I am still in hot pursuit of descendants of my ROTHSCHILD family from
Bruck [absorbed into Erlangen], Germany. Thanks to very generous help

from Christof Eberstadt and Gisela Naomi Blume through Johann

Fleischmann, I have some new leads! Hedwig n=E9e ROTHSCHILD b. in F=FCrth
was married to Erich ROSENTHAL, b. in Aschaffenberg, [both in
Germany], and she died in London, England in 1999. Does anyone have
any idea how to proceed further? I am a total novice in anything
dealing with England and I would like to find their descendants and
reunite my family.

Heartfelt thanks for all the help you have given me to date!!! When I

think that I started with my early orphaned grandfather who knew
nothing about his family and have been able to get back to my 5 G gf,

that is nothing short of a miracle [and lots of hard work!].

Martha Lev-Zion University town in Israel <martha@...>

I am still in hot pursuit of descendants of my ROTHSCHILD family from
Bruck [absorbed into Erlangen], Germany. Thanks to very generous help

from Christof Eberstadt and Gisela Naomi Blume through Johann

Fleischmann, I have some new leads! Hedwig n=E9e ROTHSCHILD b. in F=FCrth
was married to Erich ROSENTHAL, b. in Aschaffenberg, [both in
Germany], and she died in London, England in 1999. Does anyone have
any idea how to proceed further? I am a total novice in anything
dealing with England and I would like to find their descendants and
reunite my family.

Heartfelt thanks for all the help you have given me to date!!! When I

think that I started with my early orphaned grandfather who knew
nothing about his family and have been able to get back to my 5 G gf,

that is nothing short of a miracle [and lots of hard work!].

Martha Lev-Zion University town in Israel <martha@...>

I posted onto ViewMate some portions of records of Loewenheim &
Wangenheim burials that were obtained >from the Jewish Cemetery at
Berlin-Weissensee.

I have already had several very helpful replies which have deciphered
most of the critical wording in the four items posted. However, there
are a few sections that are still ambiguous or unclear, and would value
some further opinions.

These are:
VM8715 (Burial Field letters):
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8715
What is the letter at top right ? I have been told both that it is a P
and a T.
The other letters are thought to be P, Z, O and D. Please let me know if
there is any disagreement.

VM8717 (3 images):
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8717
Top image,burial of Itzig LO(E)WENHEIM of Marsiliuststr. 13.
On the line after the Letzte Wohnung...Marsiliusstr. 17. : What is the
letter(s) or abbreviations before the name, which is probably
Lo(e)wenheim.
Does anyone have any idea as to why the name Lo(e)wenheim and "Heymann"
on the following line are listed after the "Letzte Wohnung"? On
another page of the documents there is a list of relatives
("Hinterbliebenen") which does not include anyone living at
Marsiliusstr. 13 or Marsiliustr. 17, or any Heymann.

Bottom image, butial of Sofia WANGENHEIM, wife of Rudolf WANGENHEIM:
What is the first name of the "Besteller" WANGENHEIM, who appears to be
a son of Rudolf & Sofia?

Thank you for any comments or help Regards

Peter Lowe Hertford, England All replies to <Peter.Lowe@...>

I posted onto ViewMate some portions of records of Loewenheim &
Wangenheim burials that were obtained >from the Jewish Cemetery at
Berlin-Weissensee.

I have already had several very helpful replies which have deciphered
most of the critical wording in the four items posted. However, there
are a few sections that are still ambiguous or unclear, and would value
some further opinions.

These are:
VM8715 (Burial Field letters):
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8715
What is the letter at top right ? I have been told both that it is a P
and a T.
The other letters are thought to be P, Z, O and D. Please let me know if
there is any disagreement.

