In a message dated 18/08/2006 02:27:01 GMT Standard Time,
tulse04-news@... writes:
I have looked at this article and it refers to people going to the local
court house or to other local archives with the original document.

There is only one UK National Archives, one Leo Baeck Archives etc.

I live near the UK Archives and I have visited the Leo Baeck Archives but
given that most people cannot visit these they do have an online catalogue
and the ability to look at what is available there before a visit in order
to make use of a visit - or the ordering of material online is a very
---------------------------------
You have forgotten that in addition to such national archives, in the UK
there are plenty of local archives. Thus each county (or similar administrative
area) has a Records Office and all local authorities have public libraries
which often have collections of records. SImilarly universities have records.
If one is doing a piece of local research these repositories are invaluable.

Harold Pollins
Oxford

In a message dated 18/08/2006 02:27:01 GMT Standard Time,
tulse04-news@... writes:
I have looked at this article and it refers to people going to the local
court house or to other local archives with the original document.

There is only one UK National Archives, one Leo Baeck Archives etc.

I live near the UK Archives and I have visited the Leo Baeck Archives but
given that most people cannot visit these they do have an online catalogue
and the ability to look at what is available there before a visit in order
to make use of a visit - or the ordering of material online is a very
---------------------------------
You have forgotten that in addition to such national archives, in the UK
there are plenty of local archives. Thus each county (or similar administrative
area) has a Records Office and all local authorities have public libraries
which often have collections of records. SImilarly universities have records.
If one is doing a piece of local research these repositories are invaluable.

Harold Pollins
Oxford

Dear Genners, If anyone is going to visit the Cemetery in Vienna with
digital camera and are able I would appreciate it if they could snap a few
stones for me.my grandfather Abraham Jonas Bergler and great grand parents
Dreizel and Chaim Ebenstein.. if someone can I can supply the grave
numbers if someone can. Also I was wondering if its possible that Goldhaber
and Goldapper could be a variation of each other . I have a few
variations of first names and I am curious.
There should be some better variations of the words Thank You that I
could say for all the help I have gotten >from the room.
Evelyn Filippi

Dear Genners, If anyone is going to visit the Cemetery in Vienna with
digital camera and are able I would appreciate it if they could snap a few
stones for me.my grandfather Abraham Jonas Bergler and great grand parents
Dreizel and Chaim Ebenstein.. if someone can I can supply the grave
numbers if someone can. Also I was wondering if its possible that Goldhaber
and Goldapper could be a variation of each other . I have a few
variations of first names and I am curious.
There should be some better variations of the words Thank You that I
could say for all the help I have gotten >from the room.
Evelyn Filippi

Dear Genners,

I recently ordered a microfilm of marriage certificates which I
reviewed at my local Mormon FHC. I was intrigued to see that on the
reverse of the certificate I ordered (where the signatures are) were
hand-written notations of a number and date and another number.

There were two sets of notations on the reverse: 163693, and the date
7/13/45, then the number 1 and then initials. Another set of
notations read: 17-33765, followed by the date 81-6-47, followed by a
1 then initials. The marriage itself took place in January of 1920.

I wound the film on to see if there were more of these and there
were. There was also one with a "stamp" with the words "Order No"
"Date" "Number" and "Photo Op." Has anyone noticed these notations
before and do they know what they mean?

Just in case anyone is thinking that it related to a naturalization
request, the couple were naturalized in 1905 and 1908 respectively
(according to the 1930 US Census).

Additionally, on the one with the "stamp" there was also an oval
stamp, not unlike the one on the front of the certificate which is
the office of the borough, but this one looks like it says in three
lines "Ben. Joe. Cohen" "of Congregation" and "Yehuda Halevy."

Any ideas?

Jeremy G Frankel
ex Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA

Dear Genners,

I recently ordered a microfilm of marriage certificates which I
reviewed at my local Mormon FHC. I was intrigued to see that on the
reverse of the certificate I ordered (where the signatures are) were
hand-written notations of a number and date and another number.

There were two sets of notations on the reverse: 163693, and the date
7/13/45, then the number 1 and then initials. Another set of
notations read: 17-33765, followed by the date 81-6-47, followed by a
1 then initials. The marriage itself took place in January of 1920.

