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Re: Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia #latvia

Alan D Glick <aglick1@...>
 

It does look like the book is sold out. I appear to have gotten one
of the last copies.

Alan Glick
Valrico, FL

Searching:
ALEFRAIND, ALSTEIN - Poland.
GLICK,GLUCH,GLUCK - Daugavpils.
KOSOFSKY - Wyszogrod.
POLOTNICK - Novaya Ushitsa.
ROSEN, SLAVINSKI, SLOWENCINSKI - Daugavpils.
WOHMAN - Poland

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Latvia SIG" <latvia@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: [latvia] Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia


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I have tried to order this book several times without success.
Each time I am told "Sorry there is no listing yet."
Is this the Mall's way of telling me that the book is out of stock?

Joan Moskowitz Goldstein
Jerusalem, Israel (formerly New York City)
Email replies to joan@rgoldstein.com
Researching descendants of :
GUTMAN, BASCH of Siemiatycze of Bialystok Gubernia (now Poland).
MORSCHOVITZ, RABINOWITZ of Glazmanka (Gostini) Vitebsk Gubernia (now
Latvia).




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Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia #latvia

Alan D Glick <aglick1@...>
 

It does look like the book is sold out. I appear to have gotten one
of the last copies.

Alan Glick
Valrico, FL

Searching:
ALEFRAIND, ALSTEIN - Poland.
GLICK,GLUCH,GLUCK - Daugavpils.
KOSOFSKY - Wyszogrod.
POLOTNICK - Novaya Ushitsa.
ROSEN, SLAVINSKI, SLOWENCINSKI - Daugavpils.
WOHMAN - Poland

----- Original Message -----
From: "robert goldstein" <robertg@netvision.net.il>
To: "Latvia SIG" <latvia@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:54 AM
Subject: [latvia] Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia and Estonia


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JewishGen General Fund
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I have tried to order this book several times without success.
Each time I am told "Sorry there is no listing yet."
Is this the Mall's way of telling me that the book is out of stock?

Joan Moskowitz Goldstein
Jerusalem, Israel (formerly New York City)
Email replies to joan@rgoldstein.com
Researching descendants of :
GUTMAN, BASCH of Siemiatycze of Bialystok Gubernia (now Poland).
MORSCHOVITZ, RABINOWITZ of Glazmanka (Gostini) Vitebsk Gubernia (now
Latvia).




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Village Dubniki or Dubinki #latvia

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

When doing research in the State Historical Archive in Riga recently I found
a death record for one of my relatives who passed away in 1898. The death
was recorded in the book of Riga community, but the deceased person lived in
Cesis (Wenden) (all births and deaths taking place in Cesis were recorded in
Riga). The death record tells my relative was buried in Cesis but died in
another place. Now I'm trying to find out the name of his place of death and
where it is situated. The script was a bit hard to read but I think the name
of the place was either Dubniki or Dubinki. I guess it was a small village
as I haven't managed to find a place with a name like that on either modern
maps of Latvia or old maps of the Lifland guberniya where Cesis was situated
before WW1.

Hopefully someone of you can help me identify this small village!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@spray.se

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.


Latvia SIG #Latvia Village Dubniki or Dubinki #latvia

Adam Katzeff <adam.katzeff@...>
 

Dear all,

When doing research in the State Historical Archive in Riga recently I found
a death record for one of my relatives who passed away in 1898. The death
was recorded in the book of Riga community, but the deceased person lived in
Cesis (Wenden) (all births and deaths taking place in Cesis were recorded in
Riga). The death record tells my relative was buried in Cesis but died in
another place. Now I'm trying to find out the name of his place of death and
where it is situated. The script was a bit hard to read but I think the name
of the place was either Dubniki or Dubinki. I guess it was a small village
as I haven't managed to find a place with a name like that on either modern
maps of Latvia or old maps of the Lifland guberniya where Cesis was situated
before WW1.

Hopefully someone of you can help me identify this small village!

