I agree with Hadassah. In our household the Latkes are eaten "as is"
or, sometimes as a side dish with a meal. My background is >from
Galicia an all sides. I do know some people used sugar. As far as
apple sauce and or sour cream I only heard about it when I came to the US.

We should not confuse Potato Latkes eaten at Chanukah with Matzo meal
Latkes eaten at Pessach. The Matzo Meal Latkes were always eaten
with a sugar - cinnamon mixture.

Susana Leistner Bloch


Hadassah Lipsius wrote:

I agree with Hadassah. In our household the Latkes are eaten "as is"
or, sometimes as a side dish with a meal. My background is >from
Galicia an all sides. I do know some people used sugar. As far as
apple sauce and or sour cream I only heard about it when I came to the US.

We should not confuse Potato Latkes eaten at Chanukah with Matzo meal
Latkes eaten at Pessach. The Matzo Meal Latkes were always eaten
with a sugar - cinnamon mixture.

Susana Leistner Bloch


Hadassah Lipsius wrote:

Dear Moderator
Please may we publicise our new guide as a one off only - thank you.


NEW GUIDE - NEW GUIDE - NEW GUIDE

Visit the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's web-site on:
www.jgsgb.org.uk for information and ordering our publications by Paypal.

This NEW GUIDE in the 'Jewish Ancestor' series is hot off the press and
packed with an abundance of helpful information. If you need to find a
Jewish cemetery within the UK, then I believe we have listed most of them
giving some indication on when they opened and closed, who is responsible
for their up-keep and records plus details of the location in order to help
people visiting the UK >from overseas. If you don't know what a specific
archive, library etc may hold in the way of Jewish genealogical material
and resources, then this guide will give you the answer. You may just find
the vital clue you are looking for to continue your research.

A GUIDE TO JEWISH GENEALOGY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM

ISBN: 09537669 7 7

Paperback - 144 pages

Available: 1st January 2006

Price: £5.95 plus 80p p&p (UK) £3.00 p&p/US$16.00 includes postage(Overseas)


This new and enlarged publication updates and augments our previous
Beginner's Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Great Britain. It now incorporates
the whole of the UK and not just Great Britain and is designed
specifically with the family historian in mind, (whether or not a beginner)
since the majority of information is given under town headings - invaluable
for anyone researching their family in the UK.

The Guide includes detailed information about the (Jewish) holdings of the
various resource centres throughout the UK with a large section specifically
on London and the home counties (details of the records of the Anglo-Jewish
community held at the London Metropolitan Archives)
including Archives, Libraries, Museums, Record Offices, Synagogues etc.

It has a very large section on Using Public Records (vital records, passport
records, adoption records, census records, wills/probate, electoral
registers, naturalization records, shipping records, trade directories,
military records etc) plus information on Cemeteries, Computers
and the internet, Mormon family history centres (including a list of films
of Jewish interest held at the LDS in London)
Hospital records, Burial records and Marriage records. A full list
of Jewish cemeteries throughout the United Kingdom is given with information
about each and where they are located. There is a Bibliography; where many
of the books relate specifically to individual towns and much, much more.

We trust that this book will help to locate the records for which you are
looking.
__________________________________________________________
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Britain.

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OTHER GUIDES IN THE 'JEWISH ANCESTOR' SERIES - FULL DETAILS ON OUR WEB-SITE:
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A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Germany & Austria
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia & Estonia (SOLD OUT - NEW GUIDE DUE
SPRING 2006)
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Lithuania
A Guide to Organising your Family History Records
A Guide to Reading Hebrew Inscriptions and Documents
Genealogical Resources within the Jewish Home and Family

Rosemary Wenzerul
Publications Department
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain
Publications@...

Dear Moderator
Please may we publicise our new guide as a one off only - thank you.


NEW GUIDE - NEW GUIDE - NEW GUIDE

Visit the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's web-site on:
www.jgsgb.org.uk for information and ordering our publications by Paypal.

This NEW GUIDE in the 'Jewish Ancestor' series is hot off the press and
packed with an abundance of helpful information. If you need to find a
Jewish cemetery within the UK, then I believe we have listed most of them
giving some indication on when they opened and closed, who is responsible
for their up-keep and records plus details of the location in order to help
people visiting the UK >from overseas. If you don't know what a specific
archive, library etc may hold in the way of Jewish genealogical material
and resources, then this guide will give you the answer. You may just find
the vital clue you are looking for to continue your research.

