Please view Polish letter >from Lodz Archives files and translate it.

Please go to http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate and click on the "To
View" button. Then double click on #VM 10611.

Please send the translation to <freedom155@...>.

Thanks for any help.
Joshua Flapan

Even if you asked for a private answer, I think that mine may
interest other siggers. In August 1939, Jona Arenberg received
probably the documents granted by the Prefect of Police of Paris. But
WWII began on next 3 September and everything became different. Jona
ARENBERG probably hid somewhere in France and tried to be silent, not
willing to make speak about him. Then, as it was the case for
hundreds of Jews in France during WWII, nobody probably ever heard of
him, until that sad 30 June when he was arrested and sent to
Auschwitz.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org

Please view Polish letter >from Lodz Archives files and translate it.

Please go to http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate and click on the "To
View" button. Then double click on #VM 10611.

Please send the translation to <freedom155@...>.

Thanks for any help.
Joshua Flapan

Even if you asked for a private answer, I think that mine may
interest other siggers. In August 1939, Jona Arenberg received
probably the documents granted by the Prefect of Police of Paris. But
WWII began on next 3 September and everything became different. Jona
ARENBERG probably hid somewhere in France and tried to be silent, not
willing to make speak about him. Then, as it was the case for
hundreds of Jews in France during WWII, nobody probably ever heard of
him, until that sad 30 June when he was arrested and sent to
Auschwitz.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org

Adam Katzeff wrote:

In 1889 the government in Finland gave a certain permission to some of the
... snip...
*Zacharias ROSENBERG, former soldier.
*David ROSENBERG, former soldier.
*Fredrik ROSENBERG, son of a soldier.
... snip...

None of these names are familiar to me unless Fredrik was another son
of Nathans and brother to Louis.

In the same list as above there is a former under officer Jankel BRESCHINSKI
who got permission to stay in Helsinki. Maybe the father of Gittel Raisel?

That is very likely my GGG Grandfather Ya'akov. Where can I obtain
more information or view this list?

Thank you-
Erica Epstein-Calleia
NYC

Searching:
BREZINSKY (All possible spellings); EHRENWALD; EPSTEIN; FEDER:
Belarus; GAVITON/GAVATON; KARP: Galicia, L'viv, Ukraine; LIPOFSKY:
Belarus; REICHENTHAL; ROSENBERG: Finland, New York; ROSENTHAL

Hello!

I have ordered through the Family History Library the records of Cernowitz
1882-1884. I hope I will find the records of my grand father Josef ROSENBERG
and of Isak SHAPIRA who could be his brother.

I would like to write to the Suceava archives to find the birth record of my
father Hermann Leo ROSENBERG born in Cacica, as well as my grand mother Sali
GRUMER. In what language do you advise me to do it: English? French?
Rumanian? Should I put some money in the envelop for the stamp for an
answer?

Thanks to JewishGen, I have found that the family >from Constantinople was
buried there. In what language should I write to the Jewish comunity of
Istanbul to know how Eva GOLDENBERG was acquainted to my grand father Josef
ROSENBERG? I suppose she was his sister and would like to know her maiden
name, place of birth, names of her parents, and if she had children.

As you see I know very little about my family and would appreciate any help
in the way to advance in my researches.

Thanks!

Anne Rosenberg
Paris

Hello!

I have ordered through the Family History Library the records of Cernowitz
1882-1884. I hope I will find the records of my grand father Josef ROSENBERG
and of Isak SHAPIRA who could be his brother.

I would like to write to the Suceava archives to find the birth record of my
father Hermann Leo ROSENBERG born in Cacica, as well as my grand mother Sali
GRUMER. In what language do you advise me to do it: English? French?
Rumanian? Should I put some money in the envelop for the stamp for an
answer?

Thanks to JewishGen, I have found that the family >from Constantinople was
buried there. In what language should I write to the Jewish comunity of
Istanbul to know how Eva GOLDENBERG was acquainted to my grand father Josef
ROSENBERG? I suppose she was his sister and would like to know her maiden
name, place of birth, names of her parents, and if she had children.

As you see I know very little about my family and would appreciate any help
in the way to advance in my researches.

Thanks!

