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Re: 1946 Washington D.C. death certificate - need advice #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

First of all, don't you mean you checked Prince George's County, Maryland
(not St. George's)?

Since the Metropolitan Washington area covers three different and distinct
jurisdictions, the District of Columbia (D.C.), Maryland and Virginia, you
have to do some additional digging in order to determine which jurisdiction
to contact for the certificate.

Also, since you have the obit, I assume it lists the funeral home and
possibly the cemetery. Both these resources could provide you with the
location of death and therefore where to obtain the death certificate.

If all else fails, contact the Jewish Genealogy Societies in the area for
further guidance. These are located on the JewishGen site.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: 1946 Washington D.C. death certificate - need advice #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

First of all, don't you mean you checked Prince George's County, Maryland
(not St. George's)?

Since the Metropolitan Washington area covers three different and distinct
jurisdictions, the District of Columbia (D.C.), Maryland and Virginia, you
have to do some additional digging in order to determine which jurisdiction
to contact for the certificate.

Also, since you have the obit, I assume it lists the funeral home and
possibly the cemetery. Both these resources could provide you with the
location of death and therefore where to obtain the death certificate.

If all else fails, contact the Jewish Genealogy Societies in the area for
further guidance. These are located on the JewishGen site.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Re: Lost relatives name #general

tom klein <jewishgen@...>
 

Since this discussion has veered into the realm of speculation...

Nice "Jewish" names like GELLER (phonetically) or SCHOMER (meaning) could have
become JAILER, whether or not a Jewish ancestor was actually employed as a
prison guard. ("Guards" also include night watchmen, etc., as well as "guardians
of the faith", neither of which would preclude Jews.)

....... tom klein, toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lost relatives name #general

tom klein <jewishgen@...>
 

Since this discussion has veered into the realm of speculation...

Nice "Jewish" names like GELLER (phonetically) or SCHOMER (meaning) could have
become JAILER, whether or not a Jewish ancestor was actually employed as a
prison guard. ("Guards" also include night watchmen, etc., as well as "guardians
of the faith", neither of which would preclude Jews.)

....... tom klein, toronto


re Lost relatives name #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Alan,
The case of the missing surname can be a challenging mystery to solve.
Probably most genealogists have tricks that have proven effective, but each one
depends on the background information at their disposal. With that said, the
suggestion I have may only work if you know the town in the Ukraine or at
least can narrow it down to a district.

I go with the assumption that at least one or two of your relatives
immigrated to the USA >from the Ukraine. So, I would do a very thorough search on
Steve Morse's web site www.stevemorse.org for their Ellis Island port of
immigration manifests, using the town (or district) soundex search as the point
of reference. Of course, you don't know the surname, but you can hazard a
guess it may have started with "J," or as others pointed out, was a word meaning
"jailor," and play around with those possibilities...but again using the town
and/or region as the point of reference. Keep in mind that given names often
repeat themselves in cousins, so would pay attention to that as well, during
the search. I should add, not being versed in languages, I'm not sure if there
is an equivalent "J" in Russian, so don't know how to get around that one using
a search for "starts with."

Anyway, if you find some immigrants who looks like they have potential, you
may have some solid clues based on who they are going to stay with in the US
and then go back to Ukrainian search sites to find your grandfather.
However, if at this stage, you still don't have an answer, it might be worth
looking for naturalization records in the US, as those documents often list the
original name.

Granted, this is a hit and miss proposition and you may have to "kiss a few
frogs" until you find the right relative, but I have done this on several
occasions and was very successful. It took some perseverance and bit of luck,
but only because the surname was relatively rare and I knew the general area
they lived in Poland....in my particular case.

One last point, it's always a possibility that one of your Ukrainian born
Jailer relatives who immigrated to England, later moved to the USA. So, check
port of immigration for Jailer as well as the well known US census site
which is a synonym for "antecedent," and you may also get your answer.
Although, this too may require getting naturalization records.

