Re: Kansas City Lithuania Jews #lithuania #usa

JoAnne Goldberg

Hi Ethan,

Thanks for your note. My Litvaks mostly went to Chicago, but somehow a Chicago Goldberg met/married a Kansas City Ginsberg. And one of the Ginsberg siblings married a woman from Iowa and may have lived there for a while -- but the Iowa/Nebraska border, not Des Moines. And the first Jewish settlements in the KC area appear to have been in Leavenworth and St Joseph, not Kansas City itself. I'm sure at the time it all made sense, but sure wish my ancestors had kept notes.



While I have deep roots in Kansas City - back to Leavenworth during the Civil War - my earliest ancestors there were not Litvaks.  My Litvak ancestors settled in Chicago and Des Moines.  In Des Moines it is true that many of the early Lithuanian Jews came from the same area of Lithuania, from the area of Kalvarija, Pilviskiai, and Vilkaviskis.  Today this is in southwestern Lithuania, near the Polish border.  I don't know if they were all related, though it's quite possible.  Among the Litvaks in Des Moines were some Ginsbergs, though I have no idea if they had relatives in KC.

Any questions, please let me know.

Ethan Starr
Washington, DC

JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535


Re: Grodner family in Argentina #general


Hi Ralph.  I contacted Estela at AGJA (Argentinan JGS) and she was so helpful.  Her email is consultas.agja@...
Also check out their FB page

Good luck
Lia Sragovicz

Re: 1936 Hungary birth records #general #hungary


1936 births will not be public for decades yet. (The new law is so insanely badly written that many archives are erring on the side of caution and using 130 years as the cutoff for birth records.) You'll definitely need someone like Karesz to get any sort of access. (You basically need "academic research" credentials, because being a direct descendant will only get you extracts, with the usual chicken-and-egg requirement of knowing exactly what's in the record so that you can find out what's in it.)

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Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>

Same principle:  names get shortened..   
Many  Steinkopfs became Stein, Hautkovich became Kovich, Sotomayer became Mayer…...
BTW, your initial post did not specify family names:
"Does anyone know why an I (or yod) was sometimes removed from start of names ?
In my family Italienner became Talyena, and Israel became Srul."
Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Cohen via <> wrote:

Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.

Re: Hebrew Translation for two Tombstones #names #translation


There have been two different readings of the date of death for William Jaffe.

It is the 10th of Shvat.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Dr.Josef ASH

I'll add: Yitshak become Tsahi, Yehezkel - Hezi, Yehoram - Rami, Yonatan - Nati
Jeffrey comes from Ephraim. Weren't YOU called at home Frojm,  (or smthng like)?
It is natural in every language to shorten the names at home.
I'm sure Ivanka doesn't call her husband (at home) Donald, but ... i don't know English well enough...
I am sure that italian woman in Israel would be called Tali.
I tryed to answer your question. 
Some linguist would do it wider...

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

Jeffrey Cohen

Yes but those are first names and I was referring to family names that are modified.

Re: Meaning and Subtext of "Grundwirth" #names

David Barrett

grundwirth = BASIC
grundwirt = LANDLORD 

Re: Removing initial I from names #names


The letter Yod י or Yod Heh יה are names of God, hence, there is a custom among observant Jews to forgo writing them down. 
Examples: Yehudit יהודית was Hudes, Yehoshua יהושע was Shaye/Shaya, etc.
That being said, Srul is a common Yiddish nickname for Istael, which led to the famous “Srulik”, the cartoon character representing the State of Israel.

Re: Removing initial I from names #names

David Barrett

Lazy speech 'street - slang'   ??

Potok Zloty (currently Zolotyi Potik)- Koch landowners #ukraine

Milton Koch

My father, Moses (Max) Koch was born in Potok Zloty, in 1911.
He left as a young child, but I am aware of several family that remained.
I have just found some house ownership data but the first names are not familiar to me.
They are all KOCH: Efroim, Schneir and Sluwa.
I would like to know if anyone knows who they were and their relatives.
Thank you.
Milton Koch
Bethesda, MD, USA

Re: What happened to uncle Michel ROTMAN ? #poland

Aaron Slotnik

Hi Marilyn,

It's possible that this Michal Rotman who has a Page of Testimony at Yad Vashem is the man you are seeking (  Unfortunately, it doesn't have his parents' names but he was living in Ostrow Mazowiecka which is not far from Zareby Koscielne.  Hopefully this helps.


