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Re: Could two brothers both be nicknamed Alter? #galicia

ronni_kern@...
 

Ah, just fou8nd Chaya (Kate) Rost on my great grandfather's death certificate.  Now what?  Ronni Kern, Santa Monica, CA


Re: Could two brothers both be nicknamed Alter? #galicia

ronni_kern@...
 

Adam, all of your sleuthing and deductions are amazing.  Needless to say, I have been absolutely hopeless at deciphering the actual images in JRI-Poland (from AGAD) but your point about Gittel Kurz' hometown being specified whereas Chaya Rost's was not did tend to make me believe they were two different women .  On the other hand,  there are 5 birth records with Gittel Kurz as mother and only the single death record in which Chaya Rost's name appears so now t  am tempted to believe that they are the same woman and that the Gittel listed as Sossie's mother on the 1875 birth record is the same woman as the Chaya Rost who is listed on Sosie's death record in 1884 (though of course the child is listed as being exactly 7 years and 2 months which should have put her birth in 1877 and not 1875.)  Interestingly on Sossie's birth record under her mother's name either Rost or Rose is crossed out.  Of course, this could just have been the name of the midwife put in the wrong spot, crossed out and moved to the next column.

I have no knowledge of any relatives earlier than my great grandfather Chaim.  So I have no idea if he had a sister Jennie I have only been able to find one sibling for him, his brother Frank (or Favish) with whom he apparently did not get on but I am only just beginning my research on this part of my family so others may turn up.    And in all honesty, it probably was from JRI-Poland that I deduced my great great grandparents' names. The symmetry of Josef Isaac/Alter's father parents being  Chaim Elio and Sossie Kern which were in turn the names used for his children was pretty compelling. 

JRI-Poland did uncover a surprise for me when I discovered that Chaim Elias Kern and his wife Gittel Knecht had a boy named Usher in Zhitomir who died within 18 days.  (Usher was Gittel Knecht's father's name.)  On the boy's Zhitomir birth record only his mother was listed because I guess his parents were not considered "legally married" there.  On the boy's death in Chortkiv, however, both his parents are included and his father (my greatgrandfather) is listed as Chaim Eliasz Kern.  I am unable to read the column headings in many of these records but strangely on the boy's birth record in the 4th column from the right, the name Rost appears. So for the time being, at least, I am leaning to the opinion that all these Alter Kerns were the same guy.  Probably the bigger shock to me was that Kern was the family name in the Old Country since many family members have long believed it was an Americanization of Cohen. 

Ronni Kern
Santa Monica, CA


Re: Could two brothers both be nicknamed Alter? #galicia

ronni_kern@...
 

Adam, all of your sleuthing and deductions are amazing.  Needless to say, I have been absolutely hopeless at deciphering the actual images in JRI-Poland (from AGAD) but your point about Gittel Kurz' hometown being specified whereas Chaya Rost's was not did tend to make me believe they were two different women .  On the other hand,  there are 5 birth records with Gittel Kurz as mother and only the single death record in which Chaya Rost's name appears so now t  am tempted to believe that they are the same woman and that the Gittel listed as Sossie's mother on the 1875 birth record is the same woman as the Chaya Rost who is listed on Sosie's death record in 1884 (though of course the child is listed as being exactly 7 years and 2 months which should have put her birth in 1877 and not 1875.)  Interestingly on Sossie's birth record under her mother's name either Rost or Rose is crossed out.  Of course, this could just have been the name of the midwife put in the wrong spot, crossed out and moved to the next column.

I have no knowledge of any relatives earlier than my great grandfather Chaim.  So I have no idea if he had a sister Jennie I have only been able to find one sibling for him, his brother Frank (or Favish) with whom he apparently did not get on but I am only just beginning my research on this part of my family so others may turn up.    And in all honesty, it probably was from JRI-Poland that I deduced my great great grandparents' names. The symmetry of Josef Isaac/Alter's father parents being  Chaim Elio and Sossie Kern which were in turn the names used for his children was pretty compelling. 

JRI-Poland did uncover a surprise for me when I discovered that Chaim Elias Kern and his wife Gittel Knecht had a boy named Usher in Zhitomir who died within 18 days.  (Usher was Gittel Knecht's father's name.)  On the boy's Zhitomir birth record only his mother was listed because I guess his parents were not considered "legally married" there.  On the boy's death in Chortkiv, however, both his parents are included and his father (my greatgrandfather) is listed as Chaim Eliasz Kern.  I am unable to read the column headings in many of these records but strangely on the boy's birth record in the 4th column from the right, the name Rost appears. So for the time being, at least, I am leaning to the opinion that all these Alter Kerns were the same guy.  Probably the bigger shock to me was that Kern was the family name in the Old Country since many family members have long believed it was an Americanization of Cohen.


