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Dress Code for women #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

With reference to the Moderator's note underneath
my previous message.
I am sorry but I cannot post any private messages
without receiving permission >from the people who
replied to my message privately.

However, I did not realise that Dress Code for Women
would not be of Genealogy interest. So please forgive my question,
as I am reading all the details in the book mentioned i.e.
"A History of Jewish Costume" which was published in 1967.

Basically I wanted to know if there was any further
knowledge of this by others, besides what is in the book that
I am reading! I would imagine that the writer of
the book, showing how Jewish dress remained
distinctive in most parts of the world throughout the ages,
together with his study of costume of the Bible by reconciling
traditional beliefs with modern discoveries, starting >from Ur
of the Chaldees more than 4000 years ago, in tracing
dress code during the Assyrian, Persian and Hellenistic
periods, goes on to show how tradition and regional influences
have continued to be significant up to the present day, would
be of interest to Genealogists.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...

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Subject: Dress code for women
From: "Beryl. B" <balden@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:25:58 +0200

In all the formal pictures I have of my ancestors taken
in Eastern Europe, I have noticed that the women are
wearing black.

I am now reading "A History of Jewish Costume" by
Alfred Rubens, in which it is mentioned that "going back
to the Mishnah", each Country in every Century had
the same dress code for women i.e. they were allowed to
only wear black or dark blue (which is regarded as black)
to distinguish them >from non-Jewish women..

Can someone perhaps elaborate on this further?

Thanks
Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately unless your response has a clear
and direct relevance to genealogy. Beryl is encouraged to post a summary
of the responses.

MODERATOR NOTE: My apologies for not being clear about what I meant by "summary"
in my previous note. Our policy indeed does not allow us to post private
responses verbatim. But we have posted many summaries in which the private
responses were paraphrased in a narrative form by the original poster. Some of
these can be found by searching the Archives,
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop
for "summary".


Descendants of HANINA from Paris, France #general

Rony Shaham
 

Dear Genners,
A few days back I posted this on French SIG and a kind respondant there
suggested I would post here as well in case the descendants are elsewhere
than France, so here it is:

I am looking for descendants of Shella and Max HANINA (or actually any
person who might have known or have any knowledge about them) who in 1969
lived in Bd. Montparnasse in Paris. I think both, but at least one of them
was born in Romania (around 1900).
I will very much appreciate any suggestion on how to proceed or any help you
may be able to provide on the matter.

Thank you

Rony Shaham
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dress Code for women #general

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

With reference to the Moderator's note underneath
my previous message.
I am sorry but I cannot post any private messages
without receiving permission >from the people who
replied to my message privately.

However, I did not realise that Dress Code for Women
would not be of Genealogy interest. So please forgive my question,
as I am reading all the details in the book mentioned i.e.
"A History of Jewish Costume" which was published in 1967.

Basically I wanted to know if there was any further
knowledge of this by others, besides what is in the book that
I am reading! I would imagine that the writer of
the book, showing how Jewish dress remained
distinctive in most parts of the world throughout the ages,
together with his study of costume of the Bible by reconciling
traditional beliefs with modern discoveries, starting >from Ur
of the Chaldees more than 4000 years ago, in tracing
dress code during the Assyrian, Persian and Hellenistic
periods, goes on to show how tradition and regional influences
have continued to be significant up to the present day, would
be of interest to Genealogists.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...

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Subject: Dress code for women
From: "Beryl. B" <balden@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:25:58 +0200

In all the formal pictures I have of my ancestors taken
in Eastern Europe, I have noticed that the women are
wearing black.

I am now reading "A History of Jewish Costume" by
Alfred Rubens, in which it is mentioned that "going back
to the Mishnah", each Country in every Century had
the same dress code for women i.e. they were allowed to
only wear black or dark blue (which is regarded as black)
to distinguish them >from non-Jewish women..

Can someone perhaps elaborate on this further?

Thanks
Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately unless your response has a clear
and direct relevance to genealogy. Beryl is encouraged to post a summary
of the responses.