It's one of many ideas, but the point is that sometimes we have to think
tangentially when trying to solve difficult genealogy mysteries. Sometimes you
come up empty handed and other times not, but don't give up, it's out there
somewhere waiting to be found!

Good luck

Shelly Levin
USA
crzprncess@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re Lost relatives name #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Alan,
The case of the missing surname can be a challenging mystery to solve.
Probably most genealogists have tricks that have proven effective, but each one
depends on the background information at their disposal. With that said, the
suggestion I have may only work if you know the town in the Ukraine or at
least can narrow it down to a district.

I go with the assumption that at least one or two of your relatives
immigrated to the USA >from the Ukraine. So, I would do a very thorough search on
Steve Morse's web site www.stevemorse.org for their Ellis Island port of
immigration manifests, using the town (or district) soundex search as the point
of reference. Of course, you don't know the surname, but you can hazard a
guess it may have started with "J," or as others pointed out, was a word meaning
"jailor," and play around with those possibilities...but again using the town
and/or region as the point of reference. Keep in mind that given names often
repeat themselves in cousins, so would pay attention to that as well, during
the search. I should add, not being versed in languages, I'm not sure if there
is an equivalent "J" in Russian, so don't know how to get around that one using
a search for "starts with."

Anyway, if you find some immigrants who looks like they have potential, you
may have some solid clues based on who they are going to stay with in the US
and then go back to Ukrainian search sites to find your grandfather.
However, if at this stage, you still don't have an answer, it might be worth
looking for naturalization records in the US, as those documents often list the
original name.

Granted, this is a hit and miss proposition and you may have to "kiss a few
frogs" until you find the right relative, but I have done this on several
occasions and was very successful. It took some perseverance and bit of luck,
but only because the surname was relatively rare and I knew the general area
they lived in Poland....in my particular case.

One last point, it's always a possibility that one of your Ukrainian born
Jailer relatives who immigrated to England, later moved to the USA. So, check
port of immigration for Jailer as well as the well known US census site
which is a synonym for "antecedent," and you may also get your answer.
Although, this too may require getting naturalization records.

It's one of many ideas, but the point is that sometimes we have to think
tangentially when trying to solve difficult genealogy mysteries. Sometimes you
come up empty handed and other times not, but don't give up, it's out there
somewhere waiting to be found!

Good luck

Shelly Levin
USA
crzprncess@...


surname JAILER #general

Chaim freedman
 

Alan Jailler wrote:
I am trying to find the original surname of my grandfather. . His new U.K.
adoptive name was Frederick JAILER. "
Maybe Beider (A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire) has the
answer: "Gajler" occupational: Heiler (German), Hayler (Central Yiddish), healer.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...
http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surname JAILER #general

Chaim freedman
 

Alan Jailler wrote:
I am trying to find the original surname of my grandfather. . His new U.K.
adoptive name was Frederick JAILER. "
Maybe Beider (A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire) has the
answer: "Gajler" occupational: Heiler (German), Hayler (Central Yiddish), healer.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...
http://chfreedman.blogspot.com/


Business Directory of Kosice in the 30s and 40s #hungary

Shaul Sharoni <pollinia@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Does anyone have access to business directories of Kosice in pre-WWII time
period? Any help on this would be most welcome.

Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Business Directory of Kosice in the 30s and 40s #hungary

Shaul Sharoni <pollinia@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Does anyone have access to business directories of Kosice in pre-WWII time
period? Any help on this would be most welcome.

