Name Confusion #records


I am doing research into my Hungarian Kohn Family and am finding some with the last name Karpati.  I know I am finding the correct people.  My great uncle Jeno Kohn came to the US after the Holocaust, but his Displaced Persons Card shows Jeno Karpati and family.  Can anyone shed light on this?  Jeno was born in Vasarosamany Hungary 10 Oct 1903.

Barbara Kahn Nye
Kahn, Kohn, Schwartz, Kepecs

Re: Searching for family of Heddy GLEICH born in Vienna 1924 #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

Sherri Bobish


Heddy BROOK passed on in 2019, according to this database:
England and Wales, Death Index
Name: MS Heddy Brook
Gender: Female
Last Residence: London, England
Postal Code District: Sw12
Death Date: 7 Oct 2019
Both Heddy & Henry BROOK were listed in electoral registers at this address as late as 2010, according to info available at
Flat 20, 45, Marlborough Place, NW8 0PX, London.

A search for births at:
using surname BROOK and spouse's surname GLEICH gets no hits.

Good luck in your search,

Sherri Bobish

RATOWSKY / CHAIMSON (Ariogala, Lith.); LEFFENFELD / FINK / KALTER (Daliowa & Jasliska, Pol.)
BOJDA / BLEIWEISS (Tarnow & Tarnobrzeg, Pol.); WALTZMAN / WALZMAN (Ustrzyki Dolne, Pol.)
LEVY (Tyrawa Woloska, Pol.); SOLON / SOLAN / SOKOLSKY (Grodek, Bialystok, Pol.)
BOBISH / BLUMENKRANZ / APPEL / WEINER / ROSENBERG (Vysoko-Litovsk, Brest, Biala Podlaska)

Re: Prezlau vs Przelav vs Przeclaw vs ?? #records

Alan Reische

Thanks Sheryl. All of the records that identify place of origin for the family indicate 'Austria', 'Osterreich' or some variation thereof. Unless Prenzlau was located in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, I'd guess its not a fit but I appreciate your suggestion.
Alan Reische
Manchester NH

Re: Searching for family of Heddy GLEICH born in Vienna 1924 #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

Michael Hoffman

Hi George,

You should use this UK website to search for the marriage 
of Heddy Gleich and then search for any children of the marriage. This is a free to search website.

Michael Hoffman

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Ittai Hershman

On Jewish cremation in the UK, in the first instance see:

The Jewish Joint Burial Society (JJBS) was founded to provides funerals (burial or cremation) for synagogue members as part of the benefits of belonging to a particular synagogue. Currently, JJBS has some 40 member synagogues spread across the Reform, Masorti and Liberal Movements, as well as Independent synagogues, covering in total over 17,000 synagogue members.(1
Emphasis mine.  Sent to group as it may be of wider interest given prevailing assumptions about it being taboo.

Ittai Hershman
New York City

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa


I did not perceive your comments as a suggestion someone was not Jewish. And I also make up stories as I try to unravel the lives of those I research.   No worries!!!!!    I have wondered about the husband as well.  His grave at Graceland is not photographed and I am miles and miles away from there.  Graceland does I beleive have a jewish section.  I know that her father Nathan died in 1888. He is buried somewhere in Waldheim but also has not been photographed, and may or may not have a stone.  Her brother who was widowed and living with her and her husband in the 1900 census (he had a 7 year old son) did marry a woman who was baptised in the Evangelical Methodist church and was born in Norway. He had one more son with her, then she died as well.  Late in life he married again, before dying in 1933. No photo of his headstone either. One of her brothers adopted the surname Kane.  I was unable to find anything on her mother that was definative. It will remain a mystery. 
Sandra Parker

Re: Prezlau vs Przelav vs Przeclaw vs ?? #records

David Jacobowitz

My cousin spells the family name Presslaff or Pressloff. They have an ancestor named 

When you look up Bresslau, Google takes you to Breslau which points to the Polish city of


On the other. hand 

Maybe this is the. hint you need.

David Jacobowitz

Split Croatia Jewish Cemetery Inscription Question #translation

Barbara London

I have just visited the Old Jewish Cemetery in Split Croatia.
Many tombstones are engraved at top with:  צ מ ק
Is anyone familiar with what this represents? Thank you.
Barb Snider, Chicago

Jewish Surnames in Kobe, Japan #names

Abuwasta Abuwasta

Dear Genners,

The Jewish community in Kobe started in the midst of the 19th century when Japan began  opening to the West. The first Jews who arrived there were traders from Aleppo and then joined by

Baghdadis who arrived via Shanghai. After the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia a wave of Jews arrived there and started an Ashkenazi community. During WW2 most all the Jews who were granted a

visa to Japan by the Japanese Consul in Kaunas, Sugihara arrived to Kobe before moving to Shanghai. I intend to write an article  about the Jews who lived there and as a Genner need surnames.

