Re: Werner and Eisenhandler families. #poland #ukraine


Thank you so much for this information, Peter. I joined GenTeam a few weeks back, but didn't get very far as they said I really need to know where in Vienna the family lived. I also haven't got very far with, so if you are able to send any info privately I would much appreciate it. Here is the info I have on the other children of Tobias Eisenhandler and Lea Werner.
Heinrich born around 1891 in Nowe Miasto, died 10/12/1930 in Vienna. He married Else Grunbaum and they had two daughters, Gerda, born 11/9/1926 and Ruth, born 12/12/1928, both in Vienna.
Then came Berta Bluma, born 4/2/1896 in Nowe Miasto, died 19/12/1976 in Sydney, Australia.
Next was Sacher Siegfried Werner (the horse-racer), born on 29/12/1898 in Nowe Miasto, died 28/7/1983 in Hollywood, Florida. He married Martha but I have no info on her.
Moritz Robert was born on 14/5/1903 in Vienna, died 30/1/1968 in Katoomba. He married Grete Raymond (no dates known).
The last of the five children (unless there were more we don't know about) was Helene, born on 4/8/1906 in Vienna, died 19/2/2001 in Sydney. She married Richard Morley, born 3/6/1901 in Vienna, died 30/9/1960 in Sydney.
we don't know where Lea and Tobias were married. I have tried searching for Nowe Miasto (which means New Town!) but no luck so far. I think it may be useful to have a birth certificate for Lea and Tobias, as hopefully that would give their parents' names and perhaps some other details. In connection with the Werner family, who spent some time in Ulanov, I have been told that the official records are kept in Sanok, but the website I was indicated for searching their details is only in German and Polish, I think, so I am a bit stuck.
Any help you can provide would be much appreciated.
Best regards,

Hungarian Forced LaborCompany 108-58 #holocaust #hungary #ukraine

Alex Magocsi

I am currently translating a document, related to the referenced Hungarian Forced Labor Company, from German to English.
The document list the various places in the then "Kingdom of Hungary" 1941-1944, where the laborers were forced to work and is written in German but with Hungarian names for those places.  I would like to check that I have pinpointed the correct places.
Does anyone know if there is source of information regarding this specific Forced Labor Company?

Thank you

Alex Magocsi
Hamburg Germany / York Maine

Currently researching:  GROSZ, Nyirbator

new edition of Sokoly and vicinity yizkorbook Diary of Michael Maik #yizkorbooks #poland

Avigdor Ben-Dov <avigdorbd@...>

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Date: Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:00 AM
Subject: new edition of Sokoly and vicinity yizkorbook Diary of Michael Maik #yizkorbooks #Poland
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As a Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF) registered researcher for Sokoly, Poland, I thought you would want to know that the Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project of JewishGen, has just published a revised (Dec. 2019), 2nd edition of the book:  


Deliverance: The Diary of Michael Maik 

In Memory of the Destroyed Jewish Community of Sokoly, Poland

Translated from the Hebrew by Laia Ben-Dov
Edited by Avigdor Ben-Dov 
Hard Cover, 9“ by 9“
276 pages with all original illustrations, an index and photographs.

List price: $62.95, available from JewishGen for $31

Researchers and descendants of Sokoly and vicinity Jewish communities will especially want to have this book for remembrance and to pass on to future generations of children and grandchildren. The Yizkor-Books-in-Print Project has done a magnificent job of creating a sturdy hard-cover book that is a treasure and a beautiful resource for information about ordinary lives of Jews and their communities in a world that is no more.


To order, go online to the bottom  of

and click on JewishGen to fill out the order form and pay by PayPal.

The Yizkor-Books-In-Print Project now has 94 titles available. To see all the books, go to:


We hope you will find this book of interest to you and your family in discovering the history of your ancestors. You might also consider donating a copy to other relatives or friends who might be interested, or--If you live in a community or city with a Holocaust museum or public library -- you may be able to make a copy available to many other readers. By further sharing of this book, you will be fulfilling Michael Maik’s heartfelt plea to tell the story of the Jews from Sokoly and vicinity to the Jews of the world and not let their voices be silenced. Indeed, all mankind needs a moral reawakening and a firm commitment that the evil events described in this book shall never be allowed to happen again.


