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UNGAR family from Boskovice #general

vickyunwin@...
 

I am trying to trace my family going back to great grandfather Emil UNGAR
(who was married to Jeannette KOHN (b 1867 d 1942 Warsaw)), my grandfather
Hermann UNGAR, renowned novelist in German and diplomat in Berlin, friend of
Kafka and Thomas Mann (b 1893 d 1929 Warsaw) and his brother Felix (b1894 d
1942 Warsaw), his sister Gertrude (d 1946 in Palestine); Felix's wife
Marianne KNOPFELMACHER (b 1903 d 1942 Warsaw), their sons Hans Georg (b 1933
d 1942 Warsaw) Otto (b 1934 d 1944 Warsaw). My father Thomas Unwin who
escaped to England in 1939 with his mother Margaret Ungar nee STRANSKY (died
in 1980s) is very ill, his brothers John WEISS and Alexander UNWIN (both
emigrated to Canada after the war) are both dead.

I can be contacted either direct or through the Discussion Group; I would be
so grateful for any information.

Vicky Unwin
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen UNGAR family from Boskovice #general

vickyunwin@...
 

I am trying to trace my family going back to great grandfather Emil UNGAR
(who was married to Jeannette KOHN (b 1867 d 1942 Warsaw)), my grandfather
Hermann UNGAR, renowned novelist in German and diplomat in Berlin, friend of
Kafka and Thomas Mann (b 1893 d 1929 Warsaw) and his brother Felix (b1894 d
1942 Warsaw), his sister Gertrude (d 1946 in Palestine); Felix's wife
Marianne KNOPFELMACHER (b 1903 d 1942 Warsaw), their sons Hans Georg (b 1933
d 1942 Warsaw) Otto (b 1934 d 1944 Warsaw). My father Thomas Unwin who
escaped to England in 1939 with his mother Margaret Ungar nee STRANSKY (died
in 1980s) is very ill, his brothers John WEISS and Alexander UNWIN (both
emigrated to Canada after the war) are both dead.

I can be contacted either direct or through the Discussion Group; I would be
so grateful for any information.

Vicky Unwin
London


arrival information for SS New York in 1902 #general

philafrum
 

Dear Genners:

A possible relative listed on his naturalization document that he arrived
on the SS New York on November 15, 1902. Unfortunately there are no SS
New York arrivals listed for that year on Steve Morse's ship lists.

Does anyone know where I can find SS New York arrivals in 1902?

Many thanks.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen arrival information for SS New York in 1902 #general

philafrum
 

Dear Genners:

A possible relative listed on his naturalization document that he arrived
on the SS New York on November 15, 1902. Unfortunately there are no SS
New York arrivals listed for that year on Steve Morse's ship lists.

Does anyone know where I can find SS New York arrivals in 1902?

Many thanks.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland ShtetLinks Project Report for May 2009 #poland #warsaw

bounce-1846407-772981@...
 

We are pleased to welcome the following webpages to JewishGen
ShtetLinks. We thank the owners and webmasters of these shtetlpages
for creating fitting memorials to the Jewish Communities that once
lived in those shtetlach and for providing a valuable resource for
future generations of their descendants.

Basavilbaso (Lucienville), Argentina
Created by Yehuda Mathov
Webmaster: Gene Dershewitz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/basavilbaso/
~~~

Hodmezovasarhely, Hungary
Created by Judy Petersen
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/hodmezovasarhely/
~~~

Michalovce (Nagymihaly), Slovakia
Created by Marshall J. Katz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Michalovce/
~~~

Tiszalok, Hungary
Created by Stuart Ungar
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/tiszalok/Welcome.html
~~~

Ujfeherto (Ratzfert), Hungary
Created by Eugene Katz and Marshall J. Katz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ujfeherto/
~~~

Some of our shtetlpages were created by people who are no longer able
to maintain them. We thank them for their past efforts and wish them
luck on their future endeavors. We are happy to announce that one of
these shtetlach was recently "adopted":

Mikulov (Nikolsburg), Czech Republic
Shtetlpage adopted by Robert M. Lenk
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Nikolsburg/homeniko.htm
~~~

ShtetLinks webpages recently updated:

Harbin, China
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/harbin/index.htm
~~~

If you wish to follow their example and create a ShtetLinks webpage
for your ancestral shtetl or adopt an exiting "orphaned" shtetlpage
please contact us at: < shtetl-help@... >
~~~

GOOD NEWS!! As a result for our appeal for HTML volunteers we now have
a team of dedicated people who will help you create a webpage for
your ancestral home.
Please contact us if you would like help in creating a ShtetLinks webpage.