A GUIDE TO JEWISH GENEALOGY IN THE UNITED KINGDOM

ISBN: 09537669 7 7

Paperback - 144 pages

Available: 1st January 2006

Price: £5.95 plus 80p p&p (UK) £3.00 p&p/US$16.00 includes postage(Overseas)


This new and enlarged publication updates and augments our previous
Beginner's Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Great Britain. It now incorporates
the whole of the UK and not just Great Britain and is designed
specifically with the family historian in mind, (whether or not a beginner)
since the majority of information is given under town headings - invaluable
for anyone researching their family in the UK.

The Guide includes detailed information about the (Jewish) holdings of the
various resource centres throughout the UK with a large section specifically
on London and the home counties (details of the records of the Anglo-Jewish
community held at the London Metropolitan Archives)
including Archives, Libraries, Museums, Record Offices, Synagogues etc.

It has a very large section on Using Public Records (vital records, passport
records, adoption records, census records, wills/probate, electoral
registers, naturalization records, shipping records, trade directories,
military records etc) plus information on Cemeteries, Computers
and the internet, Mormon family history centres (including a list of films
of Jewish interest held at the LDS in London)
Hospital records, Burial records and Marriage records. A full list
of Jewish cemeteries throughout the United Kingdom is given with information
about each and where they are located. There is a Bibliography; where many
of the books relate specifically to individual towns and much, much more.

We trust that this book will help to locate the records for which you are
looking.
__________________________________________________________
PAYMENT BY:

PayPal: via our web-site www.jgsgb.org.uk

Credit Cards: Mastercard, Visa and Maestro only.(Maestro cards - need start
and expiry dates please).

Cheques: with orders payable to Jewish Genealogical Society of Great
Britain.

POST TO: JGSGB Publications, PO Box 180, St. Albans, Herts. AL2 3WH.
England. U.K.

E-mail: publications@...
____________________________________________________________

OTHER GUIDES IN THE 'JEWISH ANCESTOR' SERIES - FULL DETAILS ON OUR WEB-SITE:
www.jgsgb.org.uk

A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Germany & Austria
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Latvia & Estonia (SOLD OUT - NEW GUIDE DUE
SPRING 2006)
A Guide to Jewish Genealogy in Lithuania
A Guide to Organising your Family History Records
A Guide to Reading Hebrew Inscriptions and Documents
Genealogical Resources within the Jewish Home and Family

Rosemary Wenzerul
Publications Department
Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain
Publications@...

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:00:30 +0100 <jacqueline.pollak@...> wrote:

> I am searching for Treitlers who went >from Stanislawow (to-day
Ivano-Frankosk in Ukraine) to
> the USA. I would like to trace a Michael Treitler (son of Peretz
Treitler and Hesie Pollak) born
> in Pazieczna Stanislawow in 1872. I see him arriving in Ellis Island in
1902. He was married with Feige Lipsh=FCtz and had probably a daughter
called Chaje Breindel born in 1901.

Please check the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR)
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/. A number of years ago I
cataloged the 17 Stanislawower plots in the New York metropolitan area and
submitted them to the JOWBR.

There you will find 5 people with the surname TREITLER who are buried in
the Independent Stanislauer Lodge #459 IOBA, Section A, Gate 109 at Baron
Hirsch Cemetery in Staten Island, NY. One is Max (Michal ben Peretz), who
died 14-Feb-1928 and another is his wife Fannie (Feiga bat Mordechai
Yitzchak LIPSHITZ), who died 07-Feb-1923. Also a son Morris, who died
20-May-1932 when he was only 26 years old.

Ada Green
adagreen@...

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:00:30 +0100 <jacqueline.pollak@...> wrote:

> I am searching for Treitlers who went >from Stanislawow (to-day
Ivano-Frankosk in Ukraine) to
> the USA. I would like to trace a Michael Treitler (son of Peretz
Treitler and Hesie Pollak) born
> in Pazieczna Stanislawow in 1872. I see him arriving in Ellis Island in
1902. He was married with Feige Lipsh=FCtz and had probably a daughter
called Chaje Breindel born in 1901.

Please check the JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry (JOWBR)
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/. A number of years ago I
cataloged the 17 Stanislawower plots in the New York metropolitan area and
submitted them to the JOWBR.

