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Re: Can you read this tombstone? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2006 4:12:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
IsraelP@... writes:

<< I have a tombstone at http://www.pikholz.org/Alliance4.jpg which
I cannot read. The problem is the condition of the stone. It is all in
Hebrew, but that is not my problem. The only thing I can make out is
the date . If anyone can make some sense of it, I'd be pleased.>>

==The moderator had asked us to respond directly to Israel Pickholz. I would
if I could be of any help to him. All I could read of the Hebrew was the
start of the last line, which translates as "Who died on."

==But I think I can give advice that is of help to anyone trying to identify
an inscription, or a text: Play with it in your graphics application. Here
are some possible manipulations that can bring out hidden texts:

* enlarge the image to get finer details
* reduce the size of the image to get a clearer image
* play around with contrast: sometimes a greater contrast helps, at other
times you are served better by less contrast
* play around with color saturation--greater or smaller
* look at a color negative
* convert to black and white
* emphasize one of the colors
* deemphasize one of the colors

==When you've given up hope, pack up for the night. And try again, and
again, and again.

==If you can, go back and rephotograph. When the sun is high or when it is
low. When the sun strikes the stone >from left or >from right. Bring a large
sheet of cardboard with you to cast shade. Have one side of the cardboard be
white or reflective to bring light on the stone >from another angle. Use a flash
from one side or the other, >from top pointing down or bottom pointing up. Get
up close and photograph one small section at a time--again using a shade, an
umbrella or supplementary flash to bring out detail.

==You'd do best with a digital camera because you can examine each shot and
determine if you're in the right direction.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Can you read this tombstone? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 10/12/2006 4:12:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
IsraelP@... writes:

<< I have a tombstone at http://www.pikholz.org/Alliance4.jpg which
I cannot read. The problem is the condition of the stone. It is all in
Hebrew, but that is not my problem. The only thing I can make out is
the date . If anyone can make some sense of it, I'd be pleased.>>

==The moderator had asked us to respond directly to Israel Pickholz. I would
if I could be of any help to him. All I could read of the Hebrew was the
start of the last line, which translates as "Who died on."

==But I think I can give advice that is of help to anyone trying to identify
an inscription, or a text: Play with it in your graphics application. Here
are some possible manipulations that can bring out hidden texts:

* enlarge the image to get finer details
* reduce the size of the image to get a clearer image
* play around with contrast: sometimes a greater contrast helps, at other
times you are served better by less contrast
* play around with color saturation--greater or smaller
* look at a color negative
* convert to black and white
* emphasize one of the colors
* deemphasize one of the colors

==When you've given up hope, pack up for the night. And try again, and
again, and again.

==If you can, go back and rephotograph. When the sun is high or when it is
low. When the sun strikes the stone >from left or >from right. Bring a large
sheet of cardboard with you to cast shade. Have one side of the cardboard be
white or reflective to bring light on the stone >from another angle. Use a flash
from one side or the other, >from top pointing down or bottom pointing up. Get
up close and photograph one small section at a time--again using a shade, an
umbrella or supplementary flash to bring out detail.

==You'd do best with a digital camera because you can examine each shot and
determine if you're in the right direction.

Michael Bernet, New York


Need Hebrew on four headstones translated to English #general

Thomas Lerman
 

I just got four headstones that I would like
translated >from Hebrew to English. If you can help,
please e-mail me privately and I will send you the
images.

Thank you,
Thomas Lerman

Searching:
LERMAN, DOLGOPIAT - Berdichev Ukraine, Cleveland area Ohio, California
REITMAN, BARTEL - Chenavitz (was Austria, now Ukraine), Manhattan area
New York, Cleveland area Ohio, California
KLEIN, GOLDBERG(ER) - Budapest Hungary, New York,
Cleveland area Ohio

MODERATOR NOTE: You may be more likely to get a response if you
post the images to JewishGen' ViewMate service. See
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Hebrew on four headstones translated to English #general

Thomas Lerman
 

I just got four headstones that I would like
translated >from Hebrew to English. If you can help,
please e-mail me privately and I will send you the
images.

Thank you,
Thomas Lerman

Searching:
LERMAN, DOLGOPIAT - Berdichev Ukraine, Cleveland area Ohio, California
REITMAN, BARTEL - Chenavitz (was Austria, now Ukraine), Manhattan area
New York, Cleveland area Ohio, California
KLEIN, GOLDBERG(ER) - Budapest Hungary, New York,
Cleveland area Ohio

MODERATOR NOTE: You may be more likely to get a response if you
post the images to JewishGen' ViewMate service. See
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ for details.