Susana Leistner Bloch, VP, ShtetLinks, JewishGen, Inc.
Barbara Ellman, ShtetLinks Technical Coordinator

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send responses to < shtetl-help@... >.
Do not use your e-mail's "reply" button.


ShtetLinks Project Report for May 2009 #warsaw #poland

bounce-1846407-772981@...
 

We are pleased to welcome the following webpages to JewishGen
ShtetLinks. We thank the owners and webmasters of these shtetlpages
for creating fitting memorials to the Jewish Communities that once
lived in those shtetlach and for providing a valuable resource for
future generations of their descendants.

Basavilbaso (Lucienville), Argentina
Created by Yehuda Mathov
Webmaster: Gene Dershewitz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/basavilbaso/
~~~

Hodmezovasarhely, Hungary
Created by Judy Petersen
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/hodmezovasarhely/
~~~

Michalovce (Nagymihaly), Slovakia
Created by Marshall J. Katz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Michalovce/
~~~

Tiszalok, Hungary
Created by Stuart Ungar
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/tiszalok/Welcome.html
~~~

Ujfeherto (Ratzfert), Hungary
Created by Eugene Katz and Marshall J. Katz
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ujfeherto/
~~~

Some of our shtetlpages were created by people who are no longer able
to maintain them. We thank them for their past efforts and wish them
luck on their future endeavors. We are happy to announce that one of
these shtetlach was recently "adopted":

Mikulov (Nikolsburg), Czech Republic
Shtetlpage adopted by Robert M. Lenk
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Nikolsburg/homeniko.htm
~~~

ShtetLinks webpages recently updated:

Harbin, China
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/harbin/index.htm
~~~

If you wish to follow their example and create a ShtetLinks webpage
for your ancestral shtetl or adopt an exiting "orphaned" shtetlpage
please contact us at: < shtetl-help@... >
~~~

GOOD NEWS!! As a result for our appeal for HTML volunteers we now have
a team of dedicated people who will help you create a webpage for
your ancestral home.
Please contact us if you would like help in creating a ShtetLinks webpage.

Susana Leistner Bloch, VP, ShtetLinks, JewishGen, Inc.
Barbara Ellman, ShtetLinks Technical Coordinator

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send responses to < shtetl-help@... >.
Do not use your e-mail's "reply" button.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: One afternoon in Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Julia Maria Koszewska
 

Dear Nicolas,

if you have some relatives' tombs at the cemetery that'd be a great
opportunity to see them. The cemetery is open for visits and if you
ask the staff for help, they'd be eager to help you to locate the
tombs.

you can also check it here:http://www.cemetery.jewish.org.pl(this
project is for indexing tombs on the jewish cemetery in Warsaw)
official cemetery website is:http://www.beisolam.jewish.org.pl/here
you can check i.e. the opening hours.

concerning the tour i suggest you check the website:
http://www.um.warszawa.pl/zmh/ it is a very good historical and
practical website by Holocaust historian, based on the Warsaw City
official domain. You may find here historical descriptions as well as
practical guides where to find some interesting places: judaica
(Holocaust period but not only) in the current city of Warsaw. This
website is also good for finding various addresses of such sites,
especially since 19th century they have changed several times. Not
only the names, but also even if names are still the same, sometimes
the venue of street has changed i.e. a few meters. Warsaw was so much
destroyed after WWII that it would've been impossible to keep exactly
same structure of streets as in 19th century, plus the streets names
are so much influenced usually by history, that they do change,
especially the names that are after some people, political or social
leaders.

If you'd need some further suggestions/assistance, should you not
hesitate to contact me (living in Warsaw I can serve as a local
contact :) ).