Re: Hebrew names #translation #hungary

Emma Cole

Thank you Rodney, I'll post it to Viewmate too like you suggest, with column headers as it sounds like that really helps! But great to see the German word for fruit seller, old German script is pretty difficult to decipher, very grateful for your help. Best, Emma

Re: Hebrew names #translation #hungary

Emma Cole

Thank you! and I will post on ViewMate too as you both suggest, that's very helpful.

Re: greek jews #sephardic

Judith Berlowitz

It is incorrect to say that "the Spanish Inquisition started in March, 1492."  The Spanish branch of the Inquisition was set up in 1478 by the same so-called Catholic Sovereigns who signed the Edict of Expulsion in 1492, following over a century of pogroms promulgated mostly from various pulpits throughout Christian-occupied Spain as a part of the "reconquista". See

Judith Berlowitz
San Francisco

Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

EdrieAnne Broughton

Birth records, especially those attended at home were not as formal as they are not.  Wisconsin had a requirement to register births, but normally a midwife or doctor kept a journal or list of births and when they got enough saved up, they went to the county seat and put them all in at once.  The fault with dates are probably how good a record keeper the attendant was.  Sometimes a family member (mother, grandmother or aunt) attended home births.  My mother was born in her grandmother's bed and the doctor only arrived after the birth.  The parents intended her name to be Emma Lee, daughter of Jess and Annie Edrie.  Imagine Mom's surprise when she was 18 to find out that she was Edrie with no middle name.  Mom's family always called her Emma Lee, Dad and all her friends called her Edrie or Ed.  I got a copy of her birth record that was in her papers and while her birth date was correct, the date the record was recorded was almost a month later.  In the Births ledger almost a dozen babies were registered for the same doctor in the same week.  That's a lot of babies for one doctor performing home births.  Even now that county doesn't have a hospital.
    EdrieAnne Broughton
    Vacaville, California

Re: Divorce and Remarriage in 19th C Poland #poland

Joachim Mugdan

Carolynne Veffer asked:

>  In 19th century Poland could you get a civil divorce? If you were divorced (at least a Jewish get), could you remarry and have a civil second marriage?


Civil marriage and divorce did not exist in Russian Poland (Congress Poland), the region Carolynne had in mind. In Prussia, including Prussian Poland (Posen etc.), only civil marriages were recognized by the state from 1874 on and a religious marriage had to be preceded by a civil one. In the Austrian part of Poland, religious marriage was the norm; civil marriage was permitted only for people who could not have a religious marriage, e.g. if they did not belong to any religious community. In the Polish state that was created after WW I, these differences continued to exist.


Joachim Mugdan

Basel, Switzerland

JGFF Researcher 5749




Joachim Mugdan

Basel, Switzerland

JGFF Researcher 5749


Re: Ballasagyarmat: what census records are there? #hungary


There were a few pages toward the beginning that were very faint, so I may have missed a family or two.

Óbuda is likely to be "fun": it was twice the size of Balassagyarmat. Population circa 1850, according to Fényes Elek, was 10,760, as opposed to 5653 for Bgy -- or more to the point here, 3343 versus 1963 Jewish residents. Fényes Elek indicates that Óbuda was combined with Buda in 1850. (Budapest was created a few decades later.)

(Balassagyarmat or Gyarmat are the usual ways to refer to the town. When I wrote "Balassa-" above, the dash indicated that this was only the first half. Older records often hyphenate it: Balassa-Gyarmat.)

Fényes Elek:

Good luck!

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Re: Research individuals in France #france

Aaron Slotnik

I would like to thank Bernard Flam in particular for his clear and concise summary of research resources in France posted on July 11.  I've been trying to find this information for many years and have been unable to . . . perhaps it has only been placed online relatively recently.
Nonetheless, I've found 2 records for my family in the Gallica resource he mentioned (1.1.1 -;2&lang=EN) but I'm unable to determine what the notation is referencing--if it is a naturalization file reference or one of the other possibilities he mentioned.  How can I determine that in order to take the correct next step?  Their names are Lejzer ZLOTNIK and Yenta-Laja ZLOTNIK (nee ELBAUM).
Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide!
Kind Regards,
Aaron Slotnik
Chicago, IL  USA

Re: Hungarian Elementary School Yearbook records #hungary #education

Peter Cherna

I have found some elementary school yearbooks on, in case someone is interested in hunting.

(I was searching by family name, which is viable for unusual family names but hopeless for common ones.) Mostly I found class lists and was able to narrow down birth year for some unknown relatives. I did find one reference with date of birth for my grandfather's brother, whose exact birth was unknown, but given the day/month from this document, and knowing the year within one (from the class the person was in), and guessing at which district of Budapest, I was able to find his birth record, that was not indexed.


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