Sigmund LINDAUER of Deming born Baden 1851, #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Part II: Following on my posting on the possible origins of the LINDAUER family
from Deming, New Mexico, I should have mentioned that the JGFF is also
revealing and there are ten relevant researchers. You will find the very
intriguing entry >from someone called Koelemeijer looking for LINDAUER from
Vienna. I had already pointed out that many LINDAUER came >from Kolomyya,
Galicia and a few lived in Vienna!

And this is interesting: >from the Deming Headlight Oct 5th 1901
http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?id=3201

Our energetic citizen, S. LINDAUER, has been remodeling and improving his
handsome residence lately. Mr. LINDAUER is preparing for the arrival of Mrs.
LINDAUER and children who will sail >from Brement [sic], Germany this week.

It sounds as if this family was probably >from Germany and had perhaps been
visiting relatives. The ships' manifests may reveal more.

But here is the proof in a family tree: Sigmund LINDAUER - was born on 23 Dec
1851 in Baden, Germany. He died on 17 Mar 1935 in Deming, NM, USA. ......
http://tinyurl.com/yl59k8

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sigmund LINDAUER of Deming born Baden 1851, #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Part II: Following on my posting on the possible origins of the LINDAUER family
from Deming, New Mexico, I should have mentioned that the JGFF is also
revealing and there are ten relevant researchers. You will find the very
intriguing entry >from someone called Koelemeijer looking for LINDAUER from
Vienna. I had already pointed out that many LINDAUER came >from Kolomyya,
Galicia and a few lived in Vienna!

And this is interesting: >from the Deming Headlight Oct 5th 1901
http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/link.php?id=3201

Our energetic citizen, S. LINDAUER, has been remodeling and improving his
handsome residence lately. Mr. LINDAUER is preparing for the arrival of Mrs.
LINDAUER and children who will sail >from Brement [sic], Germany this week.

It sounds as if this family was probably >from Germany and had perhaps been
visiting relatives. The ships' manifests may reveal more.

But here is the proof in a family tree: Sigmund LINDAUER - was born on 23 Dec
1851 in Baden, Germany. He died on 17 Mar 1935 in Deming, NM, USA. ......
http://tinyurl.com/yl59k8

Celia Male [U.K.]


Polish Resistance Movements WWII #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Following a recent trip to Warsaw, I now find I need to research the
various resistance groups in Poland during W.W.II, especially the Armia Ludowa (AL)
and Gwardia Ludowa (GL) groups. I've done Google searches and other than
finding some articles on Wikipedia I haven't come up with much. Some of the
articles I've found contradict each other. For instance, one says the Gwardia
Ludowa was absorbed by the Armia Krajowa. Another says the GL was a part of
the AL. I am trying to get a better idea of these groups so that I may try
to apply some of the information to my family research.
Can anyone recommend other sources or books for me to look at? I read
English only, so that may limit my resources.

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Koln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN, KUGELMANN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore,
MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ,


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Resistance Movements WWII #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

Following a recent trip to Warsaw, I now find I need to research the
various resistance groups in Poland during W.W.II, especially the Armia Ludowa (AL)
and Gwardia Ludowa (GL) groups. I've done Google searches and other than
finding some articles on Wikipedia I haven't come up with much. Some of the
articles I've found contradict each other. For instance, one says the Gwardia
Ludowa was absorbed by the Armia Krajowa. Another says the GL was a part of
the AL. I am trying to get a better idea of these groups so that I may try
to apply some of the information to my family research.
Can anyone recommend other sources or books for me to look at? I read
English only, so that may limit my resources.

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Koln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN, KUGELMANN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore,
MD), BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ,


Rabbi Henesh SINGER of Los Angeles #general

tedk4713@earthlink.net <tedk4713@...>
 

I am looking for information on Rabbi Henesh SINGER. His wife was my
father's cousin Jocheved KOTZIN (Edith in the US). The came to Los Angeles
from, presumably, Lithuania in the early '20's along with two children,
Joseph and Sophie. Rabbi Singer had a small orthodox shul (I believe my
father called it a shtibel), Congregation Sharei Torah, on Soto st in the
Boyle Heights district of Los Angeles, at least until the late '40's. They
also lived in Boyle Heights, but they may have moved to the Fairfax
district after WWII. Around 1950 he went to Israel where he became a dealer
in and exporter of Judaica. He died in Israel about 1965; his wife
Jocheved died there before 1959. I have reason to believe that his
children, who would have been in their 30's in 1950, stayed in Los Angeles
Sophie married ar Mr LEWIS, and had two children in the '40's or '50's:
Minka and Aharon.

