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How to locate Relatives in the United States? #belarus

Gregory Engels
 

Dear Genners,

I want to share with you a story of my search for ancestors.
I always been interested in the history of our family, and
loved to listen to my grandpas stories about his childhood.
But I never took notes or did some serious genealogical
research.

My Grandparents died now twenty years ago and since then I
grow up in the belief, that we were very small family and had
not much relatives. And, there were a big mystery about my
grand grandfather, who left his Wife and his 7 Children
right at the beginning of the WWI and disappeared (there are
several different versions, what was happened - the most
realistic is, that he left for another woman)

Then, last year my daughter was born and I took this for a
reason to draw an ancestor chart for her. But, being a
perfectionist as I am, I very soon ended up hooked to this
thrilling task.

I interviewed my oldest living relative, which is a brother
of my grandfather, and after some phone calls he told me, that
his mother, my gg mother had 11 Sisters and one brother who
emigrated to America. Now, that was really big news for
everyone in the family - in the USSR it was dangerous to
have relatives abroad, so nobody spoke about it. And my
grand uncle could not remember a single name, besides that
they where called GORDIN and in America some or all must
have changed it to GORDON.

And then, to my surprise I have found one of the sisters
of my grand grand mother - Malke GORDIN in the Ellis island
database (Passenger ID 101458020010), it is very clear
that she is one of them, because in the cell "closest relative
of the country of origin" she put in my grand grand grand father.
And she was picked up by her sister - Feige BALBIRER, who
lived then (1910) in Brooklyn, 668 Rockaway Av.

And there was also a petition for naturalization number written
on it - 2-262136 10-4-39, but to my disappointment that was it -
I could not go any further.

I am visiting USA now on a business trip for the very first time,
since I have no subscription to Ancestry.com, I went to the
local Library here in Cambridge, MA and worked on their
computer with the ancestry.com data. Thanks to the
www.stevenmorse.org I knew where to look - this whole idea
of ED, WD and AD don't come easy to me. So I found the
BALBIRER Family in the 1910 census and discovered, that
Feigas husband's first name was Joseph, and that he had
a brother Abraham and a sister Sarah living with them as
well as Joseph's father Moishe.

In the 1920 Census I found the family has moved around the
Block to the 560 Stone Av, Brooklyn. They also adopted
American first names calling themselves Joe and Fanny, and
they actually owned the house, but were still on mortgage.
But more important - they had three children - two daughters,
Florence and Sophie and a son named Harry. And, there were
Fanny's brother, Issie GORDON living with them!

This was the first time I have saw his first name, it sounds
strange to me, but what do I know?

I found also some information on Joe's brother Abraham -
I found his Ellis Island manifest (he was born in Slawnoje,
only 5 miles away >from where all the sisters were born,
from Slaweni - Senno/Tolochin uezd in Mohilew gubernia)
and found some other sources for him - including a WWI
draft card and a death index - he died 1966 in Detroit, MI.

No trace of Joe and Fanny BALBIRER in the 1930 Census.

How to take it >from here?

How to obtain a Naturalization certificate, if I only know
the number of the petition, but not the name of my aunt?

What would be alternatives for the name Issie?

Have anyone ringing a bell?

Now, this is not a really success story yet - but at least,
I don't have an illusion of living in a very small family
anymore - I have now more than 300 persons in my tree, and I
am still at the very beginning.

Gregory Engels, Frankfurt a.M., Germany,
right now in Cambridge, MA +1-617-494-8479 till the July, 1st.

Researching: ENGELS, ENGELSGELB, ZELIKOV, GORDIN, BALBIRER


Belarus SIG #Belarus How to locate Relatives in the United States? #belarus

Gregory Engels
 

Dear Genners,

I want to share with you a story of my search for ancestors.
I always been interested in the history of our family, and
loved to listen to my grandpas stories about his childhood.
But I never took notes or did some serious genealogical
research.

My Grandparents died now twenty years ago and since then I
grow up in the belief, that we were very small family and had
not much relatives. And, there were a big mystery about my
grand grandfather, who left his Wife and his 7 Children
right at the beginning of the WWI and disappeared (there are
several different versions, what was happened - the most
realistic is, that he left for another woman)

Then, last year my daughter was born and I took this for a
reason to draw an ancestor chart for her. But, being a
perfectionist as I am, I very soon ended up hooked to this
thrilling task.

I interviewed my oldest living relative, which is a brother
of my grandfather, and after some phone calls he told me, that
his mother, my gg mother had 11 Sisters and one brother who
emigrated to America. Now, that was really big news for
everyone in the family - in the USSR it was dangerous to
have relatives abroad, so nobody spoke about it. And my
grand uncle could not remember a single name, besides that
they where called GORDIN and in America some or all must
have changed it to GORDON.