I wound the film on to see if there were more of these and there
were. There was also one with a "stamp" with the words "Order No"
"Date" "Number" and "Photo Op." Has anyone noticed these notations
before and do they know what they mean?

Just in case anyone is thinking that it related to a naturalization
request, the couple were naturalized in 1905 and 1908 respectively
(according to the 1930 US Census).

Additionally, on the one with the "stamp" there was also an oval
stamp, not unlike the one on the front of the certificate which is
the office of the borough, but this one looks like it says in three
lines "Ben. Joe. Cohen" "of Congregation" and "Yehuda Halevy."

Any ideas?

Jeremy G Frankel
ex Edgware, London, England
Berkeley, California, USA

EBIN: Russia -> New York, USA
FRANKEL: Poland -> London, England
GOLD (RATH): Praszka, Poland -> London, England
KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA
LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland -> London, England
PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland -> London, England -> NYC, NY, USA

Does anyone know where I can borrow or whatever 2 books which cannot be
bought and aren't available on Interlibrary Loan? One is J. Mathorez 'Notes
Sur L'Histoire de la Colonie Portugaise de Nantes; the other is in a
magazine, I guess, A Dispersao vol. 2, p. 429-484 by Jose Mendes dos
Remedios - this is >from 1928.

Does anyone know where I can borrow or whatever 2 books which cannot be
bought and aren't available on Interlibrary Loan? One is J. Mathorez 'Notes
Sur L'Histoire de la Colonie Portugaise de Nantes; the other is in a
magazine, I guess, A Dispersao vol. 2, p. 429-484 by Jose Mendes dos
Remedios - this is >from 1928.

Hello JewishGen-ers!

In my random search for a Hungarian artist, I stumbled
upon a site for the Jews of Mako (in southern
Hungary).

The site is in Hungarian;however, there is a section
for Shoah victims which includes the last known
address,parents' names and date of deportation:

http://www.mzsh.hu/soa.html

A couple of listings refer to the Israeli "Book of
Remembrance".

Gizella Czene
Los Angeles, CA

Hello JewishGen-ers!

In my random search for a Hungarian artist, I stumbled
upon a site for the Jews of Mako (in southern
Hungary).

The site is in Hungarian;however, there is a section
for Shoah victims which includes the last known
address,parents' names and date of deportation:

http://www.mzsh.hu/soa.html

A couple of listings refer to the Israeli "Book of
Remembrance".

Gizella Czene
Los Angeles, CA

"Shari Kantrow" wrote

(...)

Additionally, I have heard that it was possible from
someone >from Russian/Poland to claim they were of
German nationality and totally convert the name, for
example, >from Meier PERLA to Peter MEYER. Is this
definitely so in this case, I don't know, but it gives
me hope.

This was not the case. People traveling on the Russian passports, could not
claim German citizenship. Perhaps they have resided for some years in
Germany and have subsequently acquired German nationality.

Does anyone know why someone in 1884 might claim a
different origin on the passenger list (German)or
perhaps why they would leave >from Rotterdam, which
appears to be quite a distance >from Lomza?
Regards,

Lomza was not exactly located on the sea. People were forced to schlep to
the Atlantic sea port to take the steamer to America.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab

"Shari Kantrow" wrote

(...)

Additionally, I have heard that it was possible from
someone >from Russian/Poland to claim they were of
German nationality and totally convert the name, for
example, >from Meier PERLA to Peter MEYER. Is this
definitely so in this case, I don't know, but it gives
me hope.

This was not the case. People traveling on the Russian passports, could not
claim German citizenship. Perhaps they have resided for some years in
Germany and have subsequently acquired German nationality.

Does anyone know why someone in 1884 might claim a
different origin on the passenger list (German)or
perhaps why they would leave >from Rotterdam, which
appears to be quite a distance >from Lomza?
Regards,

Lomza was not exactly located on the sea. People were forced to schlep to
the Atlantic sea port to take the steamer to America.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab

JewishGen Webmaster Warren Blatt spoke at the NY 2006 Conference about
enhancements to the JewishGen web site. He mentioned several upgrades to the
JewishGen "ShtetlSeeker".

This resource is as wonderful as it is poorly named. It could better be
named the " Ancestral Town Finder" since it is a sophisticated tool for
obtaining information about over 500 thousand place names (with 220
thousand listed synonyms and variant spellings to total 734 thousand
place names) in Central and Eastern Europe.