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden

adam.katzeff@spray.se

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.


update on searching with Steve Morse website #general

Sharon R. Korn <s.r.korn@...>
 

Recently, I wrote that it was not possible to search www.stevemorse.org for
"unknown" in the NYC Death Index. Such a search is definitely possible.
Also, the NYC Grooms and Brides Indexes have just been modified to allow
searching on the first name only. All of these databases are on
www.italiangen.org, which is much easier to search with Steve Morse's "one
step tools."


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen update on searching with Steve Morse website #general

Sharon R. Korn <s.r.korn@...>
 

Recently, I wrote that it was not possible to search www.stevemorse.org for
"unknown" in the NYC Death Index. Such a search is definitely possible.
Also, the NYC Grooms and Brides Indexes have just been modified to allow
searching on the first name only. All of these databases are on
www.italiangen.org, which is much easier to search with Steve Morse's "one
step tools."


Jacob LIPOFF from Grodno #lithuania

Shelly Crane
 

Hello.

I am trying to find anyone who may be related to Jacob LIPOFF >from Grodno. I
found his 1917 World War I draft registration card on a commercial web site.
He was 23 years old at the time and living in NY. I do not know what his
surname would have been in Grodno, but could have been LIPOWICZ or something
phonetically similar. I believe Jacob was married to Esther and they had at
least one child named, Lloyd.

If you are related to Jacob LIPOFF, please email me privately. My
grandfather was Abram LIPOFF (LIPOWICZ) son of Yossel.

Thank you,
Shelly Crane
USA, crzprncess@aol.com

Names I am researching
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GELER, GOREN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MILEWICZ,
PRESSMAN, WINICKA.
Gabin, Poland: BOL Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland: BAUMEL (Benel)
BRENZYLBERG CZERN, DYMET, EDELBAUM, FLASZTERSZTEIN ,GANC, NYSENKIER ROIZENFELD,
SZCERN, WAJSMAN


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Jacob LIPOFF from Grodno #lithuania

Shelly Crane
 

Hello.

I am trying to find anyone who may be related to Jacob LIPOFF >from Grodno. I
found his 1917 World War I draft registration card on a commercial web site.
He was 23 years old at the time and living in NY. I do not know what his
surname would have been in Grodno, but could have been LIPOWICZ or something
phonetically similar. I believe Jacob was married to Esther and they had at
least one child named, Lloyd.

If you are related to Jacob LIPOFF, please email me privately. My
grandfather was Abram LIPOFF (LIPOWICZ) son of Yossel.

Thank you,
Shelly Crane
USA, crzprncess@aol.com

Names I am researching
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GELER, GOREN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MILEWICZ,
PRESSMAN, WINICKA.
Gabin, Poland: BOL Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland: BAUMEL (Benel)
BRENZYLBERG CZERN, DYMET, EDELBAUM, FLASZTERSZTEIN ,GANC, NYSENKIER ROIZENFELD,
SZCERN, WAJSMAN


Jacob LIPOFF from Grodno #poland

Shelly Crane
 

Hello,

I am trying to find anyone who may be related to Jacob LIPOFF >from Grodno. I
found his 1917 World War I draft registration card on a commercial web site.
He was 23 years old at the time and living in NY. I do not know what his
surname would have been in Grodno, but could have been LIPOWICZ or something
phonetically similar. I believe Jacob was married to Esther and they had at
least one child named, Lloyd.

If you are related to Jacob LIPOFF, please email me privately. My
grandfather was Abram LIPOFF (LIPOWICZ) son of Yossel. Abram was born in Grajewo
Poland, but am trying to find out where his father Yossel came from. It could
have been Grodno.

Thank you,
Shelly Crane
USA, crzprncess@aol.com

Names I am researching
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GELER, GOREN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MILEWICZ,
PRESSMAN, WINICKA.
Gabin, Poland: BOL Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland: BAUMEL (Benel)
BRENZYLBERG CZERN, DYMET, EDELBAUM, FLASZTERSZTEIN ,GANC, NYSENKIER ROIZENFELD,
SZCERN, WAJSMAN


JRI Poland #Poland Jacob LIPOFF from Grodno #poland

Shelly Crane
 

Hello,

I am trying to find anyone who may be related to Jacob LIPOFF >from Grodno. I
found his 1917 World War I draft registration card on a commercial web site.
He was 23 years old at the time and living in NY. I do not know what his
surname would have been in Grodno, but could have been LIPOWICZ or something
phonetically similar. I believe Jacob was married to Esther and they had at
least one child named, Lloyd.

