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Re: Missing 1904 ships manifest into New York City #general

spolansm@...
 

Jewishgen ID:169578

Searching: NUCUM SPOLENSKY (1904 Ships Manifest into New York City )

Father MEYOR
Mother’ maiden name Sussa Barislovsky
Born Kherson, Russia 1885
Resided Novamirigrod, Russia
Records state arrived New York City 1904
On the S.S. St.Paul
from So. Hampton, England
At age 19 a Carpenter
I906 he had brought his Mother, Sister and Brother over
Received his final citizenship papers and certificate 1912
Lived and died in New York State 1965

MART--------Florida
Martin Spolansky


half cousins #general

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

Thanks to all who responded to my query about half cousins (the children of
half brothers and half sisters). All point to this being the correct, if
rather cumbersome, term. Wait till I tell my half third cousins!

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis,
Lithuania

FELMAN,MIL(L)ER,ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine

TROPP,STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia

LINDERMAN,SCHLACKMAN -Plock,Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Missing 1904 ships manifest into New York City #general

spolansm@...
 

Jewishgen ID:169578

Searching: NUCUM SPOLENSKY (1904 Ships Manifest into New York City )

Father MEYOR
Mother’ maiden name Sussa Barislovsky
Born Kherson, Russia 1885
Resided Novamirigrod, Russia
Records state arrived New York City 1904
On the S.S. St.Paul
from So. Hampton, England
At age 19 a Carpenter
I906 he had brought his Mother, Sister and Brother over
Received his final citizenship papers and certificate 1912
Lived and died in New York State 1965

MART--------Florida
Martin Spolansky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen half cousins #general

Harvey L Kaplan <harvey@...>
 

Thanks to all who responded to my query about half cousins (the children of
half brothers and half sisters). All point to this being the correct, if
rather cumbersome, term. Wait till I tell my half third cousins!

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis,
Lithuania

FELMAN,MIL(L)ER,ROSENBLOOM - Kamenets-Podolsk, Shatava, Balyn, Ukraine

TROPP,STORCH - Kolbuszowa, Cmolas,Galicia

LINDERMAN,SCHLACKMAN -Plock,Poland


Courlanders cemetery data in NYC area #general

A. E. Jordan
 

For any Courlanders/Kurlanders who are planning to come to New York for
the Conference and want to take advantage of the cemetery tours (or
want to visit a family grave on their own), I have an incomplete but
very valuable index of the Courlander/Kurlander society plots in the
New York area. There were approx. 14 Courlander societies and over the
last few years I have visited all of them and photographed and
catalogued the graves.

If you want I will make this offer to look in the database and let you
know if I captured data/locations information on a specific grave for
you. What I would be able to tell you is in what cemetery it is located
as well as which plot. I may or may not have a photograph of the stone,
but if you want to take advantage of the cemetery tours offered during
the upcoming New York Conference this would at least tell you where to
find the person.

If you want me to check the database please send me an email with the
complete name and hopefully the date of death or something that will
distinguish the person. Generally I have date of death/burial and the
names. Beyond that it depends on what records the cemetery released or
what was on the stone.

If there are any Courlanders coming to the NY Conference who want to do
a good deed, this data still needs to be checked, proofed and in many
cases the stones need to be translated >from Hebrew to English to
complete the database. If you are going to a cemetery during the
Conference maybe you want to take along the data I have and proof
against one of the plots? Generally each Society is about 200-300
graves per plot. Let me know as it would be a great service to your
fellow Courlanders.

Also I will be attending some parts of the NY Conference and will have
my data there.

See you in New York Courlanders!

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...



PS -- If you have no idea if your family member is buried in New York,
if they were a Courlander or not, or alike I can not help you with this
data. This is a very specific database of just the Courlander society
plots in the greater New York area. About 5,000 graves as I recall. If
you are looking for general New York cemetery or grave information
please visit the JewishGen web site and its wonderful databases or the
NYGJS.ORG site for their great data. Sorry I can only help with this
specific Courlander data.