** Not all of these towns ever had Jewish populations.** Some of the
"towns" are major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt and Munich. I can think
of many words to describe places like Munich or Oberammergau
but "Shtetl" would not be one of them.
Be aware that the "ShtetlSeeker" is a fabulous resource for all
German Jewish research in spite of its name.

If you have been confused by the name or just never bothered to use the
town finder go immediately to:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp and then

1. Enter an ancestral town name in the field
2. Select Germany or another country >from the list of 31 central and
eastern European nations
3. If you are pretty sure that you know the correct spelling of the
town's name select
"exact spelling" >from the list of search criteria. ("Search Method" at
bottom of search box).
If you are not sure select the "Not sure - Daitch - Mokotoff Soundex"
option which will produce a long list of town names. ( See below about how
to cut through this clutter.)

Now click "Start the Search".

You will quickly find a screen containing a list of towns in your
selected country or countries.

Data provided in this screen is (>from Left)

Name of the town. (ENHANCED) You can sort the list of towns alphabetically by
clicking on "Town" at the top of this column.

Map Coordinates ( latitude and longitude). (ENHANCED) You can sort
these >from lowest to highest latitude or vice versa by clicking on
the column heading.

Three map links. ** ENHANCED** A click on any of them will open a new
window containing a map of the region and a star on the center of the town
you have requested.
( I like "U" for MultiMap.com and "M" for Mapquest best. "E" for
Expedia.com produces an inferior map.)

The next column tells the country. If you have not restricted your
search to one nation you can sort all the town names by country by clicking
on "Country" at the top of that column.

Distance / Direction >from Reference point is the next column. The
default is presently the nation's capital city - Berlin for Germany. You can
substitute any other town by entering that town's map coordinates in the search
parameters box.
This column tells you the distance in miles ( or if you prefer
Kilometers) >from the reference point.

*** The last (presently) column is a wonderful ENHANCEMENT to the Town
Finder. If you click on the bulls-eye icon in this right hand column you will
receive a list of all towns within 10 miles of your selected town.

The default arrangement is >from closest to farthest >from your town.
You can reorder the list by clicking on the column heads.

**** MAJOR ENHANCEMENT **** Some town names show a JewishGen Tree icon
to the left of the town name. These towns ( in Germany it is presently only
major cities ) have been included in the new JewishGen **** ShtetlMaster ****
database.

ShtetlMaster, in spite of its questionable name, is a great new
feature. As explained by Warren at a NY 2006 session, it provides very useful
information about the city or town.

You need a JewishGen ID number and PIN to access this database.
At present the number of German towns covered by the new ShtetlMaster
database is very limited but GerSIG volunteers and JewishGen web masters
will continue adding to the coverage.

If you have not used the ( sigh ) ShtetlSeeker recently please, give yourself
15 minutes and explore the enhanced features of this great JewishGen tool.

GerSIG members are invited to add to my report if they discover other
newly added features.

There is text on every page of the ShtetlSeeker site that explains
these features and tells you about the various alternative search
and sorting methods offered. H a v e F u n !

John Paul Lowens, NYC, GerSIG Coordinator and Moderator "MOD1"

JewishGen Webmaster Warren Blatt spoke at the NY 2006 Conference about
enhancements to the JewishGen web site. He mentioned several upgrades to the
JewishGen "ShtetlSeeker".

This resource is as wonderful as it is poorly named. It could better be
named the " Ancestral Town Finder" since it is a sophisticated tool for
obtaining information about over 500 thousand place names (with 220
thousand listed synonyms and variant spellings to total 734 thousand
place names) in Central and Eastern Europe.

** Not all of these towns ever had Jewish populations.** Some of the
"towns" are major cities like Berlin, Frankfurt and Munich. I can think
of many words to describe places like Munich or Oberammergau
but "Shtetl" would not be one of them.
Be aware that the "ShtetlSeeker" is a fabulous resource for all
German Jewish research in spite of its name.