Please note, I have no financial interest in the sale of this book and all work I, and others have done to translate, edit and prepare the book for publication has solely been done on a voluntary, non-profit basis in honor of Michael Maik and his son, Moshe, may their memory be for a blessing.


Avigdor Ben-Dov


Re: Werner and Eisenhandler families. #poland #ukraine


Thank you so much for this information. I have sent on your two replies to my husband's cousin in Australia. It is for him that I am doing this research. He remembers meeting Siegfried the horse-racer once when he came to Australia in 1964. He is the son of Blanka Werner, daughter of Berta Bluma Eisenhandler (or Werner after her mother and she and all her siblings reverted to Lea's maiden name of Werner. It is all quite complicated, not helped by the name changes! As Lea and Tobias were divorced in 1918, I assume the name change took place around that time. I have an electronic copy of the death certificate (from Sydney, Australia) of Berta and her first husband Siegfried Sacher Werner (not the horse-racer). Apart from that and a photo of Lea's gravestone, I have no official documents. The gravestone for Lea gives only her name and some Hebrew text, which I cannot read, but it may give some useful info on her parents, Chaim Werner and Marjim (Miriam?) Engelhart. I know nothing about the parents of Tobias Eisenhandler. Any help on any of the above topics would be most welcome. Please note that I will give a detailed reply to your other message when I have time to collect together all the relevant info.
Best regards, Maggie (yes the Ancestry tree maggiej78360 is mine!)

Re: immigration to Cuba #general #latinamerica

Judith Sternberg

I am looking for how my grandfather, Abraham 'Avram' Rapaport, got from Europe to Cuba in 1939. Are you willing to share the manifests you have for ships leaving Europe to Cuba in May 1939? Or can you guide me where I can find out this information?
My grandfather was from Vienna, interned at Dachau shortly after Krystal Nacht 1938, released the end of Jan 1939 with the requirement that he get out of Europe. He was sick and emaciated so had to recover for a few months. I think he left sometime in May because that's when his wife left for New York. I also think he left from a French port only because he had a very good friend in France who arranged passage for the whole family to leave from a French port. He made it to Cuba with an official US Visa and family stories say that it was on one of the ships that left off some passengers in Havana but returned the rest back to Europe. He was in Cuba ~2 years and entered the USA May 30, 1941. It sounds like the SS Saint Louis story but that's the only manifest I have from USHMM and his name is not on it.
Thanks so much;
Judith Sternberg

Re: Simplest & Best Way For Extended Family To View/Comment On Digital Photos? #general

Lynn Franklin

The question:

What have people found is the best way to 'crowdsource' knowledge about a collection of hundreds/thousands of family photos among several generations of extended family with widely varying (but on average low) technical ability?

My answer:

My husband and I have tried many ways, with numerous sets of photos and different families.  What's been most successful for us is starting a private group on facebook, that no one uninvited can see or find.  It is very private, and that's been good, as it let people feel more free to express their feelings and tell stories that they wouldn't want anyone outside the family sharing.  The more people we got to look at the photos and comment on them, the better the system worked.

In our case, these were the photos and papers left by the youngest daughter of 11 siblings who had nursed her mother and many other siblings as they died.  She ended up with six sets of photos and papers, including her parents.  We wanted to share them with all of the grandchildren and great grandchildren.  This worked for us.