If you are related to Jacob LIPOFF, please email me privately. My
grandfather was Abram LIPOFF (LIPOWICZ) son of Yossel. Abram was born in Grajewo
Poland, but am trying to find out where his father Yossel came from. It could
have been Grodno.

Thank you,
Shelly Crane
USA, crzprncess@aol.com

Names I am researching
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, GELER, GOREN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MILEWICZ,
PRESSMAN, WINICKA.
Gabin, Poland: BOL Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland: BAUMEL (Benel)
BRENZYLBERG CZERN, DYMET, EDELBAUM, FLASZTERSZTEIN ,GANC, NYSENKIER ROIZENFELD,
SZCERN, WAJSMAN


Canadian Source for Biographical Data #ukraine

J. Spring <jspring@...>
 

Hello:
In 1940 the Canadian government required everyone age 16 years and older to
complete a National Registration form providing background to assess skills
to be used in the war effort. These forms are now available for people who
have been deceased for 20 years or more. I found them useful in determining
the shtetl of my great-grandparents (and their parents) as well as their
education, employment history, health, and knowledge of languages. There is
a fee (I believe it is $35 Cdn.) The address is:
Statistics Canada
Census Pension Searches Unit
Census Operations Division
B1E-34 Jean Talon Building
Tunney's Pasture
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0T6

J Spring, Ontario, Canada
Searching FLAGMAN, WERBE, SPRING, SCHNEE


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Canadian Source for Biographical Data #ukraine

J. Spring <jspring@...>
 

Hello:
In 1940 the Canadian government required everyone age 16 years and older to
complete a National Registration form providing background to assess skills
to be used in the war effort. These forms are now available for people who
have been deceased for 20 years or more. I found them useful in determining
the shtetl of my great-grandparents (and their parents) as well as their
education, employment history, health, and knowledge of languages. There is
a fee (I believe it is $35 Cdn.) The address is:
Statistics Canada
Census Pension Searches Unit
Census Operations Division
B1E-34 Jean Talon Building
Tunney's Pasture
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0T6

J Spring, Ontario, Canada
Searching FLAGMAN, WERBE, SPRING, SCHNEE


Viewmate-Russian-Just Shtetl Name #belarus

Lancy
 

I have posted one page of a Russian passport, and I need only the name of
the shtetl of origin.

If you can help me, please go to

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7089


Thank you in advance for your help.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Viewmate-Russian-Just Shtetl Name #belarus

Lancy
 

I have posted one page of a Russian passport, and I need only the name of
the shtetl of origin.

If you can help me, please go to

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7089


Thank you in advance for your help.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel


JGS Sacramento Sunday, November 20 Meeting #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento

When:Sunday, November 20, 10 a.m.

Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St.
Sacramento, CA

"Wayfayers" Author Stuart Tower
"Mass Jewish Emigration in the Early 20th Century"

Tower is the author of "The Wayfayers," an epic
historical novel focusing on the story of 60 young
Jewish men and women and their compelling march across
1500 miles of Europe in the early 1900s. In Yiddish
these wayfayers were called "fusgeyers."
Tower will discuss his extensive research about the
fusgeyers and their trek >from Romania to the ports
from which they sailed to America. These young
travelers were organized in an almost military fashion
and developed a pioneer spirit of self-help. In
crossing the miles on foot, they braved much adversity
and anti-Semitic acts.
Commenting on the book, Steven Spielberg said, "In
today's electronic society, plain old-fashioned,
captivating story-telling is rare. In "The Wayfayers,"
Stuart Tower has done just that." Two film production
companies are now considering making the book into a
possible feature film.
Tower, who lives in Southern California, has spoken at
genealogical society meetings around the world,
including a presentation in Washington, D.C. in 2003
when "The Wayfayers" was published. An earlier work of
his is "Withered Roots," where he described the lives
of Eastern European Jews who survived the Holocaust
and remained in their home countries.
Please join us Sunday morning, November 20. For more
information about the Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento,
visit http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail
the JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a
message at 916-486-0906 ext. 361.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento Sunday, November 20 Meeting #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento

When:Sunday, November 20, 10 a.m.

Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St.
Sacramento, CA

"Wayfayers" Author Stuart Tower
"Mass Jewish Emigration in the Early 20th Century"

Tower is the author of "The Wayfayers," an epic
historical novel focusing on the story of 60 young
Jewish men and women and their compelling march across
1500 miles of Europe in the early 1900s. In Yiddish
these wayfayers were called "fusgeyers."
Tower will discuss his extensive research about the
fusgeyers and their trek >from Romania to the ports
from which they sailed to America. These young
travelers were organized in an almost military fashion
and developed a pioneer spirit of self-help. In
crossing the miles on foot, they braved much adversity
and anti-Semitic acts.
Commenting on the book, Steven Spielberg said, "In
today's electronic society, plain old-fashioned,
captivating story-telling is rare. In "The Wayfayers,"
Stuart Tower has done just that." Two film production
companies are now considering making the book into a
possible feature film.
Tower, who lives in Southern California, has spoken at
genealogical society meetings around the world,
including a presentation in Washington, D.C. in 2003
when "The Wayfayers" was published. An earlier work of
his is "Withered Roots," where he described the lives
of Eastern European Jews who survived the Holocaust
and remained in their home countries.
Please join us Sunday morning, November 20. For more
information about the Jewish Genealogical Society of Sacramento,
visit http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail
the JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a
message at 916-486-0906 ext. 361.


Drohobycz BOF Meeting-Sunday, Nov. 20th #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

There will be a special Drohobycz-Borislav-Sambor birds-of-a-feather meeting
taking place on Sunday, November 20th >from 12P - 2P, preceding the
JGSNY/Gesher Galicia Regional Meeting (at 2PM) at the Center for Jewish
History at 15 West 16th St. in New York City.

Because this gathering may be of interest even to those people who don't
have ancestors >from these specific towns, and all are invited, we're
providing some details:

There will be a special PowerPoint presentation by Valerie Schatzker,
webmaster of the Drohobycz Administrative District website, on "The Jewish
Oil Magnates" a book translation she is currently editing on the oil
industry in Drohobycz. Written in Yiddish and published in England in 1954,
it details the history of the first refineries, the oil boom in
Drohobycz--beginning in the mid-19th century--and the lives of the Jewish
oil magnates. She will also detail recent research she has conducted in
Vienna relating to Galicia.

We are also honored to have Mr. Rubin Schmer at this gathering. Born in
Drohobycz in 1925, he left on June 29, 1941--one day before the Germans
invaded. He will discuss the cemetery and synagogue restoration projects he
is coordinating in Drohobycz--with the assistance of the rabbi >from
Zhitomir, Ukraine--as well as the construction of a memorial in the forest
of Bronica (Bronycja), the site of Aktions (mass killings) where over 18,000
Jews >from these towns were slaughtered during WWII.

We will be combining the SRRG (Suchostaw Region Research Group) and
Drohobycz BOFs for these presentations, and will then break into town groups
afterwords for networking, but anyone with an interest in these topics, or
in hearing a first-hand account about what life was like in these Galician
towns during the interwar years, is invited to attend.

Meeting details and directions can be found at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/joint_meeting.html#BOF

and

http://www.jgsny.org/events.htm

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Drohobycz BOF Meeting-Sunday, Nov. 20th #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

There will be a special Drohobycz-Borislav-Sambor birds-of-a-feather meeting
taking place on Sunday, November 20th >from 12P - 2P, preceding the
JGSNY/Gesher Galicia Regional Meeting (at 2PM) at the Center for Jewish
History at 15 West 16th St. in New York City.

Because this gathering may be of interest even to those people who don't
have ancestors >from these specific towns, and all are invited, we're
providing some details:

There will be a special PowerPoint presentation by Valerie Schatzker,
webmaster of the Drohobycz Administrative District website, on "The Jewish
Oil Magnates" a book translation she is currently editing on the oil
industry in Drohobycz. Written in Yiddish and published in England in 1954,
it details the history of the first refineries, the oil boom in
Drohobycz--beginning in the mid-19th century--and the lives of the Jewish
oil magnates. She will also detail recent research she has conducted in
Vienna relating to Galicia.