VM8717 (3 images):
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8717
Top image,burial of Itzig LO(E)WENHEIM of Marsiliuststr. 13.
On the line after the Letzte Wohnung...Marsiliusstr. 17. : What is the
letter(s) or abbreviations before the name, which is probably
Lo(e)wenheim.
Does anyone have any idea as to why the name Lo(e)wenheim and "Heymann"
on the following line are listed after the "Letzte Wohnung"? On
another page of the documents there is a list of relatives
("Hinterbliebenen") which does not include anyone living at
Marsiliusstr. 13 or Marsiliustr. 17, or any Heymann.

Bottom image, butial of Sofia WANGENHEIM, wife of Rudolf WANGENHEIM:
What is the first name of the "Besteller" WANGENHEIM, who appears to be
a son of Rudolf & Sofia?

Thank you for any comments or help Regards

Peter Lowe Hertford, England All replies to <Peter.Lowe@...>

The Cypress Hills Cemetery is located at 833 Jamaica Avenue, Brooklyn, NY,
and was the first nonsectarian cemetery in NY. It was founded in 1848, so
would not have burials >from the 1600's. It might have much later burials of
your family.

There is a Hungarian Union Field located at 8299 Cypress Avenue at Cypress
Hills Street, Glendale, NY, which has 5 names only.

You should try using JewishGen resources:

IAJGS Cemetery Project which can be found under Hosted Orgs, Others.

http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/

JOWBR which can be found under Databases, General.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/

Ann Rabinowitz annrab@...

The Cypress Hills Cemetery is located at 833 Jamaica Avenue, Brooklyn, NY,
and was the first nonsectarian cemetery in NY. It was founded in 1848, so
would not have burials >from the 1600's. It might have much later burials of
your family.

There is a Hungarian Union Field located at 8299 Cypress Avenue at Cypress
Hills Street, Glendale, NY, which has 5 names only.

You should try using JewishGen resources:

IAJGS Cemetery Project which can be found under Hosted Orgs, Others.

http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/

JOWBR which can be found under Databases, General.

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/

Ann Rabinowitz annrab@...

A couple of days ago, a man here in Israel wrote to tell me that sixty
years ago he knew a young man named Pikholz, in Riga. The Pikholz
families are >from Galicia, but of course people travelled and especially
after the Holocaust many found themselves in unfamiliar places. But this
is the first I have heard of a Pikholz in Latvia and I haven't a clue how
to investigate further.

I'd appreciate any help or direction that anyone can offer.

Israel Pickholtz
Gush Etzion
Israel.

A couple of days ago, a man here in Israel wrote to tell me that sixty
years ago he knew a young man named Pikholz, in Riga. The Pikholz
families are >from Galicia, but of course people travelled and especially
after the Holocaust many found themselves in unfamiliar places. But this
is the first I have heard of a Pikholz in Latvia and I haven't a clue how
to investigate further.

I'd appreciate any help or direction that anyone can offer.

Israel Pickholtz
Gush Etzion
Israel.

Lois, I highly recommend the book The Rise Of The Jewish Community Of
New York 1654-1860 by Hyman B. Grinstein. The index is not very
complete and consequently I did not find any GRINBERG listed. In any
event, reading about the Jewish community of our first arrived
ancestors is always enlightening.

Martha Lev-Zion, college town, in Israel
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2006/index.html

Lois, I highly recommend the book The Rise Of The Jewish Community Of
New York 1654-1860 by Hyman B. Grinstein. The index is not very
complete and consequently I did not find any GRINBERG listed. In any
event, reading about the Jewish community of our first arrived
ancestors is always enlightening.

Martha Lev-Zion, college town, in Israel
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2006/index.html

Linda:

I agree that you should look in city directories. My "addition" to
this discussion is that many of them are on microfilm, having been
filmed by the National Archives. The entire set, >from 1850 or so to
1930 or so are available in many reference and major city libraries
(as well as National Archives branches), especially those interested
in genealogy. Check in your area for them - that's more effective
than asking a public library to do it for you.

And the range of cities is huge, >from New York to places like Helena, Arkansas!