If you know of people who lived there(not as WW2 refugees) please let me know. Any help or tip will be appreciated. I believe that I know most of the articles about the community there.

Jacob Rosen


Re: DP CAMP VIENNA SEPTEMBER 1949 #austria-czech

tzipporah batami

Are you sure they flew? It was possible to enter Czechoslovakia from Hungary where Hungarian and Slovakian Jews were collecting first is Kosice and then to Bratislava on the way to Rothschild. From there there is a log about where everyone was sent, depending on health and on where they planned to emigrate and where there was room. Feigie Teichman

Re: DP CAMP VIENNA SEPTEMBER 1949 #austria-czech

tzipporah batami

My mom and her remaining family also went this way. Contact YIVO library and their sister organization CJE archivists and ask for photos of the DP camps they have. The USHMM has alot of well as the archivist at JDC because the JDC did vocational training at the DP camps. Let us know please what you find.  Feigie Teichman

Re: Town ID needed #galicia

Rodney Eisfelder


Try Pełkinie which is about 20km north east of Kanczuga.

I hope this helps,
Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia

1850/1887 cadastral map of Mielec now on Gesher Galicia's Map Room #galicia #poland #ukraine

Jay Osborn

Today there's another beautiful and useful historical cadastral map on the Gesher Galicia Map Room, this time depicting the town of Mielec near Tarnów and Rzeszów (today in Poland) from land surveys in 1850 and 1887:

It's a complete lithographed final-stage property map, annotated with building parcel numbers and land parcel numbers but not house numbers:

The 1887 update shows many significant changes to parcel boundaries and even to the structure of the town. Besides new buildings added to previously empty areas plus land parcel divisions and joins, large sections of the town center appear to have been completely rebuilt and not on the 1850 building footprints. Histories of Mielec describe a number of disasters in the town and region even before WWI, including floods and fires; it is possible the 1887 survey records town renewal after one or more of these events. The revision also shows many German-language labels changed to Polish-language equivalents.

Although not a large town in 1850, Mielec was already well developed with civil and religious community buildings and lands. By 1887, a new bridge over the Wisłoka River had replaced the earlier ferry, and a right-of-way was granted near the Jewish cemetery for the railroad planned to serve the town.

This digital map was processed and presented in interactive format by Gesher Galicia. The original paper map is preserved by the Polish State Archive in Przemyśl. To see many more historical maps of Galician cities, towns, and villages, visit the Gesher Galicia Map Room:

Jay Osborn
Gesher Galicia Digital Maps Manager
Lviv, Ukraine

Re: Kohen Hands on Woman's grave stone #usa

Odeda Zlotnick

Since my two previous responses were not posted in the order they were sent, and seemed to have been somewhat misunderstood, I'll try to clarify:

We have a case of a widow buried in a Jewish cemetery.
  1. Her maiden name is mentioned (not usual)
  2. Her father's name in not mentioned (not usual)
  3. There is an image of a cohen's hands which usually indicate that a buried person belongs to the tribe of Levi, who supplied the priests (cohanim) for the temple. (not usual on a female's grave)
  4. Her maiden name was Kahn - which usually means there is a long line of males going back to the tribe of Levi - that is back to biblical times.
  5. The emphasis on her belonging to a family with a very very old tradition is in contrast to there being no Hebrew text on the stone.
  6. Her husband who died first is not buried in the same cemetery
  7. Furthermore, she was not buried near her husband either

So I imagined a story:
Was Mr. Dawson Jewish? If not, was she perhaps disinherited by her parents? Some strictly religious parents even sit Shiva on a descendant who marries outside the faith.Is the stone the brothers' way of stating "she does too belong to our family!"?
Let me emphasize: my imagined story and my post about it came first and had nothing at all to do with cremation.
After that I noticed that the husband was buried in a cemetery with a chapel and a crematorium which - I thought -- supports the probability of the story I imagined.

Of course there are Jews who eat bacon, have their bodies cremated, eat bread on Passover, do not fast on Yom Kippur, don't keep the Sabbath, etc. etc. that is not the issue I was thinking of. I did not say - or think - "he was not Jewish because he was cremated". 

If anyone has detailed info about Jewish cemeteries with crematoria, and when these cemeteries were established, I would be very interested in it - you can reply in private.  I did not mean, and do not mean to get into a discussion of who is or is not Jewish.