We are also honored to have Mr. Rubin Schmer at this gathering. Born in
Drohobycz in 1925, he left on June 29, 1941--one day before the Germans
invaded. He will discuss the cemetery and synagogue restoration projects he
is coordinating in Drohobycz--with the assistance of the rabbi >from
Zhitomir, Ukraine--as well as the construction of a memorial in the forest
of Bronica (Bronycja), the site of Aktions (mass killings) where over 18,000
Jews >from these towns were slaughtered during WWII.

We will be combining the SRRG (Suchostaw Region Research Group) and
Drohobycz BOFs for these presentations, and will then break into town groups
afterwords for networking, but anyone with an interest in these topics, or
in hearing a first-hand account about what life was like in these Galician
towns during the interwar years, is invited to attend.

Meeting details and directions can be found at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/joint_meeting.html#BOF

and

http://www.jgsny.org/events.htm

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Re: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow records? #galicia

Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
 

I am familiar with Alan's original PSA order, and it was entirely for
Death records. As Mark Halpern says, parents' names are not usually
found in Death records, except sometimes in the case of infant or
still-births. For Tarnow almost all of the Birth records do contain the
parent's names. It was unusual, but when we created the JRI-Poland
index of the LDS microfilmed years (1808 - 1870) we did include the
parents' names in the index, and you will see these when searching
online. For the PSA years (1870 - 1900), led by Dennis Gries, we typed
in information >from simple indices that we purchased >from the PSA.
These did not include this additional information, so we could not
enter it and you will not see parents' names in our online database for
these years. Based on the records that I and others have ordered and
seen, however, this information is usually present in the Birth
records. For newer years that we are paying to have entered by workers
at the PSA (1900 - 1904) the additional information including parents'
names is included, so for these years (when it is online) you will
again see the parents' names in our online database.

This is all a long way of saying that although you do not see parents'
names in the Tarnow Birth records for the years 1870 - 1900, it is very
likely that it will be in record photocopies that you order. For other
years you will immediately see parents' names when you search the
JRI-Poland online database.

Howard Fink
Tarnow Shtetl & Archive Coordinator
Acton, Massachusetts

On Nov 14, 2005, Mark Halpern wrote:

Subject: Re: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow
records?
From: "Mark Halpern" <mark@halpern.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:53:21 -0500

[snipped information]

2) Order birth records first as they have the most genealogically
relevant information. Concentrate on the family of the mother.
Birth records always includes some information about the mother's
parents.

In Alan's case, if he has good reason to suspect that the BLASSER
family
could be his BLATT family, I would suggest ordering the 1877 birth as
it
will have more information that the earlier 1872 birth record.

Alan also mentioned that he ordered copies of Tarnow records before and
they came with absolutely no additional information. I would venture a
guess that he had ordered death records. Death records do have more
information than the index entry contains, but, in many cases, do not
have much genealogically valuable information.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Order Processing Coordinator


----- Original Message -----

I've just learned of two records in the PSA for the town of Tarnow.

BLASSER Bassie B 1872 1872 159 15

Which is interesting because, although the last name is not quite
right, the year is right for it to be the birth of my grandmother
Bessie BLATT who was born Sept 17,1872 in Tarnow - but
doesn't show up in any record I could find under the name Blatt.

Interestingly, there's also a
BLASER Basie B 1877 1877 634 18 15
in the Tarnow records, but the year is not what we thought.

To figure out whether either really is her, I'd need the names
of their parents - but the records I could find don't include
that. Just what you see above.

I could order photocopies of the original records through
JRI -Poland, but once before I tried ordering photocopies of a
bunch of records, and they came with absolutely no additional
information. Just exactly the same stuff that I'd gotten on line
- but harder to read. They went straight into the waste basket.

Have any of you ever ordered photocopies of Tarnow records
like these?

Did they have any additional information beyond what
was on line?

