Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records - Kitai Family in Zdolbunow and Rovno #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa

there are a few hits on this on the JG universal search - but no other files posted by Alex K available

Gary Pokrassa
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division

Translation from "Russian? " to English. #translation

Debby Myers

Could someone please translate this back of photo message which we think was written in Paris. Also what language is it written in. 
Many thanks in anticipation.
Debby Myers

Re: Need suggestions for how to search for misspelled family names #records

Sarah L Meyer

Sometimes - especially if you are using US records, search for a child with his/her parents and siblings in the appropriate location with no surname at all.  If you know for example that a child was Fred, his mother Tillie and his father Herman and that they lived in Detroit, put those names into the search.  If you have a birth year for Fred say 1915, then give him at least a two year range around that year - maybe even 5 years.  And if he had a sister Dora, you can also usually add another sibling.  Once you find the right family, then you can edit the surname.  Now that you have at least one Census, you may be able to go on from there.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Bukofzer / Oppenheimer in France FRENCH records #france


Hi David (Selig)

For the time in question you have too look at the tables annuelles rather than the tables decennales.
Because there are no tables decennales for this years, but only tables annuelles.
The tables annuelles and decennales say in which part of Paris and when the marriage took place.
With this details it's easy to find the actual marriage record.

You metionned a residence card in Mannheim from where Martha emigrated.
Does it say if she was married or not and to whom she was married?
You also say she was born 26.11.1897, Bad Mergentheim, Germany.
Do you have the records of Bad Mergentheim? They are available online:

Corinne ITEN

Re: Yiddish surnames related to 'Morrison' #ukraine #names


If the name isn't "son of Morris," it could be Morozov or Morosoff (which actually means frost).  

A website I looked at suggested Moryson and Moritsan as possible alternatives, indicating that these surnames are found in Poland and Ukraine, respectively.  I don't know whether that's true.

Ellen Morosoff Pemrick
Saratoga County, NY


Researching in Northeast Indiana? Upcoming Virtual Event #announcements #jgs-iajgs


Are you researching in Northeast Indiana?  The Northeast Indiana Jewish Genealogy Society would like to invite you to “Meet Your Mishpocha” at our upcoming virtual event on Sunday, October 18th at 1:00 p.m.  Door prizes include a free DNA kit!   We will offer tours of our Fort Wayne Jewish Families Database, which has grown to include over 6,000 pat and present members of the Northeast Indiana Jewish community.  Also on hand will be the director of the Indiana Jewish Historical Society with information about their archives, representatives from the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center, and the local directors of the Jewish community’s Oral History Video Project.  We’ll also offer advice on digitizing photographs and starting your family history research.


If you have any ties to Northeast Indiana, or just live nearby, we hope you’ll join us on October 18th.  More information and the link to registration can be found on our website at   And I’m happy to answer any questions.



Betsy Thal Gephart, VP

NE Indiana Jewish Genealogy Society





Re: Translation from "Russian? " to English #translation

Debby Myers

Thks Mike -whaf language is it? Also what is written on right hand side 
Thks so much. 
Debby Myers

Ilya Zeldes

In recent years, Alex Krakovsky organized, scanned, and posted to various sites on the Internet several thousands of documents from the Ukrainian archives. Some of the documents are on the site "Jewish Shtetl", some are on the site "Wikidzherela", over two thousand files are on the TKF site, almost daily Alex posts links to newly scanned files on the Facebook page "Jewish Ancestry in Ukraine", perhaps there are other sites where various archival documents could be open... Unfortunately, the naming of the files on the different sites varies which makes it difficult to compare and see if the file, for example, on TKF is the same as one on the "Jewish Shtetl", or in Wikidzherela, or...
I wonder if there is anyone besides Alex himself, who knows about all the document scanned and posted? Isn't it time for Jewisgen to get organized, establish a naming convention, and create a database (updatable frequently)?

Ilya Zeldes
North Fort Myers, FL

New records available for Aleksandrów Łódzki #poland #records


Long-time Aleksandrów Łódzki and area researchers will be pleased to learn that Jewish Records Indexing - Poland has undertaken a significant new “Phase 3” project to fully extract all Aleksandrów Łódzki birth, marriage and death records from 1826 to 1917. To carry out this major initiative, we also have acquired scans (digital images) of all surviving Aleksandrów Łódzki records in the Łódź branch of the Polish State Archives.

