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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photo dating and/or identification (DANNENBERG) - Viewmate VM 8322 #general

MarkJMichaels@...
 

This photo of DANNENBERG family connection is >from New York any assistance
in dating photo >from car or clothing appreciated.

Any chance of identifying occupants would be wonderful

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8322

Many thanks for taking the trouble to look at this. Please respond privately

Mark Michaels
Montgomery Wales
E-mail: markjmichaels@...
Mark J Michaels
Researching MICHAELS, LEEK, ISAACS, PHILLIPS, TELLER, HYAMS, MYERS
BERNSTEIN, GREENBURG, LANG, SCHNEIDERMANN, DANNENBERG, HART


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY death certificate - 1951 #general

Israel P
 

Although I am in NY for the Conference, getting to the records offices
is not on my list of things to do. But if someone is there and has the
time (and inclination) there is something that I am looking for. There
is absolutely no urgency here and I am prepared to assume what it says
there even without the certificate. I do not know the borough.

But the story itself is interesting, so let me tell it.

Friday my son and I were at Beth David Cemetery and quite unintentionally
we stopped in front of a large family stome with a collection of small
stones in front of it. The stone that caught my eye was for Kopel. As
it happens we have a Skalater named Devorah Pikholz bat Haim HaLevi, who
married a man named Kopel with this same surname and went to the US.
They had a son and a daughter but no grandchildren and no one knows
anything further.

So next to this Kopel was Devorah Gitel bat Haim HaLevi and next to her a
married daughter with the inscription "aunt." Not far away was a son
with the inscription "brother." I am prepeared `to invoke
"beyond`reasonable doubt" and record this as our missing couple, but the
woman's 1951 death record, showing her mother's maiden name would
complete the evidence.

Israel Pickholtz
Gush Etzion, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Yiddish Translation Request - Viewmate VM8321 #general

MarkJMichaels@...
 

This faint script is written on the back of a photo in pencil. Help with any
or all of the text much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to look at
this.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8321

Please respond privately

Mark Michaels
Montgomery, Wales
E-mail: markjmichaels@...
Researching MICHAELS, LEEK, ISAACS, PHILLIPS, TELLER, HYAMS, MYERS
BERNSTEIN, GREENBURG, LANG, SCHNEIDERMANN, DANNENBERG, HART


UTASSY and ROHRLICH families #hungary

Ruben Weiser <weiser@...>
 

hi.

I am looking for any family jewish family UTASSY and ROHRLICH living today
in budapest or anywere.

any clues?

thanks
ruben weiser
buenos aires
argentina


Yiddish Translation Request - Viewmate VM8321 #general

MarkJMichaels@...
 

This faint script is written on the back of a photo in pencil. Help with any
or all of the text much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to look at
this.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8321

Please respond privately

Mark Michaels
Montgomery, Wales
E-mail: markjmichaels@...
Researching MICHAELS, LEEK, ISAACS, PHILLIPS, TELLER, HYAMS, MYERS
BERNSTEIN, GREENBURG, LANG, SCHNEIDERMANN, DANNENBERG, HART


Photo dating and/or identification (DANNENBERG) - Viewmate VM 8322 #general

MarkJMichaels@...
 

This photo of DANNENBERG family connection is >from New York any assistance
in dating photo >from car or clothing appreciated.

Any chance of identifying occupants would be wonderful

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8322

Many thanks for taking the trouble to look at this. Please respond privately

Mark Michaels
Montgomery Wales
E-mail: markjmichaels@...
Mark J Michaels
Researching MICHAELS, LEEK, ISAACS, PHILLIPS, TELLER, HYAMS, MYERS
BERNSTEIN, GREENBURG, LANG, SCHNEIDERMANN, DANNENBERG, HART


NY death certificate - 1951 #general

Israel P
 

Although I am in NY for the Conference, getting to the records offices
is not on my list of things to do. But if someone is there and has the
time (and inclination) there is something that I am looking for. There
is absolutely no urgency here and I am prepared to assume what it says
there even without the certificate. I do not know the borough.

But the story itself is interesting, so let me tell it.

Friday my son and I were at Beth David Cemetery and quite unintentionally
we stopped in front of a large family stome with a collection of small
stones in front of it. The stone that caught my eye was for Kopel. As
it happens we have a Skalater named Devorah Pikholz bat Haim HaLevi, who
married a man named Kopel with this same surname and went to the US.
They had a son and a daughter but no grandchildren and no one knows
anything further.