PSS -- If you do not know what a Courlander is this is likely not a
database for you. Courlanders were generally of German ancestry and
settled in what is today northern Latvia. Courland was a region inside
of modern day Latvia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Courlanders cemetery data in NYC area #general

A. E. Jordan
 

For any Courlanders/Kurlanders who are planning to come to New York for
the Conference and want to take advantage of the cemetery tours (or
want to visit a family grave on their own), I have an incomplete but
very valuable index of the Courlander/Kurlander society plots in the
New York area. There were approx. 14 Courlander societies and over the
last few years I have visited all of them and photographed and
catalogued the graves.

If you want I will make this offer to look in the database and let you
know if I captured data/locations information on a specific grave for
you. What I would be able to tell you is in what cemetery it is located
as well as which plot. I may or may not have a photograph of the stone,
but if you want to take advantage of the cemetery tours offered during
the upcoming New York Conference this would at least tell you where to
find the person.

If you want me to check the database please send me an email with the
complete name and hopefully the date of death or something that will
distinguish the person. Generally I have date of death/burial and the
names. Beyond that it depends on what records the cemetery released or
what was on the stone.

If there are any Courlanders coming to the NY Conference who want to do
a good deed, this data still needs to be checked, proofed and in many
cases the stones need to be translated >from Hebrew to English to
complete the database. If you are going to a cemetery during the
Conference maybe you want to take along the data I have and proof
against one of the plots? Generally each Society is about 200-300
graves per plot. Let me know as it would be a great service to your
fellow Courlanders.

Also I will be attending some parts of the NY Conference and will have
my data there.

See you in New York Courlanders!

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...



PS -- If you have no idea if your family member is buried in New York,
if they were a Courlander or not, or alike I can not help you with this
data. This is a very specific database of just the Courlander society
plots in the greater New York area. About 5,000 graves as I recall. If
you are looking for general New York cemetery or grave information
please visit the JewishGen web site and its wonderful databases or the
NYGJS.ORG site for their great data. Sorry I can only help with this
specific Courlander data.


PSS -- If you do not know what a Courlander is this is likely not a
database for you. Courlanders were generally of German ancestry and
settled in what is today northern Latvia. Courland was a region inside
of modern day Latvia.


Searching NAMEROW, MATZNER, SELTZER, SIMON, Rhode Island #general

Debra Kay <debjkay@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I am looking for the descendants of my great-grandmother's brother, Harris
SIMON, who lived in Providence, Rhode Island. I believe that his surname
was originally KLEMENTONOFSKY or KLEMENTOVSKY.

He had at least two sons, Herman SIMON, wife Frita, who had daughters,
Sharon NAMEROW and Beth MATZNER, who I believe lived in Cranston, Rhode
Island in the 1990's, and

Philip SIMON, wife Emma, who had a son, Mark SIMON, of New York City.

Harris also had a daughter, Nettie SELTZER, in Florida.

If any of this rings a bell, please contact me privately.

Debra Kay-Blatt
Simi Valley, CA
Waltham, MA
debjkay@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching NAMEROW, MATZNER, SELTZER, SIMON, Rhode Island #general

Debra Kay <debjkay@...>
 

Dear Genners:

I am looking for the descendants of my great-grandmother's brother, Harris
SIMON, who lived in Providence, Rhode Island. I believe that his surname
was originally KLEMENTONOFSKY or KLEMENTOVSKY.

He had at least two sons, Herman SIMON, wife Frita, who had daughters,
Sharon NAMEROW and Beth MATZNER, who I believe lived in Cranston, Rhode
Island in the 1990's, and

Philip SIMON, wife Emma, who had a son, Mark SIMON, of New York City.

Harris also had a daughter, Nettie SELTZER, in Florida.

If any of this rings a bell, please contact me privately.

Debra Kay-Blatt
Simi Valley, CA
Waltham, MA
debjkay@...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Anyone going to visit Kopenhagen cemetery Mosaisk Vestre Kirkegård for DELVALLE #scandinavia

Van Wijngaarden <hvw79@...>
 

Friends,

Is there anyone in this group going to or planning to visit the Mosaisk
Vestre Kirkegård cemetery in the future.

On this cemetery was buried : Deborah Viola Delvalle who died 1927, 2.
December at "Oringe sindssygehospital" (~Oringe Mental hospital) in
Vordingborg and buried 6. December 1927.
(Source: Margolinsky, J.: Jødiske Dødsfald i Danmark)

Viola came >from St. Thomas - then Danish West Indies- and was sent by her
parents for treatment to Denmark. She died far away >from family and home and
probably never saw anybody of her family again. I would be happy to find out
if there was a tombstone placed on her grave and a photo can be procured.

