"Bernie & Marlene Dobrin" <dobrins@...> wrote in message

Paul Silverstone wrote "It seems unlikely that he was in England first and then
went to Russia, but who knows?" I would have agreed with Paul up to the last

month. I wrote to my husband's mtDNA matches in hope of finding some connections

and have found none. As far as we know the whole family came >from Russia as far
back as early 1800s.

According to the website of the Russo-British Chamber of Commerce the two countries
recently celebrated 450 years of trade relations.
http://www.rbcc.com/about/history.html According to
http://www.standrewsmoscow.org Anglican worship was first allowed in 1553 by the
Tsar for British traders. I cannot comment as to whether there was settlement but
apparently Huegenots were invited to Russia in 1689 following the Edict of Nantes.
Peter the Great came to England at about this time to study shipbuilding at
Deptford Dockyard.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/
FREDKIN (?)(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

"Bernie & Marlene Dobrin" <dobrins@...> wrote in message

Paul Silverstone wrote "It seems unlikely that he was in England first and then
went to Russia, but who knows?" I would have agreed with Paul up to the last

month. I wrote to my husband's mtDNA matches in hope of finding some connections

and have found none. As far as we know the whole family came >from Russia as far
back as early 1800s.

According to the website of the Russo-British Chamber of Commerce the two countries
recently celebrated 450 years of trade relations.
http://www.rbcc.com/about/history.html According to
http://www.standrewsmoscow.org Anglican worship was first allowed in 1553 by the
Tsar for British traders. I cannot comment as to whether there was settlement but
apparently Huegenots were invited to Russia in 1689 following the Edict of Nantes.
Peter the Great came to England at about this time to study shipbuilding at
Deptford Dockyard.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/
FREDKIN (?)(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

I have posted scans on ViewMate of two postcards sent >from Minsk
gubernya to the US in 1911 and 1912. They are written in a rather
florid Yiddish hand that people I know who read some Yiddish have been
unable to decipher -- lovely as calligraphy, but legible?? I would
greatly appreciate it if anyone can help translate these. (I have one
or two more if you can manage these.)
To view the viewmate files, please go to http://data.
Jewishgen.org/viewmate
And see files VM10403 and VM10404
Please respond privately to=20

Jerry Touger
Milton MA USA
jtouger@...

I have posted scans on ViewMate of two postcards sent >from Minsk
gubernya to the US in 1911 and 1912. They are written in a rather
florid Yiddish hand that people I know who read some Yiddish have been
unable to decipher -- lovely as calligraphy, but legible?? I would
greatly appreciate it if anyone can help translate these. (I have one
or two more if you can manage these.)
To view the viewmate files, please go to http://data.
Jewishgen.org/viewmate
And see files VM10403 and VM10404
Please respond privately to=20

Jerry Touger
Milton MA USA
jtouger@...

Dear Genners,
I should like to learn more about Elfriede UCKO ( b. Mainz, 17 Oct 1887 ).
Apparently she gotr married in Breslau, now Wroclaw, Poland in 1939. I am
not aware of her husband´s name.
Her father was Wilhelm UCKO ( b. Breslau, 1848 ), her mother was Hulda STAHL
( b. Breslau, 1851 ). Her brothers Fritz and Hans were born in Breslau in
1877 and 1878 respectively.
Elfriede seems to have died in the holocaust. She was declared dead in 1957.

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
I should like to learn more about Elfriede UCKO ( b. Mainz, 17 Oct 1887 ).
Apparently she gotr married in Breslau, now Wroclaw, Poland in 1939. I am
not aware of her husband´s name.
Her father was Wilhelm UCKO ( b. Breslau, 1848 ), her mother was Hulda STAHL
( b. Breslau, 1851 ). Her brothers Fritz and Hans were born in Breslau in
1877 and 1878 respectively.
Elfriede seems to have died in the holocaust. She was declared dead in 1957.