Can You Translate? #translation

Rosanne N Prichason
 

My great grandfather Sucher Needelman (might be him) is listed as Nudelman with three other people. I picked this document because census documents show immigration as 1888 with two similar names. This is the only ship document that, I have found.
I am able to translate Sura into Sarah. I cannot translate the child  Paja, and another name I can't read. He had daughters Lillian, Paulene, Ida and Sarah. Son, Solomon "Samuel." The document says they are meeting a brother. I have no information on any brothers of Sucher. I know that, people in Russia had Yiddish names, nick names and I am unclear whether Jews used Russian names or not. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rosanne Prichason
Lewes, Delaware USA
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ebachert@...
 

Paul and Johana Seidner, Ashkenazi Jews, arrived in Cuba in the 1920s. Paul, from Budapest, and Johana (Ella), from Timisoara, Romania, are believed to have sailed into Havana on the same ship. The data on the Cuban Jews in the early 20th century is extremely sparse; it seems most of the general Jewish data is related to WWII. Of the many Jewish research websites, where should I search for their departure port, ship, or sailing date? There's no disembarkation data anywhere and I don't know the route their ship may have taken. The last evidence of Paul (Pal) in Hungary comes from advertising for his electrician services. He was in the miliary prior to that (1918). In Havana, I do have photos of them from the 1930s onward (below right).

Please spell out organization names rather than give acronyms. Thank you!
   


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland @JewishGenUpdates #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake
 

Although it didn’t require the visit of holiday ghosts or lessons on the importance of opening one’s heart to others, “Shime-Leib the Miser” is a Scrooge-like redemption story. (This section from the Yizkor book of Ozarow, Poland is part of a longer chapter titled “Family” that is well-worth the read for its other stories by going to the book via the link below).

Shime-Leib had no use for friends (“They all lead you astray”) or girlfriends (“Only good for squeezing money out of you!”) His only pleasure was going to an inn on Saturdays where, “screwed into his chair, he would watch the others drink, never buying a drop for himself.”

But all that changed when townspeople took pity on a wife deserted by her husband and came up with the idea: “So why not arrange a little marriage between her and Shime-Leib? Sure, he's stingy and cantankerous....but even he has a heart like everyone else. If she were kind to him, maybe he would change.”

He did. And like the reformed Scrooge, he took under his wing his own version of Tiny Tim.

 

 


--
Bruce Drake
Silver Spring, MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: Commemorating the Jews of Tuchyn: A Holocaust history exhibit – by Saskia Lascarez Casanova #holocaust #ukraine

Sniderlh
 

Very interesting.  A thoughtful, well done presentation I think will engage people in different ways.
--
Leah Heilpern Snider
Silverdale, Washington/ USA


Kaunas Regional State Archives - Excellent Service #lithuania

Stephen Katz
 

I wish to acknowledge the excellent service provided to me by the Kaunas [Lithuania] Regional State Archives. I submitted a request for documents to the Archives on August 31. They responded very quickly with information as to the cost and details as to payment. I wired payment to them on September 7, and, on September 9, they sent the documents to me by email. Nine days, from beginning to end. Their communications to me were in excellent English and provided exactly the information I needed. It was a very positive experience.
Stephen KATZ


Name Confusion #records

b_nye008@...
 

I am doing research into my Hungarian Kohn Family and am finding some with the last name Karpati.  I know I am finding the correct people.  My great uncle Jeno Kohn came to the US after the Holocaust, but his Displaced Persons Card shows Jeno Karpati and family.  Can anyone shed light on this?  Jeno was born in Vasarosamany Hungary 10 Oct 1903.

Barbara Kahn Nye
Kahn, Kohn, Schwartz, Kepecs


Re: Searching for family of Heddy GLEICH born in Vienna 1924 #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish
 

George,

Heddy BROOK passed on in 2019, according to this Ancestry.com database:
England and Wales, Death Index
Name: MS Heddy Brook
Gender: Female
Last Residence: London, England
Postal Code District: Sw12
Death Date: 7 Oct 2019
Both Heddy & Henry BROOK were listed in electoral registers at this address as late as 2010, according to info available at Ancestry.com.
Flat 20, 45, Marlborough Place, NW8 0PX, London.