My Israel contacts have no information and there are no local relatives
left who would have known them. Can anyone help?

Ted Kotzin

tedk4713@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rabbi Henesh SINGER of Los Angeles #general

tedk4713@earthlink.net <tedk4713@...>
 

I am looking for information on Rabbi Henesh SINGER. His wife was my
father's cousin Jocheved KOTZIN (Edith in the US). The came to Los Angeles
from, presumably, Lithuania in the early '20's along with two children,
Joseph and Sophie. Rabbi Singer had a small orthodox shul (I believe my
father called it a shtibel), Congregation Sharei Torah, on Soto st in the
Boyle Heights district of Los Angeles, at least until the late '40's. They
also lived in Boyle Heights, but they may have moved to the Fairfax
district after WWII. Around 1950 he went to Israel where he became a dealer
in and exporter of Judaica. He died in Israel about 1965; his wife
Jocheved died there before 1959. I have reason to believe that his
children, who would have been in their 30's in 1950, stayed in Los Angeles
Sophie married ar Mr LEWIS, and had two children in the '40's or '50's:
Minka and Aharon.

My Israel contacts have no information and there are no local relatives
left who would have known them. Can anyone help?

Ted Kotzin

tedk4713@...


Specialist Medical Services in Germany that were not available in the UK? #general

Bea <blspabas@...>
 

Firstly, thank you to those who have emailed me about the ancestors of the
SHIEL/SHIELL/SHUEL/SEWELL family, the search continues, and, any other
suggestions or if anyone is thinking of emailing me please do!

Since my last email about my great grandfather Luis SHIEL going to Germany
and never being heard of again - I have now discovered he may have left the
UK (either Leeds or London) and headed to Germany earlier than I thought, in
or around 1904 or 1905, looking for treatment for TB. He may have attempted
to go to Berlin.

The questions tonight are:

1 - why did he choose to go 'there' - what specialist medical services did
Germany/Berlin have that the UK didn't? Did he get the idea to go there
from a possible many other UK residents suffering >from TB going to Germany?
2 - Was there a particular Jewish hospital or private clinic or specialist
or doctor that/whom would have been well known, known about in the UK, and
highly regarded there? How can I find out about this?

3 - Leaving the UK in 1904-1905, would there be/have normally been any
records made in the UK of the destination the person was going to? Where
would any such records be now?

4 - I'm not that hot on the history front, so, can anybody tell me, what was
the political and religious/anti-semitic situation at that time in Germany
like; were UK residents/Jews at risk of being murdered for such reasons at
the start of the 20th century?

Any theories or details about my 3 questions would be very helpful, thank
you.

Betty Shiel (UK)

searching for descendants of Myer SHIEL/SHIELL/SHUEL/SEWELL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Specialist Medical Services in Germany that were not available in the UK? #general

Bea <blspabas@...>
 

Firstly, thank you to those who have emailed me about the ancestors of the
SHIEL/SHIELL/SHUEL/SEWELL family, the search continues, and, any other
suggestions or if anyone is thinking of emailing me please do!

Since my last email about my great grandfather Luis SHIEL going to Germany
and never being heard of again - I have now discovered he may have left the
UK (either Leeds or London) and headed to Germany earlier than I thought, in
or around 1904 or 1905, looking for treatment for TB. He may have attempted
to go to Berlin.

The questions tonight are:

1 - why did he choose to go 'there' - what specialist medical services did
Germany/Berlin have that the UK didn't? Did he get the idea to go there
from a possible many other UK residents suffering >from TB going to Germany?
2 - Was there a particular Jewish hospital or private clinic or specialist
or doctor that/whom would have been well known, known about in the UK, and
highly regarded there? How can I find out about this?

3 - Leaving the UK in 1904-1905, would there be/have normally been any
records made in the UK of the destination the person was going to? Where
would any such records be now?

4 - I'm not that hot on the history front, so, can anybody tell me, what was
the political and religious/anti-semitic situation at that time in Germany
like; were UK residents/Jews at risk of being murdered for such reasons at
the start of the 20th century?