So next to this Kopel was Devorah Gitel bat Haim HaLevi and next to her a
married daughter with the inscription "aunt." Not far away was a son
with the inscription "brother." I am prepeared `to invoke
"beyond`reasonable doubt" and record this as our missing couple, but the
woman's 1951 death record, showing her mother's maiden name would
complete the evidence.

Israel Pickholtz
Gush Etzion, Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary UTASSY and ROHRLICH families #hungary

Ruben Weiser <weiser@...>
 

hi.

I am looking for any family jewish family UTASSY and ROHRLICH living today
in budapest or anywere.

any clues?

thanks
ruben weiser
buenos aires
argentina


Re: h-sig digest: August 09, 2006 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I will be on vacation for two weeks beginning August 14 and will
return to work on August 28. You may leave send e-mail but I will
probably unable to retrieve and respond to messages until I return to
work on August 28.

Vivian Kahn


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: August 09, 2006 #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

I will be on vacation for two weeks beginning August 14 and will
return to work on August 28. You may leave send e-mail but I will
probably unable to retrieve and respond to messages until I return to
work on August 28.

Vivian Kahn


Re: Baia Mare/Nagybanya #hungary

Stephen R. Low <steve.low@...>
 

I was in Baia Mare six weeks ago, visited the Jewish Community office, and
met with its President, Nahman Salic (Salic is the surname). Nahman does not
speak English and relied on a translator. I did not visit either the
synagogue or the cemetery in Baia Mare.

Nahman's son lives in Cambridge, MA and, only two weeks after my visit to
Satu Mare, I was able to visit him and to see Nahman, again, along with his
wife (who does speak English quite well and is a Hungarian speaker). They
were here for a visit. I can't recall whether Nahman speaks Hungarian, he
was not a Baia Mare native, but I'm guessing that he does.

It is my understanding that Nahman's organization is responsible for
maintenance of all cemeteries in Baia Mare county. My interest was in the
cemetery in Seine (Szinervaralja). It's newer section is "not too bad," but
the older section--the one I cared about--was horribly overgrown and in poor
condition. As for the Baia Mare cemetery, I checked my diary and here is
what I wrote: "He (Nahman) did claim that there were no cemetery records,
but also indicated that there is a plan to catalog and translate the
stones." I believe that this comment applied to the Seine cemetery, however.

There are very limited funds available to maintain the Jewish cemeteries in
Romania. I was told that all funds for the Jewish Communities are funneled
through Bucharest and that distribution to the Transylvania region is not
generous. As the Transylvanian Jewish population continues to shrink, I
suspect that this will only worsen.

The cemetery situation is very sad, but, frankly, "natural." It's one
repeated around the world, throughout history. Once the local Jews are gone
(in this case), the only people interested in these sites are those of us
who still feel a connection to the "old country" of our
parents/grandparents. After the passing of one or two generations, that
interest will wane, as well. In reality, these cemeteries are now
"archealogical sites in the making" for it's hard to believe that either
Jewish or Romanian goverment money will be available to care for the dead,
as long as the living have needs not fully met. Eventually, even the
locations of many of these cemeteries will be forgotten--some of the
cemeteries I visited are not visible >from any street and only the caretaker
or, perhaps, an old-timer knows where they are. Here, in Massachusetts, at
least once or twice a year there's a story in the papers about the discovery
of an old burial ground that had been used in the 1700s or 1800s but
forgotten, only to be discovered when excavating for a new building. I guess
this is part of what Walt Disney's organization calls, "the circle of life."

My advice: travel to these regions as quickly as possible. While there may
be short-term improvements in the maintenance of these synagogues and
cemeteries (this was the case in both Satu Mare and Seine--their cemeteries
were being cleaned up during my brief visit!), the long-term trend, is not
favorable. One thing that was especially sad, was seeing old prayerbooks,
moldy and rotting, stacked up in two or three of the under-utilized
synagogues I visited. Unlike the cemeteries, these could be more easily
saved and conserved, but there seems to be little interest or resources to
do so, and I suspect that it is too late.

I had the sense that the Jewish Community in the Romania I visited really
has just two missions: facilitate aliyah to Israel for the "young" and care
for the aged until they are dead. As with the Yiddish language, the "job" is
it's almost finished. It's very sad. Except, perhaps, in the largest cities,
these countries have been "cleansed."