MODERATOR NOTE: My apologies for not being clear about what I meant by "summary"
in my previous note. Our policy indeed does not allow us to post private
responses verbatim. But we have posted many summaries in which the private
responses were paraphrased in a narrative form by the original poster. Some of
these can be found by searching the Archives,
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop
for "summary".


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of HANINA from Paris, France #general

Rony Shaham
 

Dear Genners,
A few days back I posted this on French SIG and a kind respondant there
suggested I would post here as well in case the descendants are elsewhere
than France, so here it is:

I am looking for descendants of Shella and Max HANINA (or actually any
person who might have known or have any knowledge about them) who in 1969
lived in Bd. Montparnasse in Paris. I think both, but at least one of them
was born in Romania (around 1900).
I will very much appreciate any suggestion on how to proceed or any help you
may be able to provide on the matter.

Thank you

Rony Shaham
Israel


Re: EIDB: Immigrants from a given town #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear Genners,

I have been following the thread about compiling a database of people who
came >from a particular town. I find it to be a noble endeavor. However, after
reading Howard Relles' most recent message about going through the alphabet to
"zero" in on a specific town the immigrant might have come >from I have a
question or two.

When Howard Relles posted a message indicating that he was looking for
people who came >from Czortkow, it caught my eye because a paternal Aunt was born
there. She was the youngest of 4 children. Two (2) were born in Tarnopol. One
( 1) was born in Kopyczynce, and the youngest in 1911 in Czortkow. However,
on the passenger manifest it states that the family came >from Tarnopol. This
was in 1921. One can only assume that the family moved back to Tarnopol
sometime after the virth of this child. So, my question is ............

How reliable is this tedious search that Howard is doing in order to compile
a list of people >from a particular town? Is he only looking for those that
came directly >from that town even if not born there; or is he interested in
those who were born there, but did not come directly >from that town before
coming to the USA? What about those who arrived at a port other than NYC?

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@...


Re: help finding living descendant born St. Louis, MO #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

I want to remind everyone of the free site, www.privateeye.com, that
can be reached directly, or through www.stevemorse.org. Using public
databases, this site will show you connections to other people in a
family - parents, siblings, spouses, children, and in-laws - in
specific places. There is no guarantee that people mentioned are still
alive.

If you reach the site through www.stevemorse.org, you usually can get a
birthdate, too.

Zev Griner

Ruth Hyman wrote:

Dear Genners,
I am wondering if anyone has any ideas regarding searching for a
presumably living Gary KRAMER son of Edith and Herman Kramer of St.
Louis-and, yes, this name is now in my JGFF list. I know that his
sister, Rachel was born in 1951 and died in 1976. Their mother, Edith,
was born in 1921, so chances are that Gary was older than Rachel.
According to the parents' obituaries, Gary was married to a woman named
Caleen and they had a daughter Jennifer Edith (obviously named after her
grandmother, who died in 1977).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: EIDB: Immigrants from a given town #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear Genners,

I have been following the thread about compiling a database of people who
came >from a particular town. I find it to be a noble endeavor. However, after
reading Howard Relles' most recent message about going through the alphabet to
"zero" in on a specific town the immigrant might have come >from I have a
question or two.

When Howard Relles posted a message indicating that he was looking for
people who came >from Czortkow, it caught my eye because a paternal Aunt was born
there. She was the youngest of 4 children. Two (2) were born in Tarnopol. One
( 1) was born in Kopyczynce, and the youngest in 1911 in Czortkow. However,
on the passenger manifest it states that the family came >from Tarnopol. This
was in 1921. One can only assume that the family moved back to Tarnopol
sometime after the virth of this child. So, my question is ............

How reliable is this tedious search that Howard is doing in order to compile
a list of people >from a particular town? Is he only looking for those that
came directly >from that town even if not born there; or is he interested in
those who were born there, but did not come directly >from that town before
coming to the USA? What about those who arrived at a port other than NYC?

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: help finding living descendant born St. Louis, MO #general

Zev Griner <zgriner@...>
 

I want to remind everyone of the free site, www.privateeye.com, that
can be reached directly, or through www.stevemorse.org. Using public
databases, this site will show you connections to other people in a
family - parents, siblings, spouses, children, and in-laws - in
specific places. There is no guarantee that people mentioned are still
alive.