Thanks

Rene van Wijngaarden


Anyone going to visit Kopenhagen cemetery Mosaisk Vestre Kirkegård for DELVALLE #scandinavia

Van Wijngaarden <hvw79@...>
 

Friends,

Is there anyone in this group going to or planning to visit the Mosaisk
Vestre Kirkegård cemetery in the future.

On this cemetery was buried : Deborah Viola Delvalle who died 1927, 2.
December at "Oringe sindssygehospital" (~Oringe Mental hospital) in
Vordingborg and buried 6. December 1927.
(Source: Margolinsky, J.: Jødiske Dødsfald i Danmark)

Viola came >from St. Thomas - then Danish West Indies- and was sent by her
parents for treatment to Denmark. She died far away >from family and home and
probably never saw anybody of her family again. I would be happy to find out
if there was a tombstone placed on her grave and a photo can be procured.

Thanks

Rene van Wijngaarden


Conference Film Series and Special Evening Progam #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

The 26th IAJGS Conference, at the NY Marriott Marquis >from Sunday, Aug. 13
to Friday, Aug. 18, is hosting "a mini Jewish film festival," with an
unprecedented number of films and videos - 24 in all - the largest number
ever screened at one genealogical conference!

The showing of the films will begin on Sunday, Aug. 13, at noon and continue
through Thursday, Aug. 17. Weekday films will start at 8am and many evening
screenings are planned. The schedule is available on the conference website.
The screenings will be held in the 4th floor Ziegfield Room.

Included are two Academy Award-winning best documentary features: "The Last
Days," produced by Steven Spielberg and the Shoah Foundation, and "Into the
Arms of Strangers: Stories of the Kinderstransport," and one Emmy Award
winner, "The Attic: The Hiding of Ann Frank," with Mary Steenburgen and Paul
Scofield.

Other films will cover the Jewish experience in Austria ("Watermarks" and
"In Vienna They Put You in Jail"), Lithuania ("My Grandfather's House,"
"Kupishok: Unto Each Name a Person"), Poland ("Hiding and Seeking: Faith and
Tolerance After the Holocaust," "Image Before My Eyes," "Luboml: My Heart
Remembers," "Chaim Rumkowski and the Jews of Lodz"), Latvia ("My Jewish
Grandfather"), Hungary ("The Last Days," "Divan," "Paradise Lost: Journey to
Vaja"), Slovakia ("Dancing With My Father"), Transcarpathia ("Carpati: 50
Miles, 50 Years), Galicia ("The Last Klezmer," "I Remember Jewish
Drohobycz"), France ("Poumy"), Russia/Siberia (L'Chayim, Comrade Stalin"),
Israel and several Middle Eastern countries ("The Forgotten Refugees").

There will be films dealing with the Holocaust and concentration
camp experiences ("Voices of the Children" on Terezin, "The Last
Days" on Auschwitz), Jews in the resistance movement ("Poumy"),
and many on life-affirming topics, such as making peace with the
past by returning to one's ancestral shtetl ("Divan," "Journey to
Vaja," "Luboml," "Hiding and Seeking,") and dedicating memorials to
vanished Eastern European communities ("Kupishok").

United States subjects will also be tackled -- the experience of
growing up in New York City's Hebrew Orphan Asylum ("Bernie") and
life in the Jewish communities in Boro Park, Brooklyn ("Hiding and
Seeking"), Cleveland, Ohio ("Dancing With My Father"), Portland,
Oregon ("In Vienna They Put You in Jail"), and the history of the
Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles ("Genealogy Anyone?
Twenty-Five Years in the Life of the JGSLA"). Many of these films will
be shown twice, and several will be introduced by the film makers.