There you will find 5 people with the surname TREITLER who are buried in
the Independent Stanislauer Lodge #459 IOBA, Section A, Gate 109 at Baron
Hirsch Cemetery in Staten Island, NY. One is Max (Michal ben Peretz), who
died 14-Feb-1928 and another is his wife Fannie (Feiga bat Mordechai
Yitzchak LIPSHITZ), who died 07-Feb-1923. Also a son Morris, who died
20-May-1932 when he was only 26 years old.

Ada Green
adagreen@...

Beryl,

For Woodstock I remember as follows over the period you describe:

Principal, late 30's and 40's, Rev S Kassel. Teachers Mr Kaplan, Mr
Smolensky, Miss Sacher. When I started in the late thirties we did have an
Israeli teacher - Tamara Samsonava who was also an actress. After Rev Kassel
left for the Gardens Shul, his successor as principal eventually was Mr.
Lederman. If you want more details I will have to dig into my Woodstock
records.

This as much as I can recall at the moment.
I believe that Observatory/Mowbray had a cheder under Rabbi Isaacson.
Probably most of the suburbs >from Camps Bay to Bellville had chedorim.

Mike

Beryl,

For Woodstock I remember as follows over the period you describe:

Principal, late 30's and 40's, Rev S Kassel. Teachers Mr Kaplan, Mr
Smolensky, Miss Sacher. When I started in the late thirties we did have an
Israeli teacher - Tamara Samsonava who was also an actress. After Rev Kassel
left for the Gardens Shul, his successor as principal eventually was Mr.
Lederman. If you want more details I will have to dig into my Woodstock
records.

This as much as I can recall at the moment.
I believe that Observatory/Mowbray had a cheder under Rabbi Isaacson.
Probably most of the suburbs >from Camps Bay to Bellville had chedorim.

Mike

My father, Clive Fryde, who was bar mitzvah in 1944 went to Mr Kuperman's
cheder. He can't remember the name of the street but it was opposite South
African College High School (SACS) in a part of Cape Town known as The
Gardens.

Regards,
Vivienne Fleet (nee Fryde)
England


From: "Beryl. B" <balden@...>
Reply-To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@...>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@...>
Subject: [safrica] Cheders in Cape Town
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:18:28 +0200

Does anyone perhaps know which Towns in the Cape,
besides Hope Street, Cape Town had afternoon Cheder classes in the 1940's -
1950's.?
(I am only interested in the period between 1945 -
1955).
If someone remembers names of Teachers, especially
ones who came >from Israel during
this period I would also greatly appreciate that knowledge.

Thank you

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...

My father, Clive Fryde, who was bar mitzvah in 1944 went to Mr Kuperman's
cheder. He can't remember the name of the street but it was opposite South
African College High School (SACS) in a part of Cape Town known as The
Gardens.

Regards,
Vivienne Fleet (nee Fryde)
England


From: "Beryl. B" <balden@...>
Reply-To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@...>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@...>
Subject: [safrica] Cheders in Cape Town
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:18:28 +0200

Does anyone perhaps know which Towns in the Cape,
besides Hope Street, Cape Town had afternoon Cheder classes in the 1940's -
1950's.?
(I am only interested in the period between 1945 -
1955).
If someone remembers names of Teachers, especially
ones who came >from Israel during
this period I would also greatly appreciate that knowledge.

Thank you

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@...

Paarl had a Talmud Torah in that time. I attended till 1963. We did not
have Israeli teachers in the 50's, but we did have an Israeli couple in
the early 60's. They moved to Cape Town and became teachers at Herzlia.
They were wonderful teachers, unfortunately I can't remember their
names.
Kelvyn Abramowitz

Paarl had a Talmud Torah in that time. I attended till 1963. We did not
have Israeli teachers in the 50's, but we did have an Israeli couple in
the early 60's. They moved to Cape Town and became teachers at Herzlia.
They were wonderful teachers, unfortunately I can't remember their
names.
Kelvyn Abramowitz

I went to cheder in Wynberg. Cape Town, in the 50's.
I have the Centenary book of the community which has the names
of the teachers.
Tessia Gordin

I went to cheder in Wynberg. Cape Town, in the 50's.
I have the Centenary book of the community which has the names
of the teachers.
Tessia Gordin

On my grandparents ketubah my grandfather's name is written as Tuvia Mical.
The Hebrew letters for his second name are "mem yod caf lamed'. Firstly I
didn't know he had a second name, and more important I do not know the name
Mical.
Is anyone acquainted with this name? Is this a popular name? Has it any
signficance?
Looking forward to your replies.