As Town Leader, it would be my pleasure to send you a full description of the project and explain how you will be able to obtain the extracts of your family records as they become available and before they go online.

If you would like more information about the project, please sign up to the mailing list here: ( emails are intermittent and specifically about new record releases and developments; you will not be spammed).
To view this month’s newsletter, please see here:

There is also a Facebook group which is intended to be another resource for Aleksandrów researchers and a place to share photos, memorabilia, memories, anedotes and questions relating to the town:

Alternatively, please feel free to message me privately with any questions you may have.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Naomi Leon
JRI-Poland Town Leader | Aleksandrow Lodzki
Brighton, UK
+44 7748 637764

Naomi Leon
Brighton, UK

LEWKOWICZ, RYWAN, LASKY, BERGER, WRON, FAJBISIEWICZ (Rawa Mazowiecka, Aleksandrow Lodzki, Lodz)

Re: Do you know this location? #lithuania

David Barrett

It might be adavisable for us to see what exactly is written on the naturalisation form

David Barrett

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records - Kitai Family in Zdolbunow and Rovno #ukraine #records #russia


I am looking for birth, marriage, and death records related to Kitai Family, for the moment in Zdolbunow (near Rovno) and Rovno. 

Thank you in advance
Happy New Year! Shana Tova!


Meir Bnaya

Hod Hasharon



Re: Need suggestions for how to search for misspelled family names #records

Dahn Cukier

There is no one way or are any of the ones I have used
easy. Here are 3 examples.

Father's father's father (great grandfather). I knew he had arrived in
the US after 1905, his youngest daughter was born in 1906 in Poland.
I never found much about him, I did find a WWII draft card, but
no census or other records.

Then I found on his daughter-in-law's naturalization papers that her
husband (my grandfather)  was naturalized on (date) and the
number was xxxxx.  After not finding anything indexed on
FamilySearch or Ancestry, I found that one of these have unindexed
records. I went courthouse to courthouse (via internet) and
searched page by page (at 5mega download) and finally found 
his record. I then found how he spelled his name at time of
immigration, completely different from the name used by the

My mother's father. I found his records from 1920, and that date
was well known in the family. On the census of 1930, he has
immigration as 1914. I searched EllisIsland,  at that time (about 2012),
I was able to automate download of records. I found his name spelled
a little differently, both given and family. but the way it was
spelt by the family in Romania. I later found a branch of
the family in Israel. Years later,I found his naturalization
papers that supplied the name also.

Bella and Saul:
My father's parents in 1930 census. Their names were not indexed
correctly,my father, who was mislabeled as belonging to another family,
was spelled correctly. I assume he, age 3, was being watched by the
girls at the family where recorded. I found the address via Googleearth
and found it was a cross street with one I recognized from family
stories. I did not know the address, but searched one by
one until I found the indexer recorded "u" as "a".

Bottom Line: Each was different, and each required imagination
and two required a long time of searching. I am located in Israel
and the records in the US.

Dahn Cukier

When you start to read readin,
how do you know the fellow that
wrote the readin,
wrote the readin right?

Festus Hagen
Long Branch Saloon
Dodge City, Kansas

On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 4:33:50 PM GMT+3, N. Summers via <> wrote:

I've had trouble finding records because names are mispelled or othewise mangled. What kinds of searches have you used to overcome this problem? I'm guessing every site has different tools...
thanks so much,

Nancy Summers

Maryland, USA


FINKELSTEIN, BOOKSTEIN, KOENIG/SUKOENIG, LUSMAN, GOLDINER, SAGORODER/ZAGORODER (Radziwillow, Belarus/Ukraine; Ostrog, Poland/Belarus; Warsaw, Poland; Wolinsky, Russia/Ukraine)

LISS / ALPER  (Motol, Vileyka, Minsk, Russia/Belarus)

LEAF / LIFSCHITZ ( Rechitsa, Belarus)

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia


Hello Alana,
there are only a handful of birth record books from that year range that survived. The following are records with name Isaac Bronstein as the father.  These might be all of the same person.  Last name Bronstein was definitely transliterated from Bronshteyn,