If you have been confused by the name or just never bothered to use the
town finder go immediately to:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp and then

1. Enter an ancestral town name in the field
2. Select Germany or another country >from the list of 31 central and
eastern European nations
3. If you are pretty sure that you know the correct spelling of the
town's name select
"exact spelling" >from the list of search criteria. ("Search Method" at
bottom of search box).
If you are not sure select the "Not sure - Daitch - Mokotoff Soundex"
option which will produce a long list of town names. ( See below about how
to cut through this clutter.)

Now click "Start the Search".

You will quickly find a screen containing a list of towns in your
selected country or countries.

Data provided in this screen is (>from Left)

Name of the town. (ENHANCED) You can sort the list of towns alphabetically by
clicking on "Town" at the top of this column.

Map Coordinates ( latitude and longitude). (ENHANCED) You can sort
these >from lowest to highest latitude or vice versa by clicking on
the column heading.

Three map links. ** ENHANCED** A click on any of them will open a new
window containing a map of the region and a star on the center of the town
you have requested.
( I like "U" for MultiMap.com and "M" for Mapquest best. "E" for
Expedia.com produces an inferior map.)

The next column tells the country. If you have not restricted your
search to one nation you can sort all the town names by country by clicking
on "Country" at the top of that column.

Distance / Direction >from Reference point is the next column. The
default is presently the nation's capital city - Berlin for Germany. You can
substitute any other town by entering that town's map coordinates in the search
parameters box.
This column tells you the distance in miles ( or if you prefer
Kilometers) >from the reference point.

*** The last (presently) column is a wonderful ENHANCEMENT to the Town
Finder. If you click on the bulls-eye icon in this right hand column you will
receive a list of all towns within 10 miles of your selected town.

The default arrangement is >from closest to farthest >from your town.
You can reorder the list by clicking on the column heads.

**** MAJOR ENHANCEMENT **** Some town names show a JewishGen Tree icon
to the left of the town name. These towns ( in Germany it is presently only
major cities ) have been included in the new JewishGen **** ShtetlMaster ****
database.

ShtetlMaster, in spite of its questionable name, is a great new
feature. As explained by Warren at a NY 2006 session, it provides very useful
information about the city or town.

You need a JewishGen ID number and PIN to access this database.
At present the number of German towns covered by the new ShtetlMaster
database is very limited but GerSIG volunteers and JewishGen web masters
will continue adding to the coverage.

If you have not used the ( sigh ) ShtetlSeeker recently please, give yourself
15 minutes and explore the enhanced features of this great JewishGen tool.

GerSIG members are invited to add to my report if they discover other
newly added features.

There is text on every page of the ShtetlSeeker site that explains
these features and tells you about the various alternative search
and sorting methods offered. H a v e F u n !

John Paul Lowens, NYC, GerSIG Coordinator and Moderator "MOD1"

Regarding "Soviet Holocaust Records", a message posted by Seligman
on Aug. 16.

I searched the Yad Vashem website for the records of the "Extraordinary
State Commission to Investigate German-Fascist Crimes Committed on Soviet
Territory" but couldn't find them.

Could you please send a link to it?

Thank you.
Nina Kossman
nina@...

Regarding "Soviet Holocaust Records", a message posted by Seligman
on Aug. 16.

I searched the Yad Vashem website for the records of the "Extraordinary
State Commission to Investigate German-Fascist Crimes Committed on Soviet
Territory" but couldn't find them.

Could you please send a link to it?

Thank you.
Nina Kossman
nina@...

In response to Micahel Bernet's request for anyone with a URL or list of
German Archives, here are two that I found quite useful, in particualr
the one >from the University of Marburg Archivschule .

http://www.archivschule.de
[The above took me to a German language site with many options for further
navigation. MOD1]

http://www.h-net.org/~german/research/archives.html#state
[This opened an English language page containing a list of archives
devided by category. MOD1]

Hope this will help someone,

Rosanne Leeson Near San Francisco <rdleeson@...>

In response to Micahel Bernet's request for anyone with a URL or list of
German Archives, here are two that I found quite useful, in particualr
the one >from the University of Marburg Archivschule .

http://www.archivschule.de
[The above took me to a German language site with many options for further
navigation. MOD1]

http://www.h-net.org/~german/research/archives.html#state
[This opened an English language page containing a list of archives
devided by category. MOD1]