Regards,

Steve Low
Lincoln, MA

Researching:

LOW >from Satu Mare/Seini, Romania (i.e., Szatmar/Szinervaraljá, Hungary) to
New York

SCHWARTZ >from Halmeu, Romania (I.e., Halmi, Hungary) to New York

WITTNER >from Iasi, Romania to New York; Manchester, England; Australia

LANDO/LANDA/LANDAU >from Kiliya, Ukraine and Kishinev, Moldova to New York
and
Palestine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael perl
To: H-SIG
Sent: 08/10/2006 11:47 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Baia Mare/Nagybanya


Siggers,

I know some relatives (ggf and ggm) are buried in Nagybanya/Baia Mare and
was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in either visiting
this cemetery or obtaining its records.
What condition is it in? Are the cemetery records still extant?

Many of the Jewish vital records for this town have been destroyed so I am
attempting another angle.


Your help would be appreciated.

Michael Perl

New York


"Tracing the Tribe" blog #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message is posted on behalf of the NY Conference Committee.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Schelly Talalay Dardashti is now writing a Jewish genealogy blog called
"Tracing the Tribe."

Its start date was selected to lead up to and cover the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy.

Schelly will interview speakers and conference attendees, and report on
events, innovations and resources.

Find it at http://tracingthetribe.blogspot.com.

Schelly was requested to begin this new venture by JTA (Jewish
Telegraphic
Agency), www.jta.org, and it is the first blog to be associated with the
news agency.

For more information on the Conference, visit www.jgsny2006.org.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair
<glory1@...>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Baia Mare/Nagybanya #hungary

Stephen R. Low <steve.low@...>
 

I was in Baia Mare six weeks ago, visited the Jewish Community office, and
met with its President, Nahman Salic (Salic is the surname). Nahman does not
speak English and relied on a translator. I did not visit either the
synagogue or the cemetery in Baia Mare.

Nahman's son lives in Cambridge, MA and, only two weeks after my visit to
Satu Mare, I was able to visit him and to see Nahman, again, along with his
wife (who does speak English quite well and is a Hungarian speaker). They
were here for a visit. I can't recall whether Nahman speaks Hungarian, he
was not a Baia Mare native, but I'm guessing that he does.

It is my understanding that Nahman's organization is responsible for
maintenance of all cemeteries in Baia Mare county. My interest was in the
cemetery in Seine (Szinervaralja). It's newer section is "not too bad," but
the older section--the one I cared about--was horribly overgrown and in poor
condition. As for the Baia Mare cemetery, I checked my diary and here is
what I wrote: "He (Nahman) did claim that there were no cemetery records,
but also indicated that there is a plan to catalog and translate the
stones." I believe that this comment applied to the Seine cemetery, however.

There are very limited funds available to maintain the Jewish cemeteries in
Romania. I was told that all funds for the Jewish Communities are funneled
through Bucharest and that distribution to the Transylvania region is not
generous. As the Transylvanian Jewish population continues to shrink, I
suspect that this will only worsen.

The cemetery situation is very sad, but, frankly, "natural." It's one
repeated around the world, throughout history. Once the local Jews are gone
(in this case), the only people interested in these sites are those of us
who still feel a connection to the "old country" of our
parents/grandparents. After the passing of one or two generations, that
interest will wane, as well. In reality, these cemeteries are now
"archealogical sites in the making" for it's hard to believe that either
Jewish or Romanian goverment money will be available to care for the dead,
as long as the living have needs not fully met. Eventually, even the
locations of many of these cemeteries will be forgotten--some of the
cemeteries I visited are not visible >from any street and only the caretaker
or, perhaps, an old-timer knows where they are. Here, in Massachusetts, at
least once or twice a year there's a story in the papers about the discovery
of an old burial ground that had been used in the 1700s or 1800s but
forgotten, only to be discovered when excavating for a new building. I guess
this is part of what Walt Disney's organization calls, "the circle of life."