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
I am also trying to find out what became of Ellen PHILIPS ( b. Mainz, 31 Aug
1904 ) and her sister Annaliese PHILIPS ( b. Mainz, 21 Feb 1907 ). Their
father was Consul Arthur Philips. In 1913 this family moved >from Mainz to
Breslau, now Wroclaw, Poland. Sincerely,

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
I am also trying to find out what became of Ellen PHILIPS ( b. Mainz, 31 Aug
1904 ) and her sister Annaliese PHILIPS ( b. Mainz, 21 Feb 1907 ). Their
father was Consul Arthur Philips. In 1913 this family moved >from Mainz to
Breslau, now Wroclaw, Poland. Sincerely,

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
Does anyone happen to know what became of Rosa KOHN ( b. Breslau / now
Wroclaw, Poland, 16 May 1898)? Her father was Josef KOHN, managing director in
the firm of Conrad Tack, Mainz. Sincerely,

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
Does anyone happen to know what became of Rosa KOHN ( b. Breslau / now
Wroclaw, Poland, 16 May 1898)? Her father was Josef KOHN, managing director in
the firm of Conrad Tack, Mainz. Sincerely,

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
I am trying to trace Hedwig NELKEN, nee BONDI ( b. Mainz, 1890 ). In 1920
she got married to Samuel Nelken, a merchant in Breslau / now Wroclaw,
Poland. Her father was Bertram Bondi ( 1833 - Mainz, 1906 ) , her mother
Charlotte Johannette LOB / LOEB ( Bingen, 1855 - Mainz, 19012 ). Sincerely,

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID: 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

Dear Genners,
I am trying to trace Hedwig NELKEN, nee BONDI ( b. Mainz, 1890 ). In 1920
she got married to Samuel Nelken, a merchant in Breslau / now Wroclaw,
Poland. Her father was Bertram Bondi ( 1833 - Mainz, 1906 ) , her mother
Charlotte Johannette LOB / LOEB ( Bingen, 1855 - Mainz, 19012 ). Sincerely,

Reinhard Frenzel, Mainz JGID: 103668 <reinhardfrenzel@...>

My nephew Ward Karson is the first of our family since 1921 to go back
to his Grandpa Dave Kempner (Radviliskis) & Grandma Bess Rief Kempner
(Seduva) home towns (villages?) in Lithuania. He met a young man
Gediminas Vaicekauskas who worked at some kind of community services
office in the Radviliskis city center who spoke a bit of English.
Gediminas told Ward of the defunct Jewish cemetery outside of town and
he left his office in the presence of his managers to drive Ward to the
cemetery.

The Jewish cemetery in Radviliskis is closed, but Gediminas convinced
the caretaker (a 60 year old woman who has been the lone caretaker of
the vandalized property for the past 40 years) to put the guard dog in
a pen and allow Ward through the locked gates. The weeds were
knee-high, and so they had to wade through the weeds to eventually get
to Yitzchak Zvi Hirsch PoKempner's grave. Ward was standing in front of
his great, great grandfather's grave. Ward did not take a photo of the
grave, since it was raining outside and he wasn't entirely sure if it
was the correct grave. Only later did he realize it was the right
grave.

Ward took a bus to Seduva. He was successfully able to find the name of
two streets which Bess Kempner's family lived on, but was not able to
find the homes. After that, he took a bus to Kaunas and spent the
evening there. The next morning he went to the Ninth Fort of Kaunas
and toured the facility in order to understand how and where people
were killed during World War II. He walked around the entire old city
of Kaunas for many hours and then took a bus to Vilnius.