If the original record had parents' names, wouldn't
that have been included with the index information?

thanks,
Alan Wasser
New York
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: RE: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow
From: "dennis gries" <dgries@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:01:06 -0500

Alan and others: Re: "Subject: Re: is there additional information in
photocopies of Tarnow records?

Yes, and I am emailing Alan with one of the .jpg files that I posted
onto
Viewmate a few months ago. Long story short: He will get the parents
of
both the father and the mother, the witnesses, if a boy - not the case
in
his request - the mohel, and additional notes. At least that is what I
received for two birth records for 1881 and 1884.

Best to all

Dennis Gries
Sarasota FL


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow records? #galicia

Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
 

I am familiar with Alan's original PSA order, and it was entirely for
Death records. As Mark Halpern says, parents' names are not usually
found in Death records, except sometimes in the case of infant or
still-births. For Tarnow almost all of the Birth records do contain the
parent's names. It was unusual, but when we created the JRI-Poland
index of the LDS microfilmed years (1808 - 1870) we did include the
parents' names in the index, and you will see these when searching
online. For the PSA years (1870 - 1900), led by Dennis Gries, we typed
in information >from simple indices that we purchased >from the PSA.
These did not include this additional information, so we could not
enter it and you will not see parents' names in our online database for
these years. Based on the records that I and others have ordered and
seen, however, this information is usually present in the Birth
records. For newer years that we are paying to have entered by workers
at the PSA (1900 - 1904) the additional information including parents'
names is included, so for these years (when it is online) you will
again see the parents' names in our online database.

This is all a long way of saying that although you do not see parents'
names in the Tarnow Birth records for the years 1870 - 1900, it is very
likely that it will be in record photocopies that you order. For other
years you will immediately see parents' names when you search the
JRI-Poland online database.

Howard Fink
Tarnow Shtetl & Archive Coordinator
Acton, Massachusetts

On Nov 14, 2005, Mark Halpern wrote:

Subject: Re: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow
records?
From: "Mark Halpern" <mark@halpern.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:53:21 -0500

[snipped information]

2) Order birth records first as they have the most genealogically
relevant information. Concentrate on the family of the mother.
Birth records always includes some information about the mother's
parents.

In Alan's case, if he has good reason to suspect that the BLASSER
family
could be his BLATT family, I would suggest ordering the 1877 birth as
it
will have more information that the earlier 1872 birth record.

Alan also mentioned that he ordered copies of Tarnow records before and
they came with absolutely no additional information. I would venture a
guess that he had ordered death records. Death records do have more
information than the index entry contains, but, in many cases, do not
have much genealogically valuable information.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Order Processing Coordinator


----- Original Message -----

I've just learned of two records in the PSA for the town of Tarnow.

BLASSER Bassie B 1872 1872 159 15

Which is interesting because, although the last name is not quite
right, the year is right for it to be the birth of my grandmother
Bessie BLATT who was born Sept 17,1872 in Tarnow - but
doesn't show up in any record I could find under the name Blatt.

Interestingly, there's also a
BLASER Basie B 1877 1877 634 18 15
in the Tarnow records, but the year is not what we thought.

To figure out whether either really is her, I'd need the names
of their parents - but the records I could find don't include
that. Just what you see above.

I could order photocopies of the original records through
JRI -Poland, but once before I tried ordering photocopies of a
bunch of records, and they came with absolutely no additional
information. Just exactly the same stuff that I'd gotten on line
- but harder to read. They went straight into the waste basket.

Have any of you ever ordered photocopies of Tarnow records
like these?

Did they have any additional information beyond what
was on line?

If the original record had parents' names, wouldn't
that have been included with the index information?

thanks,
Alan Wasser
New York
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Subject: RE: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow
From: "dennis gries" <dgries@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:01:06 -0500

Alan and others: Re: "Subject: Re: is there additional information in
photocopies of Tarnow records?

Yes, and I am emailing Alan with one of the .jpg files that I posted
onto
Viewmate a few months ago. Long story short: He will get the parents
of
both the father and the mother, the witnesses, if a boy - not the case
in
his request - the mohel, and additional notes. At least that is what I
received for two birth records for 1881 and 1884.

Best to all

Dennis Gries
Sarasota FL