Jeff Lewy San Francisco, CA USA

Linda:

I agree that you should look in city directories. My "addition" to
this discussion is that many of them are on microfilm, having been
filmed by the National Archives. The entire set, >from 1850 or so to
1930 or so are available in many reference and major city libraries
(as well as National Archives branches), especially those interested
in genealogy. Check in your area for them - that's more effective
than asking a public library to do it for you.

And the range of cities is huge, >from New York to places like Helena, Arkansas!

Jeff Lewy San Francisco, CA USA

For researchers who live in Northern California and didn't have a
chance to hear Daniel Mendelsohn -- author of "The Lost: A Search
for Six of Six Million" -- at the Gesher Galicia luncheon in New
York in August (or those who did, and would like to hear him again)...

Mendelsohn will be speaking at the BJE Jewish Community Library,
1835 Ellis Street, San Francisco, Monday, November 6, 7:30 P.M.
The event is free. There is free parking in the building on Pierce
Street between Ellis and Eddy.

Since the September publication of "The Lost," review after review
has praised the book. For family historians, reading the book
leaves one with envy that Mendelsohn did what many of us have only
dreamed of, and admiration for his dogged persistence in his effort
to uncover the lives of family members previously presumed "lost."

As a young boy, Mendelsohn frequently had the disquieting experience
of walking into a room and hearing his elderly relatives exclaim,
"He looks so much like Shmiel!" Then they would start crying. Shmiel
was Daniel's grandfather's oldest brother, who, with his wife and
four daughters, perished in the Holocaust.

Spurred by the discovery of a cache of desperate letters written to
his grandfather in 1939, Mendelsohn set off for Bolechow, now in
Ukraine, to try to unearth what information he could while witnesses
were still alive to give it.

Mendelsohn's appearance at the Jewish Community Library is
co-sponsored by the San Francisco Bay Area Jewish Genealogical
Society and the Holocaust Center of Northern California.

For more information, you can write the Jewish Community Library at
< library@... >

Judy Baston,
San Francisco, CA

For researchers who live in Northern California and didn't have a
chance to hear Daniel Mendelsohn -- author of "The Lost: A Search
for Six of Six Million" -- at the Gesher Galicia luncheon in New
York in August (or those who did, and would like to hear him again)...

Mendelsohn will be speaking at the BJE Jewish Community Library,
1835 Ellis Street, San Francisco, Monday, November 6, 7:30 P.M.
The event is free. There is free parking in the building on Pierce
Street between Ellis and Eddy.

Since the September publication of "The Lost," review after review
has praised the book. For family historians, reading the book
leaves one with envy that Mendelsohn did what many of us have only
dreamed of, and admiration for his dogged persistence in his effort
to uncover the lives of family members previously presumed "lost."

As a young boy, Mendelsohn frequently had the disquieting experience
of walking into a room and hearing his elderly relatives exclaim,
"He looks so much like Shmiel!" Then they would start crying. Shmiel
was Daniel's grandfather's oldest brother, who, with his wife and
four daughters, perished in the Holocaust.

Spurred by the discovery of a cache of desperate letters written to
his grandfather in 1939, Mendelsohn set off for Bolechow, now in
Ukraine, to try to unearth what information he could while witnesses
were still alive to give it.

Mendelsohn's appearance at the Jewish Community Library is
co-sponsored by the San Francisco Bay Area Jewish Genealogical
Society and the Holocaust Center of Northern California.

For more information, you can write the Jewish Community Library at
< library@... >

Judy Baston,
San Francisco, CA

In a message dated 10/29/2006 ruthpbloom@... wrote:

<< I am looking for descendants or relatives of the ROBINSON family who
emigrated to the US >from London in 1910. >>

Michael Bernet replied:

==I knew a Julie ROBINSON >from Hull, b ca 1930, who attended the Hasmonean
Grammar [Boarding] School in Golders Green, 1944-46

I too remember a Jewish family named Robinson >from my teenage years in Jewish
youth movements in England. So, I would offer to Ruth Bloom the same advice I
just sent to Martha Lev-Zion regarding the Wilner family's British branch!