Marlene Kempner Dobrin - Arizona USA
Family names Kempner, PoKempner, PaKempner, Mirvis, Rief, Westerman,
Melman, Zox, Sachs, Krechmer, Litt, Luntz, Meyerson, Marovich, Shanken,
Herzog, Hillman, Fleischman, Segall, Friedman, Dobrin, Dobrinsky,
Feirstein, Firestone, Fuxman, Schuman

My nephew Ward Karson is the first of our family since 1921 to go back
to his Grandpa Dave Kempner (Radviliskis) & Grandma Bess Rief Kempner
(Seduva) home towns (villages?) in Lithuania. He met a young man
Gediminas Vaicekauskas who worked at some kind of community services
office in the Radviliskis city center who spoke a bit of English.
Gediminas told Ward of the defunct Jewish cemetery outside of town and
he left his office in the presence of his managers to drive Ward to the
cemetery.

The Jewish cemetery in Radviliskis is closed, but Gediminas convinced
the caretaker (a 60 year old woman who has been the lone caretaker of
the vandalized property for the past 40 years) to put the guard dog in
a pen and allow Ward through the locked gates. The weeds were
knee-high, and so they had to wade through the weeds to eventually get
to Yitzchak Zvi Hirsch PoKempner's grave. Ward was standing in front of
his great, great grandfather's grave. Ward did not take a photo of the
grave, since it was raining outside and he wasn't entirely sure if it
was the correct grave. Only later did he realize it was the right
grave.

Ward took a bus to Seduva. He was successfully able to find the name of
two streets which Bess Kempner's family lived on, but was not able to
find the homes. After that, he took a bus to Kaunas and spent the
evening there. The next morning he went to the Ninth Fort of Kaunas
and toured the facility in order to understand how and where people
were killed during World War II. He walked around the entire old city
of Kaunas for many hours and then took a bus to Vilnius.

Marlene Kempner Dobrin - Arizona USA
Family names Kempner, PoKempner, PaKempner, Mirvis, Rief, Westerman,
Melman, Zox, Sachs, Krechmer, Litt, Luntz, Meyerson, Marovich, Shanken,
Herzog, Hillman, Fleischman, Segall, Friedman, Dobrin, Dobrinsky,
Feirstein, Firestone, Fuxman, Schuman

==That's a Standesamt for you. Worse still, that's in the former Eastern Germany
where the Communist way of life still holds sway over today's petty clerks.

==Avoid them whenever you can. Instead, address the Stadtarchiv (city
archives) or Staatsarchiv (State archive) covering Leipzig. Archivists are
university trained. They deal with documents and history. Unless the petty clerks in
the Stadtsamt who dislike dealing with the general public, the archivists enjoy
intellectual and professional challenge, and they are not constrained by
the same laws.

==Tell the archivist that you are engaged in research (researching for Yad
vaShem counts) or are planning a lecture or article (for jewishgen.org, say).
Promise to share with them whatever information you have on your family or
town, ancestors and descendants. They will almost certainly supply you with a
bundle of documents, very likely, without charge.

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@...

8/20/2007 Zimmer-Luedinghausen@... writes:
<< I have a relative (Charlotta LEIER nee Lang) who was born in Leipzig,
Germany. Together with her 3 year old son Anton she was sent >from Prague
to Terezin in 1942. Here Anton LANG (he was given her mother's family
name) died a few months later. Charlotta was sent to Osvetim in 1944.
She did not return. Charlotta was a sister of my grandmother .

<< I wrote to the Leipzig Standesamt and asked for Charlotta's birth
certificate. I was given the answer that I am not entitled to get a copy
of the certificate because only relatives in the direct line (father
grandfather etc) are entitled to.

<< I wrote back telling them that there weren't any direct relatives
because Charlotta and her son Anton were killed by the Nazis and I
wanted to find out as much as possible about them to document their life
and death, for example sharing as much information as possible with Yad
Vashem etc. The reply was the same again. Strictly following the rule!

<< Has anybody had similar experiences and knows a way to make the civil
servants send me a copy?

==That's a Standesamt for you. Worse still, that's in the former Eastern Germany
where the Communist way of life still holds sway over today's petty clerks.

==Avoid them whenever you can. Instead, address the Stadtarchiv (city
archives) or Staatsarchiv (State archive) covering Leipzig. Archivists are
university trained. They deal with documents and history. Unless the petty clerks in
the Stadtsamt who dislike dealing with the general public, the archivists enjoy
intellectual and professional challenge, and they are not constrained by
the same laws.