(1) any way to import metadata (descriptions, etc.) from an existing source or does it all have to be reentered by hand?
Not on facebook, that I found.  I scanned and uploaded the photos and papers.  Everyone was free to comment on them.  The comments and stories sometimes went well afield of the photos, which was all the more interesting.
(2) Any tips on structuring descriptions so as to be able to search accurately (eg "Bella Poland 1920s" etc.)?
We uploaded them starting with albums, and labeled as such, including any labels for individual photos or papers.  By putting each persons facebook name in the description, you could limit your search by person.  This doesn't help you for years, or places or such.
(3) I read that there are issues with exporting comments should we ever want to move to a different platform. Any thoughts?
I've thought about this, but not come up with a good answer.  I'm not sure that they can be exported at all, unless by taking individual screen shots.

The main advantage of facebook over other methods that we've tried, is the ease of use for the extended family.  Any of the cousins that have a facebook account can fairly easily learn to navigate this system.  There were some that don't have facebook accounts, and don't want one.  They can't use this, unless they ask their children to show them.  Most of the family though already had facebook accounts, and so this worked easily and quickly for us.

Another advantage of facebook is that they will notify the family, via email, when new photos are added to the library, or a new post is add to one that you've previously commented on.

It's not a wonderful system, but it's worked very well for us. We probably have about 5000 photos, papers, awards, telegrams, newspaper articles, pieces of jewelry, etc posted to this site.

Good luck to you!

Lynn Franklin
Memphis, Tennessee, USA

Re: Missing records from Dunajow #austria-czech #poland #galicia


Thank you for your reply. My name is Micah Dicker and I live in New York.

ot in census #names

dennis gries

Please take a look at item 108 of the cited materials.  Ot means other color or race.


I first thought as this has been appearing in the messages, that OT meant OKLAHOMA TERRITORY (and it was Indian Territory), but that only would apply though the 1900 census, because if memory serves me correctly, OT would have become OK state in 1907.


Dennis Gries

Sarasota FL




Re: Kutno scans #general


Hi, Malcom.
My great grandmother was called Gecel Bencian.
He was born in Poland on 1870. Maybe He was from Kutno.


An Unexpected Reply and Win for JewishGen #hungary #JewishGenUpdates

Jerry Zeisler

Forgive me for this longish Thank You JewishGen! message regarding a success story. 


Several weeks ago, I posted a request for a translation/clarification from a Hungarian newspaper article for a story I am writing about my Groedel/Vecsey/Weiner/Zeisler family in Budapest. Several wonderful people replied and I had my answer. The story was about my cousin, Laszlo Vecsey, who had a run-in with a man named Count Viglia, a champion ballroom dancer, next to Hösök tere (Hero's Square) in Budapest during the early morning hours of 25 May 1922. 


The story goes as follows: Lazlo and some friends were in the Renaissance Pavilion restaurant where Count Viglia and his friends were eating and drinking at a nearby table. Viglia had been watching one of Laszlo’s friends and eventually sent a message requesting a conversation. But the invitation was so offensive that Laszlo’s friend ignored it. A few minutes later, Viglia sent another message, this time requesting a duel! Again, Laszlo’s friend ignored the request. Nothing further occurred until both parties left the restaurant at 2 am closing time. 


Just outside and without warning, Viglia went up to Laszlo’s friend and punched him in the face twice. Laszlo came to his rescue and Viglia began punching Laszlo as well who then pulled out a gun, yelled at Viglia to stop, which he didn't, and then shot Viglia twice, with one bullet hitting Viglia in the palm and entering his chest and shoulder. After everyone had been arrested and questioned by the police, and Viglia sent to the hospital with non-life-threatening wounds, Laszlo was released as the police agreed that he shot Viglia in self-defense. The fight began because Viglia claimed that he had been insulted because Laszlo’s friend had danced with and courted Viglia's wife when she was in Budapest by herself several months previous. However, his story didn’t hold up. Viglia had recently left his wife for another woman, Kitty Bavin, who was his current dance partner and lover. It seems that Viglia was just drunk and up for a fight rather than having been truly insulted. 


This makes for a great family story (from my perspective), but it’s not the end. 