My advice: travel to these regions as quickly as possible. While there may
be short-term improvements in the maintenance of these synagogues and
cemeteries (this was the case in both Satu Mare and Seine--their cemeteries
were being cleaned up during my brief visit!), the long-term trend, is not
favorable. One thing that was especially sad, was seeing old prayerbooks,
moldy and rotting, stacked up in two or three of the under-utilized
synagogues I visited. Unlike the cemeteries, these could be more easily
saved and conserved, but there seems to be little interest or resources to
do so, and I suspect that it is too late.

I had the sense that the Jewish Community in the Romania I visited really
has just two missions: facilitate aliyah to Israel for the "young" and care
for the aged until they are dead. As with the Yiddish language, the "job" is
it's almost finished. It's very sad. Except, perhaps, in the largest cities,
these countries have been "cleansed."

Regards,

Steve Low
Lincoln, MA

Researching:

LOW >from Satu Mare/Seini, Romania (i.e., Szatmar/Szinervaraljá, Hungary) to
New York

SCHWARTZ >from Halmeu, Romania (I.e., Halmi, Hungary) to New York

WITTNER >from Iasi, Romania to New York; Manchester, England; Australia

LANDO/LANDA/LANDAU >from Kiliya, Ukraine and Kishinev, Moldova to New York
and
Palestine

----- Original Message -----
From: michael perl
To: H-SIG
Sent: 08/10/2006 11:47 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Baia Mare/Nagybanya


Siggers,

I know some relatives (ggf and ggm) are buried in Nagybanya/Baia Mare and
was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in either visiting
this cemetery or obtaining its records.
What condition is it in? Are the cemetery records still extant?

Many of the Jewish vital records for this town have been destroyed so I am
attempting another angle.


Your help would be appreciated.

Michael Perl

New York


Hungary SIG #Hungary "Tracing the Tribe" blog #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message is posted on behalf of the NY Conference Committee.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Schelly Talalay Dardashti is now writing a Jewish genealogy blog called
"Tracing the Tribe."

Its start date was selected to lead up to and cover the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy.

Schelly will interview speakers and conference attendees, and report on
events, innovations and resources.

Find it at http://tracingthetribe.blogspot.com.

Schelly was requested to begin this new venture by JTA (Jewish
Telegraphic
Agency), www.jta.org, and it is the first blog to be associated with the
news agency.

For more information on the Conference, visit www.jgsny2006.org.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair
<glory1@...>


Re: Anonymity of moderators- Encouragement #hungary

Robert Neu
 

I did not think that the identity of the moderator(s) was a secret to most of us. Nor do I think
we need to address the moderator(s) at their personal e-mail address for any matter pertaining to
the e-mails to/>from H-Sig. If you need a clarification or whatever by simply responding to the
e-mail to H-Sig it will reach the moderator, obviously unless you are the one who wants to remain
anonymous to the rest of us... which is not a pleasant thought...

Robert Neu

--- Leah Kraus <kraus@...> wrote:


Just to encourage the moderator who makes a wonderful work.
I'm among "the vast majority of JewishGen list subscribers, who ...
understand and have no objections to this policy".

Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel

Moderator: Todah rabah >from your anonymous moderator...

-----Original Message-----
From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:05 AM
To: h-sig digest recipients
Subject: h-sig digest: August 09, 2006

H-SIG Digest for Wednesday, August 09, 2006.

h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:52 EDT
X-Message-Number: 5

To my note as seen below, I received the following response >from the
Moderator.
According to Moderator's suggestion, I am sending this e-mail by copy to
support@... as well.
=================================
Moderator: It is JewishGen's practice to maintain the anonymity of
moderators.
Any subscriber with concerns or questions regarding JewishGen procedures
and guidelines may convey them to support@....
===================================
Why? It lends itself to unresponsive or rude responses >from moderators.
Quality of moderator's work, help and responses increases if there is no
anonymity. It also gives the same added helpful information about the
moderator, that may be used in determining the value of a response. And why
should there be anonymity? I remember the time in the not too distant past,
when moderators did identify themselves. It created a more friendly
atmosphere

I would really like to see the accepting of responsibility by the
moderators for their responses through identifying them selves..

Leslie Eloed
California US
leloed@...
===================================

Anonymity:

I agree with the moderators, that the name and location of those writing
comments should always be at the end of the message.
It often helps to evaluate the recommendation and advice. Like, if you are

in Hungary, the value of your help may be different then if you are in So
America.
The sending e-mail address is not defining neither the name nor the
location. I live in the US, in California, but among the many e-mail
addresses I use, there are some in Hungary, .HU or in the Islands, like
.CC or in any other country.