A search for births at:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
using surname BROOK and spouse's surname GLEICH gets no hits.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

Searching:
RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)




Re: Prezlau vs Przelav vs Przeclaw vs ?? #records

Alan Reische
 

Thanks Sheryl. All of the records that identify place of origin for the family indicate 'Austria', 'Osterreich' or some variation thereof. Unless Prenzlau was located in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, I'd guess its not a fit but I appreciate your suggestion.
--
Alan Reische
Manchester NH
areische39@...


Re: Searching for family of Heddy GLEICH born in Vienna 1924 #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

Michael Hoffman
 

Hi George,

You should use this UK website https://www.freebmd.org.ukl to search for the marriage 
of Heddy Gleich and then search for any children of the marriage. This is a free to search website.

Michael Hoffman
Borehamwood,
HERTS, UK 


Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Ittai Hershman
 

On Jewish cremation in the UK, in the first instance see: https://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Affiliations/JJBS.htm

The Jewish Joint Burial Society (JJBS) was founded to provides funerals (burial or cremation) for synagogue members as part of the benefits of belonging to a particular synagogue. Currently, JJBS has some 40 member synagogues spread across the Reform, Masorti and Liberal Movements, as well as Independent synagogues, covering in total over 17,000 synagogue members.(1
Emphasis mine.  Sent to group as it may be of wider interest given prevailing assumptions about it being taboo.

Ittai Hershman
New York City


Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

skparker@...
 

I did not perceive your comments as a suggestion someone was not Jewish. And I also make up stories as I try to unravel the lives of those I research.   No worries!!!!!    I have wondered about the husband as well.  His grave at Graceland is not photographed and I am miles and miles away from there.  Graceland does I beleive have a jewish section.  I know that her father Nathan died in 1888. He is buried somewhere in Waldheim but also has not been photographed, and may or may not have a stone.  Her brother who was widowed and living with her and her husband in the 1900 census (he had a 7 year old son) did marry a woman who was baptised in the Evangelical Methodist church and was born in Norway. He had one more son with her, then she died as well.  Late in life he married again, before dying in 1933. No photo of his headstone either. One of her brothers adopted the surname Kane.  I was unable to find anything on her mother that was definative. It will remain a mystery. 
--
Sandra Parker


Re: Prezlau vs Przelav vs Przeclaw vs ?? #records

David Jacobowitz
 

My cousin spells the family name Presslaff or Pressloff. They have an ancestor named 
Abraham BRESSLAU OR BRESSLOFF
https://www.geni.com/people/Abraham-Presslaff/6000000019540131193

When you look up Bresslau, Google takes you to Breslau which points to the Polish city of

Wrocław

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wroc%C5%82aw

On the other. hand 

Maybe this is the. hint you need.

David Jacobowitz


Split Croatia Jewish Cemetery Inscription Question #translation

Barbara London
 


I have just visited the Old Jewish Cemetery in Split Croatia.
 
Many tombstones are engraved at top with:  צ מ ק
 
Is anyone familiar with what this represents? Thank you.
 
Barb Snider, Chicago
 
 


Jewish Surnames in Kobe, Japan #names

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Genners,

The Jewish community in Kobe started in the midst of the 19th century when Japan began  opening to the West. The first Jews who arrived there were traders from Aleppo and then joined by

Baghdadis who arrived via Shanghai. After the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia a wave of Jews arrived there and started an Ashkenazi community. During WW2 most all the Jews who were granted a

visa to Japan by the Japanese Consul in Kaunas, Sugihara arrived to Kobe before moving to Shanghai. I intend to write an article  about the Jews who lived there and as a Genner need surnames.

If you know of people who lived there(not as WW2 refugees) please let me know. Any help or tip will be appreciated. I believe that I know most of the articles about the community there.

Jacob Rosen

Jerusalem


Re: DP CAMP VIENNA SEPTEMBER 1949 #austria-czech

tzipporah batami
 

Are you sure they flew? It was possible to enter Czechoslovakia from Hungary where Hungarian and Slovakian Jews were collecting first is Kosice and then to Bratislava on the way to Rothschild. From there there is a log about where everyone was sent, depending on health and on where they planned to emigrate and where there was room. Feigie Teichman


Re: DP CAMP VIENNA SEPTEMBER 1949 #austria-czech

tzipporah batami
 

My mom and her remaining family also went this way. Contact YIVO library and their sister organization CJE archivists and ask for photos of the DP camps they have. The USHMM has alot of data.as well as the archivist at JDC because the JDC did vocational training at the DP camps. Let us know please what you find.  Feigie Teichman


Re: Town ID needed #galicia

Rodney Eisfelder
 

Tammy,

Try Pełkinie which is about 20km north east of Kanczuga.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

3541 - 3560 of 675077