Dear All,
Once again I was able to update my website with two more name adoption lists:

KÖLN 1808 www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Koeln.htm
and

Department of BONN 1846 with BEUEL; COMBAHN; VILICH-RHEINDORF;
SCHWARZ-RHEINDORF and GEISLAR

www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Depbonn.htm

More lists can be found under www.a-h-b.de/AHB/links_e.htm

With best regards
Wolfgang Fritzsche, prof. Genealogist, Germany Mainz-Wiesbaden www.A-H-B.de

Dear All,
Once again I was able to update my website with two more name adoption lists:

KÖLN 1808 www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Koeln.htm
and

Department of BONN 1846 with BEUEL; COMBAHN; VILICH-RHEINDORF;
SCHWARZ-RHEINDORF and GEISLAR

www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Depbonn.htm

More lists can be found under www.a-h-b.de/AHB/links_e.htm

With best regards
Wolfgang Fritzsche, prof. Genealogist, Germany Mainz-Wiesbaden www.A-H-B.de

I received the following message >from a contributor today -

"Hi Joel,

I'm sending out a check for $100 for Sirvintos today (other towns to
follow) and just wanted to confirm the mailing address.

On the form it has:

LitvakSIG, Inc.
Dept. 77-9253
Chicago, Ill. 60678-9253

But I remember a posting about an address change. On the website it has:

LitvakSIG, Inc.
File 50194
Los Angeles, CA 90074-0194

Can you please just confirm where this should be sent to.

Thanks,


The Los Angeles address is the correct address. This has been mentioned a
few times now and it is imperative to use the correct address since mail is
no longer being forwarded >from Chicago. Please make note of this.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group

I received the following message >from a contributor today -

"Hi Joel,

I'm sending out a check for $100 for Sirvintos today (other towns to
follow) and just wanted to confirm the mailing address.

On the form it has:

LitvakSIG, Inc.
Dept. 77-9253
Chicago, Ill. 60678-9253

But I remember a posting about an address change. On the website it has:

LitvakSIG, Inc.
File 50194
Los Angeles, CA 90074-0194

Can you please just confirm where this should be sent to.

Thanks,


The Los Angeles address is the correct address. This has been mentioned a
few times now and it is imperative to use the correct address since mail is
no longer being forwarded >from Chicago. Please make note of this.

Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group

Hi,
I am in the process of updating my Kalvarija page.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kalvarija/kalvarija.html

If anyone has any new information, pictures albums, stories, home pages etc
that is connected with Kalvarija, please contact me at edanim@... .

The link to Ruth Roazen's home page is broken as is her e-mail address. I
have tried unsuccessfully to contact her through JGFF. Does anyone have her
current e-mail address so that I can contact her to get her new link.

Carol (MONOSSON) Edan
Researching
Monosson/Poley-Russia/Belarus
Aronson/Price-Augustow/Kalvarija
Rabinowitz-Novogrodok,Belarus

Hi,
I am in the process of updating my Kalvarija page.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kalvarija/kalvarija.html

If anyone has any new information, pictures albums, stories, home pages etc
that is connected with Kalvarija, please contact me at edanim@... .

The link to Ruth Roazen's home page is broken as is her e-mail address. I
have tried unsuccessfully to contact her through JGFF. Does anyone have her
current e-mail address so that I can contact her to get her new link.

Carol (MONOSSON) Edan
Researching
Monosson/Poley-Russia/Belarus
Aronson/Price-Augustow/Kalvarija
Rabinowitz-Novogrodok,Belarus

Jaroslaw, Pruchnik and Radymno in SE Poland form a triangle
(no town more than 17 km or 12 miles >from each other. Przemysl,
the main city in the area, is only 14 kilometers south of Radymno.
As a result, families in these towns inter-married and researchers
often need to follow their trail >from town to town. Furthermore,
families living in any of the villages around these towns tended
to register their vital events in any one of them, so records are
not necessarily in the nearest archive.

David Fielker is actively involved in research relating to Jaroslaw,
Pruchnik and Radymno and would welcome hearing >from any
researcher with whom he has not previously been in contact.
His information will be of interest.

Please write David at: davidfielker@...

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

Jaroslaw, Pruchnik and Radymno in SE Poland form a triangle
(no town more than 17 km or 12 miles >from each other. Przemysl,
the main city in the area, is only 14 kilometers south of Radymno.
As a result, families in these towns inter-married and researchers
often need to follow their trail >from town to town. Furthermore,
families living in any of the villages around these towns tended
to register their vital events in any one of them, so records are
not necessarily in the nearest archive.

David Fielker is actively involved in research relating to Jaroslaw,
Pruchnik and Radymno and would welcome hearing >from any
researcher with whom he has not previously been in contact.
His information will be of interest.