Any theories or details about my 3 questions would be very helpful, thank
you.

Betty Shiel (UK)

searching for descendants of Myer SHIEL/SHIELL/SHUEL/SEWELL


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Re: ytandv digest: October 11, 2006 #yiddish

natrab@...
 

The "Unususal Comedian" was the title under which my Great Uncle Henry FREY was
known.
He was born in Nowy Sacz (about Feb.1870) and died in Richmond Hill, Long
Island, N. Y. on Aug. 8, 1928, survived by his wife Annie and only son,
Maurice.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

You may respond privately to:

Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
HELLERs - Krakow


Re: ytandv digest: October 11, 2006 #yiddish

natrab@...
 

The "Unususal Comedian" was the title under which my Great Uncle Henry FREY was
known.
He was born in Nowy Sacz (about Feb.1870) and died in Richmond Hill, Long
Island, N. Y. on Aug. 8, 1928, survived by his wife Annie and only son,
Maurice.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

You may respond privately to:

Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
HELLERs - Krakow


JGSGB London 13th Annual Conference #general

Lorna Kay <chairman@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's 13th Annual Conference
will take place on Sunday, 29th October at 33 Seymour Place, London W1.
For the full programme of speakers and the timings see our website
Members and non-members welcome to this full day event.

www.jgsgb.org.uk

where you can register on line if you have not already done so. Because
of the excellent programme, 115 people have already booked their places so
don't miss out! The updated information is that in addition to the five
speakers, the following exhibitors will also be attending:

The National Maritime Museum, with a very large plan of an actual immigrant ship
Ancestry.co.uk, with internet access to their databases
The Jewish Chronicle, with internet access to their databases
London Metropolitan Archives, with lots of information and people on hand to
answer your questions
The Society of Genealogists, answering questions
HarperCollins - publishers of the Who Do You Think You Are? books, at
heavily discounted prices
David Waterman of I Waterman (Box Makers) Ltd - with a selection of his
wonderful Family History Box Sets and Wedding Box Sets

We are negotiating with other exhibitors, and this is our biggest and best
conference yet.

E-mail me if you need further information, or check out our website.

Best regards

Lorna Kay
Chairman
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSGB London 13th Annual Conference #general

Lorna Kay <chairman@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's 13th Annual Conference
will take place on Sunday, 29th October at 33 Seymour Place, London W1.
For the full programme of speakers and the timings see our website
Members and non-members welcome to this full day event.

www.jgsgb.org.uk

where you can register on line if you have not already done so. Because
of the excellent programme, 115 people have already booked their places so
don't miss out! The updated information is that in addition to the five
speakers, the following exhibitors will also be attending:

The National Maritime Museum, with a very large plan of an actual immigrant ship
Ancestry.co.uk, with internet access to their databases
The Jewish Chronicle, with internet access to their databases
London Metropolitan Archives, with lots of information and people on hand to
answer your questions
The Society of Genealogists, answering questions
HarperCollins - publishers of the Who Do You Think You Are? books, at
heavily discounted prices
David Waterman of I Waterman (Box Makers) Ltd - with a selection of his
wonderful Family History Box Sets and Wedding Box Sets

We are negotiating with other exhibitors, and this is our biggest and best
conference yet.

E-mail me if you need further information, or check out our website.

Best regards

Lorna Kay
Chairman
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain


Re: Searching great uncle: Julius FLATOW or FLATAU or CHMIELEWSKI or MIELEWSKI #general

ellen moshenberg
 

I received lots of replies about the Flatows. I guess I made a mistake
by not mentioning they were >from Lomza in the north east corner of
what today is Poland.
The Flatows that everyone but one has written about seem to originate
from Germany and Warsaw and immigrated early in the 19th century to
the US and UK.
The American ones seem to have gone first to NY then the midwest and
then some back again. I imagine if I could trace the Lomza Flatows
back far enough there may be shared ancestors but so far I cannot even
trace forward!!

There is a Lomza birth certificate >from 1877 maybe my great
grandmother Frejda Flatow. She is also mentioned in my grandparents
replacement marriage license but I am unable to find a marriage, death
certificate for her or birth record for her children or Ellis Island
entry for her.

There is a possible Polish birth certificate for Julius Chmielewski
from 1896 which gives his father as Elias Chmielewski and his mother
as Freda Yudkovna Leibowitz. Could this just be a coincidence that two
two differnet families >from Lomza with such similar names or could
Fredas family just be habitual name changers :) ?