Sincerely,
Julia Koszewska
p.s. Even you've requested to answer you privately, i've decided to
post this message to the whole group since I guess you're not the
first one that may come to the mailing group with this question and
also the links i've provided may serve for genealogical research not
only for those that plan to visit the city in person but are just
searching for information via Internet.
---------------------------------------------------------
Julia Maria Koszewska
http://julia.koszewska.googlepages.com/


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Warsaw Jewish Cemetery at Okopowa Street #poland #warsaw

KAGSEF@...
 

I just wanted to thank the contributors to this list for not only their
contributions, but their good manners. Richard Cooper wrote a thank
you to Zvi Wolicki for providing a link to the virtual Warsaw Jewish
Cemetery at Okopowa Street. Somehow I never saw the original link, but
after reading Richard's thank you, I clicked and had fantastic success!
For the first time ever, I carried one of my lines back two more
generations, back to my great-great-great grandfather!

Thanks again,
Kathy Sefton
searching: AUGENLICHT, Poland; GREBETZ, Lithuania now Belarus; ERLICH,
Poland; and KAGAN, Lithuania


Re: One afternoon in Warsaw #warsaw #poland

Julia Maria Koszewska
 

Dear Nicolas,

if you have some relatives' tombs at the cemetery that'd be a great
opportunity to see them. The cemetery is open for visits and if you
ask the staff for help, they'd be eager to help you to locate the
tombs.

you can also check it here:http://www.cemetery.jewish.org.pl(this
project is for indexing tombs on the jewish cemetery in Warsaw)
official cemetery website is:http://www.beisolam.jewish.org.pl/here
you can check i.e. the opening hours.

concerning the tour i suggest you check the website:
http://www.um.warszawa.pl/zmh/ it is a very good historical and
practical website by Holocaust historian, based on the Warsaw City
official domain. You may find here historical descriptions as well as
practical guides where to find some interesting places: judaica
(Holocaust period but not only) in the current city of Warsaw. This
website is also good for finding various addresses of such sites,
especially since 19th century they have changed several times. Not
only the names, but also even if names are still the same, sometimes
the venue of street has changed i.e. a few meters. Warsaw was so much
destroyed after WWII that it would've been impossible to keep exactly
same structure of streets as in 19th century, plus the streets names
are so much influenced usually by history, that they do change,
especially the names that are after some people, political or social
leaders.

If you'd need some further suggestions/assistance, should you not
hesitate to contact me (living in Warsaw I can serve as a local
contact :) ).

Sincerely,
Julia Koszewska
p.s. Even you've requested to answer you privately, i've decided to
post this message to the whole group since I guess you're not the
first one that may come to the mailing group with this question and
also the links i've provided may serve for genealogical research not
only for those that plan to visit the city in person but are just
searching for information via Internet.
---------------------------------------------------------
Julia Maria Koszewska
http://julia.koszewska.googlepages.com/


Warsaw Jewish Cemetery at Okopowa Street #warsaw #poland

KAGSEF@...
 

I just wanted to thank the contributors to this list for not only their
contributions, but their good manners. Richard Cooper wrote a thank
you to Zvi Wolicki for providing a link to the virtual Warsaw Jewish
Cemetery at Okopowa Street. Somehow I never saw the original link, but
after reading Richard's thank you, I clicked and had fantastic success!
For the first time ever, I carried one of my lines back two more
generations, back to my great-great-great grandfather!

Thanks again,
Kathy Sefton
searching: AUGENLICHT, Poland; GREBETZ, Lithuania now Belarus; ERLICH,
Poland; and KAGAN, Lithuania


Re: Suicide in San Francisco & Newspaper Research #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Although the person inquiring about her relative's suicide in San Francisco has
learned that there were no results found for this person in a search of the San
Franciscso chronicle, there certainly were times when a suicide -- especially if
the police were involved -- was mentioned in the course of a news article.

Here's are a few examples >from the New York Times in the late 1890s: Under the
headline "City and Suburban News" in March 1892 -- "Joseph Ratner, a Hebrew who had
been married but two months, committed suicide yesterday afternoon by shooting '
himself. He lived at 210 Forsyth Street. Despondency caused by sickness is
believed to have prompted the suicide."

In 1881 Babetta Schield, wife of Julius a "Hebrew" butter dealer, but her own
throat, leaving a note in Hebrew that her children would not disclose to reporters.

Julius Porges, a Hungarian Jew and principal of a Hebrew Free School at 105 E.
Broadway in New York city hanged himself in a classroom in 1882. He left a note
saying he wanted to be "buried secretly."