And then, to my surprise I have found one of the sisters
of my grand grand mother - Malke GORDIN in the Ellis island
database (Passenger ID 101458020010), it is very clear
that she is one of them, because in the cell "closest relative
of the country of origin" she put in my grand grand grand father.
And she was picked up by her sister - Feige BALBIRER, who
lived then (1910) in Brooklyn, 668 Rockaway Av.

And there was also a petition for naturalization number written
on it - 2-262136 10-4-39, but to my disappointment that was it -
I could not go any further.

I am visiting USA now on a business trip for the very first time,
since I have no subscription to Ancestry.com, I went to the
local Library here in Cambridge, MA and worked on their
computer with the ancestry.com data. Thanks to the
www.stevenmorse.org I knew where to look - this whole idea
of ED, WD and AD don't come easy to me. So I found the
BALBIRER Family in the 1910 census and discovered, that
Feigas husband's first name was Joseph, and that he had
a brother Abraham and a sister Sarah living with them as
well as Joseph's father Moishe.

In the 1920 Census I found the family has moved around the
Block to the 560 Stone Av, Brooklyn. They also adopted
American first names calling themselves Joe and Fanny, and
they actually owned the house, but were still on mortgage.
But more important - they had three children - two daughters,
Florence and Sophie and a son named Harry. And, there were
Fanny's brother, Issie GORDON living with them!

This was the first time I have saw his first name, it sounds
strange to me, but what do I know?

I found also some information on Joe's brother Abraham -
I found his Ellis Island manifest (he was born in Slawnoje,
only 5 miles away >from where all the sisters were born,
from Slaweni - Senno/Tolochin uezd in Mohilew gubernia)
and found some other sources for him - including a WWI
draft card and a death index - he died 1966 in Detroit, MI.

No trace of Joe and Fanny BALBIRER in the 1930 Census.

How to take it >from here?

How to obtain a Naturalization certificate, if I only know
the number of the petition, but not the name of my aunt?

What would be alternatives for the name Issie?

Have anyone ringing a bell?

Now, this is not a really success story yet - but at least,
I don't have an illusion of living in a very small family
anymore - I have now more than 300 persons in my tree, and I
am still at the very beginning.

Gregory Engels, Frankfurt a.M., Germany,
right now in Cambridge, MA +1-617-494-8479 till the July, 1st.

Researching: ENGELS, ENGELSGELB, ZELIKOV, GORDIN, BALBIRER


translation from Yiddish to English please #general

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

I have posted the following files to viewmate:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8064
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8065
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8066
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8067
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8068


Each one has one or 2 lines of Yiddish that I would like translated
into English.

Please reply directly to me and not the digest.

Thank you Bobby Furst
bobby1st@sprynet.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen translation from Yiddish to English please #general

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

I have posted the following files to viewmate:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8064
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8065
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8066
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8067
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8068


Each one has one or 2 lines of Yiddish that I would like translated
into English.

Please reply directly to me and not the digest.

Thank you Bobby Furst
bobby1st@sprynet.com


Tombstone translation #general

Dayna <zoeys_mom@...>
 

Hi all,

Could those of you who read Hebrew please take a few
minutes to help me translate 4 gravestones? They are:
VM 8069, 70, 71 & 72

Thank you!

Dayna Chalif
CA. USA

MODERATOR NOTE: You may find these photos at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp .
Please send translations privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tombstone translation #general

Dayna <zoeys_mom@...>
 

Hi all,

Could those of you who read Hebrew please take a few
minutes to help me translate 4 gravestones? They are:
VM 8069, 70, 71 & 72

Thank you!

Dayna Chalif
CA. USA

MODERATOR NOTE: You may find these photos at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp .
Please send translations privately.


Yiddish translation please! #general

ms nodrog
 

Dear Jenners,
Please help translate this Yiddish paragraph
about Smorgon, Belarus. Click on this viewmate
site:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8060
My e-mail is msnodrog@yahoo.com
Thank you,
Hope Gordon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yiddish translation please! #general

ms nodrog
 

Dear Jenners,
Please help translate this Yiddish paragraph
about Smorgon, Belarus. Click on this viewmate
site:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8060
My e-mail is msnodrog@yahoo.com
Thank you,
Hope Gordon


Viewmate: Female name in old Czech/German handwriting #general

Mimi Katz <genealogist@...>
 

Would someone, knowledgeable in old handwriting, please try to decipher the
female name (begins with R) on this Viewmate file? It comes >from a Bohemian
Familiant Book. I believe that it is a given name that I am not familiar
with.

To view the file, please click:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

and go to Viewmate file #VM8073

- Please - reply privately!