As far as the comment regarding anonymous moderators, I do agree.
Moderators should also follow the same rules, and ALWAYS IDENTIFY
THEMSELVES by both their names and location.
In the way back past, it used to be that way.

Leslie Eloed
California, USA

Moderator: Complaints about unresponsive or rude responses >from moderators,
as well as comments and recommendations about JewishGen procedures,
guidelines, and policies can be sent to <support@...> JewishGen
has several reasons for maintaining the anonymity of list moderators.
One is to avoid personal attacks and abusive comments directed toward
moderators. While not common, this has happened. Another reason for this
policy is to ensure that moderators, all of whom are volunteers, will not be
subjected to scores of off-list e-mail messages. Please bear in mind that
all JewishGen list moderators are volunteers. Given the sizeable number of
subscribers to the Hungarian SIG list and several others, this would create
an additional burden for moderators making it even more difficult to recruit
volunteers for this position. We believe that the vast majority of
JewishGen list subscribers, who now number in the thousands, understand and
have no objections to this policy.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary RE:Anonymity of moderators- Encouragement #hungary

Robert Neu
 

I did not think that the identity of the moderator(s) was a secret to most of us. Nor do I think
we need to address the moderator(s) at their personal e-mail address for any matter pertaining to
the e-mails to/>from H-Sig. If you need a clarification or whatever by simply responding to the
e-mail to H-Sig it will reach the moderator, obviously unless you are the one who wants to remain
anonymous to the rest of us... which is not a pleasant thought...

Robert Neu

--- Leah Kraus <kraus@...> wrote:


Just to encourage the moderator who makes a wonderful work.
I'm among "the vast majority of JewishGen list subscribers, who ...
understand and have no objections to this policy".

Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel

Moderator: Todah rabah >from your anonymous moderator...

-----Original Message-----
From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:05 AM
To: h-sig digest recipients
Subject: h-sig digest: August 09, 2006

H-SIG Digest for Wednesday, August 09, 2006.

h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators
From: Eloedfamily@...
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:52 EDT
X-Message-Number: 5

To my note as seen below, I received the following response >from the
Moderator.
According to Moderator's suggestion, I am sending this e-mail by copy to
support@... as well.
=================================
Moderator: It is JewishGen's practice to maintain the anonymity of
moderators.
Any subscriber with concerns or questions regarding JewishGen procedures
and guidelines may convey them to support@....
===================================
Why? It lends itself to unresponsive or rude responses >from moderators.
Quality of moderator's work, help and responses increases if there is no
anonymity. It also gives the same added helpful information about the
moderator, that may be used in determining the value of a response. And why
should there be anonymity? I remember the time in the not too distant past,
when moderators did identify themselves. It created a more friendly
atmosphere

I would really like to see the accepting of responsibility by the
moderators for their responses through identifying them selves..

Leslie Eloed
California US
leloed@...
===================================

Anonymity:

I agree with the moderators, that the name and location of those writing
comments should always be at the end of the message.
It often helps to evaluate the recommendation and advice. Like, if you are

in Hungary, the value of your help may be different then if you are in So
America.
The sending e-mail address is not defining neither the name nor the
location. I live in the US, in California, but among the many e-mail
addresses I use, there are some in Hungary, .HU or in the Islands, like
.CC or in any other country.

As far as the comment regarding anonymous moderators, I do agree.
Moderators should also follow the same rules, and ALWAYS IDENTIFY
THEMSELVES by both their names and location.
In the way back past, it used to be that way.

Leslie Eloed
California, USA

Moderator: Complaints about unresponsive or rude responses >from moderators,
as well as comments and recommendations about JewishGen procedures,
guidelines, and policies can be sent to <support@...> JewishGen
has several reasons for maintaining the anonymity of list moderators.
One is to avoid personal attacks and abusive comments directed toward
moderators. While not common, this has happened. Another reason for this
policy is to ensure that moderators, all of whom are volunteers, will not be
subjected to scores of off-list e-mail messages. Please bear in mind that
all JewishGen list moderators are volunteers. Given the sizeable number of
subscribers to the Hungarian SIG list and several others, this would create
an additional burden for moderators making it even more difficult to recruit
volunteers for this position. We believe that the vast majority of
JewishGen list subscribers, who now number in the thousands, understand and
have no objections to this policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------


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Visit our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/
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http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/
For back issues, search the H-SIG message archives at
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Sign up for the JGFFAlert!
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Re: Anonymity of moderators- Doubt that help is being received from Hungary proper. #hungary

Lachaus
 

Moderators do a wonderful job and let's not criticise for the sake of
criticising.