The will be a special evening program on Wednesday, Aug. 16th at 7:30pm-
"Visual Storytelling: The Genealogical Documentary." Eight filmmakers -
Eileen Douglas and Ron Steinman ("My Grandfather's House," "Luboml"), Pearl
Gluck ("Divan"), Menachem Daum ("Hiding and Seeking"), Yaron Zilberman
("Watermarks") and Elaine Kalman Naves ("Paradise Lost: Journey to Vaja"),
Jay Heyman ("Bernie"), and Marcia Rock ("Dancing With My Father")- will
participate. Using film clips, they will discuss their films and the
filmmaking process, including how to unearth memories and discover "the
truth" about your family's history and how to turn it all into a work of
art.

For detailed information about the films, visit the Conference website:
www.jgsny2006.org/conference_program.cfm. Many of the films will be for
sale at the Conference and they should be of great interest to Jewish
Genealogical Societies, as they make excellent programs.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Conference Film Series and Special Evening Progam #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

The 26th IAJGS Conference, at the NY Marriott Marquis >from Sunday, Aug. 13
to Friday, Aug. 18, is hosting "a mini Jewish film festival," with an
unprecedented number of films and videos - 24 in all - the largest number
ever screened at one genealogical conference!

The showing of the films will begin on Sunday, Aug. 13, at noon and continue
through Thursday, Aug. 17. Weekday films will start at 8am and many evening
screenings are planned. The schedule is available on the conference website.
The screenings will be held in the 4th floor Ziegfield Room.

Included are two Academy Award-winning best documentary features: "The Last
Days," produced by Steven Spielberg and the Shoah Foundation, and "Into the
Arms of Strangers: Stories of the Kinderstransport," and one Emmy Award
winner, "The Attic: The Hiding of Ann Frank," with Mary Steenburgen and Paul
Scofield.

Other films will cover the Jewish experience in Austria ("Watermarks" and
"In Vienna They Put You in Jail"), Lithuania ("My Grandfather's House,"
"Kupishok: Unto Each Name a Person"), Poland ("Hiding and Seeking: Faith and
Tolerance After the Holocaust," "Image Before My Eyes," "Luboml: My Heart
Remembers," "Chaim Rumkowski and the Jews of Lodz"), Latvia ("My Jewish
Grandfather"), Hungary ("The Last Days," "Divan," "Paradise Lost: Journey to
Vaja"), Slovakia ("Dancing With My Father"), Transcarpathia ("Carpati: 50
Miles, 50 Years), Galicia ("The Last Klezmer," "I Remember Jewish
Drohobycz"), France ("Poumy"), Russia/Siberia (L'Chayim, Comrade Stalin"),
Israel and several Middle Eastern countries ("The Forgotten Refugees").

There will be films dealing with the Holocaust and concentration
camp experiences ("Voices of the Children" on Terezin, "The Last
Days" on Auschwitz), Jews in the resistance movement ("Poumy"),
and many on life-affirming topics, such as making peace with the
past by returning to one's ancestral shtetl ("Divan," "Journey to
Vaja," "Luboml," "Hiding and Seeking,") and dedicating memorials to
vanished Eastern European communities ("Kupishok").

United States subjects will also be tackled -- the experience of
growing up in New York City's Hebrew Orphan Asylum ("Bernie") and
life in the Jewish communities in Boro Park, Brooklyn ("Hiding and
Seeking"), Cleveland, Ohio ("Dancing With My Father"), Portland,
Oregon ("In Vienna They Put You in Jail"), and the history of the
Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles ("Genealogy Anyone?
Twenty-Five Years in the Life of the JGSLA"). Many of these films will
be shown twice, and several will be introduced by the film makers.

The will be a special evening program on Wednesday, Aug. 16th at 7:30pm-
"Visual Storytelling: The Genealogical Documentary." Eight filmmakers -
Eileen Douglas and Ron Steinman ("My Grandfather's House," "Luboml"), Pearl
Gluck ("Divan"), Menachem Daum ("Hiding and Seeking"), Yaron Zilberman
("Watermarks") and Elaine Kalman Naves ("Paradise Lost: Journey to Vaja"),
Jay Heyman ("Bernie"), and Marcia Rock ("Dancing With My Father")- will
participate. Using film clips, they will discuss their films and the
filmmaking process, including how to unearth memories and discover "the
truth" about your family's history and how to turn it all into a work of
art.