If you reach the site through www.stevemorse.org, you usually can get a
birthdate, too.

Zev Griner

Ruth Hyman wrote:

Dear Genners,
I am wondering if anyone has any ideas regarding searching for a
presumably living Gary KRAMER son of Edith and Herman Kramer of St.
Louis-and, yes, this name is now in my JGFF list. I know that his
sister, Rachel was born in 1951 and died in 1976. Their mother, Edith,
was born in 1921, so chances are that Gary was older than Rachel.
According to the parents' obituaries, Gary was married to a woman named
Caleen and they had a daughter Jennifer Edith (obviously named after her
grandmother, who died in 1977).


Shtetl descendants #general

Jean Perkin <jnp123@...>
 

I think a very simple way of finding the descendants of people who lived in
the shtetls is just by a posting to this group asking if there is anyone
around with links to the shtetls of our ancestors. They called them
'luncelite'. Seeing their name may well awaken memories of long ago.

For supposition:-
Zeludok Belarus home of my maternal grandparents
Karlin Latvia home of my paternal grandmother
Shereshevo Belarus home of my paternal grandfather
Khoiniki Belarus home of my husband's paternal grandparents

There must be people out there whose forbears also came >from these shtets


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shtetl descendants #general

Jean Perkin <jnp123@...>
 

I think a very simple way of finding the descendants of people who lived in
the shtetls is just by a posting to this group asking if there is anyone
around with links to the shtetls of our ancestors. They called them
'luncelite'. Seeing their name may well awaken memories of long ago.

For supposition:-
Zeludok Belarus home of my maternal grandparents
Karlin Latvia home of my paternal grandmother
Shereshevo Belarus home of my paternal grandfather
Khoiniki Belarus home of my husband's paternal grandparents

There must be people out there whose forbears also came >from these shtets


JRI-Poland Annopol (Rachov) Indexing Project #general

Michael Goldrich <voicemd2@...>
 

I am pleased to announce that the indices to Jewish vital records of
Annopol not filmed by the LDS (Mormons) have now been indexed by Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland.

The indices are for the birth, marriage and death records of Annopol
from 1869 to 1895 stored in the Sandomierz branch of the Polish State
Archives. These indices will be added to the JRI-Poland database
when funding has been completed.

About the Town

Annopol is located in the Wisla (Vistula) river, 15 km east of
Ozarow, 10 km north of Zawichost, 30 km north of Sanomierz and 65 km
southwest of Lublin

About the 1869-1895 Records

There are more than 2100 entries in the Annopol records for this
period. They include:

Births: 1132
Marriages: 496
Deaths: 521

The most common surnames (with at least 20 entries each) are:

BORENSZTAJN 71
BRAFMAN 82
BRIK 25
CUKER 21
FISZENDLER 21
FISZMAN 32
FRIDMAN 115
GOLDRAJCH 51
GORENFELD 20
GOTLIB 23
GRAFSZTAJN 33
GUBERFELD 20
KAFTAN 22
KALIKSZTAJN 63
KLAJMAN 56
KORENSZTAJN 21
LECHCIER 37
LENGER 30
MANDELKER 22
MANDELKERN 34
MEKLER 39
NIRENBERG 34
NISENTAL 26
PECHMAN 38
PERELMAN 23
PRIZANT 25
ROZENBERG 29
SZER 62
SZIFROWICZ 20
SZIPERMAN 54
SZLAGMAN 25
SZPORN 31
SZTELCNER 30
TAUB 27
TAUBER 49
TAUBLIB 52
WAGMAN 24
WAJNBERG 42
WOLBERG 20
WRONCBERG 63
ZOBERMAN 35
ZYSMAN 46

Contact me a for a full list of surnames

For further information about the Annopol PSA project please contact
me at: VoiceMD2@...

Michael Goldrich, MD
Annopol Town Leader
Sandomierz Archives Project
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JRI-Poland Annopol (Rachov) Indexing Project #general

Michael Goldrich <voicemd2@...>
 

I am pleased to announce that the indices to Jewish vital records of
Annopol not filmed by the LDS (Mormons) have now been indexed by Jewish
Records Indexing - Poland.