Last Name Father's Name/Patronymic Child's name Event Notes
Braunshteyn Itskhok Munish Sruliovich Khaya birth  
Broynshteyn Isaak Munish Izrail birth likely same child as below
Bronshteyn Isaak Srul dead at 2 months likely same child as above
Bronshteyn Isaak Yakov birth  
Bronshteyn Isaak Munish Vladimir birth  
Bronshteyn Itsko Munish n/a marriage  

Mike Vayser

Re: Translation from "Russian? " to English #translation


the translation on the back has the information you already have from the photo itself:

Keepsake to [my] dear brother Iosif from your sister Rakhil
15 July 1912

Mike Vayser

Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records - Borokhovitch in Kherson #ukraine #records #russia

Nancy Reicher

Is there any information for Kherson City in the Kherson  province(oblast? Gubernia?). Between 1840 an 1895, births, marriages, and deaths Name is Borokhovitch.

Nancy Reicher

Re: Yiddish surnames related to 'Morrison' #ukraine #names

Steve Chernoff

My Morrison ancestors from Ukraine (Uman and Vinnitsa) were Morofsky or something very similar.
Steve Chernoff:  Researching 

Re: US Visa applications circa 1948? Do copies exist? #records #usa

A. E. Jordan

Thanks Marian.

Your answer and Alex's make it seem highly unlikely a fie exists. She came in labeled "visitor" on the passenger list and left right about six months later. If she is who I think she is it was pretty much understood she was coming for a visit. Family members who met her tell me the story that she came for a visit and I do not see her husband or son following her to the USA either.

Thanks for all the insights.

Allan Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Marian via <>
To: main@...
Sent: Mon, Sep 28, 2020 10:10 am
Subject: Re: [] US Visa applications circa 1948? Do copies exist? #records #usa

Hello Allan,

Your question begins saying the person came to the US in 1948 "for a visit."  This may be the factor determining the answer.

US visas (as documents) date from 1924 and include both immigrant (permanent) visas and NONimmigrant (temporary) visas.  The immigrant/permanent records are for those admitted as immigrants to live permanently in the US.  The NONimmigrant visas are for those admitted temporarily, such as "visitors for business or pleasure."  And while we see the records of many NONimmigrants in the passenger lists and passenger arrival records on microfilm and digitized online, records beyond the manifests (like visas) followed a general records management rule:  Records of permanent admissions are permanent, records of temporary admissions are temporary (destroyed).

What this means is that when a visitor arrived in 1948 they were documented (by INS) at least on an I-94 showing nonimmigrant admission (usually 3 to 6 months, and could be extended).  When the visitor departed, the arrival and departure records were married up to verify departure/compliance.  The records might be microfilmed before destruction, or may have just been destroyed.  Temporary records.  

Any arrivals that had no departure record by the date they were required to leave became an "overstay" illegally in the US.  That record was retained long enough to locate the overstay and arrest/deport them.  If it came to that, since 1944, everything would go into an A-file.  

Any records of the NONimmigrant visa application process would have been generated/collected by the Department of State. I know some researchers have been having some luck searching visa issuance matters in DOS Consular records at NARA in College Park, MD, but I'm not sure those records are available for the post-WW II and later era. 

Not a complete answer to all your questions but I hope it helps a little,

Marian Smith

Re: US Visa applications circa 1948? Do copies exist? #records #usa

A. E. Jordan

Thanks Alex but she was certainly a visitor. The passenger list identifies her as a visitor so the answer seems to be a dead end.
Thanks for the details ad hopefully they will help someone else.

Allan Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Ferretti <al13fe26@...>
To: main@...
Sent: Mon, Sep 28, 2020 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [] US Visa applications circa 1948? Do copies exist? #records #usa