Anne Rosenberg
Paris

Adam Katzeff wrote:

In 1889 the government in Finland gave a certain permission to some of the
... snip...
*Zacharias ROSENBERG, former soldier.
*David ROSENBERG, former soldier.
*Fredrik ROSENBERG, son of a soldier.
... snip...

None of these names are familiar to me unless Fredrik was another son
of Nathans and brother to Louis.

In the same list as above there is a former under officer Jankel BRESCHINSKI
who got permission to stay in Helsinki. Maybe the father of Gittel Raisel?

That is very likely my GGG Grandfather Ya'akov. Where can I obtain
more information or view this list?

Thank you-
Erica Epstein-Calleia
NYC

Searching:
BREZINSKY (All possible spellings); EHRENWALD; EPSTEIN; FEDER:
Belarus; GAVITON/GAVATON; KARP: Galicia, L'viv, Ukraine; LIPOFSKY:
Belarus; REICHENTHAL; ROSENBERG: Finland, New York; ROSENTHAL

Erica,

The surnames you mention and the individuals Adam mentions are also
on Meliza Amity's website of largely Finish jewish genealgy
http://www.amitys.com/phpGedView/index.php?ctype=gedcom

Also similar surnames such as Brschesinsky, Brosinsky, Breschinski,
Braschinsky, Fellstein,

Judith Diamond
England

Erica,

The surnames you mention and the individuals Adam mentions are also
on Meliza Amity's website of largely Finish jewish genealgy
http://www.amitys.com/phpGedView/index.php?ctype=gedcom

Also similar surnames such as Brschesinsky, Brosinsky, Breschinski,
Braschinsky, Fellstein,

Judith Diamond
England

Dear Adam
Are there any KOLBELSKI family listed? My husband's grandfather was Ephraim
ben Zvi KOLBELSKI and born in 1868 in Vyborg then Finland that has since
been returned to Russia. He then went to Warsaw and Berlin.Are there records
of soldiers who were permitted to stay in Finland? His Father would have
been such a one.
Thanks
Eleanor Lind
London UK

Dear Adam
Are there any KOLBELSKI family listed? My husband's grandfather was Ephraim
ben Zvi KOLBELSKI and born in 1868 in Vyborg then Finland that has since
been returned to Russia. He then went to Warsaw and Berlin.Are there records
of soldiers who were permitted to stay in Finland? His Father would have
been such a one.
Thanks
Eleanor Lind
London UK

A question I have on the mtDNA matches is how does it work with
identifying a specific female ancestor, as if a female would have
identical results as a descendant of her sister, and as if indeed
the Haplotype would be exactly the same back 20,000 years?

In other words, do I pick up changes with the mtDNA with each female
generation or are they going to be identical for a very, very long
time in the past? So a current day direct female descendant of a
female ancestor of mine >from the 1600s will have the exact MT-DNA
results as me? And one >from 2000 years ago as well? So, the Jewish
matches my mtDNA shows may be >from pre-Israel times?

Thank you for any illumination
Glenn Hill

A question I have on the mtDNA matches is how does it work with
identifying a specific female ancestor, as if a female would have
identical results as a descendant of her sister, and as if indeed
the Haplotype would be exactly the same back 20,000 years?

In other words, do I pick up changes with the mtDNA with each female
generation or are they going to be identical for a very, very long
time in the past? So a current day direct female descendant of a
female ancestor of mine >from the 1600s will have the exact MT-DNA
results as me? And one >from 2000 years ago as well? So, the Jewish
matches my mtDNA shows may be >from pre-Israel times?

Thank you for any illumination
Glenn Hill

A question I have for mtDNA type R4, which is described as being
rare, and >from the Middle East, though occurring a bit in Europe.
Does anyone know of the percentage of Jewish female lines having
this mtDNA type? I show about 85 matches with Jewish indiviuals in
this line, though they are one or two steps removed in mutation. So
that would take them way back in time? Could this be as close as 600
years, or more likely 20,000 to 2,000?

Thanks
Glenn Hill

A question I have for mtDNA type R4, which is described as being
rare, and >from the Middle East, though occurring a bit in Europe.
Does anyone know of the percentage of Jewish female lines having
this mtDNA type? I show about 85 matches with Jewish indiviuals in
this line, though they are one or two steps removed in mutation. So
that would take them way back in time? Could this be as close as 600
years, or more likely 20,000 to 2,000?

