The "Unususal Comedian" was the title under which my Great Uncle Henry FREY was
known.
He was born in Nowy Sacz (about Feb.1870) and died in Richmond Hill, Long
Island, N. Y. on Aug. 8, 1928, survived by his wife Annie and only son,
Maurice.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

You may respond privately to:

Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
HELLERs - Krakow

The "Unususal Comedian" was the title under which my Great Uncle Henry FREY was
known.
He was born in Nowy Sacz (about Feb.1870) and died in Richmond Hill, Long
Island, N. Y. on Aug. 8, 1928, survived by his wife Annie and only son,
Maurice.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

You may respond privately to:

Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
HELLERs - Krakow

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's 13th Annual Conference
will take place on Sunday, 29th October at 33 Seymour Place, London W1.
For the full programme of speakers and the timings see our website
Members and non-members welcome to this full day event.

www.jgsgb.org.uk

where you can register on line if you have not already done so. Because
of the excellent programme, 115 people have already booked their places so
don't miss out! The updated information is that in addition to the five
speakers, the following exhibitors will also be attending:

The National Maritime Museum, with a very large plan of an actual immigrant ship
Ancestry.co.uk, with internet access to their databases
The Jewish Chronicle, with internet access to their databases
London Metropolitan Archives, with lots of information and people on hand to
answer your questions
The Society of Genealogists, answering questions
HarperCollins - publishers of the Who Do You Think You Are? books, at
heavily discounted prices
David Waterman of I Waterman (Box Makers) Ltd - with a selection of his
wonderful Family History Box Sets and Wedding Box Sets

We are negotiating with other exhibitors, and this is our biggest and best
conference yet.

E-mail me if you need further information, or check out our website.

Best regards

Lorna Kay
Chairman
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's 13th Annual Conference
will take place on Sunday, 29th October at 33 Seymour Place, London W1.
For the full programme of speakers and the timings see our website
Members and non-members welcome to this full day event.

www.jgsgb.org.uk

where you can register on line if you have not already done so. Because
of the excellent programme, 115 people have already booked their places so
don't miss out! The updated information is that in addition to the five
speakers, the following exhibitors will also be attending:

The National Maritime Museum, with a very large plan of an actual immigrant ship
Ancestry.co.uk, with internet access to their databases
The Jewish Chronicle, with internet access to their databases
London Metropolitan Archives, with lots of information and people on hand to
answer your questions
The Society of Genealogists, answering questions
HarperCollins - publishers of the Who Do You Think You Are? books, at
heavily discounted prices
David Waterman of I Waterman (Box Makers) Ltd - with a selection of his
wonderful Family History Box Sets and Wedding Box Sets

We are negotiating with other exhibitors, and this is our biggest and best
conference yet.

E-mail me if you need further information, or check out our website.

Best regards

Lorna Kay
Chairman
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain

I received lots of replies about the Flatows. I guess I made a mistake
by not mentioning they were >from Lomza in the north east corner of
what today is Poland.
The Flatows that everyone but one has written about seem to originate

from Germany and Warsaw and immigrated early in the 19th century to

the US and UK.
The American ones seem to have gone first to NY then the midwest and
then some back again. I imagine if I could trace the Lomza Flatows
back far enough there may be shared ancestors but so far I cannot even
trace forward!!

There is a Lomza birth certificate >from 1877 maybe my great
grandmother Frejda Flatow. She is also mentioned in my grandparents
replacement marriage license but I am unable to find a marriage, death
certificate for her or birth record for her children or Ellis Island
entry for her.

There is a possible Polish birth certificate for Julius Chmielewski

from 1896 which gives his father as Elias Chmielewski and his mother

as Freda Yudkovna Leibowitz. Could this just be a coincidence that two
two differnet families >from Lomza with such similar names or could
Fredas family just be habitual name changers :) ?

By the way I am also unable to find any death record for Elias. In the
1970s my grandmother told me that he died in NY which no one else
seems to have known.
There was also a younger sibling Avram Chmielewski who disappeared in
Tel Aviv. Very strange.