Just this morning, May 18, I received an unexpected but exciting email from a gentleman in Switzerland who is Viglia’s grandson! He had seen my post on JewishGen about his grandfather and provided me with two wonderful pictures of Viglia, one with Kitty Bevin from the 1920s in full regalia, and one as an older man, along with some details of Viglia’s life. Who would have imagined a family member of Viglia’s would have read my post on JewishGen about an esoteric incident that occurred in 1922 Budapest? What are the odds? I was not even aware that Viglia was Jewish. The information he provided definitely adds much more interest and personality to the story, as well as a wonderful visual. Thank you, Dany Yazbeck and JewishGen!


Looking for info on Milman (only one "L") family from Kishenev Bessarabia pre-1900 #bessarabia


Hi. I am researching my family. My mother's last name was Swerlick. Her mother was Rose Swerlick from Chişinău, Moldova. Her father was Pinchas Milman, whose father was Simcha Milman. Do you have any other information on Simcha? I also believe Simcha's father was Alter Milman and his mother was either Leya or Gitla (we're not sure of this generation). Simcha died around 1904. His son Pinchas (also found as Paul and Phillip) emigrated to America (port of Philadelphia) in 1915. Pinchas (1881-1946) was married to "Jennie" Chaya Shaindel Milman (born Raskofsky) (1883-1931). Paul and Jennie had six children - Maurice "Moe" (born in the US - Born C 1917/18 - 2000), Celia (1905-1993), Fay T (Stisya) (1907-2000), Dora R (Dwoire) (1908-1993), Rose (Ruchel) (1911-2008), Sarah R (born in the USA, 1915-1992).

Rose Milman (my grandmother) married Solomon Swerlick in Philadelphia in 1931 and had one child, Harriet "Janet" Swerlick (B 1932). She married Marvin Rosenthal (1930-2018) in 1950. I was born on 11/29/1960 in Bangor, ME. (Marvin was a Captain in the US Airforce at the time). My brother Jonathan David was also born in Bangor, ME (1962-1987).

Where can I search my EPSTEIN ancestors from Slutsk? #belarus

Jx. Gx.


Hello Geners.

I’m interested in researching my EPSTEIN family from Slutsk and possibly nearby towns. They left Russia between 1899 and 1909 and settled in New York.  Can anyone please recommend sites where I could find information about them such as birth, marriage, and death records? 

Thank you for your assistance.


Jeffrey Gee




Re: Eisenstsdt/ Chait Family search #belarus


Hi, one of my female MOED ancestors married an Isenstadt (Eisenstadt).  Also, my greatgrandfater Jehuda Leib MOED married his 2nd wife Fruma Leah Eisenstadt.  You may email me at <hennynow@...> or call me at (310) 289-8713.  I live in Los Angeles, CA.

Henny Moëd Roth

ViewMate translation request #russia

Susan Weinstein

I am requesting a translation of the Russian text in a multipage passport document.

It is on ViewMate at the following addresses:

Please respond using the online ViewMate form.

Thank you so much,

Susan Weinstein

Translation of the Memorial Book of Gostynin, Poland at reduced price #poland #yizkorbooks

Joel Alpert

Book of List price: $53.95, available from JewishGen for $36

For more information and directions for ordering go to:
Go toward the bottom of the page below "Available at:" for the link to
start your order.

For information on the other 95 other Yizkor book we publish, go to:

Looking for Rivesaltes camp arrest record or other documentation for my grandfather Moses GOLDSTEIN #france #holocaust

MElissa GOuld

Hello!  First, many thanks to this group for your thoughtful responses to my previous post looking for Carmen Kinderfreund.  I connected with her daughter and we had an hour long conversation which filled in some blanks in my late father's story.

Here I am again with another query to put to all you crack researchers:

My grandfather, Moses GOLDSTEIN was deported to Auschwitz from Drancy, France, on 6 November 1942.  He was sent to Drancy from the camp at Rivesaltes, France.  I am looking for any arrest record or other documentation showing his path from his (up until that point) secure residence in Nice to Rivesaltes.  The last letter my father received from him is dated 23 September 1942, only 6 weeks before his very final journey.