"Like, if you are in Hungary, the value of your help may be different
then if you are in So America." I am not aware that we are receiving any
help >from Hungary proper. Am I wrong? My experience in dealings with the
Budapest Jewish congregation and others in Budapest has been disastrous.

Is there a Hungarian Jewish Genealogical Society like in other European
countries?

Paula Hauser
Brussels

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless it is related to genealogy, this thread is now closed. Please continue in private.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leah Kraus" <kraus@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: RE:[h-sig] Anonymity of moderators- Encouragement


>
> Just to encourage the moderator who makes a wonderful work.
> I'm among "the vast majority of JewishGen list subscribers, who ...
> understand and have no objections to this policy".
>
> Leah Kraus
> Haifa, Israel
>
> Moderator: Todah rabah >from your anonymous moderator...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> To: h-sig digest recipients
> Subject: h-sig digest: August 09, 2006
>
> H-SIG Digest for Wednesday, August 09, 2006.
>
> h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators
> From: Eloedfamily@...
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:52 EDT
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> To my note as seen below, I received the following response >from the
> Moderator.
> According to Moderator's suggestion, I am sending this e-mail by copy
to
> support@... as well.
> =================================
> Moderator: It is JewishGen's practice to maintain the anonymity of
> moderators.
> Any subscriber with concerns or questions regarding JewishGen
procedures
> and guidelines may convey them to support@....
> ===================================
> Why? It lends itself to unresponsive or rude responses >from moderators.
> Quality of moderator's work, help and responses increases if there is
no
> anonymity. It also gives the same added helpful information about the
> moderator, that may be used in determining the value of a response. And
why
> should there be anonymity? I remember the time in the not too distant
past,
> when moderators did identify themselves. It created a more friendly
> atmosphere
>
> I would really like to see the accepting of responsibility by the
> moderators for their responses through identifying them selves..
>
> Leslie Eloed
> California US
> leloed@...
> ===================================
>
> Anonymity:
>
> I agree with the moderators, that the name and location of those
writing
> comments should always be at the end of the message.
> It often helps to evaluate the recommendation and advice. Like, if you
are
>
> in Hungary, the value of your help may be different then if you are in
So
> America.
> The sending e-mail address is not defining neither the name nor the
> location. I live in the US, in California, but among the many e-mail
> addresses I use, there are some in Hungary, .HU or in the Islands,
like
> .CC or in any other country.
>
> As far as the comment regarding anonymous moderators, I do agree.
> Moderators should also follow the same rules, and ALWAYS IDENTIFY
> THEMSELVES by both their names and location.
> In the way back past, it used to be that way.
>
> Leslie Eloed
> California, USA
>
> Moderator: Complaints about unresponsive or rude responses >from
moderators,
> as well as comments and recommendations about JewishGen procedures,
> guidelines, and policies can be sent to <support@...>
JewishGen
> has several reasons for maintaining the anonymity of list moderators.
> One is to avoid personal attacks and abusive comments directed toward
> moderators. While not common, this has happened. Another reason for
this
> policy is to ensure that moderators, all of whom are volunteers, will
not be
> subjected to scores of off-list e-mail messages. Please bear in mind
that
> all JewishGen list moderators are volunteers. Given the sizeable number
of
> subscribers to the Hungarian SIG list and several others, this would
create
> an additional burden for moderators making it even more difficult to
recruit
> volunteers for this position. We believe that the vast majority of
> JewishGen list subscribers, who now number in the thousands, understand
and
> have no objections to this policy.
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>
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: RE:Anonymity of moderators- Doubt that help is being received from Hungary proper. #hungary

Lachaus
 

Moderators do a wonderful job and let's not criticise for the sake of
criticising.

"Like, if you are in Hungary, the value of your help may be different
then if you are in So America." I am not aware that we are receiving any
help >from Hungary proper. Am I wrong? My experience in dealings with the
Budapest Jewish congregation and others in Budapest has been disastrous.

Is there a Hungarian Jewish Genealogical Society like in other European
countries?