Please write David at: davidfielker@...

Stanley Diamond
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

I am trying to identify family who came >from Sokoly.

What we know is the parents were: Shmuel Rachelski and his wife was Rivka.
The children were Sara (b: abt 1885), Chana (b: abt 1892), Beyla, & Chiza.
I'm trying to get more information about the family especially other
children born to Shmuel and Rivka.
I could not find any records when I searched JRI-PL.

Any other ideas?

Mike Karsen
Chicago

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Several lists >from the Sokoly Memorial Book have
been translated and can be viewed through the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Project at www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/

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What we know is the parents were: Shmuel Rachelski and his wife was Rivka.
The children were Sara (b: abt 1885), Chana (b: abt 1892), Beyla, & Chiza.
I'm trying to get more information about the family especially other
children born to Shmuel and Rivka.
I could not find any records when I searched JRI-PL.

Any other ideas?

Mike Karsen
Chicago

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Several lists >from the Sokoly Memorial Book have
been translated and can be viewed through the JewishGen Yizkor Book
Project at www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/

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Original message:

<< I recall when I first looked at the Polish indices, I thought I'd
never ever be able to decipher the letters. Now only a few
years later, I can even plow through some of the Cyrillic
records for my family, albeit sometimes checking letter by
letter. It is a great sense of accomplishment when you can
look at your ancestor's Polish marriage record and know what it
says!!! >>


Yes, I also remember when I first looked at the Polish. I guess
we all went thru that process. And now, I am even really very
good with the Cyrillic.

Madeleine Okladek

Original message:

<< I recall when I first looked at the Polish indices, I thought I'd
never ever be able to decipher the letters. Now only a few
years later, I can even plow through some of the Cyrillic
records for my family, albeit sometimes checking letter by
letter. It is a great sense of accomplishment when you can
look at your ancestor's Polish marriage record and know what it
says!!! >>


Yes, I also remember when I first looked at the Polish. I guess
we all went thru that process. And now, I am even really very
good with the Cyrillic.

Madeleine Okladek

My ggggrandmother's name was Cyrel, Ciral or Ceral and she was born about
1840 in Galicia. Does anybody know the origins of this somewhat unusual
name.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD
VP- JGSGW

My ggggrandmother's name was Cyrel, Ciral or Ceral and she was born about
1840 in Galicia. Does anybody know the origins of this somewhat unusual
name.

Regards,
Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD
VP- JGSGW

Hello Jewish Gen

I am researching the whereabouts of Jewish records >from the village
Przyroscheln, Kreis Johannisberg in Eastern Prussia (today is known as Przerosl).
This village was also known as Eszeruppen or Walddorf in the past.
Kreis Johannisberg is located in Allestein (today Olsztyn) Province of East
Prussia.

If you have any advice on how I can obtain records, please respond
privately,

Regards,

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@...
USA
names I am researching
DANOWSKI, FAJNTUCH, FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GELER, GOREN, LANGUS,
LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, (Lomza-Suwalki, Poland)
BALL: (Gabin, Poland);
CZERN, FLASTERSTEIN: (Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland);
BLAS/BLAZ, BLECHMAN/BLEKHMAN, DICKTER, GITERMAN, KVACHINSKIJ/KWAIT,
LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, PETROVSKIJ, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER (Ukraine)

Hello Jewish Gen

I am researching the whereabouts of Jewish records >from the village
Przyroscheln, Kreis Johannisberg in Eastern Prussia (today is known as Przerosl).
This village was also known as Eszeruppen or Walddorf in the past.
Kreis Johannisberg is located in Allestein (today Olsztyn) Province of East
Prussia.

If you have any advice on how I can obtain records, please respond
privately,

Regards,

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@...
USA
names I am researching
DANOWSKI, FAJNTUCH, FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GELER, GOREN, LANGUS,
LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, (Lomza-Suwalki, Poland)
BALL: (Gabin, Poland);
CZERN, FLASTERSTEIN: (Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland);
BLAS/BLAZ, BLECHMAN/BLEKHMAN, DICKTER, GITERMAN, KVACHINSKIJ/KWAIT,
LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, PETROVSKIJ, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER (Ukraine)

I wonder if you could give me assistance/advice on researching my
heritage. I have been denied knowledge of my father, but the little
information I have may be of use in obtaining more.

I am 47 years old. My father is Jewish, and was employed with San
Leandro High School in California around 1957-1958. My mother taught
there, and her name was Dorothy VENTOSA. My mother was 34 years old
when I was born in November of 1958, so I would guess that my father was
around that age. My father was either married to someone else at the
time, or had been previously. I have a (half) brother who is
approximately 63 years old, and don't know whether I have other siblings.
My father knew my Aunt Nancy, and may have known my Aunts Mary and
Isabelle as well. He may have been known to all of my mother's family.

