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Re: Uncooperative Macher #general

david rubin <dovrubin1@...>
 

On Mon, 1/19/09, Ron Kaminker <Ron@...> wrote:
With great excitement and anticipation, I contacted all of
the people on the JGFF list. They were all very friendly
and helpful with their information except for
the "Macher" who has not provided one single
piece of information. I have contacted this person numerous
times over the past 2+ years
Hello,

First of all, never give up. It took Mrs. Rubin at least
13+ years to get information >from one member of a large
family she was researching. Letters were sent every year
to all ten known members without response. Then one day
one decided to write back. Then another several
years of correspondence passed by to locate a member of
the family that had reliable information and documents.

However, our opinion is that by mentioning the family
surname and that the problem you are having is with
someone who listed this surname in JGFF, that your
posting probably did more harm than good. And possibly
created a permanent wall between you and this person.

At this point we would suggest trying to research
this person's family and contact other members in
hope that they might be more cooperative, or at least
have a good relatationship with this person. If any of
the other people listed on JGFF that you had a good
response >from are related to this person, it would be
a place to start.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin


JewishGen is moving! #warsaw #poland

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

JewishGen is moving!

The re-hosting of the JewishGen servers >from Texas to
the new location at the Ancestry.com data center is
scheduled to occur beginning on Tuesday, January 27.

We hope to make this transition as quickly as possible.
But in order to ensure the complete and reliable transfer
of data, it will be necessary to completely shut down all
JewishGen servers for a period of time.

We will start up the new servers as soon as possible,
but we may encounter some "bumps" in our initial operations
in the new location, as there are many programs and
operations to be ported and configured.

We anticipate that after the transition, JewishGen will
be stronger, faster, and more reliable than ever.
Thank you for your continued patience and support,
and we look forward to providing you with an
ever-improving JewishGen experience.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
<wblatt@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Uncooperative Macher #general

david rubin <dovrubin1@...>
 

On Mon, 1/19/09, Ron Kaminker <Ron@...> wrote:
With great excitement and anticipation, I contacted all of
the people on the JGFF list. They were all very friendly
and helpful with their information except for
the "Macher" who has not provided one single
piece of information. I have contacted this person numerous
times over the past 2+ years
Hello,

First of all, never give up. It took Mrs. Rubin at least
13+ years to get information >from one member of a large
family she was researching. Letters were sent every year
to all ten known members without response. Then one day
one decided to write back. Then another several
years of correspondence passed by to locate a member of
the family that had reliable information and documents.

However, our opinion is that by mentioning the family
surname and that the problem you are having is with
someone who listed this surname in JGFF, that your
posting probably did more harm than good. And possibly
created a permanent wall between you and this person.

At this point we would suggest trying to research
this person's family and contact other members in
hope that they might be more cooperative, or at least
have a good relatationship with this person. If any of
the other people listed on JGFF that you had a good
response >from are related to this person, it would be
a place to start.

Sincerely,
David Rubin and Mrs. Rubin


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland JewishGen is moving! #poland #warsaw

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

JewishGen is moving!

The re-hosting of the JewishGen servers >from Texas to
the new location at the Ancestry.com data center is
scheduled to occur beginning on Tuesday, January 27.

We hope to make this transition as quickly as possible.
But in order to ensure the complete and reliable transfer
of data, it will be necessary to completely shut down all
JewishGen servers for a period of time.

We will start up the new servers as soon as possible,
but we may encounter some "bumps" in our initial operations
in the new location, as there are many programs and
operations to be ported and configured.

We anticipate that after the transition, JewishGen will
be stronger, faster, and more reliable than ever.
Thank you for your continued patience and support,
and we look forward to providing you with an
ever-improving JewishGen experience.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
<wblatt@...>


JGS meeting announcements #general

Barbara S. Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Lyn Blyden, Ronald Doctor, Melanie Grishman, Paul Lewis, Sylvia Furshman
Nusinov and Sandy Imyak (among others) are to be commended for using clear
and informative subject lines for their announcements of local JGS meetings.

They use the a format such as:
'JGS Oregon,', 'JGS N.Jersey,', 'JGSGW January program & meeting,' or
'JGSPBCI, FL - January Membership Meeting.'

With the above formats, the reader doesn't have to open the email
to see if it is relevant to him.

Meeting notices with such subject lines as:
'Jewish Genealogy Society of Xxxxxxxxxxxx, Meeting of Sunday,
March 8, 2009 at 10.00 AM'

are not user friendly as one has to open the email to read the entire
subject line. When the latter format is used, all I can see in my
preview pane is
Jewish Genealogy Society of Xx...