I will reply personally to everyone who wrote to me. Thanks for your
help and would be interested in any ideas.

Hag samaech.
Ellen

On 10/11/06, ellen moshenberg <ellenmoshenberg@...> wrote:

I am searching decedents of Julius FLATOW who may also have used the
last name FLATAU OR CHMIELEWSKI OR MIELEWSKI. He was born in Lomza,
Poland as Judka CHMIEWLEWSKI around 1896 and died in New York in 1956.
He may have lived briefly in Stawiski, Poland as well.

His mothers name was Freda Flatow and she died in New York around
1908. His father Elias CHMIELEWSKI went back and forth to Poland and
Julius apparently lived with his mothers relatives the FLATOWs in New
York and probably adopted their last name. Note there is a variation
on the spelling of FLATOW and the CHMIELEWSKIs also used MIELEWSKI as
a variation.

His sister, my grandmother, Jenny MIEWLEWSKI Grudzinski, told me that
their father Elias also died in New York although we have not been
able to find any record of that.

I would be delighted to hear >from anyone with any possible connection
to this family.

Hag samaech,

Ellen (Dunn) Moshenberg

searching: FLATOW FLATAU CHMIELEWSKI MIELEWSKI GRUDZINSKI REJMER REIMER

I received lots of replies about the Flatows. I guess I made a mistake
by not mentioning they were >from Lomza in the north east corner of
what today is Poland.
The Flatows that everyone but one has written about seem to originate

from Germany and Warsaw and immigrated early in the 19th century to

the US and UK.
The American ones seem to have gone first to NY then the midwest and
then some back again. I imagine if I could trace the Lomza Flatows
back far enough there may be shared ancestors but so far I cannot even
trace forward!!

There is a Lomza birth certificate >from 1877 maybe my great
grandmother Frejda Flatow. She is also mentioned in my grandparents
replacement marriage license but I am unable to find a marriage, death
certificate for her or birth record for her children or Ellis Island
entry for her.

There is a possible Polish birth certificate for Julius Chmielewski

from 1896 which gives his father as Elias Chmielewski and his mother

as Freda Yudkovna Leibowitz. Could this just be a coincidence that two
two differnet families >from Lomza with such similar names or could
Fredas family just be habitual name changers :) ?

By the way I am also unable to find any death record for Elias. In the
1970s my grandmother told me that he died in NY which no one else
seems to have known.
There was also a younger sibling Avram Chmielewski who disappeared in
Tel Aviv. Very strange.

I will reply personally to everyone who wrote to me. Thanks for your
help and would be interested in any ideas.

Hag samaech.
Ellen

On 10/11/06, ellen moshenberg <ellenmoshenberg@...> wrote:

I am searching decedents of Julius FLATOW who may also have used the
last name FLATAU OR CHMIELEWSKI OR MIELEWSKI. He was born in Lomza,
Poland as Judka CHMIEWLEWSKI around 1896 and died in New York in 1956.
He may have lived briefly in Stawiski, Poland as well.

His mothers name was Freda Flatow and she died in New York around
1908. His father Elias CHMIELEWSKI went back and forth to Poland and
Julius apparently lived with his mothers relatives the FLATOWs in New
York and probably adopted their last name. Note there is a variation
on the spelling of FLATOW and the CHMIELEWSKIs also used MIELEWSKI as
a variation.

His sister, my grandmother, Jenny MIEWLEWSKI Grudzinski, told me that
their father Elias also died in New York although we have not been
able to find any record of that.

I would be delighted to hear >from anyone with any possible connection
to this family.