The indices are for the birth, marriage and death records of Annopol
from 1869 to 1895 stored in the Sandomierz branch of the Polish State
Archives. These indices will be added to the JRI-Poland database
when funding has been completed.

About the Town

Annopol is located in the Wisla (Vistula) river, 15 km east of
Ozarow, 10 km north of Zawichost, 30 km north of Sanomierz and 65 km
southwest of Lublin

About the 1869-1895 Records

There are more than 2100 entries in the Annopol records for this
period. They include:

Births: 1132
Marriages: 496
Deaths: 521

The most common surnames (with at least 20 entries each) are:

BORENSZTAJN 71
BRAFMAN 82
BRIK 25
CUKER 21
FISZENDLER 21
FISZMAN 32
FRIDMAN 115
GOLDRAJCH 51
GORENFELD 20
GOTLIB 23
GRAFSZTAJN 33
GUBERFELD 20
KAFTAN 22
KALIKSZTAJN 63
KLAJMAN 56
KORENSZTAJN 21
LECHCIER 37
LENGER 30
MANDELKER 22
MANDELKERN 34
MEKLER 39
NIRENBERG 34
NISENTAL 26
PECHMAN 38
PERELMAN 23
PRIZANT 25
ROZENBERG 29
SZER 62
SZIFROWICZ 20
SZIPERMAN 54
SZLAGMAN 25
SZPORN 31
SZTELCNER 30
TAUB 27
TAUBER 49
TAUBLIB 52
WAGMAN 24
WAJNBERG 42
WOLBERG 20
WRONCBERG 63
ZOBERMAN 35
ZYSMAN 46

Contact me a for a full list of surnames

For further information about the Annopol PSA project please contact
me at: VoiceMD2@...

Michael Goldrich, MD
Annopol Town Leader
Sandomierz Archives Project
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland


Gdansk Local Researcher-Zempelburg Records #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

1. I am seeking a competent researcher who can read 19th c. German
handwriting to search for records which may be at AP Gdansk.
Please reply directly to me.

2. My search is for possible records of the Jewish community of Sepolno,
then known as Zempelburg in Kreis Flatow, Westpreussen. In part of the
19th c. this region's administrative capital was in Marienwerder, and
the records of the Landsgericht [Regional Court] of Marienwerder are
held at AP Gdansk.

Zempelburg had a large Jewish population. Almost no community or even
government metrical records of the Jewish population have ever been found.
Only post-1874 general metrical records exist. Court records, I have
found, often contain namelists, lists of Jewish schoolchildren, names of
community members and officers, etc. Also, in some places court records
include documentation of Jewish marriages, wills and estates, etc. [But
usually these are at the Amtsgericht and Kreisgericht level].

Jim Bennett
Haifa


Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Gdansk Local Researcher-Zempelburg Records #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

1. I am seeking a competent researcher who can read 19th c. German
handwriting to search for records which may be at AP Gdansk.
Please reply directly to me.

2. My search is for possible records of the Jewish community of Sepolno,
then known as Zempelburg in Kreis Flatow, Westpreussen. In part of the
19th c. this region's administrative capital was in Marienwerder, and
the records of the Landsgericht [Regional Court] of Marienwerder are
held at AP Gdansk.

Zempelburg had a large Jewish population. Almost no community or even
government metrical records of the Jewish population have ever been found.
Only post-1874 general metrical records exist. Court records, I have
found, often contain namelists, lists of Jewish schoolchildren, names of
community members and officers, etc. Also, in some places court records
include documentation of Jewish marriages, wills and estates, etc. [But
usually these are at the Amtsgericht and Kreisgericht level].

Jim Bennett
Haifa


Help with Translation Please #belarus

Judy Paris <judyparis@...>
 

I have posted several items to View Mate needing translation - I believe
they are all in Yiddish. Would greatly appreciate any help. If you need a
larger version just email me privately and I'll send it right out.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

VM 8589 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8589
VM 8590 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8590
VM 8601 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8601
VM 8602 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8602

Thanks you,
Judy Paris, New York
judyparis@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Help with Translation Please #belarus

Judy Paris <judyparis@...>
 

I have posted several items to View Mate needing translation - I believe
they are all in Yiddish. Would greatly appreciate any help. If you need a
larger version just email me privately and I'll send it right out.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

VM 8589 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8589
VM 8590 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8590
VM 8601 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8601
VM 8602 - http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8602

Thanks you,
Judy Paris, New York
judyparis@...