So again, kudos to those write brief and informative subject lines.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS meeting announcements #general

Barbara S. Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Lyn Blyden, Ronald Doctor, Melanie Grishman, Paul Lewis, Sylvia Furshman
Nusinov and Sandy Imyak (among others) are to be commended for using clear
and informative subject lines for their announcements of local JGS meetings.

They use the a format such as:
'JGS Oregon,', 'JGS N.Jersey,', 'JGSGW January program & meeting,' or
'JGSPBCI, FL - January Membership Meeting.'

With the above formats, the reader doesn't have to open the email
to see if it is relevant to him.

Meeting notices with such subject lines as:
'Jewish Genealogy Society of Xxxxxxxxxxxx, Meeting of Sunday,
March 8, 2009 at 10.00 AM'

are not user friendly as one has to open the email to read the entire
subject line. When the latter format is used, all I can see in my
preview pane is
Jewish Genealogy Society of Xx...

So again, kudos to those write brief and informative subject lines.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ


Re: Uncooperative Macher #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

There are some people who just will never be ready to give anything.
I have sent information to a lot of people, and I learned to hold some
back - if you give them everything they want the first time, you will
never hear >from them again. One guy wanted to exchange information,
and what I got >from him consisted of a little of what I had sent him,
Bruckheimers in his tree (not a Bruckheimer family tree, so my
immediate family was all he sent).

When I said something, he said that he did not have anybody else's
permission (how many dead people give permission). Apparently he
didn't even give his own permission.

Anyway, I will get an answer to 'if this is of interest, I have more'.

However, most people are very generous. If you want my 8000
relatives, I'll send them.

Let me guess. Hmmm, I bet I know who the Macher is,

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Uncooperative Macher #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

There are some people who just will never be ready to give anything.
I have sent information to a lot of people, and I learned to hold some
back - if you give them everything they want the first time, you will
never hear >from them again. One guy wanted to exchange information,
and what I got >from him consisted of a little of what I had sent him,
Bruckheimers in his tree (not a Bruckheimer family tree, so my
immediate family was all he sent).

When I said something, he said that he did not have anybody else's
permission (how many dead people give permission). Apparently he
didn't even give his own permission.

Anyway, I will get an answer to 'if this is of interest, I have more'.

However, most people are very generous. If you want my 8000
relatives, I'll send them.

Let me guess. Hmmm, I bet I know who the Macher is,

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen is moving! #yizkorbooks

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

JewishGen is moving!

The re-hosting of the JewishGen servers >from Texas to
the new location at the Ancestry.com data center is
scheduled to occur beginning on Tuesday, January 27.

We hope to make this transition as quickly as possible.
But in order to ensure the complete and reliable transfer
of data, it will be necessary to completely shut down all
JewishGen servers for a period of time.

We will start up the new servers as soon as possible,
but we may encounter some "bumps" in our initial operations
in the new location, as there are many programs and
operations to be ported and configured.

We anticipate that after the transition, JewishGen will
be stronger, faster, and more reliable than ever.
Thank you for your continued patience and support,
and we look forward to providing you with an
ever-improving JewishGen experience.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
<wblatt@...>


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks JewishGen is moving! #yizkorbooks

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

JewishGen is moving!

The re-hosting of the JewishGen servers >from Texas to
the new location at the Ancestry.com data center is
scheduled to occur beginning on Tuesday, January 27.

We hope to make this transition as quickly as possible.
But in order to ensure the complete and reliable transfer
of data, it will be necessary to completely shut down all
JewishGen servers for a period of time.

We will start up the new servers as soon as possible,
but we may encounter some "bumps" in our initial operations
in the new location, as there are many programs and
operations to be ported and configured.

We anticipate that after the transition, JewishGen will
be stronger, faster, and more reliable than ever.
Thank you for your continued patience and support,
and we look forward to providing you with an
ever-improving JewishGen experience.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Managing Director, JewishGen
<wblatt@...>


Births to unmarried women in Vienna #austria-czech

kisanders
 

Thank you to all of those that responded to my posting regarding my family mystery. Thanks to the
combine responses and help >from everyone, I have an answer about my gr-uncle (born ~ 1874) and my
gr-grandparents Vienna marriage in 1877. There were notes in a column of the marriage record that I had
misread. The notes, read and translated by Traude Triebel, were: Nach juedischen Ritus getraut, im April
1873, von Scheie Leib Cantor, Geschaeftsmann aus Lemberg in Wien (married in Jewish rite, April
1873, vo Leib Cantor, merchant >from Lemberg, in Vienna.)

While wondering why they would marry twice, 4 years apart, I received the following information >from
Daphnah Sage regarding my original post:
I am >from the Boston chapter. In one of our recent Mass-
Pocha articles (our society's journal), there is mention that
often only a limited number of Jews were permitted by the local ruler
to marry, sometimes even in the late 19th century.
This had the following result:
1) Many, many Jews did not marry "legally" but only religiously.
The religious marriage was important to them; they did not care
whether the secular authorities married them or not. Therefore,
any births to this marriage were considered legitimate by the other
Jews.
2) Sometimes spouses married in a secular marriage late in life if
this helped their children. For example, towards the end of the
19th century, as younger Jews might want to go to university, their
parents had to marry to make the children "legitimate" in the eyes of
law.