Thanks
Glenn Hill

I am wondering about the Y-DNA I Haplotype, that both groups of
ANTHONY men have been shown to have, in the FTDNA ANTHONY surname
study group. The one branch, >from RI, and before that England, have
been shown in the historical records to have been of Jewish/converso
Jewish ancestry. The other line, >from Mark ANTHONY of Virginia, born
in Amsterdam or Genoa, is suspected of also being of the same
background. The two groups of tests do not match, though they may
well be of the same family back further in time. I also have reason
to suspect that the Mark ANTHONY line may have originally had the
surname MENDES.

Does anyone know if this type is Italian or Iberian in origin?

Thanks
Glenn Hill

I am wondering about the Y-DNA I Haplotype, that both groups of
ANTHONY men have been shown to have, in the FTDNA ANTHONY surname
study group. The one branch, >from RI, and before that England, have
been shown in the historical records to have been of Jewish/converso
Jewish ancestry. The other line, >from Mark ANTHONY of Virginia, born
in Amsterdam or Genoa, is suspected of also being of the same
background. The two groups of tests do not match, though they may
well be of the same family back further in time. I also have reason
to suspect that the Mark ANTHONY line may have originally had the
surname MENDES.

Does anyone know if this type is Italian or Iberian in origin?

Thanks
Glenn Hill

Just because your family name originated in Alsace does not preclude someone
else >from having the same name with a different origin.

Note that the Ellis Island record gives Eisik's origin as Poland. (By the
way, Eisik is a phonetic spelling for the name we now spell as Isaac.) In
1891 there was no state called Poland so there is probably more information
on the passenger list indicating that he came >from the Polish part of
Russia, or the Polish part of Austria or the Polish part of Germany.

My impression is that migration >from the places once called Poland at that
time could be to France, or it could be to the US or other locations.
Perhaps your Alsace Pelsy ancestors had moved there >from eastern Europe, and
Eisik was a brother or cousin who decided to use their name when traveling
to the US.

While there could have been a variation introduced when Eisik's name was
written down by a clerk, that would not have happened at Ellis Island. The
name related activities there were based on the passenger lists, which were
created by the ship's officers during the voyage, or by shipping clerks at
the port of departure. As his port of departure >from England was Liverpool,
it is possible that he traveled there >from eastern Europe, traveling on a
through ticketing arrangement made by shipping agents who circulated in
eastern Europe. One route was by boat to the eastern coast of England (Hull
or Grimsby) by train (The Great Northern Railway) to Liverpool , then a wait
of a week, a month or more in Liverpool before boarding the transatlantic
vessel.
--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@...

"Rhonda Bertram" <lgl_bgl@...> wrote

Just because your family name originated in Alsace does not preclude someone
else >from having the same name with a different origin.

Note that the Ellis Island record gives Eisik's origin as Poland. (By the
way, Eisik is a phonetic spelling for the name we now spell as Isaac.) In
1891 there was no state called Poland so there is probably more information
on the passenger list indicating that he came >from the Polish part of
Russia, or the Polish part of Austria or the Polish part of Germany.

My impression is that migration >from the places once called Poland at that
time could be to France, or it could be to the US or other locations.
Perhaps your Alsace Pelsy ancestors had moved there >from eastern Europe, and
Eisik was a brother or cousin who decided to use their name when traveling
to the US.

While there could have been a variation introduced when Eisik's name was
written down by a clerk, that would not have happened at Ellis Island. The
name related activities there were based on the passenger lists, which were
created by the ship's officers during the voyage, or by shipping clerks at
the port of departure. As his port of departure >from England was Liverpool,
it is possible that he traveled there >from eastern Europe, traveling on a
through ticketing arrangement made by shipping agents who circulated in
eastern Europe. One route was by boat to the eastern coast of England (Hull
or Grimsby) by train (The Great Northern Railway) to Liverpool , then a wait
of a week, a month or more in Liverpool before boarding the transatlantic
vessel.
--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@...

"Rhonda Bertram" <lgl_bgl@...> wrote