Another sad story appears about the suicide in 1897 by drowning in the "North
River" (Hudson River) by a 14 year old boy "despairing of securing himself an
education" >from the lower east side. Benjamin Simon, who had failed an exam to
become a labor "agitator" to fight for decent wages for the working masses was
despondent, and his entire note to his parents is printed in the paper. The Times
reports that the case baffeled investigators, since "he was a Hebrew and suicide is
a rare crime among members of that race."

Anyone researching deaths of relatives involving unusual circumstances should
always check with digital historical newspaper databases in the off-chance it might
have been covered and -- quite often -- in extensive detail.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica,CA
pweisberger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Suicide in San Francisco & Newspaper Research #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Although the person inquiring about her relative's suicide in San Francisco has
learned that there were no results found for this person in a search of the San
Franciscso chronicle, there certainly were times when a suicide -- especially if
the police were involved -- was mentioned in the course of a news article.

Here's are a few examples >from the New York Times in the late 1890s: Under the
headline "City and Suburban News" in March 1892 -- "Joseph Ratner, a Hebrew who had
been married but two months, committed suicide yesterday afternoon by shooting '
himself. He lived at 210 Forsyth Street. Despondency caused by sickness is
believed to have prompted the suicide."

In 1881 Babetta Schield, wife of Julius a "Hebrew" butter dealer, but her own
throat, leaving a note in Hebrew that her children would not disclose to reporters.

Julius Porges, a Hungarian Jew and principal of a Hebrew Free School at 105 E.
Broadway in New York city hanged himself in a classroom in 1882. He left a note
saying he wanted to be "buried secretly."

Another sad story appears about the suicide in 1897 by drowning in the "North
River" (Hudson River) by a 14 year old boy "despairing of securing himself an
education" >from the lower east side. Benjamin Simon, who had failed an exam to
become a labor "agitator" to fight for decent wages for the working masses was
despondent, and his entire note to his parents is printed in the paper. The Times
reports that the case baffeled investigators, since "he was a Hebrew and suicide is
a rare crime among members of that race."

Anyone researching deaths of relatives involving unusual circumstances should
always check with digital historical newspaper databases in the off-chance it might
have been covered and -- quite often -- in extensive detail.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica,CA
pweisberger@...


1911 Census (UK) for Wales now on-Line #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Last October 20, 21 and December 27 I reported to this Forum that parts of the
1911 Census for England, Wales and Ireland being released before the 100-year rule
(for background on why read the October 20, 2008 posting by going to the JewishGen
archives). The National Archives developed an on-line 1911 census service with its
external partner FindMypast.com. (www.findmypast.com)

To access the records, G-go to http://www.1911census.co.uk/ click about the 1911
census" then on the left hand side click "The Welsh Records".

Every ten years the United Kingdom (for purposes of this posting, England and
Wales) conducts a census. There is a long-standing rule that census information may
not be released in less than 100 years. The 1911 census for Wales has just been
released and posted on-line at FindMyPast.com. The census was taken Sunday, April
2, 1911 and covers 2.4 million people. The 1911 census is the most detailed census
since the UK started to take the decennial census and the first in which the
original census forms were preserved, therefore enabling the viewer to see the
person's actual handwriting. There are some unique challenges for the Welsh census.
Prior to the 1911 census, only the enumerators’ books were retained, and these were
completed in English. On the 1911 census, householders were given the option of
filling in the form in Welsh or English. Around eight and a half per cent of the
population in Wales spoke Welsh as their first language, so a percentage of the
forms were written in Welsh. The difficulty of searching Welsh records is
compounded by the fact that a few common surnames account for a large percentage of
the population, and you may need extra information to narrow your search. On the
FindMyPast website under Welsh records, they have Welsh translation tables and
search tips to assist you, as well as a sample of the census form.

Information contained on the census form includes: the name, age, place of birth,
marital status and occupation of every resident in every home, as well as their
relationship to the head of the household. Because these records were released in
advance of the scheduled 2012 date, certain sensitive information relating to
infirmity and to children of women prisoners is not yet available.

This is a subscription-based site; searches are free, but you pay as you go to view
each record - 10 credits per transcript and 30 credits for each original household
page. Visitors to the website can buy 60 credits for £6.95.