I love a mystery, but I am even more fond of solving a mystery! I hope this helps others who find similar
examples of multiple marriage dates.

Regards,

Karen Sanders
West Haven, CT

Austria: TURMANN, CUKERBERG/ZUCKERBERG, ENZER,
KIPPER/KIEPER. KICZALES, KOHN


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Births to unmarried women in Vienna #austria-czech

kisanders
 

Thank you to all of those that responded to my posting regarding my family mystery. Thanks to the
combine responses and help >from everyone, I have an answer about my gr-uncle (born ~ 1874) and my
gr-grandparents Vienna marriage in 1877. There were notes in a column of the marriage record that I had
misread. The notes, read and translated by Traude Triebel, were: Nach juedischen Ritus getraut, im April
1873, von Scheie Leib Cantor, Geschaeftsmann aus Lemberg in Wien (married in Jewish rite, April
1873, vo Leib Cantor, merchant >from Lemberg, in Vienna.)

While wondering why they would marry twice, 4 years apart, I received the following information >from
Daphnah Sage regarding my original post:
I am >from the Boston chapter. In one of our recent Mass-
Pocha articles (our society's journal), there is mention that
often only a limited number of Jews were permitted by the local ruler
to marry, sometimes even in the late 19th century.
This had the following result:
1) Many, many Jews did not marry "legally" but only religiously.
The religious marriage was important to them; they did not care
whether the secular authorities married them or not. Therefore,
any births to this marriage were considered legitimate by the other
Jews.
2) Sometimes spouses married in a secular marriage late in life if
this helped their children. For example, towards the end of the
19th century, as younger Jews might want to go to university, their
parents had to marry to make the children "legitimate" in the eyes of
law.

I love a mystery, but I am even more fond of solving a mystery! I hope this helps others who find similar
examples of multiple marriage dates.

Regards,

Karen Sanders
West Haven, CT

Austria: TURMANN, CUKERBERG/ZUCKERBERG, ENZER,
KIPPER/KIEPER. KICZALES, KOHN


Re: Births to unmarried women in Vienna #austria-czech

Evelyn Filippi
 

My Grandparents were married in 1916 in Vienna
in a synagoge that was recognized by the state
they had 4 children including my father age 16.
They were married in Poland by a Rabbi but it wasn't recognized
in Vienna that is why they remarried.

As far as not finding names on Passanger lists. I notice in my family
a lot of name changes one of them was a cousin whose last name was
Chaya GLERKSTEIN and she changed it for a more modern name Clara GLICKSTEIN.


Evelyn Filippi
New York


"Bohemia/Moravia" - associated tombstones in Vienna and Salzburg. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have just read that the Jewishgen server will be out of service for a
while >from 27 January 2009; I have therefore rushed through this research
and picture-set on FLICKR, so that those of us who are addicted to
genealogy will not suffer withdrawal symptoms!

"Bohemia/Moravia"- associated tombstones in Jewish cemeteries in Vienna &
Salzburg: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157605570917814/

You will find about 100 annotated tombstones listed in alphabetical order
- all tagged by name, location and grave number.

I find the Vienna Zentralfriedhof so overwhelming in size, that the only
way I can make sense of it genealogically is through personal, family and
geographic linkages.

There were obviously thousands of Jewish families >from Bohemia and Moravia
who settled in Vienna after 1848 {and a few indeed before that} so these
tombstones only represent a tiny percentage, but I suspect that if you
managed to work out all the family trees, there would be links to many
menbers of our Austria-Czech SIG!

Please read the instructions/introduction on the home page.
It is part of my collection entitled:

Jewish cemeteries in Vienna, Salzburg and Eisenstadt
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/collections/72157603277660746/

I will write more about the latest additions to my site "Holocaust
Memorials - Public and Private" later, but please explore it too whilst
the servers are off-line: New memorial entries: Berlin, Saarland,
Hungarian Death March, Eisenerz, Styria = plus many more tombstones in
alphabetical order and links to yad vashem, Doew etc. One or two victims
have no listings on either site - they appear to have been forgotten
except on tombstones.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157603905805036/

There should be enough to keep you busy whilst the servers are
off-line and please remember Traude Triebel's amazing and much more
comprehensive "Grave Pictures" too: http://www.grave-pictures.at/

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Births to unmarried women in Vienna #austria-czech

Evelyn Filippi
 

My Grandparents were married in 1916 in Vienna
in a synagoge that was recognized by the state
they had 4 children including my father age 16.
They were married in Poland by a Rabbi but it wasn't recognized
in Vienna that is why they remarried.