Thank you,
Mimi Katz, Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate: Female name in old Czech/German handwriting #general

Mimi Katz <genealogist@...>
 

Would someone, knowledgeable in old handwriting, please try to decipher the
female name (begins with R) on this Viewmate file? It comes >from a Bohemian
Familiant Book. I believe that it is a given name that I am not familiar
with.

To view the file, please click:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

and go to Viewmate file #VM8073

- Please - reply privately!

Thank you,
Mimi Katz, Chicago


Kiddush goblet inscription needs translating from Hebrew to English please #general

Sally Goodman <sbgoody@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted a copy of an inscription engraved on a magnificent silver
Kiddush goblet with a lid that has been in our family for more than 100
years. I hope someone will be able to translate it for me as the goblet has
great meaning to my family and me.

This goblet was given to me recently by my 96-year-old cousin who asked me
to be its "keeper" until such time I determine the right person in my family
who will treasure it as much as he has. He selected me >from all the family
because he knew how much it would mean to me and he felt he could trust me
to pass it on.

His (our) gggrandfather (supposedly he was a great Rabbi in Kittsee,
Austria) passed it to our ggrandfather who passed it to it to my cousin's
grandfather who gave it to his father who gave it to him on his 25th
birthday in 1932. I am the first woman to be its "keeper." I am honored
and humbled.

Perhaps the translation will give us clues about our gggf - possibly his
name, the date, how old the goblet is and maybe other clues so I can share
them with my cousin (and anyone else who will listen to this wonderful
story).

I would greatly appreciate any help in translating the document I have
posted on ViewMate #8055. The address is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

The item can be seen at VM8055

Please reply directly to me: sbgoody@usa.net

Thank you so much in advance.

Sally Goodman
Palm Springs, CA
sbgoody@usa.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kiddush goblet inscription needs translating from Hebrew to English please #general

Sally Goodman <sbgoody@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have posted a copy of an inscription engraved on a magnificent silver
Kiddush goblet with a lid that has been in our family for more than 100
years. I hope someone will be able to translate it for me as the goblet has
great meaning to my family and me.

This goblet was given to me recently by my 96-year-old cousin who asked me
to be its "keeper" until such time I determine the right person in my family
who will treasure it as much as he has. He selected me >from all the family
because he knew how much it would mean to me and he felt he could trust me
to pass it on.

His (our) gggrandfather (supposedly he was a great Rabbi in Kittsee,
Austria) passed it to our ggrandfather who passed it to it to my cousin's
grandfather who gave it to his father who gave it to him on his 25th
birthday in 1932. I am the first woman to be its "keeper." I am honored
and humbled.

Perhaps the translation will give us clues about our gggf - possibly his
name, the date, how old the goblet is and maybe other clues so I can share
them with my cousin (and anyone else who will listen to this wonderful
story).

I would greatly appreciate any help in translating the document I have
posted on ViewMate #8055. The address is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

The item can be seen at VM8055

Please reply directly to me: sbgoody@usa.net

Thank you so much in advance.

Sally Goodman
Palm Springs, CA
sbgoody@usa.net


Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha #general

LJTRS@...
 

Hello,

I recently found a long lost cousin, Ruth Kreines Rubinsohn Sommerfeld, who
lives in England. She was transported to England in 1939 as an eleven year
old through the Kindertransport in WWII. Her parents were murdered by the
Nazis. Our family was >from Zelva which was considered part of Lithuania
(although my grandfather always said Poland) and now it is part of Belarus.
We are related through the KREINES and PERELMUTER families in Zelva. Ruth
filled me in a bit about her family story and told me we have a common cousin
that she knows of living in Israel. All we know is that her name is Rachel
and she lives in Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha. This Rachel would be related to
us through the KREINES family. Does anybody want to help me find this woman?
I know I haven't given you much to go on but I would appreciate anyone's
help! Hopefully there aren't too many Rachels on this kibbutz!

Thank you in advance.
Rishy Savin
Miami, FL
Researching KREINES and PERELMUTER in Zelva and Brest Litovsk, Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha #general

LJTRS@...
 

Hello,

I recently found a long lost cousin, Ruth Kreines Rubinsohn Sommerfeld, who
lives in England. She was transported to England in 1939 as an eleven year
old through the Kindertransport in WWII. Her parents were murdered by the
Nazis. Our family was >from Zelva which was considered part of Lithuania
(although my grandfather always said Poland) and now it is part of Belarus.
We are related through the KREINES and PERELMUTER families in Zelva. Ruth
filled me in a bit about her family story and told me we have a common cousin
that she knows of living in Israel. All we know is that her name is Rachel
and she lives in Kibbutz Ma'aleh Ha'Chamisha. This Rachel would be related to
us through the KREINES family. Does anybody want to help me find this woman?
I know I haven't given you much to go on but I would appreciate anyone's
help! Hopefully there aren't too many Rachels on this kibbutz!