I know the USHMM has a list of all deportees from Rivesaltes and perhaps such arrest data would be included but they are closed right now and the list seems only available on microfilm, necessitating a visit, impossible at the moment.

Best wishes to all of you from New York.


Re: Re: Searching for Leah Noah Da Costa #unitedkingdom

Christine Hills

Thank you for trying Martyn, those are the children I have for her, Sarah is my 3x Gt. Grandmother.  I will try some of the churches in the Stepney area for Leah and Soloman's marriage.
Christine Hills Dublin

Re: Abbreviation OT in US Census #usa


Instructions to Enumerators for the 1910 census are on-line.

There appears to be no official meaning to the notes/abbreviations you see.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

On 5/18/2020 3:23 PM, Ralph Baer via wrote:
Does anyone know what the abbreviation “OT” next to a name in the 1910
US census signifies? See, for example, the entry for Harriett HARRIS
in the cropped attachment Harris.jpg. I am guessing that it means “Out
of Town,” because that would explain why she is also listed with her
husband and oldest child as Hattie SCHULTE in the second attachment,
but it is only a guess. Both censuses show her as married four years
with one living child, although her listed ages differ by one year.

Re: Home Town of Harry Dorf #ukraine #galicia #austria-czech

Emily Garber

Fifty years is certainly a long time, but it does not really tell us how intensive and extensive your research has been.

If you have not done so already, you must follow genealogy orthodoxy and search backwards through time for all likely relevant records for both Harry and Aaron. If, as I suspect, Aaron DORF is the one who died in 1935, then his father (as shown on his indexed death certificate on FamilySearch) was Benjamin. Get an actual copy of the death cert. (It may be downloaded from at a Family History Center). I suggest you get a photo of Aaron's gravestone to learn what his father's Hebrew/Yiddish name was. Then, confirm it was the same (or similar) for Harry.

If Harry and/or Aaron naturalized, acquire all their paperwork. If Harry filed a declaration of intention, he may have complete the process. His papers may tell you the port, date and ship on which he arrived in the United States. The same for Aaron. Passenger manifests from 1907 on often provide information on last residence and place of birth.

I have one side of my family from Zaleszczyki, Galicia and Bukovina (mostly Radautz, but also Czernowitz). Vital records from Zaleszczyki have not been found. However, vital records from Czernowitz and Radautz have been indexed and may be found at GeneaSearch -  I noted a marriage record for an Aron Dorf and Gitel Zwick in Radautz in 1901. Without doing research for you, I cannot tell if this is your relative. No birth records for Chaim Dorf were noted in that database.

If your people were from Galicia, then searches on JRI-Poland may be useful. I have found that although I cannot find 19th century records from Zaleszczyki, that many relatives moved on from Zaleszczyki in the 1880s and 1890s to other Galician and Bukovinan communities and, sometimes, Vienna.

Best of luck with your research!

Emily Garber,   Phoenix, AZ   <emilyhgarber@...>

Abbreviation OT in US Census #usa

Ralph Baer

Does anyone know what the abbreviation “OT” next to a name in the 1910 US census signifies? See, for example, the entry for Harriett HARRIS in the cropped attachment Harris.jpg. I am guessing that it means “Out of Town,” because that would explain why she is also listed with her husband and oldest child as Hattie SCHULTE in the second attachment, but it is only a guess. Both censuses show her as married four years with one living child, although her listed ages differ by one year.

I also do not know who the granddaughter Bertha MARKS in the first attachment was. Based solely on that family, she would appear to be Harriett’s daughter, but that cannot be correct. Also note that Harriett’s mother Fannie (Frances) nee LAUCHHEIMER had one child no longer living who could have been Bertha’s mother if that person had not died young because she is also not mentioned in 1900.
Ralph N. Baer        RalphNBaer@...       Washington, DC

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