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Re: ytandv digest: October 09, 2006 #yiddish

mark
 

Searching biography of yiddish writer >from Poland Wajsenberg Icchok Meir
1771-1938.
(Moderators's note - the dates were more likely 1881 -1938).

Wajsenberg
Israel
mark306@...

Moderator's Note: Please respond privately. Some reference to the author WAJSENBERG
(Weisenberg)appears in JewishGen's Sochaczew Yizor book material. It can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Sochaczew/so248.html


Re: ytandv digest: October 09, 2006 #yiddish

mark
 

Searching biography of yiddish writer >from Poland Wajsenberg Icchok Meir
1771-1938.
(Moderators's note - the dates were more likely 1881 -1938).

Wajsenberg
Israel
mark306@...

Moderator's Note: Please respond privately. Some reference to the author WAJSENBERG
(Weisenberg)appears in JewishGen's Sochaczew Yizor book material. It can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Sochaczew/so248.html


ASCHKENES tree from Kostel/Podivin, Moravia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Three days ago, I wrote about the birth certificate I had seen for sale on the
internet dated: 12 March 1863 Location: Kostel, Bezirk Lundenburg [Moravia]

Address: House No. 39 Name of child: Johann NEUMANN
Gender: male - legitimate
Father: Salomon NEUMANN - Handelsmann in Kostel
Mother: Therese NEUMANN - daughter of Wolf LOWY and Johanna nee REDLICH
Witness: Salomon ASCHKENES

see: http://www.jewishgen.org/bohmor/towns/podivin.htm where our NY
Sigger, Frank Eisinger, has listed Salomon ASCHKENES as a Jewish judge in
Kostel 1837-1887. You can also see that the NEUMANN family was very active in
the Chewra Kadischa.

Believe it or not, I received an email, in response, >from a new member of our
SIG Eva Browne >from Sydney, Australia. Welcome to our Sig Eva.

Eva gives me permission to quote: <I had no idea that my paternal great-
grandmother Julie {Julia} NEUMANN had a brother.> Yes, you've guessed it.
Julia NEUMANN has identical parents to Johann and identical maternal
grandparents [Wolf LOWY and Johanna nee REDLICH]. Julia was born
on Friday 14th May 1852 in Kostel and died abt 1926 in Goding/Hodonin Moravia.

Eva has additional information that Salomon NEUMANN married Theresia Lowy
[daughter of Wolf Lowy and Johanna nee REDLICH] on Thursday 24 May 1849.

There seems a big gap between the two siblings - 11 years, but perhaps Johanna
was very young when she married Salomon NEUMANN. I suspect there were other
children we know nothing about.

We have more interesting links as Julia NEUMANN [sister of Johann] married
Leopold NEUSPIEL [born 30 Aug 1844 Eisgrub/Lednice] on 26 May 1872 in Kostel.
They had 12 NEUSPIEL children! Eva has sent me a NEUSPIEL tree going back to
abt 1726 in Eisbrub. It is linked to names TICHY and BRUNNER.

So we have potential for many links here to Siggers:

Remember all along that the maternal grandparents of Johann NEUMANN [born 1863
in Kostel] were Wolf LOWY and Johanna REDLICH - matching those of Sigger Eva's
[>from Sydney] gt-grandmother. Johanna REDLICH would have been born abt
1805-1810 as her daughter Theresia married Wolf LOWY in 1849

1. Sigger Sally Goodman [Ca] has NEUSPIEL links and is definitely linked to
Eva's family. They are in touch.

2. Celia Male [UK] has Clara REDLICH born 1868 Goding/Hodonin marrying a
Baiersdorf in Vienna. Her father was Ignaz REDLICH and mother Maria MONDSCHEIN
No idea if there is a link.