Judith Romney Wegner

In a message dated 10/29/2006 ruthpbloom@... wrote:

<< I am looking for descendants or relatives of the ROBINSON family who
emigrated to the US >from London in 1910. >>

Michael Bernet replied:

==I knew a Julie ROBINSON >from Hull, b ca 1930, who attended the Hasmonean
Grammar [Boarding] School in Golders Green, 1944-46

I too remember a Jewish family named Robinson >from my teenage years in Jewish
youth movements in England. So, I would offer to Ruth Bloom the same advice I
just sent to Martha Lev-Zion regarding the Wilner family's British branch!

Judith Romney Wegner

Looking through the photo album of my trip to Lithuania three years ago,
I'm reminded of an issue I had meant to follow up on. In the courtyard
of the synagogue at Kleipeda, among many memorial plaques, there is one
to the memory of Max Moses Burstein and his wife, Henriette Lubovski
Burstein. Henriette's dates of birth and death are listed as 1878-1941,
almost identical to those of my grandmother, Henye Lubovski Rochelson.
(My grandmother was killed by Lithuanian fascists when the Nazis
invaded; very likely Henriette Burstein met a similar fate.)

It occurred to me that with the similarities of first name and date of
birth they might have been cousins, although the towns I know of that
are associated with my family are Kaunas, Jurborg, and Viliampole, not
Kleipeda.

If there is anyone on this list who knows of or belongs to the Burstein
family that lived in Kleipeda, I'd be grateful for any information.

With thanks,
Meri-Jane Rochelson
Miami, FL

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.

Looking through the photo album of my trip to Lithuania three years ago,
I'm reminded of an issue I had meant to follow up on. In the courtyard
of the synagogue at Kleipeda, among many memorial plaques, there is one
to the memory of Max Moses Burstein and his wife, Henriette Lubovski
Burstein. Henriette's dates of birth and death are listed as 1878-1941,
almost identical to those of my grandmother, Henye Lubovski Rochelson.
(My grandmother was killed by Lithuanian fascists when the Nazis
invaded; very likely Henriette Burstein met a similar fate.)

It occurred to me that with the similarities of first name and date of
birth they might have been cousins, although the towns I know of that
are associated with my family are Kaunas, Jurborg, and Viliampole, not
Kleipeda.

If there is anyone on this list who knows of or belongs to the Burstein
family that lived in Kleipeda, I'd be grateful for any information.

With thanks,
Meri-Jane Rochelson
Miami, FL

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.

At 11:46 AM +0200 10/29/06, Martha LEV-ZION wrote:

Betty R. WILNER submitted a page of testimony to Yad Vashem for her
father David in 1969. At the time she was living in New York City
10033 on Calbrisis Blvd. She died in 1985. Is there anyone who could
put me in touch with this family and any descendants?

I dimly recall decades ago in England knowing someone called Leslie
Wilner -- either in B'nei Akiva or Jewish Youth Study Groups or some
such organization. So you might want to send your inquiry also to
jgsgb (the British branch of Jewishgen) at <jgsgb-discuss@...>

In general, because so many families have branches that landed up in
England as well as branches that landed up in USA, it is always worth
checking the surname with the jgsgb discussion group.

Judith Romney Wegner

At 11:46 AM +0200 10/29/06, Martha LEV-ZION wrote:

Betty R. WILNER submitted a page of testimony to Yad Vashem for her
father David in 1969. At the time she was living in New York City
10033 on Calbrisis Blvd. She died in 1985. Is there anyone who could
put me in touch with this family and any descendants?

I dimly recall decades ago in England knowing someone called Leslie
Wilner -- either in B'nei Akiva or Jewish Youth Study Groups or some
such organization. So you might want to send your inquiry also to
jgsgb (the British branch of Jewishgen) at <jgsgb-discuss@...>

In general, because so many families have branches that landed up in
England as well as branches that landed up in USA, it is always worth
checking the surname with the jgsgb discussion group.

Judith Romney Wegner