Hag samaech,

Ellen (Dunn) Moshenberg

searching: FLATOW FLATAU CHMIELEWSKI MIELEWSKI GRUDZINSKI REJMER REIMER

Judy Segal wrote: Lottie (born Carlotta THOMPKINS)... and the man she would
marry eventually helped form the town of Deming, New Mexico. In Deming, one of
Lottie's closest friends was *Helen* LINDAUER, the female head of the town's
Jewish family. This is the reason that I am posting this submission. ROSE has
included some wonderful photographs here, including two of this same family.
The given names of the LINDAUER family of Deming, New Mexico, as provided in
this biography, are *Bertha,* "Sigmund,* *Herman,* *Sam,* *Lillian* and
*Helen,* and the author includes some interview excerpts as well. So, if
anyone is looking for a family named LINDAUER, here's an unexpected place to
search.>

Yes, unexpectedly too, there are LINDAUER in Vienna and they are obviously a
Galician family that suffered a cruel fate. Their name was apparently originally
ZIEGEL{L}AUB or ZIEGENLAUB. All four members of the family were deported to the
Lodz ghetto on 2 Nov 1941. We remember them here today:

Parents: Chaim Isak LINDAUER false ZIEGELLAUB [sic] {dob 17.05.1884}; Marjem
{dob 25.07.1897} and children: Gisela {dob 24.10.1933}; Leo {dob 14.07.1932}.
Chaim Isak was not a poor man, as he had an asset file in Austria [April 1938].

We also see these two Vienna burials:

LINDAUER - ZIEGENLAUB Bruche age 54, died 18.12.1940; LINDAUER Nathan age 64,
died 28.10.1953. Could Nathan have been a survivor?

Checking in jri.pl you find: One LINDAUER in Tarnopol; 2 in Lwow and ***261***
in Stanislawow Wojewodztwa [predominantly in Kolomyja]. And we have a perfect
match here as the only jri-pl ZIEGENLAUB [59] are >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.
If you search for ZIEGEL{L}AUB you find one in Lwow; 5 in Krakow and 56 in
Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

On Yad Vashem you find, sadly, many LINDAUER victims >from Galicia, some also

from Germany and one >from Bukowina. If you check on some of the German victims,

they were born in Kolomyja.

Where did the Deming, New Mexico family come from? US Censuses should reveal
more. I have no idea, but the above research could give you some ideas. This
was not an Austria-Czech family; statistically it appears most were from
Galicia, especially >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Judy Segal wrote: Lottie (born Carlotta THOMPKINS)... and the man she would
marry eventually helped form the town of Deming, New Mexico. In Deming, one of
Lottie's closest friends was *Helen* LINDAUER, the female head of the town's
Jewish family. This is the reason that I am posting this submission. ROSE has
included some wonderful photographs here, including two of this same family.
The given names of the LINDAUER family of Deming, New Mexico, as provided in
this biography, are *Bertha,* "Sigmund,* *Herman,* *Sam,* *Lillian* and
*Helen,* and the author includes some interview excerpts as well. So, if
anyone is looking for a family named LINDAUER, here's an unexpected place to
search.>

Yes, unexpectedly too, there are LINDAUER in Vienna and they are obviously a
Galician family that suffered a cruel fate. Their name was apparently originally
ZIEGEL{L}AUB or ZIEGENLAUB. All four members of the family were deported to the
Lodz ghetto on 2 Nov 1941. We remember them here today:

Parents: Chaim Isak LINDAUER false ZIEGELLAUB [sic] {dob 17.05.1884}; Marjem
{dob 25.07.1897} and children: Gisela {dob 24.10.1933}; Leo {dob 14.07.1932}.
Chaim Isak was not a poor man, as he had an asset file in Austria [April 1938].

We also see these two Vienna burials:

LINDAUER - ZIEGENLAUB Bruche age 54, died 18.12.1940; LINDAUER Nathan age 64,
died 28.10.1953. Could Nathan have been a survivor?

Checking in jri.pl you find: One LINDAUER in Tarnopol; 2 in Lwow and ***261***
in Stanislawow Wojewodztwa [predominantly in Kolomyja]. And we have a perfect
match here as the only jri-pl ZIEGENLAUB [59] are >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.
If you search for ZIEGEL{L}AUB you find one in Lwow; 5 in Krakow and 56 in
Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

On Yad Vashem you find, sadly, many LINDAUER victims >from Galicia, some also

from Germany and one >from Bukowina. If you check on some of the German victims,

they were born in Kolomyja.