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

Re: Certificate and record of Marriage in NY city with two numbers causing search problems #records #usa

Brian Kerr

Typically when there's 2 sets of numbers, one set is tied to the "Marriage Certificate" and the other set is tied to the "Marriage License Application".

A majority/most of the Marriage License Applications aren't indexed by name because they typically have 2 or more pages and the electronic indexing system that NYC uses has a bit of difficulty with them as the structure of the Application Documents were different by Borough and Date Ranges whereas a majority of the Certificates were/became standard (in structure) for all the Boroughs.

This is the reason that, when you search using the Marriage License Application Number, those results reflect something that resembles the following example.

L-M-1910-00019624 Not Indexed

I hope I had explained this okay via text...

Good Luck!

-- ~Brian D. Kerr, Esq | SSG, U.S. Army (Retired) | SSA, Brigade G1, U.S. Army (Retired) |>>Known Family Surnames (Researching): Dessler, Walk(Valk), Mahler (Maler), Paradisgarten (Paradisegarten), Tomasy (Thomashy), Gluck, Preisz (Priess), Steinhardt (Steinhart), Grossman (Grosman), Sholtz (Shultz), Kaplan, Bloom, Fischer (Fisher), Levy, Baum, Duwidewic, Meisal (Maisel)<<|>>Known Family Locations/Regions (of Surnames): Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Hungary, Lithuania<<|

Seeking genealogist recommendation in San Francisco Bay Area #ukraine #galicia


I’d like to enlist some professional help in order to get more traction on my tree and breaking through some walls. My kin are from Przemsyl, Galicia, Kamenents Podolsk, and Minsk.

Can anyone recommend someone to assist me?— or suggest a good place to look?I live in San Francisco and would prefer to be able to meet in person to conduct the research together. 

Thanks in advance!
Adam Morrison

Certificate and record of Marriage in NY city with two numbers causing search problems #records #usa

angel kosfiszer

Is there a look up table that links the two numbers (19545 is cutoff on the top) and 19624, on some of the Certificates, as shown in the image?. The index of marriages available on provides only one number, so does And the Historical Vital records of NY images is indexed by the 19545 series. Why do they have 2 numbers?

Angel Kosfiszer

Richardson, Texas

Town ID needed #galicia


I would appreciate your help in identifying the last word on this cropped portion of a death record from Kanczuga. I think it is a name of a town but am having trouble deciphering the handwriting.
Thank you,
Tammy Weingarten

Searching for family of Heddy GLEICH born in Vienna 1924 #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

George Fogelson

Max GLEICH had a daughter Heddy Gleich born 11/30/1924 in Vienna. I believe she married Henry Brook in London. I have family photos from Vienna I would like to share. 
I may be reached at:
Redondo Beach, CA

Discussion Group Chat with Avrohom Krauss #announcements

Avrohom Krauss

Just a friendly reminder to all those IAJGS conference attendees who may be interested in joining a Discussion Group chat- "All About Death Records” that we will convene this upcoming Sunday, Sep 11 at 2:00 PM (Eastern). Please go to the Conference Chat Room and look for "Discussion Groups." Click on plus sign and search for "All About Death Records.” Click “join” to join the text chat and then click to enter the video chat. It will be an open forum (for conference attendees only) to discuss my recent presentation on the subject of death records or your own thorny problem. Bring your questions, comments and experiences with you. See you there!
Avrohom Krauss
Kiryat Yearim (Telz-Stone) ISRAEL
Researching: KRAUS, GOTTFRIED, MONAT from PRZEMYSL (Galicia) Poland/ KINSTLICH, GREENBERG, SCHMIDT from Tarnobrzeg, Rozwadow, Ulanow (Galicia) Poland
KLOTZ from Telsiai, Lithuania/ ROGOZIN, KAPLOWITZ, from Vyazyn, Ilya, Vilyayka, Belarus /LAPIDUS, SOKOLSKY, ROGOZIN, Maladzyechna, Belarus

Avrohom Krauss
Kiryat Yearim (Telz-Stone) ISRAEL
Researching: KRAUS, GOTTFRIED, MONAT from PRZEMYSL (Galicia) Poland/ KINSTLICH, GREENBERG, SCHMIDT from Tarnobrzeg, Rozwadow, Ulanow (Galicia) Poland
KLOTZ from Telsiai, Lithuania/ ROGOZIN, KAPLOWITZ, from Vyazyn, Ilya, Vilyayka, Belarus /LAPIDUS, SOKOLSKY, ROGOZIN, Maladzyechna, Belarus 

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