For detailed information about the films, visit the Conference website:
www.jgsny2006.org/conference_program.cfm. Many of the films will be for
sale at the Conference and they should be of great interest to Jewish
Genealogical Societies, as they make excellent programs.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair


Re: Jews in the Austrian Court #austria-czech

andrea steckerl <geneagirl64@...>
 

I was told as well that my grandfather was one who worked for the
court....how does one find out if that is true???

Andrea Steckerl
researching Steckerl(Miroslav) WeissGraz) Berger(Sumeg,Hungary)
Fischer( Mikulov) Gelinek(???)

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Subject: Jews in the Austrian Court
From: Scott Horwitz <horwitzzz_2000@...>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
I have been looking for any sort of lists of Jews that may have been
working for the Austrian court between 1912 - 1914. THe rumor in our
family is that my ggf was a geologist or engineer for the Austrian Court
and was told by and possibly helped by a superior to get out of Austria
just before WWI.

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott Horwitz - Evanston, IL


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Jews in the Austrian Court #austria-czech

andrea steckerl <geneagirl64@...>
 

I was told as well that my grandfather was one who worked for the
court....how does one find out if that is true???

Andrea Steckerl
researching Steckerl(Miroslav) WeissGraz) Berger(Sumeg,Hungary)
Fischer( Mikulov) Gelinek(???)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Jews in the Austrian Court
From: Scott Horwitz <horwitzzz_2000@...>
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
I have been looking for any sort of lists of Jews that may have been
working for the Austrian court between 1912 - 1914. THe rumor in our
family is that my ggf was a geologist or engineer for the Austrian Court
and was told by and possibly helped by a superior to get out of Austria
just before WWI.

Thanks for any assistance.

Scott Horwitz - Evanston, IL


Conference Programming of interest to Austrian-Czech SIG #austria-czech

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

On Wednesday, August 16th, there will be a block of programs presented at
the 26th IAJGS Conference of particular interest to members of the
Austria-Czech SIG.

*8am to 9:15am - Meeting of the Austria-Czech SIG.

*11am to 12:15pm - Henry Wellisch - Theresienstadt: The Town Hitler Gave to
the Jews

*1:45pm to 3:00pm - Manuela Wyler - Ordinary Exile: The Fate of Austrian
Jewish Refugees in Belgium and France, 1938-1945

*3:15pm to 4:30pm - Fritz Neubauer - Genealogical Information in Memorial
Books >from Germany and Austria

In addition, on Thursday, August 17th >from 11am to 12:15pm, Alexander Woodle
will speak about "The Old and the New: Using the Prague Archives, Jewish
History and DNA to Establish Family Routes."

There is also a wide array of presentations on general methodology,
technology and Internet resources and Holocaust research, as well as
computer lab sessions.

Archivists and librarians >from most of the major New York City repositories
will be speaking at the Conference, including Karen Franklin, Director of
the Family Research Department of the Leo Baeck Institute.

Immigration and naturalization research will be discussed by Marian Smith,
the Senior Historian at US Citizenship and Immigration Services, Department
of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service),
Valery Bazarov, Director of HIAS Location and Family History Service, and
Simone Eick, Research Management and Deputy Director of the German
Emigration Center, Bremerhaven, Germany.

The Conference takes places at the New York Marriott Marquis >from Sunday,
August 13th to Friday, August 18th. For more information visit the
Conference website at www.jgsny2006.org.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note also that there are two films being shown at
the conference of particular interest to our SIG members: "Watermarks" about
the female swim team >from Hakoah, in Vienna, circa 1930s, and "In Vienna
They Put You in Jail." In addition, at the evening screening of "Watermarks"
the film's director will be present.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Conference Programming of interest to Austrian-Czech SIG #austria-czech

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

On Wednesday, August 16th, there will be a block of programs presented at
the 26th IAJGS Conference of particular interest to members of the
Austria-Czech SIG.

*8am to 9:15am - Meeting of the Austria-Czech SIG.

*11am to 12:15pm - Henry Wellisch - Theresienstadt: The Town Hitler Gave to
the Jews

*1:45pm to 3:00pm - Manuela Wyler - Ordinary Exile: The Fate of Austrian
Jewish Refugees in Belgium and France, 1938-1945

*3:15pm to 4:30pm - Fritz Neubauer - Genealogical Information in Memorial
Books >from Germany and Austria

In addition, on Thursday, August 17th >from 11am to 12:15pm, Alexander Woodle
will speak about "The Old and the New: Using the Prague Archives, Jewish
History and DNA to Establish Family Routes."