Best Regards,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel


Re: FRANKL and BOCK from Holleschau/Holesov, Moravia {was: BOCK from Zilina} #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Gabriela Svatos wrote: "A researcher (Peter FRANKL) >from Zilina is compiling a
history of the Jewish community. During WWII there were three BOCK brothers who
served with the Czechoslovak forces in Britain. Here is what Mr. FRANKL sent
me:

I have collected names of Zilina Jews soldiers during the war. I know that in
Czech army in U.K. were three BOCK boys: Ladislav, Zoltan and Pavel. As I know
two of them lived also after the war in Britain. I found in Czech archives that
Ladislavs wife Joyce BREEZE lived in 1943 in Gorton, Manchester South. Name of
Pavels wife was Dorothy WRIGHT and his address in demobilisation time (1946)
was 25, Marmion Rd., Hoylake, Worral (Werral?), Cheshire......."

I have already written to Gaby with two suggestions and to tell her that the
place is called The Wirrall, Cheshire. I did not post to the list as we are not
a Hungarian/Slovakian SIG. What I did not tell her has *something* to do with a
Moravian BOCK family and also with Peter FRANKL himself, as I met him, but not
in person, via a note on a FRANKL grave in Holleschau/Holesov, Moravia on
September the 21st 2007.

I was not going to release the Holleschau cemetery pictures till the set is
complete and has been researched but here is the proof of our chance encounter
- {this single picture released}:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/1526496578/in/set-72157602214476547/

I think you will all agree this is just amazing. Please click on the picture
and read the notes. The proof is there and you can see it with your own eyes.
And next to the FRANKL entry in my little book, I have written "grave of
Bernhard BOCK aged 73 died 1st Elul 5637 [10 Aug 1877]".

So are we talking about Moravian families and should we not discuss them here?
And what about this BOCK grave in Ivanovice na Hane/Eiwanowitz, Moravia, Jewish
cemetery Harold Chipman and I photographed the day before:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/1459116573/

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: FRANKL and BOCK from Holleschau/Holesov, Moravia {was: BOCK from Zilina} #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Gabriela Svatos wrote: "A researcher (Peter FRANKL) >from Zilina is compiling a
history of the Jewish community. During WWII there were three BOCK brothers who
served with the Czechoslovak forces in Britain. Here is what Mr. FRANKL sent
me:

I have collected names of Zilina Jews soldiers during the war. I know that in
Czech army in U.K. were three BOCK boys: Ladislav, Zoltan and Pavel. As I know
two of them lived also after the war in Britain. I found in Czech archives that
Ladislavs wife Joyce BREEZE lived in 1943 in Gorton, Manchester South. Name of
Pavels wife was Dorothy WRIGHT and his address in demobilisation time (1946)
was 25, Marmion Rd., Hoylake, Worral (Werral?), Cheshire......."

I have already written to Gaby with two suggestions and to tell her that the
place is called The Wirrall, Cheshire. I did not post to the list as we are not
a Hungarian/Slovakian SIG. What I did not tell her has *something* to do with a
Moravian BOCK family and also with Peter FRANKL himself, as I met him, but not
in person, via a note on a FRANKL grave in Holleschau/Holesov, Moravia on
September the 21st 2007.

I was not going to release the Holleschau cemetery pictures till the set is
complete and has been researched but here is the proof of our chance encounter
- {this single picture released}:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/1526496578/in/set-72157602214476547/

I think you will all agree this is just amazing. Please click on the picture
and read the notes. The proof is there and you can see it with your own eyes.
And next to the FRANKL entry in my little book, I have written "grave of
Bernhard BOCK aged 73 died 1st Elul 5637 [10 Aug 1877]".

So are we talking about Moravian families and should we not discuss them here?
And what about this BOCK grave in Ivanovice na Hane/Eiwanowitz, Moravia, Jewish
cemetery Harold Chipman and I photographed the day before:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/1459116573/

Celia Male [U.K.]


Canadian TV documents roots search by Steven Page of "Barenaked Ladies" pop band #general

Barbara Sears <barbara.sears@...>
 

"Who Do You Think You Are?" is a genealogy series in which 13 well
known Canadians set out to discover their family roots. Each half
hour episode combines the intimacy of observational documentary and
the revelation of a well told detective story.

Steven Page, lead-singer, guitarist and principal songwriter for the
internationally acclaimed pop band, the Barenaked Ladies (BNL), grew
up in Scarborough, Ontario, feeling that being the only Jew in the
neighborhood made him an outsider. His search into his ancestry
reveals family tragedy, oppression and a connection to a musical dynasty.

The key to the success of each episode is extensive genealogical
research. Steven Page's voyage of discovery took him to Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland. With leads >from the JRI-Poland database
and the records of the Polish State Archives, Page became the first
in his family to take an individual journey deep into his family's
past in Nowa Slupia, Lagow and Rakow (towns in the Opatow district of Poland).

The Steven Page episode, by Toronto director/writer David Langer,
airs on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation network on Thursday,
October 25 at 7:30pm

Steven is writing a daily journal of his voyage of discovery for the
National Post of Canada.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/artslife/story.html?id=41c423b0-f516-45cb-ae61-2ed499343905
(or http://tinyurl.com/28ccxf)

The filming in Poland for the documentary was covered by the Polish
newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza at
http://miasta.gazeta.pl/kielce/1,47262,4217597.html

Barbara Sears, Toronto
Story Producer
Steven Page Episode
Who Do You Think You Are?

MODERATOR NOTE: Americans close enough to the border to receive CBC programming
or whose cable providers carry CBC stations may be able to view this program.
Consult your local listings. It is not clear whether the program will be
available online.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Canadian TV documents roots search by Steven Page of "Barenaked Ladies" pop band #general

Barbara Sears <barbara.sears@...>
 

"Who Do You Think You Are?" is a genealogy series in which 13 well
known Canadians set out to discover their family roots. Each half
hour episode combines the intimacy of observational documentary and
the revelation of a well told detective story.

Steven Page, lead-singer, guitarist and principal songwriter for the
internationally acclaimed pop band, the Barenaked Ladies (BNL), grew
up in Scarborough, Ontario, feeling that being the only Jew in the
neighborhood made him an outsider. His search into his ancestry
reveals family tragedy, oppression and a connection to a musical dynasty.

The key to the success of each episode is extensive genealogical
research. Steven Page's voyage of discovery took him to Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland. With leads >from the JRI-Poland database
and the records of the Polish State Archives, Page became the first
in his family to take an individual journey deep into his family's
past in Nowa Slupia, Lagow and Rakow (towns in the Opatow district of Poland).

The Steven Page episode, by Toronto director/writer David Langer,
airs on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation network on Thursday,
October 25 at 7:30pm

Steven is writing a daily journal of his voyage of discovery for the
National Post of Canada.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/artslife/story.html?id=41c423b0-f516-45cb-ae61-2ed499343905
(or http://tinyurl.com/28ccxf)

The filming in Poland for the documentary was covered by the Polish
newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza at
http://miasta.gazeta.pl/kielce/1,47262,4217597.html

Barbara Sears, Toronto
Story Producer
Steven Page Episode
Who Do You Think You Are?

MODERATOR NOTE: Americans close enough to the border to receive CBC programming
or whose cable providers carry CBC stations may be able to view this program.
Consult your local listings. It is not clear whether the program will be
available online.


Re: Lost relatives name #general

Wegner, Peter
 

On Oct 22, 3:39?pm, alanjail...@... (alanjailler) wrote:
I am trying to find the original surname of my grandfather.
...
His new U.K.
adoptive name was Frederick JAILER.
Gil Robison replied:
Alan,
I had a couple of thoughts. One is searching for the Yiddish, Russian,
German and Ukranian words for "jailer" or similar occupational names,
such as "guard."

Gil,

As to that, I have a question for you. In the 19th century, which
East European countries actually permitted Jews to function as a
jailer or guard or "similar occupation"? Did Shtetls back then have
special jails for Jews run by Jewish police and staffed by Jewish guards
or jailers?