Best regards,

Trevor (Tuvia) Waner
Rehovot, Israel
Formally Springs, South Africa

On my grandparents ketubah my grandfather's name is written as Tuvia Mical.
The Hebrew letters for his second name are "mem yod caf lamed'. Firstly I
didn't know he had a second name, and more important I do not know the name
Mical.
Is anyone acquainted with this name? Is this a popular name? Has it any
signficance?
Looking forward to your replies.

Best regards,

Trevor (Tuvia) Waner
Rehovot, Israel
Formally Springs, South Africa

Not to add fuel to a dying fire, but my paternal uncle (Sidney SEGAL) always
used to point, quite proudly, to a tiny blue freckle on his ear and tell us
that this mark was his "Mongolian Blue Spot." He also insisted that it was a
very common physical characteristic among European Jews whose families had
come to New York >from Lithuania, as both of his parents had done.

This subject may have been addressed by this Forum, but I cannot recall for
sure.

Nonetheless, according to the Internet, the "Mongolian Blue Spot" or the
"Asian Blue Spot" is an acknowledged pigmentation in certain people who have
some distant Asian blood. The Lithuanian section of a paid-for genealogy site
does acknowledge this as a rare occurence in Lithuania, and links it to the
Tatars.

On the other hand, if my map reading is correct, what had been Czarist
Lithuania is almost a continent away >from the Asian border of Czarist Russia.
Even allowing for raping, pillaging Mongols, did their reach extend into
Lithuania?

So, would the blue spot be considered another physical manifestation of an
individual's region of ancestry? And are any other researchers aware of it?
Is it really common among the Litvaks?

Judy SEGAL
New York City

MODERATOR'S NOTE: With this message, the thread on physical characteristics
is ended. Please send any information on the Mongolian blue spot among
Litvaks to Judy privately and she can share a summary of the responses
with the list.

Not to add fuel to a dying fire, but my paternal uncle (Sidney SEGAL) always
used to point, quite proudly, to a tiny blue freckle on his ear and tell us
that this mark was his "Mongolian Blue Spot." He also insisted that it was a
very common physical characteristic among European Jews whose families had
come to New York >from Lithuania, as both of his parents had done.

This subject may have been addressed by this Forum, but I cannot recall for
sure.

Nonetheless, according to the Internet, the "Mongolian Blue Spot" or the
"Asian Blue Spot" is an acknowledged pigmentation in certain people who have
some distant Asian blood. The Lithuanian section of a paid-for genealogy site
does acknowledge this as a rare occurence in Lithuania, and links it to the
Tatars.

On the other hand, if my map reading is correct, what had been Czarist
Lithuania is almost a continent away >from the Asian border of Czarist Russia.
Even allowing for raping, pillaging Mongols, did their reach extend into
Lithuania?

So, would the blue spot be considered another physical manifestation of an
individual's region of ancestry? And are any other researchers aware of it?
Is it really common among the Litvaks?

Judy SEGAL
New York City

MODERATOR'S NOTE: With this message, the thread on physical characteristics
is ended. Please send any information on the Mongolian blue spot among
Litvaks to Judy privately and she can share a summary of the responses
with the list.

Would someone be willing to lookup something for me in the 1915 NYC Census?
I have the address on Saratoga Avenue, Brooklyn, for a Lena Choritz and her
son Jacob Choritz in the 1920 U.S. Census. They came to NYC in 1910 and are
not found in the 1910 U.S. Census nor the Ellis Island records, so I was
hoping to find something on them in 1915.

I would like to find the name of Lena's husband and Jacob's father, if
possible, so I can determine who this family belongs to on my family tree as
we have never heard of them before. The name is quite a rare one, so they
must be related somehow.

Please respond privately.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

Would someone be willing to lookup something for me in the 1915 NYC Census?
I have the address on Saratoga Avenue, Brooklyn, for a Lena Choritz and her
son Jacob Choritz in the 1920 U.S. Census. They came to NYC in 1910 and are
not found in the 1910 U.S. Census nor the Ellis Island records, so I was
hoping to find something on them in 1915.

I would like to find the name of Lena's husband and Jacob's father, if
possible, so I can determine who this family belongs to on my family tree as
we have never heard of them before. The name is quite a rare one, so they
must be related somehow.

Please respond privately.

Thanks,
Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...