My husband suggested I explore the Jewish community in my quest for
information. I also looked for staff listings online >from San Leandro
High School, to no avail. I really don't know what is the best way to
go about this, but I would like to know more about my father, including
his name, and about any family I have that I have never known.

--
Miryam Collins

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send personal information directly to Miryam.
General advice may be shared with the group.

I wonder if you could give me assistance/advice on researching my
heritage. I have been denied knowledge of my father, but the little
information I have may be of use in obtaining more.

I am 47 years old. My father is Jewish, and was employed with San
Leandro High School in California around 1957-1958. My mother taught
there, and her name was Dorothy VENTOSA. My mother was 34 years old
when I was born in November of 1958, so I would guess that my father was
around that age. My father was either married to someone else at the
time, or had been previously. I have a (half) brother who is
approximately 63 years old, and don't know whether I have other siblings.
My father knew my Aunt Nancy, and may have known my Aunts Mary and
Isabelle as well. He may have been known to all of my mother's family.

My husband suggested I explore the Jewish community in my quest for
information. I also looked for staff listings online >from San Leandro
High School, to no avail. I really don't know what is the best way to
go about this, but I would like to know more about my father, including
his name, and about any family I have that I have never known.

--
Miryam Collins

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send personal information directly to Miryam.
General advice may be shared with the group.

Thanks to everybody who rang in with an opinion on whether the Hebrew/
Yiddish first name of "Yitzhak" could have been "translated," back in Czarist
Russia, to "Alexander." I did try to send personal notes, but I may have missed
a participant or two.

Several scholars rang in with emphatic negative responses.

Other participants, perhaps not as learned, observed empirically that the
Jews of Diaspora always have assumed names consistent with the countries in
which they were living.

And one or two of the more expert participants said that it would have been
against secular laws for a Jew to adopt an Imperial name. Of course, there
were many who disagreed with the theory of this prohibition, too.

While this discrepancy does not resolve my dilemma, I tend to agree with the
latter theories. As much as there may be a pattern to name "translations,"
there actually are no hard-and-fast laws, while there are plenty of
exceptions to what the classic versions of name adaptations usually would be.

Those who advised me to do more thorough research about this particular
great-grandfather missed the point of my query, as did those who explained to me
the origin of the name "Yitzhak." I thought that the history of this
specific name was pretty obvious. Anyway, that was not the question.

I will conclude, if you will indulge me, with paraphrasing an anecdote that
was printed a couple of years ago in a major New York City daily newspaper.
Two women are overheard on a bus, discussing their children. One woman says,
"My daughter just gave birth to a boy." The other congratulates the new
grandmother and asks the baby's name. "Shlomo," is the response. "Shlomo," the
acquaintance repeats in apparent astonishment. "What kind of name is that?"
And the grandmother responds, "He was named in loving memory of his
great-grandfather, Scott."

Indeed. >from my point of view, this discussion now is closed.

Thanks again to all of you.

Judy SEGAL
New York City

Thanks to everybody who rang in with an opinion on whether the Hebrew/
Yiddish first name of "Yitzhak" could have been "translated," back in Czarist
Russia, to "Alexander." I did try to send personal notes, but I may have missed
a participant or two.

Several scholars rang in with emphatic negative responses.

Other participants, perhaps not as learned, observed empirically that the
Jews of Diaspora always have assumed names consistent with the countries in
which they were living.

And one or two of the more expert participants said that it would have been
against secular laws for a Jew to adopt an Imperial name. Of course, there
were many who disagreed with the theory of this prohibition, too.

While this discrepancy does not resolve my dilemma, I tend to agree with the
latter theories. As much as there may be a pattern to name "translations,"
there actually are no hard-and-fast laws, while there are plenty of
exceptions to what the classic versions of name adaptations usually would be.

Those who advised me to do more thorough research about this particular
great-grandfather missed the point of my query, as did those who explained to me
the origin of the name "Yitzhak." I thought that the history of this
specific name was pretty obvious. Anyway, that was not the question.

I will conclude, if you will indulge me, with paraphrasing an anecdote that
was printed a couple of years ago in a major New York City daily newspaper.
Two women are overheard on a bus, discussing their children. One woman says,
"My daughter just gave birth to a boy." The other congratulates the new
grandmother and asks the baby's name. "Shlomo," is the response. "Shlomo," the
acquaintance repeats in apparent astonishment. "What kind of name is that?"
And the grandmother responds, "He was named in loving memory of his
great-grandfather, Scott."

Indeed. >from my point of view, this discussion now is closed.

Thanks again to all of you.

Judy SEGAL
New York City