By the way I am also unable to find any death record for Elias. In the
1970s my grandmother told me that he died in NY which no one else
seems to have known.
There was also a younger sibling Avram Chmielewski who disappeared in
Tel Aviv. Very strange.

I will reply personally to everyone who wrote to me. Thanks for your
help and would be interested in any ideas.

Hag samaech.
Ellen

On 10/11/06, ellen moshenberg <ellenmoshenberg@...> wrote:
I am searching decedents of Julius FLATOW who may also have used the
last name FLATAU OR CHMIELEWSKI OR MIELEWSKI. He was born in Lomza,
Poland as Judka CHMIEWLEWSKI around 1896 and died in New York in 1956.
He may have lived briefly in Stawiski, Poland as well.

His mothers name was Freda Flatow and she died in New York around
1908. His father Elias CHMIELEWSKI went back and forth to Poland and
Julius apparently lived with his mothers relatives the FLATOWs in New
York and probably adopted their last name. Note there is a variation
on the spelling of FLATOW and the CHMIELEWSKIs also used MIELEWSKI as
a variation.

His sister, my grandmother, Jenny MIEWLEWSKI Grudzinski, told me that
their father Elias also died in New York although we have not been
able to find any record of that.

I would be delighted to hear >from anyone with any possible connection
to this family.

Hag samaech,

Ellen (Dunn) Moshenberg

searching: FLATOW FLATAU CHMIELEWSKI MIELEWSKI GRUDZINSKI REJMER REIMER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching great uncle: Julius FLATOW or FLATAU or CHMIELEWSKI or MIELEWSKI #general

ellen moshenberg
 

I received lots of replies about the Flatows. I guess I made a mistake
by not mentioning they were >from Lomza in the north east corner of
what today is Poland.
The Flatows that everyone but one has written about seem to originate
from Germany and Warsaw and immigrated early in the 19th century to
the US and UK.
The American ones seem to have gone first to NY then the midwest and
then some back again. I imagine if I could trace the Lomza Flatows
back far enough there may be shared ancestors but so far I cannot even
trace forward!!

There is a Lomza birth certificate >from 1877 maybe my great
grandmother Frejda Flatow. She is also mentioned in my grandparents
replacement marriage license but I am unable to find a marriage, death
certificate for her or birth record for her children or Ellis Island
entry for her.

There is a possible Polish birth certificate for Julius Chmielewski
from 1896 which gives his father as Elias Chmielewski and his mother
as Freda Yudkovna Leibowitz. Could this just be a coincidence that two
two differnet families >from Lomza with such similar names or could
Fredas family just be habitual name changers :) ?

By the way I am also unable to find any death record for Elias. In the
1970s my grandmother told me that he died in NY which no one else
seems to have known.
There was also a younger sibling Avram Chmielewski who disappeared in
Tel Aviv. Very strange.

I will reply personally to everyone who wrote to me. Thanks for your
help and would be interested in any ideas.

Hag samaech.
Ellen

On 10/11/06, ellen moshenberg <ellenmoshenberg@...> wrote:
I am searching decedents of Julius FLATOW who may also have used the
last name FLATAU OR CHMIELEWSKI OR MIELEWSKI. He was born in Lomza,
Poland as Judka CHMIEWLEWSKI around 1896 and died in New York in 1956.
He may have lived briefly in Stawiski, Poland as well.

His mothers name was Freda Flatow and she died in New York around
1908. His father Elias CHMIELEWSKI went back and forth to Poland and
Julius apparently lived with his mothers relatives the FLATOWs in New
York and probably adopted their last name. Note there is a variation
on the spelling of FLATOW and the CHMIELEWSKIs also used MIELEWSKI as
a variation.

His sister, my grandmother, Jenny MIEWLEWSKI Grudzinski, told me that
their father Elias also died in New York although we have not been
able to find any record of that.

I would be delighted to hear >from anyone with any possible connection
to this family.