As far as not finding names on Passanger lists. I notice in my family
a lot of name changes one of them was a cousin whose last name was
Chaya GLERKSTEIN and she changed it for a more modern name Clara GLICKSTEIN.


Evelyn Filippi
New York


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech "Bohemia/Moravia" - associated tombstones in Vienna and Salzburg. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I have just read that the Jewishgen server will be out of service for a
while >from 27 January 2009; I have therefore rushed through this research
and picture-set on FLICKR, so that those of us who are addicted to
genealogy will not suffer withdrawal symptoms!

"Bohemia/Moravia"- associated tombstones in Jewish cemeteries in Vienna &
Salzburg: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157605570917814/

You will find about 100 annotated tombstones listed in alphabetical order
- all tagged by name, location and grave number.

I find the Vienna Zentralfriedhof so overwhelming in size, that the only
way I can make sense of it genealogically is through personal, family and
geographic linkages.

There were obviously thousands of Jewish families >from Bohemia and Moravia
who settled in Vienna after 1848 {and a few indeed before that} so these
tombstones only represent a tiny percentage, but I suspect that if you
managed to work out all the family trees, there would be links to many
menbers of our Austria-Czech SIG!

Please read the instructions/introduction on the home page.
It is part of my collection entitled:

Jewish cemeteries in Vienna, Salzburg and Eisenstadt
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/collections/72157603277660746/

I will write more about the latest additions to my site "Holocaust
Memorials - Public and Private" later, but please explore it too whilst
the servers are off-line: New memorial entries: Berlin, Saarland,
Hungarian Death March, Eisenerz, Styria = plus many more tombstones in
alphabetical order and links to yad vashem, Doew etc. One or two victims
have no listings on either site - they appear to have been forgotten
except on tombstones.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/sets/72157603905805036/

There should be enough to keep you busy whilst the servers are
off-line and please remember Traude Triebel's amazing and much more
comprehensive "Grave Pictures" too: http://www.grave-pictures.at/

Celia Male - London, U.K.


DAVID RABIN #unitedkingdom

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

I am keen to hear >from anyone who has a David RABIN
or David RABINOVITCH(sp) in their family background.
He would have been born approx between 1890 and 1910
and lived in the London area. He was well dressed
and has been described as 'dapper'. He could also be
related to an Aaron or Menachem Mendel RABIN or to a
Rosa DAVIDOVITCH or LEVI/LEVY.

Many thanks

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching;BENDEL,BRESNARK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,
DAVIDOVITCH,FELDMAN,GOLD,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,
GROSSMAN,HA YUDAH,HIATT,HUNT,KATZ,LEBIS,MELNICK,
MONTAGUE,NATHAN,OGIN,ORGIN,POLIAKOFF,RABIN,
RABINOVITCH,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,STEIN,
STONE,TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON,ZELDENRUST


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom DAVID RABIN #unitedkingdom

a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
 

Dear All

I am keen to hear >from anyone who has a David RABIN
or David RABINOVITCH(sp) in their family background.
He would have been born approx between 1890 and 1910
and lived in the London area. He was well dressed
and has been described as 'dapper'. He could also be
related to an Aaron or Menachem Mendel RABIN or to a
Rosa DAVIDOVITCH or LEVI/LEVY.

Many thanks

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching;BENDEL,BRESNARK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,
DAVIDOVITCH,FELDMAN,GOLD,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,
GROSSMAN,HA YUDAH,HIATT,HUNT,KATZ,LEBIS,MELNICK,
MONTAGUE,NATHAN,OGIN,ORGIN,POLIAKOFF,RABIN,
RABINOVITCH,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,STEIN,
STONE,TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON,ZELDENRUST


Re: ZEEBUS as a family name...Red Cross Tracing service #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

Avi,

Never assume they all actually died. My family believed that my
grandmother's sister, brother, and nieces died, and two of them are
actually listed as victims who perished at Stutthof. I just found out
through the International Tracing Service that they all survived, with
the exception of my grandmother's brother. One niece, and the
families of both nieces are still living in Romania. Keep plugging
away. If I can find family after sixty-three years, you might be able
to as well.
Leslie Weinberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ZEEBUS as a family name...Red Cross Tracing service #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

Avi,

Never assume they all actually died. My family believed that my
grandmother's sister, brother, and nieces died, and two of them are
actually listed as victims who perished at Stutthof. I just found out
through the International Tracing Service that they all survived, with
the exception of my grandmother's brother. One niece, and the
families of both nieces are still living in Romania. Keep plugging
away. If I can find family after sixty-three years, you might be able
to as well.
Leslie Weinberg