==Tell the archivist that you are engaged in research (researching for Yad
vaShem counts) or are planning a lecture or article (for jewishgen.org, say).
Promise to share with them whatever information you have on your family or
town, ancestors and descendants. They will almost certainly supply you with a
bundle of documents, very likely, without charge.

Michael Bernet, New York mbernet@...

8/20/2007 Zimmer-Luedinghausen@... writes:
<< I have a relative (Charlotta LEIER nee Lang) who was born in Leipzig,
Germany. Together with her 3 year old son Anton she was sent >from Prague
to Terezin in 1942. Here Anton LANG (he was given her mother's family
name) died a few months later. Charlotta was sent to Osvetim in 1944.
She did not return. Charlotta was a sister of my grandmother .

<< I wrote to the Leipzig Standesamt and asked for Charlotta's birth
certificate. I was given the answer that I am not entitled to get a copy
of the certificate because only relatives in the direct line (father
grandfather etc) are entitled to.

<< I wrote back telling them that there weren't any direct relatives
because Charlotta and her son Anton were killed by the Nazis and I
wanted to find out as much as possible about them to document their life
and death, for example sharing as much information as possible with Yad
Vashem etc. The reply was the same again. Strictly following the rule!

<< Has anybody had similar experiences and knows a way to make the civil
servants send me a copy?

Marc,

You're probably looking for a place called Nyarad, which is a
possible spelling of a place name that sounded like "Nerad". There
are three possibilities located in Veszprem, Gyor, and Ung counties.
If the family was living in Saros the most likely prospect is
Ungnyarad, now Narad, Slovakia, near Velky Kapusany.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching families including:

KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.)
LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Sobrance, Kosice, Michalovce, Lastomir,
Slov; Uzhorod, Ukr.; NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kristy, Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance, Zemplen
ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod,
STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.)

Searching for anyone researching the surname SCHONBRUN >from the towns
of Nagy Kapos/Velke Kapusany Ubrez/Ubrezs, Bejuyyata and Bejcz in
Slovakia/Zemplen County.

Specific given names were: Majer/Meyer, Yaakov, Henshi, Gusie, Moshe,
Sadie, Avraham, Abish, Toba Chaya, Ezsti, and Lina all born 1850s-1890s
(approx.)

Also researching Nache MOSKOWITZ, born Velke Kapusany 1856 (wife of
Majer Schonbrun b. 1852) married 1874.

Since these are not uncommon surnames, please reply only if yours are >from
these towns, or towns close by in this region of pre-Trianon Hungary.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...

Does anyone know where the metrical records for the following towns in Zemp=
len County (or currently in Slovakia) are held:

Nagy Kapos/Velke Kapusany
Ubrez/Ubrezs
Bejuyyata
Bejcz

Additionally, if you have had success in obtaining any B/M/D records >from t=
hese towns please provide particulars.

Unless the information is of interest to the listserv, please reply private=
ly.

Thank you!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...

Marc,

You're probably looking for a place called Nyarad, which is a
possible spelling of a place name that sounded like "Nerad". There
are three possibilities located in Veszprem, Gyor, and Ung counties.
If the family was living in Saros the most likely prospect is
Ungnyarad, now Narad, Slovakia, near Velky Kapusany.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching families including:

KOHN/Zebegnyo, Hung. (Zebehnov, Slov.), Tarnoka (Trnavka, Slov.)
LEFKOVITS/Kolbaszo (Kolbasov, Slov.), Kismihaly (Michajlov, Slov.)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Sobrance, Kosice, Michalovce, Lastomir,
Slov; Uzhorod, Ukr.; NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kristy, Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance, Zemplen
ROZENBERG/Sobrance, Uzhorod,
STEIF/Sobrance, Slov., Horjani, Ukr. (Gereny, Hung.)