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Lost relatives name #general

Wegner, Peter
 

On Oct 22, 3:39?pm, alanjail...@... (alanjailler) wrote:
I am trying to find the original surname of my grandfather.
...
His new U.K.
adoptive name was Frederick JAILER.
Gil Robison replied:
Alan,
I had a couple of thoughts. One is searching for the Yiddish, Russian,
German and Ukranian words for "jailer" or similar occupational names,
such as "guard."

Gil,

As to that, I have a question for you. In the 19th century, which
East European countries actually permitted Jews to function as a
jailer or guard or "similar occupation"? Did Shtetls back then have
special jails for Jews run by Jewish police and staffed by Jewish guards
or jailers?

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


Message from Yad Vashem #general

Ingrid Rockberger <ingridr@...>
 

Dear Genners

Yad Vashem has asked me to post the following notice......

Yad Vashem Shoah Victims' Names Recovery staff will be on site at the
upcoming 19th Annual Conference of World Federation of Jewish Child
Survivors of the Holocaust, November 5th-8th, in Jerusalem to provide
assistance with searching the Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names and
with completing Pages of Testimony for victims who perished. Those
interested may also register to join our global network of volunteers to
help complete this historic effort.

As many of you know, volunteers >from JFRA Israel (Jewish Family Research
Association) are actively assisting Yad Vashem in this project, and we hope
many of you around the world are also participating. This is our last chance
to record the life of a Holocaust victim, and at the same time provide
research tools for ourselves and future generations of genealogists.

Regards
Ingrid

Ingrid Rockberger
President
Jewish Family Research Association (JFRA)
Israel
www.genealogy.org.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Message from Yad Vashem #general

Ingrid Rockberger <ingridr@...>
 

Dear Genners

Yad Vashem has asked me to post the following notice......

Yad Vashem Shoah Victims' Names Recovery staff will be on site at the
upcoming 19th Annual Conference of World Federation of Jewish Child
Survivors of the Holocaust, November 5th-8th, in Jerusalem to provide
assistance with searching the Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names and
with completing Pages of Testimony for victims who perished. Those
interested may also register to join our global network of volunteers to
help complete this historic effort.

As many of you know, volunteers >from JFRA Israel (Jewish Family Research
Association) are actively assisting Yad Vashem in this project, and we hope
many of you around the world are also participating. This is our last chance
to record the life of a Holocaust victim, and at the same time provide
research tools for ourselves and future generations of genealogists.

Regards
Ingrid

Ingrid Rockberger
President
Jewish Family Research Association (JFRA)
Israel
www.genealogy.org.il


Bobruisk fire brigade - How to research awards from Government #general

David Colman <davidcolman@...>
 

In the Bobruisk yizkor book, there is a mention of a Jewish fireman named
only CHERNIAK. It says that he received "many awards >from the government".

As I am researching Cherniaks >from Bobruisk, I am curious if anybody has any
ideas about following up on this lead. Where might records of such "awards"
be found? Or whether there would be any sources on the Bobruisk volunteer
fire brigade other than the yizkor book.

David Colman
Toronto, Canada

CHERNIAK and MEISTER, Bobruisk; RAJEWSKI & RAJEWICZ, Szydlowiec; KALMANOWICZ
& SZMETERLING, Sierpc and Raciaz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bobruisk fire brigade - How to research awards from Government #general

David Colman <davidcolman@...>
 

In the Bobruisk yizkor book, there is a mention of a Jewish fireman named
only CHERNIAK. It says that he received "many awards >from the government".

As I am researching Cherniaks >from Bobruisk, I am curious if anybody has any
ideas about following up on this lead. Where might records of such "awards"
be found? Or whether there would be any sources on the Bobruisk volunteer
fire brigade other than the yizkor book.

David Colman
Toronto, Canada

CHERNIAK and MEISTER, Bobruisk; RAJEWSKI & RAJEWICZ, Szydlowiec; KALMANOWICZ
& SZMETERLING, Sierpc and Raciaz