Paula Hauser
Brussels

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unless it is related to genealogy, this thread is now closed. Please continue in private.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leah Kraus" <kraus@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: RE:[h-sig] Anonymity of moderators- Encouragement


>
> Just to encourage the moderator who makes a wonderful work.
> I'm among "the vast majority of JewishGen list subscribers, who ...
> understand and have no objections to this policy".
>
> Leah Kraus
> Haifa, Israel
>
> Moderator: Todah rabah >from your anonymous moderator...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:05 AM
> To: h-sig digest recipients
> Subject: h-sig digest: August 09, 2006
>
> H-SIG Digest for Wednesday, August 09, 2006.
>
> h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: h-sig@... --- Anonymity of moderators
> From: Eloedfamily@...
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:52 EDT
> X-Message-Number: 5
>
> To my note as seen below, I received the following response >from the
> Moderator.
> According to Moderator's suggestion, I am sending this e-mail by copy
to
> support@... as well.
> =================================
> Moderator: It is JewishGen's practice to maintain the anonymity of
> moderators.
> Any subscriber with concerns or questions regarding JewishGen
procedures
> and guidelines may convey them to support@....
> ===================================
> Why? It lends itself to unresponsive or rude responses >from moderators.
> Quality of moderator's work, help and responses increases if there is
no
> anonymity. It also gives the same added helpful information about the
> moderator, that may be used in determining the value of a response. And
why
> should there be anonymity? I remember the time in the not too distant
past,
> when moderators did identify themselves. It created a more friendly
> atmosphere
>
> I would really like to see the accepting of responsibility by the
> moderators for their responses through identifying them selves..
>
> Leslie Eloed
> California US
> leloed@...
> ===================================
>
> Anonymity:
>
> I agree with the moderators, that the name and location of those
writing
> comments should always be at the end of the message.
> It often helps to evaluate the recommendation and advice. Like, if you
are
>
> in Hungary, the value of your help may be different then if you are in
So
> America.
> The sending e-mail address is not defining neither the name nor the
> location. I live in the US, in California, but among the many e-mail
> addresses I use, there are some in Hungary, .HU or in the Islands,
like
> .CC or in any other country.
>
> As far as the comment regarding anonymous moderators, I do agree.
> Moderators should also follow the same rules, and ALWAYS IDENTIFY
> THEMSELVES by both their names and location.
> In the way back past, it used to be that way.
>
> Leslie Eloed
> California, USA
>
> Moderator: Complaints about unresponsive or rude responses >from
moderators,
> as well as comments and recommendations about JewishGen procedures,
> guidelines, and policies can be sent to <support@...>
JewishGen
> has several reasons for maintaining the anonymity of list moderators.
> One is to avoid personal attacks and abusive comments directed toward
> moderators. While not common, this has happened. Another reason for
this
> policy is to ensure that moderators, all of whom are volunteers, will
not be
> subjected to scores of off-list e-mail messages. Please bear in mind
that
> all JewishGen list moderators are volunteers. Given the sizeable number
of
> subscribers to the Hungarian SIG list and several others, this would
create
> an additional burden for moderators making it even more difficult to
recruit
> volunteers for this position. We believe that the vast majority of
> JewishGen list subscribers, who now number in the thousands, understand
and
> have no objections to this policy.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> This SIG (h-sig@...) is hosted by
> JewishGen: The Home of Jewish Genealogy
> Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
>
> To post a message, please address it to <h-sig@...>
>
> Visit our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary/
> and check out the fabulous All-Hungary Database at
> http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/
> For back issues, search the H-SIG message archives at
> http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop
> Sign up for the JGFFAlert!
> http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgff-faq.html#q3.7
> Watch for info on H-SIG events at the
> 26th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy
> New York, NY, August 2006
>
>
> Help JewishGen Help You!
> http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity
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THANK YOU re HUNGARIAN LETTER #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Siggers,

To all those who responded to my posting regarding how to find a =
Hungarian
letter on my keyboard, thank you, especially Gabor, Leslie and Tom.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI =
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; =
Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs)


Hungary SIG #Hungary THANK YOU re HUNGARIAN LETTER #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Siggers,

To all those who responded to my posting regarding how to find a =
Hungarian
letter on my keyboard, thank you, especially Gabor, Leslie and Tom.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI =
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; =
Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs)