After a month of waiting, I received what I think is my father's parents' NY
State certificate and record of marriage.

I'd appreciate it if others would look at the comparison of what's on the
certificate and the info I already had, and venture a guess as to whether I've
really hit pay dirt or not -- thanks in advance!

Certificate What I Already Knew
G'father's name: G'father's name:
Benjamin Cohen Barnet(t) Cohen
Dov Ber Kissin

Would Benjamin be an acceptable substitute for Dov Ber (or either of these
names)? Using the Jewishgen name converter, I don't see that as a possibility.
And why would he switch >from Benjamin to Barnet?

G'mother's name: Grandmother's name:
Bessie Soltuskiss/Softusskiss Bessie Solutuzkyn

There is no name similar to Soltuskiss/Softuskiss in the immigration records that
I can find. I'm assuming this was just a difficult name to spell in English.

G'father's occupation: G'father's
occupation:
Ice man Ice dealer (father's
birth cert two years
later

Great-g'father's name: Great g'father's
name:
Is-- Cohen Israel Kissin

I can't really read the first name on the certificate, unfortunately. If the
name really was Kissin in the old country, why would my grandfather use Cohen for
his father? To answer myself, because he wanted to?

Perhaps I'll post the certificate to ViewMate, to see if anyone can help me
figure out the handwriting.

Also, with the recent discussion about naming children after deceased relatives,
would the surname of a deceased relative have been used for a first name?

On this marriage record, my grandmother's mother's maiden name is given as
Kalman. My grandmother named one of her sons Kalman. Does that make sense?

Thanks in advance (as always) for all help.

Best regards,

Debbie Cohen Skolnik
Fairview, NC (outside of Asheville), previously metro
DC area

Searching:
LANDY, LANDE, LONDIN -- Bialystok-Chicago (Tilly Landy)
GARBARSH, GARBAR, GERBER -- Ostrow - Chicago (Jacob Gerber)
SOLUTUSZKYN -- ??Jatyn (on Ellis Island Records)-Brooklyn, NY
Peshe (Bessie) Solutuszkyn Cohen
KISSIN -- Kiev-Brooklyn, NY became Barney or Barnet Cohen at some point

After a month of waiting, I received what I think is my father's parents' NY
State certificate and record of marriage.

I'd appreciate it if others would look at the comparison of what's on the
certificate and the info I already had, and venture a guess as to whether I've
really hit pay dirt or not -- thanks in advance!

Certificate What I Already Knew
G'father's name: G'father's name:
Benjamin Cohen Barnet(t) Cohen
Dov Ber Kissin

Would Benjamin be an acceptable substitute for Dov Ber (or either of these
names)? Using the Jewishgen name converter, I don't see that as a possibility.
And why would he switch >from Benjamin to Barnet?

G'mother's name: Grandmother's name:
Bessie Soltuskiss/Softusskiss Bessie Solutuzkyn

There is no name similar to Soltuskiss/Softuskiss in the immigration records that
I can find. I'm assuming this was just a difficult name to spell in English.

G'father's occupation: G'father's
occupation:
Ice man Ice dealer (father's
birth cert two years
later

Great-g'father's name: Great g'father's
name:
Is-- Cohen Israel Kissin

I can't really read the first name on the certificate, unfortunately. If the
name really was Kissin in the old country, why would my grandfather use Cohen for
his father? To answer myself, because he wanted to?

Perhaps I'll post the certificate to ViewMate, to see if anyone can help me
figure out the handwriting.

Also, with the recent discussion about naming children after deceased relatives,
would the surname of a deceased relative have been used for a first name?

On this marriage record, my grandmother's mother's maiden name is given as
Kalman. My grandmother named one of her sons Kalman. Does that make sense?

Thanks in advance (as always) for all help.

Best regards,

Debbie Cohen Skolnik
Fairview, NC (outside of Asheville), previously metro
DC area

Searching:
LANDY, LANDE, LONDIN -- Bialystok-Chicago (Tilly Landy)
GARBARSH, GARBAR, GERBER -- Ostrow - Chicago (Jacob Gerber)
SOLUTUSZKYN -- ??Jatyn (on Ellis Island Records)-Brooklyn, NY
Peshe (Bessie) Solutuszkyn Cohen
KISSIN -- Kiev-Brooklyn, NY became Barney or Barnet Cohen at some point

I am the Coordinator of the Kolomea Research Group. Our focus is on
the Kolomea Administrative District (KAD) as it appeared under
Austrian rule in the region Galicia. We maintain a web site at
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kolomea/kolomad.htm. For the most part
the information on our web site is on the Town of Kolomea. We wish to
broaden our coverage of other towns and villages which comprised the
KAD and which transcended >from Austrian rule, to Polish rule to
eventually Ukrainian rule today.

At URL www.shtetlinks/jewishgen.org/kolomea/towns.htm is a list of 81
towns and villages which were part of the KAD. If you can provide any
information, >from whatever sources, about any aspect of any of the
communities (except the Town of Kolomea), please forward the
information directly to me. Sources may include the Web (provide
URL), first person accounts, family histories, letters, books,
newspapers, and other documents. Photographs are also desired. Please
cite clearly the references that were used.

Thank you,

Alan Weiser, Coordinator
Kolomea Research Group & Web Site
alanboy@...
Silver Spring, MD USA

I am the Coordinator of the Kolomea Research Group. Our focus is on
the Kolomea Administrative District (KAD) as it appeared under
Austrian rule in the region Galicia. We maintain a web site at
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/kolomea/kolomad.htm. For the most part
the information on our web site is on the Town of Kolomea. We wish to
broaden our coverage of other towns and villages which comprised the
KAD and which transcended >from Austrian rule, to Polish rule to
eventually Ukrainian rule today.

At URL www.shtetlinks/jewishgen.org/kolomea/towns.htm is a list of 81
towns and villages which were part of the KAD. If you can provide any
information, >from whatever sources, about any aspect of any of the
communities (except the Town of Kolomea), please forward the
information directly to me. Sources may include the Web (provide
URL), first person accounts, family histories, letters, books,
newspapers, and other documents. Photographs are also desired. Please
cite clearly the references that were used.

Thank you,

Alan Weiser, Coordinator
Kolomea Research Group & Web Site
alanboy@...
Silver Spring, MD USA

These men belong to my Kolomea Research Group. I need their current
email addresses.

Dick Goldman & Elias Kupfermann

Alan Weiser
alanboy@...
Silver Spring, MD USA

These men belong to my Kolomea Research Group. I need their current
email addresses.

Dick Goldman & Elias Kupfermann

Alan Weiser
alanboy@...
Silver Spring, MD USA

Dear GerSig Members:
I am researching the name REPENNING. My maternal grandmother is shown on
our tree as "Margareta REPENNING, b. 1869, m. 1892 to Hinrich (Henry)
Friedrich MALTZEN.

Both Henry and Margareta would have emigrated to the United States in the
decade of 1880-1890.

The MALTZEN that I find on emigration records was listed as dated 1890
rather than the 1881 date in family records.

The only REPENNING that comes near the match and is shown on U.S. emigration
records is listed as Elise REPENNING, b. 1869, age 19, departing from
Hamburg and arriving the 4th of May, 1881 >from Schmbuhl, Prussia. Birth
year matches. Both Hinrich/Henry and Elise note "Prussia" as their origin.

The Schleswig-Holstein area of what is now northwest Germany was at that time
Prussia. Thanks for any help.

Diane Margaret Hartman Cudo <tikvah7@...>

Dear GerSig Members:
I am researching the name REPENNING. My maternal grandmother is shown on
our tree as "Margareta REPENNING, b. 1869, m. 1892 to Hinrich (Henry)
Friedrich MALTZEN.

Both Henry and Margareta would have emigrated to the United States in the
decade of 1880-1890.

The MALTZEN that I find on emigration records was listed as dated 1890
rather than the 1881 date in family records.

The only REPENNING that comes near the match and is shown on U.S. emigration
records is listed as Elise REPENNING, b. 1869, age 19, departing from
Hamburg and arriving the 4th of May, 1881 >from Schmbuhl, Prussia. Birth
year matches. Both Hinrich/Henry and Elise note "Prussia" as their origin.

The Schleswig-Holstein area of what is now northwest Germany was at that time
Prussia. Thanks for any help.

Diane Margaret Hartman Cudo <tikvah7@...>

Dear GerSigers,
I am researching my paternal line, HARTMAN. My great-great grandfather,
James D. HARTMAN, b. 1818, d.1896, is the latest information I have at this
time. No time line on emigration to the U.S.

I have been advised in the past that the name KALE, or various spellings of
the name, i.e. KEHL, KAIL, COEHL, were replacements for the Jewish name
Cohen. Does anyone have information regarding this, or resources to suggest?

Thank you... Diane Hartman Cudo Tikvah7@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please give ** a little ** more information when you ask for
help researching a person. Where was James D. HARTMAN born? Where did he die?
How do you know that he was of German ancestry ?

** Basic ** information on your primary research subject should be included in
every inquiry to our list. Please do *** not *** send entire family trees or
family histories to our list. That information should usually be exchanged
privately and / or via the JewishGen FTJP. MODERATOR

Dear GerSigers,
I am researching my paternal line, HARTMAN. My great-great grandfather,
James D. HARTMAN, b. 1818, d.1896, is the latest information I have at this
time. No time line on emigration to the U.S.

I have been advised in the past that the name KALE, or various spellings of
the name, i.e. KEHL, KAIL, COEHL, were replacements for the Jewish name
Cohen. Does anyone have information regarding this, or resources to suggest?

Thank you... Diane Hartman Cudo Tikvah7@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please give ** a little ** more information when you ask for
help researching a person. Where was James D. HARTMAN born? Where did he die?
How do you know that he was of German ancestry ?

** Basic ** information on your primary research subject should be included in
every inquiry to our list. Please do *** not *** send entire family trees or
family histories to our list. That information should usually be exchanged
privately and / or via the JewishGen FTJP. MODERATOR

Martin.Conitzer@... (Martin Conitzer) provided a SITE CITE to:
http://db.genealogy.net/fotostudios
The website (in German )gives details about historic photographic studios in
Germany. ============>

The list is a growing effort it seems. Already quite a lot of German towns
and photographers or studios can be found. You can see details of their
logos and sometimes also an actual picture. This info helps identifying the
style and / or timeframe [of old photographs]. I saw that also some photographers
in Swiss towns are mentioned. I put it right a way on my favorites list, because
with the help of more contributors this can grow out to be a major data-base.

Even though the information is in German, it does not matter, because the main
thing is to locate the names of photographers or the town they worked in.

Christopher Massur, Curaçao, NA <cmassur@...>

Martin.Conitzer@... (Martin Conitzer) provided a SITE CITE to:
http://db.genealogy.net/fotostudios
The website (in German )gives details about historic photographic studios in
Germany. ============>

The list is a growing effort it seems. Already quite a lot of German towns
and photographers or studios can be found. You can see details of their
logos and sometimes also an actual picture. This info helps identifying the
style and / or timeframe [of old photographs]. I saw that also some photographers
in Swiss towns are mentioned. I put it right a way on my favorites list, because
with the help of more contributors this can grow out to be a major data-base.

Even though the information is in German, it does not matter, because the main
thing is to locate the names of photographers or the town they worked in.

Christopher Massur, Curaçao, NA <cmassur@...>

Have you registered yet to attend the Jewish Genealogy Conference in New
York, August 13 to 18? If not, what are you waiting for? The "early bird"
deadline is May 15 (www.jgsny2006.org/registration.cfm).

On behalf of the Conference committee, I would like to point out some of the
lectures that are of special interest to those with German-Jewish roots:

James Bauer (Session #103)
Meet the "Cesters" -- Making Friends and Researching Family
in Three Small German Towns: Ernsbach, Nagelsberg and Furfeld

Karen Franklin (Session #116)
Embalmers on the Range: Tracking the Winter Family

Karen Franklin (Session #404)
The Leo Baeck Institute

Simone Eick (Session #242)
Research Work at the German Emigration Center, Bremerhaven, Germany

Roger Lustig (Session #352)
Vital Records in Prussian Poland: Getting the Whole Picture

Fritz Neubauer (Session #310)
Genealogical Information in Memorial Books >from Germany

For descriptions of these and and almost 200 more programs that will be
offered at the Conference, see www.jgsny2006.org/sessions.cfm .

To register for the Conference go to www.jgsny2006.org/registration.cfm
You can sign up for the GerSIG lunch (Monday, Aug. 14) on the registration
form.

To subscribe to the NY2006 Conference mailing list, follow the links at
www.jgsny2006.org/list_serve_directions.cfm .

Hope to see you at the New York Marriott Marquis in August!

Renee Stern Steinig Dix Hills, New York, USA renee@...

Have you registered yet to attend the Jewish Genealogy Conference in New
York, August 13 to 18? If not, what are you waiting for? The "early bird"
deadline is May 15 (www.jgsny2006.org/registration.cfm).

On behalf of the Conference committee, I would like to point out some of the
lectures that are of special interest to those with German-Jewish roots:

James Bauer (Session #103)
Meet the "Cesters" -- Making Friends and Researching Family
in Three Small German Towns: Ernsbach, Nagelsberg and Furfeld

Karen Franklin (Session #116)
Embalmers on the Range: Tracking the Winter Family

Karen Franklin (Session #404)
The Leo Baeck Institute

Simone Eick (Session #242)
Research Work at the German Emigration Center, Bremerhaven, Germany

Roger Lustig (Session #352)
Vital Records in Prussian Poland: Getting the Whole Picture

Fritz Neubauer (Session #310)
Genealogical Information in Memorial Books >from Germany

For descriptions of these and and almost 200 more programs that will be
offered at the Conference, see www.jgsny2006.org/sessions.cfm .

To register for the Conference go to www.jgsny2006.org/registration.cfm
You can sign up for the GerSIG lunch (Monday, Aug. 14) on the registration
form.

To subscribe to the NY2006 Conference mailing list, follow the links at
www.jgsny2006.org/list_serve_directions.cfm .

Hope to see you at the New York Marriott Marquis in August!

Renee Stern Steinig Dix Hills, New York, USA renee@...

Hello to all,

Is there anyone willing to go to Mt. Hebron Cemetery in Flushing, Queens NY,
to take pictures of some headstones?

The address of the cemetery is:
130-04 Horace Harding Expressway
Flushing, NY 11367

I would go myself, but live well over 1000 miles away!

Please email me privately for a list of names and grave locations.

Thank you!

Shelly Crane
USA
Names I am researching:
Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, BLEKHMAN, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FELDMAN, FISCHLER,
GITERMAN, GLASS, KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY,
OSCHERANKO, PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, TAMOUR, TITKOV, WEXLER,
ZEISLER Streshin, Mogilev (gub), Belarus: GUTIN

Hello to all,

Is there anyone willing to go to Mt. Hebron Cemetery in Flushing, Queens NY,
to take pictures of some headstones?

The address of the cemetery is:
130-04 Horace Harding Expressway
Flushing, NY 11367

I would go myself, but live well over 1000 miles away!

Please email me privately for a list of names and grave locations.

Thank you!

Shelly Crane
USA
Names I am researching:
Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, BLEKHMAN, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FELDMAN, FISCHLER,
GITERMAN, GLASS, KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY,
OSCHERANKO, PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, TAMOUR, TITKOV, WEXLER,
ZEISLER Streshin, Mogilev (gub), Belarus: GUTIN

It depends on the Jews' ancestry. Sephardi and western European Ashkenazi
*do* name their kids after the grandparents, living or dead: first
son(daughter) named after the father's father (mother), second son(daughter)
named after the mother's father (mother). Two brothers would name their
first sons Geoffrey if their father was Geoffrey (or similar sounding
Yiddish/Hebrew name)-even if he was living.

Eastern European Ashkenazi don't name kids after living people. Two
Geoffrey's might be named after a recently deceased older Geoffrey (or
similar sounding Yiddish/Hebrew name).

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

"I've always understood that it was Jewish tradition not to name children
after living relatives. Someone just mentioned to me that this isn't the
case for particularly orthodox families."

It depends on the Jews' ancestry. Sephardi and western European Ashkenazi
*do* name their kids after the grandparents, living or dead: first
son(daughter) named after the father's father (mother), second son(daughter)
named after the mother's father (mother). Two brothers would name their
first sons Geoffrey if their father was Geoffrey (or similar sounding
Yiddish/Hebrew name)-even if he was living.

Eastern European Ashkenazi don't name kids after living people. Two
Geoffrey's might be named after a recently deceased older Geoffrey (or
similar sounding Yiddish/Hebrew name).

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

"I've always understood that it was Jewish tradition not to name children
after living relatives. Someone just mentioned to me that this isn't the
case for particularly orthodox families."

Hi Genners

yesterday I wrote:

Until this week I thought that the Sephardi tradition was to name for
the grandparents in a certain order, whether they were living or dead,
but I read in the latest issue of a magazine dealing with Jewish
culture that after 1492 the Sephardic Jews of Morocco had different
naming traditions depending on whether they descended >from Berber/
mountain villages or >from the Spanish mainland. I will get more detail
on this when I get home tonight.

.........................

to expand on this the article (approximately)

New arrivals in Morocco after the expulsion of 1492 were known as
Megorashim (the banished), the native Jews were Toshavim. The two
communities separated themselves for 450 years, and until recently the
most Megorashim communities spoke HakMtia a mixture of Spanish,
Hebrew and an Arabic Dialect......

...amongst the Toshavim a boy is always named after the grandfather even
if he is still alive, where asamongst the Megorashim a child is never
named after a living relative.
.........................
If the moderator will allow me to mention the name of the magazine, which
I previously found out about through this list, more info can be found at
http://www.jewishrenaissance.org.uk/index2.htm
I have no financial interest in this magazine.

Shabbat shalom
Ben Forman
Manchester UK

searching: BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN: Kaluszyn;
GEVER: Daugavpils; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa

Hi Genners

yesterday I wrote:

Until this week I thought that the Sephardi tradition was to name for
the grandparents in a certain order, whether they were living or dead,
but I read in the latest issue of a magazine dealing with Jewish
culture that after 1492 the Sephardic Jews of Morocco had different
naming traditions depending on whether they descended >from Berber/
mountain villages or >from the Spanish mainland. I will get more detail
on this when I get home tonight.

.........................

to expand on this the article (approximately)

New arrivals in Morocco after the expulsion of 1492 were known as
Megorashim (the banished), the native Jews were Toshavim. The two
communities separated themselves for 450 years, and until recently the
most Megorashim communities spoke HakMtia a mixture of Spanish,
Hebrew and an Arabic Dialect......

...amongst the Toshavim a boy is always named after the grandfather even
if he is still alive, where asamongst the Megorashim a child is never
named after a living relative.
.........................
If the moderator will allow me to mention the name of the magazine, which
I previously found out about through this list, more info can be found at
http://www.jewishrenaissance.org.uk/index2.htm
I have no financial interest in this magazine.

Shabbat shalom
Ben Forman
Manchester UK

searching: BERNSTEIN/WEINER: Ylakai, CAHN/WOLF: Koeln; FURMAN: Kaluszyn;
GEVER: Daugavpils; SAWADY: Zavadi,Posen; STILLMAN: Pilica/Czestechowa