Visa files were started in 1924, as their own file series, and as of 1944, were rolled over into the newly-created A File series (Alien files).  Both are held by USCIS as part of their Genealogy Program.  However, the only visas that were supposed to be saved were those for permanent residents, and A files were only created for immigrants, not visitors.  It sounds like this woman was coming on a tourist visa, in which case, it is extremely unlikely that the visa would exist today.  If she actually immigrated, but then returned to her home country after the fact, it is quite possible the visa (and the A File) still exist, although technically it shouldn't, because she later left the US for good.  I have a relative who immigrated in about 1960 from Malta, and then returned to Malta a few years later.  INS (now USCIS) never purged her A File, so I was able to get copies.  The file number for the visa on the manifest is of no use to genealogists, because that number was created by the state department and does not cross reference any file.  In order to order a visa file from USCIS, one needs the visa number that they created, which can only be determined by ordering a USCIS index search.  Because visas after 1944 were filed within an A File, you do not need the visa number to obtain that record, should it exist, but you would need the A number, which also can be obtained via a USCIS index search.  This number is sometimes present on naturalization documents, or within ancestors' personal effects, but it seems exceedingly likely that in the case of this woman, her number would only be able to be found by conducting a USCIS index search.  Furthermore, I am skeptical that such a number or file even exists in her case, because as I had said, I suspect that she was not here on an immigrant visa, but instead a tourist visa.  

The only thing you can do to figure this out is to order an index search for $65, and then if they find an A file, you can order the A file for another $65, however to complicate matters is the fact that USCIS is in the midst of a fee increase, which will take effect at the end of this week, so the index search will cost $160, and the A file retrieval will cost about $300.  However, there is pending litigation that might result in a Federal Court enjoining the institution of these fees, meaning that the increase will be delayed or perhaps some day canceled. 

It is also possible that any given A File that is for a person born more than 100 years ago is at the National Archives in Kansas City.  You can search the NARA catalog for the immigrants' name to check.  While they have a few million, most are still with USCIS.  If they were to have an A File, you can order copies from them for a much lower fee, or even visit yourself (when they're open again) and look at the original documents.  

The A File, should it exist, will have a ton of information, including photos, her birth certificate, and likely pages of other documentation.

Alec Ferretti

Re: Need suggestions for how to search for misspelled family names #records

Michele Lock

For a name like 'Turoff' or 'Turovsky', I'd just do a 'Starts with Tur' search, to take care of the 'F' versus 'V' issue, and also take care of the 'sky' ending, which I have seen spelled 'ski', "zky' and 'zki'. 

For a friend of mine, I found the naturalization papers for her great grandfather Abram Rappaport of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. When I sent the image to her, she wrote back "That can't be him. We only spell our last name like 'Rapaport'. That is someone else." She didn't quite believe me when I said that spelling back then was highly variable, and that Rappaport and Rapaport are considered the same name. I don't think I really convinced her. 

Perhaps this is an issue for us 21st century individuals, because it is drilled into us by our government officials that using different spellings of one's name is tantamount to fraud. I know someone whose security clearance for a US government job was held up for nine months because her middle name was spelled differently on some documents versus others, and even worse - some of the documents were missing her middle name !!!!! And she does not have a name like Anne Smith - both her first and last names were unusual; it is not like she would be readily mixed up with someone else. And our government spent those nine months investigating this serious serious national security matter.

Michele Lock.
Alexandria, VA

Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland virtual meeting on October 7, 2020 #jgs-iajgs #announcements

Sylvia Fleck Abrams

Join the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland for a virtual program on
Wednesday, October 7, 2020
at 7:00 pm
Why you should examine original records, 
and how to find them

Presented by Russ Maurer

As an experienced researcher, volunteer translator, and Coordinator for Records Acquisition & Translation for LitvakSIG, our speaker is all too familiar with the ways that a translated record may not fully or accurately reflect the original. In this talk he will show you what you might be missing if you don't examine original records. He will also offer some tips for locating online records if they are not directly linked to an index.
In addition to his other activities, Russ is a member of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland and serves as a member of the Board and Research Chair

This program is free and open to the public, but space is limited.
Priority will be given to members of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Cleveland.
We will be using the Zoom meeting platform so you may watch, listen and participate from the comfort of your own home.
Preregistration is required and must be requested by 12:00 pm (Noon) on October 7th.
To preregister, send an email message with your name, email address, and complete mailing address, by clicking here: rsvp@...
After you register, you will receive an email reply acknowledging receipt of your request. Then, before the date of the meeting, we will forward the meeting details, including a link, the Zoom meeting number and passcode, plus instructions, to each registrant.
On the day of the meeting (October 7th), shortly before 7:00 pm, you should click on the link provided, follow the prompts and enter the passcode to join the meeting.
If you have any problems registering for the program, please contact:  

Submitted by,
Sylvia F. Abrams
Immediate Past President