Where did the Deming, New Mexico family come from? US Censuses should reveal
more. I have no idea, but the above research could give you some ideas. This
was not an Austria-Czech family; statistically it appears most were from
Galicia, especially >from Stanislawow Wojewodztwa.

Celia Male [U.K.]

As suggested by Renee, I am writing what I do know about this family.

My Heller cousins, Frieda/Fritzie DAVIS married to Eugene BRAUN, lived at
*** N. 76th St. Omaha, Nebraska in the in 1950s.

Frieda/Fritzie Davis and her siblings; Helen and Harold, were the children of
Rose HELLER (d.4/23/1969-age 82)
and Adolph Davis (d.9/15/1959-age 72)

Rose HELLER, and her siblings; ChayimYehudah/Hymie and Arthur, were the children
of Sam and Ester HELLER, >from Alsace, France.
Sam Heller was born July/6/1860 to Zvi Heller, (a descendant of the famous
"Tosfos Yom-Tov Lipman Heller") in Krakow, Austria (now Poland) and died
Feb./29/1928 in NY.

Can someone please help me find info on them or their descendants?

You may respond directly!

Thank you, Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
HELLERs - Krakow
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow

As suggested by Renee, I am writing what I do know about this family.

My Heller cousins, Frieda/Fritzie DAVIS married to Eugene BRAUN, lived at
*** N. 76th St. Omaha, Nebraska in the in 1950s.

Frieda/Fritzie Davis and her siblings; Helen and Harold, were the children of
Rose HELLER (d.4/23/1969-age 82)
and Adolph Davis (d.9/15/1959-age 72)

Rose HELLER, and her siblings; ChayimYehudah/Hymie and Arthur, were the children
of Sam and Ester HELLER, >from Alsace, France.
Sam Heller was born July/6/1860 to Zvi Heller, (a descendant of the famous
"Tosfos Yom-Tov Lipman Heller") in Krakow, Austria (now Poland) and died
Feb./29/1928 in NY.

Can someone please help me find info on them or their descendants?

You may respond directly!

Thank you, Rachel Heller Bernstein, Yerushalayim
Researching:
HELLERs - Krakow
FREYs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow
DANZIGERs - Nowy Sacz / maybe Tarnow

The New York Times today has a long article in its Style Section on the
changing desires among immigrants to Americanize their names. Find it at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/fashion/12names.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Michael Bernet, New York

The New York Times today has a long article in its Style Section on the
changing desires among immigrants to Americanize their names. Find it at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/fashion/12names.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Michael Bernet, New York

I have a tombstone at http://www.pikholz.org/Alliance4.jpg which I cannot
read. The problem is the condition of the stone. It is all in Hebrew,
but that is not my problem.

The only thing I can make out is the date 29 February 1892.

If anyone can make some sense of it, I'd be pleased.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

My aged mother-in-law claims that her mother Passa MORGENSTERN came >from the
Shtetl of Stetsiv in Poland, and that more of her family lived in the
near-by town of Berchitov. I have not been able to trace either of these
places.

Gordon Orr
Shlomit
Israel

Researching: OSTROVSKY (Belaya Tserkov, Kiev) GREENBERG (Rozan) MORGANSTERN,
ZEITLIN (Shklov) LIPSKY (Mogilev)

My aged mother-in-law claims that her mother Passa MORGENSTERN came >from the
Shtetl of Stetsiv in Poland, and that more of her family lived in the
near-by town of Berchitov. I have not been able to trace either of these
places.

Gordon Orr
Shlomit
Israel

Researching: OSTROVSKY (Belaya Tserkov, Kiev) GREENBERG (Rozan) MORGANSTERN,
ZEITLIN (Shklov) LIPSKY (Mogilev)

I have a tombstone at http://www.pikholz.org/Alliance4.jpg which I cannot
read. The problem is the condition of the stone. It is all in Hebrew,
but that is not my problem.

The only thing I can make out is the date 29 February 1892.

If anyone can make some sense of it, I'd be pleased.