3. Tsvi Sinai [Israel] has REDLICH-FUCHS-JOKL >from Bisenz. Likely to be linked.

4. Hans Weigl [Israel] has an ASCHKENES-REDLICH maternal grandmother from
Kostel Lundenburg. Simon ASCHKENES II. born 16.06.1828 married Elisabeth
REDLICH (1831-1867). She was the daughter of Samuel REDLICH >from Bisenz and
Sara nee LUSTIG >from Eibenschitz. Simon and Elizabeth's daughter *Betty* was
Hans' grandmother: see a partial tree with Hans Weigl listed here, with links
to Randy Schoenberg. The ASCHKENES-REDLICH-LUSTIG links are missing, Randy!


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/WC09/WC09_008.HTM

5. WENGRAF [Krems] tree researched by Wolf-Erich Eckstein has Pauline {nee
ASCHKENES} WENGRAF born: 11.11.1869 Kostel, Lundenburg Goding/Hodonin

The big news is that on the JGFF I located only two ASCHKENES who had never
communicated with each other, although they had been sitting side-by-side in
cyberspace for 2.5 years! I contacted them both and they had complimentary data
and they also link perfectly to Siggers Hans Weigl. Of course, they are
thrilled. They all link to directly to WENGRAF. So we now have a big linked
Moravian ASCHKENES tree - I am still working on it to check out the links. Here
are just some of the names on it:

ASCHKENES [Kostel]; BERGER [Leipnik]; GLUCK [Lundenburg]; GRAF [Kostel?];
HIRSCH [Eisgrub]; JOKL [Bisenz]; LATZER {Nikolsburg]; LOEWY [Kostel]; LUSTIG
[Eibenschitz]; MANDL [Nikolsburg]; NEUMANN [Kostel]; NEUSPIEL [Eisgrub];
NEUSTADL [>from ?]; REDLICH [Bisenz]; SANDOR [Iglau]; WESELY [Kostel]; WEIGL
[Lundenburg]; WENGRAF [Nikolsburg & Krems];

Celia Male [U.K.]

PS: I believe our Israeli JGFFF *ASCHKENES* is directly linked to NEUMANN above
through her LOWY family, where she has a big tree. I have her permission to
quote: <All my LOWY [father Adolf Naftali] moved >from Kostel to Vienna about
1900 and lived in the same neighbourhood. The address of my Grandparents -
Julius & Erna LOWY - was Doblinger Hauptstrasse no.88; there they had a
Delicatessen called Kaffee Rosterei and a wine shop. They lived opposite at the
corner of Gebhardtgasse.>

The oldest of the four LOWY brothers was WILHELM and I have a hunch he is the
son of grandson of Wolf LOWY >from the birth certificate. Everything appears to
fit!


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ASCHKENES tree from Kostel/Podivin, Moravia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Three days ago, I wrote about the birth certificate I had seen for sale on the
internet dated: 12 March 1863 Location: Kostel, Bezirk Lundenburg [Moravia]

Address: House No. 39 Name of child: Johann NEUMANN
Gender: male - legitimate
Father: Salomon NEUMANN - Handelsmann in Kostel
Mother: Therese NEUMANN - daughter of Wolf LOWY and Johanna nee REDLICH
Witness: Salomon ASCHKENES

see: http://www.jewishgen.org/bohmor/towns/podivin.htm where our NY
Sigger, Frank Eisinger, has listed Salomon ASCHKENES as a Jewish judge in
Kostel 1837-1887. You can also see that the NEUMANN family was very active in
the Chewra Kadischa.

Believe it or not, I received an email, in response, >from a new member of our
SIG Eva Browne >from Sydney, Australia. Welcome to our Sig Eva.

Eva gives me permission to quote: <I had no idea that my paternal great-
grandmother Julie {Julia} NEUMANN had a brother.> Yes, you've guessed it.
Julia NEUMANN has identical parents to Johann and identical maternal
grandparents [Wolf LOWY and Johanna nee REDLICH]. Julia was born
on Friday 14th May 1852 in Kostel and died abt 1926 in Goding/Hodonin Moravia.