Hag samaech,

Ellen (Dunn) Moshenberg

searching: FLATOW FLATAU CHMIELEWSKI MIELEWSKI GRUDZINSKI REJMER REIMER


Re: GOLDEN, a jockey, & LINDAUER of Deming, New Mexico, USA #hungary

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Judy Segal wrote: Lottie (born Carlotta THOMPKINS)... and the man she would
marry eventually helped form the town of Deming, New Mexico. In Deming, one of
Lottie's closest friends was *Helen* LINDAUER, the female head of the town's
Jewish family. This is the reason that I am posting this submission. ROSE has
included some wonderful photographs here, including two of this same family.
The given names of the LINDAUER family of Deming, New Mexico, as provided in
this biography, are *Bertha,* "Sigmund,* *Herman,* *Sam,* *Lillian* and
*Helen,* and the author includes some interview excerpts as well. So, if
anyone is looking for a family named LINDAUER, here's an unexpected place to
search.>

Yes, unexpectedly too, there are LINDAUER in Vienna and they are obviously a
Galician family that suffered a cruel fate. Their name was apparently originally
ZIEGEL{L}AUB or ZIEGENLAUB. All four members of the family were deported to the
Lodz ghetto on 2 Nov 1941. We remember them here today:

Parents: Chaim Isak LINDAUER false ZIEGELLAUB [sic] {dob 17.05.1884}; Marjem
{dob 25.07.1897} and children: Gisela {dob 24.10.1933}; Leo {dob 14.07.1932}.
Chaim Isak was not a poor man, as he had an asset file in Austria [April 1938].

We also see these two Vienna burials:

LINDAUER - ZIEGENLAUB Bruche age 54, died 18.12.1940; LINDAUER Nathan age 64,
died 28.10.1953. Could Nathan have been a survivor?

Checking in jri.pl you find: One LINDAUER in Tarnopol; 2 in Lwow and ***261***
in Stanislawow Wojewodztwa [predominantly in Kolomyja]. And we have a perfect
match here as the only jri-pl ZIEGENLAUB [59] are >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.
If you search for ZIEGEL{L}AUB you find one in Lwow; 5 in Krakow and 56 in
Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

On Yad Vashem you find, sadly, many LINDAUER victims >from Galicia, some also
from Germany and one >from Bukowina. If you check on some of the German victims,
they were born in Kolomyja.

Where did the Deming, New Mexico family come from? US Censuses should reveal
more. I have no idea, but the above research could give you some ideas. This
was not an Austria-Czech family; statistically it appears most were from
Galicia, especially >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: GOLDEN, a jockey, & LINDAUER of Deming, New Mexico, USA #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Judy Segal wrote: Lottie (born Carlotta THOMPKINS)... and the man she would
marry eventually helped form the town of Deming, New Mexico. In Deming, one of
Lottie's closest friends was *Helen* LINDAUER, the female head of the town's
Jewish family. This is the reason that I am posting this submission. ROSE has
included some wonderful photographs here, including two of this same family.
The given names of the LINDAUER family of Deming, New Mexico, as provided in
this biography, are *Bertha,* "Sigmund,* *Herman,* *Sam,* *Lillian* and
*Helen,* and the author includes some interview excerpts as well. So, if
anyone is looking for a family named LINDAUER, here's an unexpected place to
search.>

Yes, unexpectedly too, there are LINDAUER in Vienna and they are obviously a
Galician family that suffered a cruel fate. Their name was apparently originally
ZIEGEL{L}AUB or ZIEGENLAUB. All four members of the family were deported to the
Lodz ghetto on 2 Nov 1941. We remember them here today:

Parents: Chaim Isak LINDAUER false ZIEGELLAUB [sic] {dob 17.05.1884}; Marjem
{dob 25.07.1897} and children: Gisela {dob 24.10.1933}; Leo {dob 14.07.1932}.
Chaim Isak was not a poor man, as he had an asset file in Austria [April 1938].

We also see these two Vienna burials:

LINDAUER - ZIEGENLAUB Bruche age 54, died 18.12.1940; LINDAUER Nathan age 64,
died 28.10.1953. Could Nathan have been a survivor?

Checking in jri.pl you find: One LINDAUER in Tarnopol; 2 in Lwow and ***261***
in Stanislawow Wojewodztwa [predominantly in Kolomyja]. And we have a perfect
match here as the only jri-pl ZIEGENLAUB [59] are >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.
If you search for ZIEGEL{L}AUB you find one in Lwow; 5 in Krakow and 56 in
Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

On Yad Vashem you find, sadly, many LINDAUER victims >from Galicia, some also
from Germany and one >from Bukowina. If you check on some of the German victims,
they were born in Kolomyja.

Where did the Deming, New Mexico family come from? US Censuses should reveal
more. I have no idea, but the above research could give you some ideas. This
was not an Austria-Czech family; statistically it appears most were from
Galicia, especially >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

Celia Male [U.K.]