There is also a wide array of presentations on general methodology,
technology and Internet resources and Holocaust research, as well as
computer lab sessions.

Archivists and librarians >from most of the major New York City repositories
will be speaking at the Conference, including Karen Franklin, Director of
the Family Research Department of the Leo Baeck Institute.

Immigration and naturalization research will be discussed by Marian Smith,
the Senior Historian at US Citizenship and Immigration Services, Department
of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service),
Valery Bazarov, Director of HIAS Location and Family History Service, and
Simone Eick, Research Management and Deputy Director of the German
Emigration Center, Bremerhaven, Germany.

The Conference takes places at the New York Marriott Marquis >from Sunday,
August 13th to Friday, August 18th. For more information visit the
Conference website at www.jgsny2006.org.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
26th IAJGS Conference Program Committee Chair

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note also that there are two films being shown at
the conference of particular interest to our SIG members: "Watermarks" about
the female swim team >from Hakoah, in Vienna, circa 1930s, and "In Vienna
They Put You in Jail." In addition, at the evening screening of "Watermarks"
the film's director will be present.


Re: Jewish family and first names in the Austrian Empire #austria-czech

Jan O. hellmann <jan@...>
 

Henry Wellish wrote very deeply about the Josef II patent >from 1787. Mine
own investigations show that many Jewish names passed the procedures without
changes might be 50% - just a guess. This can be seen, when comparing the
information given in Judaica Bohemiae aticles in latest years. So far I can
see the names, which survived have been mainly those, which have been German
sounding. The Judaica Bohemiae can be a good source of information.
Unfortunatelly the only way how to get it f.e. in Denmark is to travel to
Prague and to buy it. It is not in the libraries and the fees for for money
transfer are tremendeously higher than the cost of the books. Hopefully The
Jewish Museum in Prague will soon accept credit card payements via Internet.

Jan O. Hellmann/Denmark


Joseph II's Name Edict of 1787 #austria-czech

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

Regarding the posting of Henry Wellisch 27 July 2006) on Joseph II's "Jewish
family and first name decree" of 1787, I wish to add that one source states
that the list for first names was restricted to 110 for males and 30 for
females.

I lack the specific reference but it appears in "Jahrbuch der Gesellschaft
fur Geschichte der Juden in der Cechoslov Republik", probably in an article
on Jewish names by A. Roubik. No source or further information was given.

I concur with Mr. Wellisch - the decree was one thing; its implementation
was another. In part, this was because the decree was centrally initiated
and locally implemented.

Paul King
Jerusalem


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Joseph II's Name Edict of 1787 #austria-czech

Paul King <samorai@...>
 

Regarding the posting of Henry Wellisch 27 July 2006) on Joseph II's "Jewish
family and first name decree" of 1787, I wish to add that one source states
that the list for first names was restricted to 110 for males and 30 for
females.

I lack the specific reference but it appears in "Jahrbuch der Gesellschaft
fur Geschichte der Juden in der Cechoslov Republik", probably in an article
on Jewish names by A. Roubik. No source or further information was given.

I concur with Mr. Wellisch - the decree was one thing; its implementation
was another. In part, this was because the decree was centrally initiated
and locally implemented.

Paul King
Jerusalem


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SV: Jewish family and first names in the Austrian Empire #austria-czech

Jan O. hellmann <jan@...>
 

Henry Wellish wrote very deeply about the Josef II patent >from 1787. Mine
own investigations show that many Jewish names passed the procedures without
changes might be 50% - just a guess. This can be seen, when comparing the
information given in Judaica Bohemiae aticles in latest years. So far I can
see the names, which survived have been mainly those, which have been German
sounding. The Judaica Bohemiae can be a good source of information.
Unfortunatelly the only way how to get it f.e. in Denmark is to travel to
Prague and to buy it. It is not in the libraries and the fees for for money
transfer are tremendeously higher than the cost of the books. Hopefully The
Jewish Museum in Prague will soon accept credit card payements via Internet.

Jan O. Hellmann/Denmark