Eva has additional information that Salomon NEUMANN married Theresia Lowy
[daughter of Wolf Lowy and Johanna nee REDLICH] on Thursday 24 May 1849.

There seems a big gap between the two siblings - 11 years, but perhaps Johanna
was very young when she married Salomon NEUMANN. I suspect there were other
children we know nothing about.

We have more interesting links as Julia NEUMANN [sister of Johann] married
Leopold NEUSPIEL [born 30 Aug 1844 Eisgrub/Lednice] on 26 May 1872 in Kostel.
They had 12 NEUSPIEL children! Eva has sent me a NEUSPIEL tree going back to
abt 1726 in Eisbrub. It is linked to names TICHY and BRUNNER.

So we have potential for many links here to Siggers:

Remember all along that the maternal grandparents of Johann NEUMANN [born 1863
in Kostel] were Wolf LOWY and Johanna REDLICH - matching those of Sigger Eva's
[>from Sydney] gt-grandmother. Johanna REDLICH would have been born abt
1805-1810 as her daughter Theresia married Wolf LOWY in 1849

1. Sigger Sally Goodman [Ca] has NEUSPIEL links and is definitely linked to
Eva's family. They are in touch.

2. Celia Male [UK] has Clara REDLICH born 1868 Goding/Hodonin marrying a
Baiersdorf in Vienna. Her father was Ignaz REDLICH and mother Maria MONDSCHEIN
No idea if there is a link.

3. Tsvi Sinai [Israel] has REDLICH-FUCHS-JOKL >from Bisenz. Likely to be linked.

4. Hans Weigl [Israel] has an ASCHKENES-REDLICH maternal grandmother from
Kostel Lundenburg. Simon ASCHKENES II. born 16.06.1828 married Elisabeth
REDLICH (1831-1867). She was the daughter of Samuel REDLICH >from Bisenz and
Sara nee LUSTIG >from Eibenschitz. Simon and Elizabeth's daughter *Betty* was
Hans' grandmother: see a partial tree with Hans Weigl listed here, with links
to Randy Schoenberg. The ASCHKENES-REDLICH-LUSTIG links are missing, Randy!


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/WC09/WC09_008.HTM

5. WENGRAF [Krems] tree researched by Wolf-Erich Eckstein has Pauline {nee
ASCHKENES} WENGRAF born: 11.11.1869 Kostel, Lundenburg Goding/Hodonin

The big news is that on the JGFF I located only two ASCHKENES who had never
communicated with each other, although they had been sitting side-by-side in
cyberspace for 2.5 years! I contacted them both and they had complimentary data
and they also link perfectly to Siggers Hans Weigl. Of course, they are
thrilled. They all link to directly to WENGRAF. So we now have a big linked
Moravian ASCHKENES tree - I am still working on it to check out the links. Here
are just some of the names on it:

ASCHKENES [Kostel]; BERGER [Leipnik]; GLUCK [Lundenburg]; GRAF [Kostel?];
HIRSCH [Eisgrub]; JOKL [Bisenz]; LATZER {Nikolsburg]; LOEWY [Kostel]; LUSTIG
[Eibenschitz]; MANDL [Nikolsburg]; NEUMANN [Kostel]; NEUSPIEL [Eisgrub];
NEUSTADL [>from ?]; REDLICH [Bisenz]; SANDOR [Iglau]; WESELY [Kostel]; WEIGL
[Lundenburg]; WENGRAF [Nikolsburg & Krems];

Celia Male [U.K.]

PS: I believe our Israeli JGFFF *ASCHKENES* is directly linked to NEUMANN above
through her LOWY family, where she has a big tree. I have her permission to
quote: <All my LOWY [father Adolf Naftali] moved >from Kostel to Vienna about
1900 and lived in the same neighbourhood. The address of my Grandparents -
Julius & Erna LOWY - was Doblinger Hauptstrasse no.88; there they had a
Delicatessen called Kaffee Rosterei and a wine shop. They lived opposite at the
corner of Gebhardtgasse.>

The oldest of the four LOWY brothers was WILHELM and I have a hunch he is the
son of grandson of Wolf LOWY >from the birth certificate. Everything appears to
fit!