Hope this will help someone,

Rosanne Leeson Near San Francisco <rdleeson@...>

I would like to know the Sandra Zolty-GRITZ's family in Pinelawn
in the USA :


SANDRA ZOLTY-GRITZ Date of Birth : 4 March 1947 Date of Death : 23 Dec
1998.
His father : Morris Gritz
His mother : Anna Zolty-GRITZ
Cemetery ID : USA-01117
Cemetery Name : Wellwood Cemetery
Section : First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block47, Section 3)
Cemetery Location
Country: U.S.A
State: NY
City : Pinelawn
Street : Wellwood Avenue
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials: 147
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin : Zolochev, Ukraine
Cemetery Identification
Cemetery ID: USA-01117
Cemetery Name: Wellwood Cemetery
Section: First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block 47, Section 3)
Cemetery Location
Country:U.S.A
State:NY
City : Pinelawn
Street : Wellwood Avenue
GRITZ, Morris (Zolty)
Date of Birth : 13-Dec-1911
Date of Death : 27-Dec-1982
Spouse : Anna
Comments
respect was his middle name/father of Sandra GRITZ ZOLTY
Cemetery Identification
Cemetery ID: USA-01117
Cemetery Name : Wellwood Cemetery
Section: First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block 47, Section
3)
Cemetery Location
Country: U.S.A
State: NY
City : Pinelawn
Street : Wellwood Avenue
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials:147
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin: Zolochev, Ukraine
GRITZ, Anna
(ZOLTY)
Date of Birth : 03-Jun-1912
Date of Death : 03-Sep-1976
Hebrew Name
Chana Chasa b. Yakov Mordechai
Spouse : Morris


Comments
beloved wife, devoted mother and grandmother/mother of Sandra GRITZ ZOLTY
Cemetery ID: USA-01117
Cemetery Name: Wellwood Cemetery
Section: First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block 47, Section 3)
Cemetery Location
Country: USA
State: NY
City: Pinelawn
Street: Wellwood Avenue
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials:147
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin: Zolochev, Ukraine

Best regards,

Franck d'Almeida-Zolty
Saint-Quentin
France
franck.d-almeida@...

I would like to know the Sandra Zolty-GRITZ's family in Pinelawn
in the USA :


SANDRA ZOLTY-GRITZ Date of Birth : 4 March 1947 Date of Death : 23 Dec
1998.
His father : Morris Gritz
His mother : Anna Zolty-GRITZ
Cemetery ID : USA-01117
Cemetery Name : Wellwood Cemetery
Section : First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block47, Section 3)
Cemetery Location
Country: U.S.A
State: NY
City : Pinelawn
Street : Wellwood Avenue
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials: 147
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin : Zolochev, Ukraine
Cemetery Identification
Cemetery ID: USA-01117
Cemetery Name: Wellwood Cemetery
Section: First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block 47, Section 3)
Cemetery Location
Country:U.S.A
State:NY
City : Pinelawn
Street : Wellwood Avenue
GRITZ, Morris (Zolty)
Date of Birth : 13-Dec-1911
Date of Death : 27-Dec-1982
Spouse : Anna
Comments
respect was his middle name/father of Sandra GRITZ ZOLTY
Cemetery Identification
Cemetery ID: USA-01117
Cemetery Name : Wellwood Cemetery
Section: First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block 47, Section
3)
Cemetery Location
Country: U.S.A
State: NY
City : Pinelawn
Street : Wellwood Avenue
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials:147
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin: Zolochev, Ukraine
GRITZ, Anna
(ZOLTY)
Date of Birth : 03-Jun-1912
Date of Death : 03-Sep-1976
Hebrew Name
Chana Chasa b. Yakov Mordechai
Spouse : Morris


Comments
beloved wife, devoted mother and grandmother/mother of Sandra GRITZ ZOLTY
Cemetery ID: USA-01117
Cemetery Name: Wellwood Cemetery
Section: First Zloczower Sick & Benevolent Association (Block 47, Section 3)
Cemetery Location
Country: USA
State: NY
City: Pinelawn
Street: Wellwood Avenue
Cemetery Details
Number of Burials:147
Landsmanshaft Info
Town & Country of origin: Zolochev, Ukraine

Best regards,

Franck d'Almeida-Zolty
Saint-Quentin
France
franck.d-almeida@...