Thank you in advance.
Rishy Savin
Miami, FL
Researching KREINES and PERELMUTER in Zelva and Brest Litovsk, Belarus


Citizenship after WWI #galicia

Lancy
 

A while ago I asked about the reasons for most Galitzianers to opt for
Polish rather than Austrian citizenship after WWI.

First of all, I would like to thank all members of this group who
participated in the discussion and who volunteered their thoughts both
within this forum and to me privately.

I read and reread the answers to my query. My impression is that, whether
the result of learning, family lore or speculation, the answer lies in the
combination of all of them.

If Yiddish readers within this group come across periodicals of the time
that may throw further light on the question, please share the knowledge.

Thank you all!!

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Citizenship after WWI #galicia

Lancy
 

A while ago I asked about the reasons for most Galitzianers to opt for
Polish rather than Austrian citizenship after WWI.

First of all, I would like to thank all members of this group who
participated in the discussion and who volunteered their thoughts both
within this forum and to me privately.

I read and reread the answers to my query. My impression is that, whether
the result of learning, family lore or speculation, the answer lies in the
combination of all of them.

If Yiddish readers within this group come across periodicals of the time
that may throw further light on the question, please share the knowledge.

Thank you all!!

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


Hofstadter - Lisko (Galicia) #galicia

Elena Aschkenasi <eraschkenasi@...>
 

Dear Genealogy Seekers,

I am searching for information about my mother's
family >from Lisko, Poland. I can't find Lisko in
Poland. My mother's name was Elka Hofstadter; she was
born in Lisko on March 20, 1907. Her father was Natan,
her mother (to the best of my knowledge) Rosa
Buchenbaum. Her siblings'names were Alter, Elias,
Berta, Regina and Sara. Alter, his wife and children,
were killed in Lisko during a progrom. The other
siblings all went to Uruguay at various times.
Where can I search for information about my mother's
family and ancestry?
How can I obtain her birth certificate? School
diploma? My mother mentioned Przemysl in relation to
schooling. I know that she finished secondary school
in Poland before leaving to join her brother in
Uruguay in the late 1920's.
I remember my mother telling that her family lived on
a piece of land that belonged to a count. What were
the economic and social implications of such an
arrangement?

Where is best to start the search, and what is the
most useful search sequence?

Please respond privately to eraschkenasi@yahoo.com.
Thank you!

Elena Aschkenasi
St. Louis, MO

MODERATOR NOTE: Responses of general interest will be considered for
posting and may be sent to the list in addition to sending them
privately to Elena.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Hofstadter - Lisko (Galicia) #galicia

Elena Aschkenasi <eraschkenasi@...>
 

Dear Genealogy Seekers,

I am searching for information about my mother's
family >from Lisko, Poland. I can't find Lisko in
Poland. My mother's name was Elka Hofstadter; she was
born in Lisko on March 20, 1907. Her father was Natan,
her mother (to the best of my knowledge) Rosa
Buchenbaum. Her siblings'names were Alter, Elias,
Berta, Regina and Sara. Alter, his wife and children,
were killed in Lisko during a progrom. The other
siblings all went to Uruguay at various times.
Where can I search for information about my mother's
family and ancestry?
How can I obtain her birth certificate? School
diploma? My mother mentioned Przemysl in relation to
schooling. I know that she finished secondary school
in Poland before leaving to join her brother in
Uruguay in the late 1920's.
I remember my mother telling that her family lived on
a piece of land that belonged to a count. What were
the economic and social implications of such an
arrangement?

Where is best to start the search, and what is the
most useful search sequence?

Please respond privately to eraschkenasi@yahoo.com.
Thank you!

Elena Aschkenasi
St. Louis, MO

MODERATOR NOTE: Responses of general interest will be considered for
posting and may be sent to the list in addition to sending them
privately to Elena.


searching: WARENHAUPT #general

Judith Friedmann <f.judith@...>
 

To whom it might concern

We are looking for
WARENHAUPT Hania or Hanke
She was left over by a non Jewish family in Podgus Krakau in 1945 she was
picked up by the Waad Hazolo
She was born between 1937-1940
Can you please help us to trace her?

We are looking forward
Best regards

Judith Friedmann
Lugano
email: f.judith@bluewin.ch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching: WARENHAUPT #general

Judith Friedmann <f.judith@...>
 

To whom it might concern

We are looking for
WARENHAUPT Hania or Hanke
She was left over by a non Jewish family in Podgus Krakau in 1945 she was
picked up by the Waad Hazolo
She was born between 1937-1940
Can you please help us to trace her?

We are looking forward
Best regards

Judith Friedmann
Lugano
email: f.judith@bluewin.ch