Israel Pickholtz

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Galicia SIGgers-

I was very excited to find my ggrandfather's record in the 1880
Tarnobrzeg census. Majer WAHL is listed there with his wife, several
children, and another family member. The Jewish Records Indexing site
is wonderful - kudos to the team who put it together. I requested a
copy of the original document, and it came last week. Of course, I
don't read Polish. I understand neither the column headings or the
entries! Any help translating would be appreciated - I've uploaded
the record to Viewmate
(http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8579).
It is VM8579. The JRI Entry is below, to assist in deciphering the handwriting.

Surname Givenname Housenum Born Townborn
WAHL Majer 114 1825 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Gitla 114 1824 Nisko
WAHL Sane 114 1861 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Bruche 114 1866 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Mojesz 114 1855 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Estera Bluma 114 1858 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Sara 114 1810 Tarnobrzeg

Already in your debt-
Shawn Weil
Melrose, MA



WEIL, WAHL, ABRAMOWITZ >from Dzikow (Tarnebrzeg), Poland; NYC
TELLES, TELEFUS, FISHERMAN >from Khotin, Ukraine; Israel; NYC
BIRNBERG, BERENBERG >from Medzhibozh & Khotin, Ukraine; UK; Argentina; NYC
GOLDER, MOSKOWITZ, LIEBOWITZ, FIBISH >from Romania; Brazil; Israel; NYC
BROITMAN, DARISH, ERLIKH >from Ukraine; NYC; GLANTZ, LAMPERT >from Phila., PA;
http://www.tangerinecrafts.com/Personal/genealogy.htm

Galicia SIGgers-

I was very excited to find my ggrandfather's record in the 1880
Tarnobrzeg census. Majer WAHL is listed there with his wife, several
children, and another family member. The Jewish Records Indexing site
is wonderful - kudos to the team who put it together. I requested a
copy of the original document, and it came last week. Of course, I
don't read Polish. I understand neither the column headings or the
entries! Any help translating would be appreciated - I've uploaded
the record to Viewmate
(http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8579).
It is VM8579. The JRI Entry is below, to assist in deciphering the handwriting.

Surname Givenname Housenum Born Townborn
WAHL Majer 114 1825 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Gitla 114 1824 Nisko
WAHL Sane 114 1861 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Bruche 114 1866 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Mojesz 114 1855 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Estera Bluma 114 1858 Tarnobrzeg
WAHL Sara 114 1810 Tarnobrzeg

Already in your debt-
Shawn Weil
Melrose, MA



WEIL, WAHL, ABRAMOWITZ >from Dzikow (Tarnebrzeg), Poland; NYC
TELLES, TELEFUS, FISHERMAN >from Khotin, Ukraine; Israel; NYC
BIRNBERG, BERENBERG >from Medzhibozh & Khotin, Ukraine; UK; Argentina; NYC
GOLDER, MOSKOWITZ, LIEBOWITZ, FIBISH >from Romania; Brazil; Israel; NYC
BROITMAN, DARISH, ERLIKH >from Ukraine; NYC; GLANTZ, LAMPERT >from Phila., PA;
http://www.tangerinecrafts.com/Personal/genealogy.htm

Hi All,

This is simply to keep you informed.

As indicated previously all seven FHL films have been transcribed.

In addition the information >from Szatmar Megye has also been transcribed.

The last 3,000 records or so >from Szatmar have been transcribed and sent to jewishgen and are
awaiting being loaded on the AHD jewishgen database.

We have received two more films >from the Hungarian National ARchives: one for Pozsony Magye and
the other for Csongrad Megye.

Transcription for Pozsony Megye has already started. We could use some more transcribers in this
endeavour. If able and interested, please contact me at my e-maill address.

May I also express my thanks to all who have participated in this project so far.

Robert Neu
1848 Hungarian Jewish Census Coordinator

Dear Genners,

I posted two letters in cursive German on Viewmate. Can someone transcribe them for me?

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8583
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8584

Thanks,
Shaul Sharoni,
Israel

Moderator: Please respond off-list.