Great News! FindMyPast.com will be one of the many available databases on the 28
resource room computers at the 29th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in
Philadelphia August 2-7, 2009! FindMyPast.com is making their databases free on the
resource room computers- so take advantage while you are at the conference!

Jan Meisels Allen
Director, IAJGS and
Chairperson, Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1911 Census (UK) for Wales now on-Line #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

Last October 20, 21 and December 27 I reported to this Forum that parts of the
1911 Census for England, Wales and Ireland being released before the 100-year rule
(for background on why read the October 20, 2008 posting by going to the JewishGen
archives). The National Archives developed an on-line 1911 census service with its
external partner FindMypast.com. (www.findmypast.com)

To access the records, G-go to http://www.1911census.co.uk/ click about the 1911
census" then on the left hand side click "The Welsh Records".

Every ten years the United Kingdom (for purposes of this posting, England and
Wales) conducts a census. There is a long-standing rule that census information may
not be released in less than 100 years. The 1911 census for Wales has just been
released and posted on-line at FindMyPast.com. The census was taken Sunday, April
2, 1911 and covers 2.4 million people. The 1911 census is the most detailed census
since the UK started to take the decennial census and the first in which the
original census forms were preserved, therefore enabling the viewer to see the
person's actual handwriting. There are some unique challenges for the Welsh census.
Prior to the 1911 census, only the enumerators’ books were retained, and these were
completed in English. On the 1911 census, householders were given the option of
filling in the form in Welsh or English. Around eight and a half per cent of the
population in Wales spoke Welsh as their first language, so a percentage of the
forms were written in Welsh. The difficulty of searching Welsh records is
compounded by the fact that a few common surnames account for a large percentage of
the population, and you may need extra information to narrow your search. On the
FindMyPast website under Welsh records, they have Welsh translation tables and
search tips to assist you, as well as a sample of the census form.

Information contained on the census form includes: the name, age, place of birth,
marital status and occupation of every resident in every home, as well as their
relationship to the head of the household. Because these records were released in
advance of the scheduled 2012 date, certain sensitive information relating to
infirmity and to children of women prisoners is not yet available.

This is a subscription-based site; searches are free, but you pay as you go to view
each record - 10 credits per transcript and 30 credits for each original household
page. Visitors to the website can buy 60 credits for £6.95.

Great News! FindMyPast.com will be one of the many available databases on the 28
resource room computers at the 29th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in
Philadelphia August 2-7, 2009! FindMyPast.com is making their databases free on the
resource room computers- so take advantage while you are at the conference!

Jan Meisels Allen
Director, IAJGS and
Chairperson, Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Seeking publications of Sophia Warszawczyk Smolian #lithuania

Mark Strauss
 

Dear Litvaksig enthusiasts,

I'm trying to find publications of my great-great aunt, Sophia
Warszawczyk Smolian, originally >from Kovno and Lodz, sister of my
great-grandmother Anna Warszawczk Markel.

In her death, notice published in the NY Times on 11/23/1933, it stated
the following:
"Sophia Smolian, Yiddish poet and philosopher, widow of Oscar Smolian,
New York merchant, died yesterday at the home of her son... She was
born in Kovno, Lithuania, seventy six years ago. Her writings include
two volumes of poems and one volume of philosophy."

In researching yiddish poets and philosophers, I can not find any
records of her work. Does anyone have any knowledge of her
publications? I would be most appreciative.

Mark Strauss in New York
Searching: Strauss >from Zeteny,Slovakia and Scranton, PA; Berkowitz
from Slovakia and Wilkes Barre, PA; Markel (Margul) >from Lodz;
Warszawczk >from Kovno, Lithuania; and Brodie/Brody/Brauda/Broido >from
Ketovsky, Vilna Gubemia, Lithuania and Zizmai, Lithuania


Seeking publications of Sophia Warszawczyk Smolian #lithuania

Mark Strauss
 

Dear Litvaksig enthusiasts,

I'm trying to find publications of my great-great aunt, Sophia
Warszawczyk Smolian, originally >from Kovno and Lodz, sister of my
great-grandmother Anna Warszawczk Markel.

