqlYEsb2Q&hl=en&ei=u60KS9znKMfUlAe-lamFBA&sa=
X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://tinyurl.com/yz6kjcg (Mod)

Or, you can find it on Google books and then search for:

Magyarorszagi latinság szótára: A magyar Tudományos Akadémia megbizasabol es
koltsegen

Then look up "cremati ustor" on page 183. It similarly translates into
"palinkafozes," or "distilling." As part of the definition in Latin it
says "destillatio vini adusti," which I would loosely translate as
"distilling wine by burning." Since brandy is made by distilling wine,
one could interpret such a person as a brandy maker or perhaps more
broadly as a maker of spirits.

Many other occupations listed in the censuses which don't lend
themselves to classical Latin translation can also be found in these two
resources.

Eric M. Bloch
Milwaukee, WI

I have reason to believe that two particular men are brothers but I
can't document it. According to a family memoir, one brother, my
ggf, emigrated to the U.S. in 1882 >from Pultusk, Poland (Russia at
the time) and lived here with the name Solomon Mordachai SALUNSKY.
He was born in 1834. A younger brother, born 1837, preceded him to
America, but dropped his surname according to family anecdote, lived
in New York City, and founded a high-end haberdashery business,
John David Clothiers.

I have gathered data >from censuses which lead me to suspect that the
younger brother may be Gabriel DAVID, born in 1834, working in the
clothing business in New York City in 1860, living with a family
headed by Joseph David who is only 11 years older (so Joseph
couldn't be his father), marries in 1868, has a son John in 1870,
who becomes the clothing magnate of our family story. There is a
problem, though. Gabriel David's census data has his origin as
Prussia. (Joseph David was >from Schroda near Pozen.) At one time
Prussia contained both the cities Pultusk and Pozen, but they are a
long distance apart.

Solomon visited his brother in the states around 1870, saved a little
money, and returned to Poland where he was able to lease an estate
for farming in Pultusk. Possibly Solomon actually was >from the
Pozen area and moved to Pultusk later. His bother emigrated at age
20. Solomon is 23 then. It is more than 10 years later that Solomon
is in Pultusk. I can't find a document that ties these two men
together other than the family stories.

Another troubling thing is that Solomon comes to America not once,
but twice and yet I can't find a ship manifest with his name on it.

Perhaps these two men are not related, but there are many details
about the two that agree with the family memoir.

Can someone offer me some help?

Ephraim Salins
Damascus, Maryland
ephsalins@...

I have reason to believe that two particular men are brothers but I
can't document it. According to a family memoir, one brother, my
ggf, emigrated to the U.S. in 1882 >from Pultusk, Poland (Russia at
the time) and lived here with the name Solomon Mordachai SALUNSKY.
He was born in 1834. A younger brother, born 1837, preceded him to
America, but dropped his surname according to family anecdote, lived
in New York City, and founded a high-end haberdashery business,
John David Clothiers.

I have gathered data >from censuses which lead me to suspect that the
younger brother may be Gabriel DAVID, born in 1834, working in the
clothing business in New York City in 1860, living with a family
headed by Joseph David who is only 11 years older (so Joseph
couldn't be his father), marries in 1868, has a son John in 1870,
who becomes the clothing magnate of our family story. There is a
problem, though. Gabriel David's census data has his origin as
Prussia. (Joseph David was >from Schroda near Pozen.) At one time
Prussia contained both the cities Pultusk and Pozen, but they are a
long distance apart.

Solomon visited his brother in the states around 1870, saved a little
money, and returned to Poland where he was able to lease an estate
for farming in Pultusk. Possibly Solomon actually was >from the
Pozen area and moved to Pultusk later. His bother emigrated at age
20. Solomon is 23 then. It is more than 10 years later that Solomon
is in Pultusk. I can't find a document that ties these two men
together other than the family stories.

Another troubling thing is that Solomon comes to America not once,
but twice and yet I can't find a ship manifest with his name on it.

Perhaps these two men are not related, but there are many details
about the two that agree with the family memoir.

Can someone offer me some help?

Ephraim Salins
Damascus, Maryland
ephsalins@...