In her death, notice published in the NY Times on 11/23/1933, it stated
the following:
"Sophia Smolian, Yiddish poet and philosopher, widow of Oscar Smolian,
New York merchant, died yesterday at the home of her son... She was
born in Kovno, Lithuania, seventy six years ago. Her writings include
two volumes of poems and one volume of philosophy."

In researching yiddish poets and philosophers, I can not find any
records of her work. Does anyone have any knowledge of her
publications? I would be most appreciative.

Mark Strauss in New York
Searching: Strauss >from Zeteny,Slovakia and Scranton, PA; Berkowitz
from Slovakia and Wilkes Barre, PA; Markel (Margul) >from Lodz;
Warszawczk >from Kovno, Lithuania; and Brodie/Brody/Brauda/Broido >from
Ketovsky, Vilna Gubemia, Lithuania and Zizmai, Lithuania


Miodowa Street Cemetery in Krakow #poland

Brian Blitz
 

About ten years ago, there was a message posted to the JewishGen lists
regarding an ongoing project to index the names in one of the burial
registers for the Miodowa Street Cemetery in Krakow (supposedly 20,000+
names). Can anyone direct me to the results of that project? I am familiar
with the lists on shoreshim.org, but those lists do not appear to have as
many names.

Alternatively, does anyone know who to contact to have someone look up
information in the burial register?

Thank you.

Regards,
Brian Blitz
New York
blitzba@...

Researching: GLICKSTEIN/GLUCKSTERN (Sniatyn, Kamenka), DORTER (Galicia),
LANGER (Krakow), KLIMPL (Bohemia), SALZ (Krakow, Jaworow), HAUSELBERG/
HEISELBERG (Krakow, Jaworow), WEBER (Jaworow), ZIMMERMAN (Jaworow),
HEIMBERGER (Lvov, Brody, Vienna)


JRI Poland #Poland Miodowa Street Cemetery in Krakow #poland

Brian Blitz
 

About ten years ago, there was a message posted to the JewishGen lists
regarding an ongoing project to index the names in one of the burial
registers for the Miodowa Street Cemetery in Krakow (supposedly 20,000+
names). Can anyone direct me to the results of that project? I am familiar
with the lists on shoreshim.org, but those lists do not appear to have as
many names.

Alternatively, does anyone know who to contact to have someone look up
information in the burial register?

Thank you.

Regards,
Brian Blitz
New York
blitzba@...

Researching: GLICKSTEIN/GLUCKSTERN (Sniatyn, Kamenka), DORTER (Galicia),
LANGER (Krakow), KLIMPL (Bohemia), SALZ (Krakow, Jaworow), HAUSELBERG/
HEISELBERG (Krakow, Jaworow), WEBER (Jaworow), ZIMMERMAN (Jaworow),
HEIMBERGER (Lvov, Brody, Vienna)


Re: Suicide in San Francisco, More #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

After a comment >from someone regarding their grandfather's suicide which was
mentioned in the newspaper in San Francisco, I would like to amend a bit my prior
comments on this topic.

I did a little more digging and found that indeed there were many attempted and
full suicides or just incidents describing the method of death (taking prussic
acid) which left no doubt that death was caused by suicide. There were also many
suspicious deaths which might have been murder and/or suicide. These were written
up as newsworthy stories in the San Francisco Chronicle with all of the gory
details splashed out in print. For just one year alone, 1897, I found thousands of
mentions. With all of the details or clues so well-defined, any latterday Jewish
genealogical detective can determine for themselves what really happened!!!

So, while the families may not have mentioned the event, the newspapers might have
and in great detail.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Suicide in San Francisco, More #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

After a comment >from someone regarding their grandfather's suicide which was
mentioned in the newspaper in San Francisco, I would like to amend a bit my prior
comments on this topic.

I did a little more digging and found that indeed there were many attempted and
full suicides or just incidents describing the method of death (taking prussic
acid) which left no doubt that death was caused by suicide. There were also many
suspicious deaths which might have been murder and/or suicide. These were written
up as newsworthy stories in the San Francisco Chronicle with all of the gory
details splashed out in print. For just one year alone, 1897, I found thousands of
mentions. With all of the details or clues so well-defined, any latterday Jewish
genealogical detective can determine for themselves what really happened!!!

So, while the families may not have mentioned the event, the newspapers might have
and in great detail.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...