Greetings,

Is anyone still publishing any printed (on paper!) journals with
small memoirs and with index data, and articles re
geneaology, regarding POLAND?

There was the wonderful Kielce-Radom Special Interest Group Journal
-- but I think it no longer is being issued.

I have an old paper my father (a survivor >from Chmielnik, Poland)
wrote on the destruction of the town which might
be of interest to people

David Ferleger

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Greetings,

Is anyone still publishing any printed (on paper!) journals with
small memoirs and with index data, and articles re
geneaology, regarding POLAND?

There was the wonderful Kielce-Radom Special Interest Group Journal
-- but I think it no longer is being issued.

I have an old paper my father (a survivor >from Chmielnik, Poland)
wrote on the destruction of the town which might
be of interest to people

David Ferleger

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately if you have any publication
suggestions.



========================================
David Ferleger
10 Presidential Blvd, Suite 115
Bala Cynwyd, PA 19004
610-668-2221 610-668-3889 fax

http://www.summitsolutions.us
Innovative Arbitration, Mediation & Alternative Dispute Resolution
email mailto:davidferleger@...
========================================

My family on both sides have always eaten latkes with sugar but only my
father's father's family came >from Poland (Kalisz) . My father's mother
came >from near Minsk, Belarus and my mother's family came >from Riga,
Latvia and Russia. So I'm not sure if your Polish theory holds true!

I only came across the notion of eating them with sour cream or
applesauce when reading American Jewish cookbooks.

Happy Chanukah! Enjoy those latkes!

Vivienne Fleet
Engalns

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From: Crzprncess@...
Reply-To: Crzprncess@...
To: "JRI-Poland"
Subject: [jri-pl] Latke tradition
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:10:23 EST

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello,
Hope this is an appropriate place to ask this question and not considered
off topic, but I have a question about latkes and the Jews of Poland. For
the most part, my family was >from modern day Poland or the Ukraine. The
Polish side of my family always put sugar on their latkes, rather than
applesauce or sour cream. The Ukrainian branch of the family would tease
us incessantly, but my grandparents proudly told everyone it was a Polish
Jewish tradition.

Every now and again I come across others who top their latkes with sugar and
coincidentally their family of origin has been Polish as well. So, my
question to the group: is this a bubba meiser or is there some truth to
it?
Or perhaps it is more regional. This branch of my family came >from the
Lomza
gubernia and specifically Grajewo, Rajgrod, Szczuczyn and the Sokoly area.

Happy Chanukah!

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@...
USA

-Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI, FAJNTUCH, FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN,
LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, LIPOFF, LIPOWICZ, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ,
-Gabin, Poland: BOL, PERCOWICZ; -Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland:
FLASZTERSZTEIN,
-Parichi, Belarus: GORELIK; -Ukraine: BLAS, DICKTER, GITERMAN, GLASS,
KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, SHAPIRA, SCHIFFMAN,
WEXLER, ZEISLER

MODERATOR'S NOTE: To keep the responses within the scope of Polish-Jewish
genealogy, if you share latke customs, please indicate which part of Poland
your family was from.

My family on both sides have always eaten latkes with sugar but only my
father's father's family came >from Poland (Kalisz) . My father's mother
came >from near Minsk, Belarus and my mother's family came >from Riga,
Latvia and Russia. So I'm not sure if your Polish theory holds true!

I only came across the notion of eating them with sour cream or
applesauce when reading American Jewish cookbooks.

Happy Chanukah! Enjoy those latkes!

Vivienne Fleet
Engalns

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From: Crzprncess@...
Reply-To: Crzprncess@...
To: "JRI-Poland"
Subject: [jri-pl] Latke tradition
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:10:23 EST

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello,
Hope this is an appropriate place to ask this question and not considered
off topic, but I have a question about latkes and the Jews of Poland. For
the most part, my family was >from modern day Poland or the Ukraine. The
Polish side of my family always put sugar on their latkes, rather than
applesauce or sour cream. The Ukrainian branch of the family would tease
us incessantly, but my grandparents proudly told everyone it was a Polish
Jewish tradition.

Every now and again I come across others who top their latkes with sugar and
coincidentally their family of origin has been Polish as well. So, my
question to the group: is this a bubba meiser or is there some truth to
it?
Or perhaps it is more regional. This branch of my family came >from the
Lomza
gubernia and specifically Grajewo, Rajgrod, Szczuczyn and the Sokoly area.

Happy Chanukah!

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@...
USA

-Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: DANOWSKI, FAJNTUCH, FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN,
LANGUS, KALIFOWICZ, LIPOFF, LIPOWICZ, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ,
-Gabin, Poland: BOL, PERCOWICZ; -Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland:
FLASZTERSZTEIN,
-Parichi, Belarus: GORELIK; -Ukraine: BLAS, DICKTER, GITERMAN, GLASS,
KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, SHAPIRA, SCHIFFMAN,
WEXLER, ZEISLER

MODERATOR'S NOTE: To keep the responses within the scope of Polish-Jewish
genealogy, if you share latke customs, please indicate which part of Poland
your family was from.

Within the planned commemorative publication about the
Rabbi and teacher Professor Phillip HEIDENHEIM (1814-1906)
in Sondershausen (Thuringia) I am writing an article about his family.
The rabbi was married with Karolina LESER (1812-1897).

I am looking for information about the family of grandchildren, who were
emigrated after 1933 to U.K.:

1.
Margot Amalie HEIDEHEIM, the youngest daughter of Gustav HEIDENHEIM and
Rosalie OPPENHEIM, .
born on December 2nd, 1896 in Chemnitz, died about 1973 in London.

2.
August Karl Gustav BIER, son of Felix Siegmund BIER and Toni HEIDENHEIM,
born about 1861 in Muenster, died in 1949 in London.

3.
Meta HEIDENHEIM, daughter of Richard HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Adolf
MORITZ BAUM,
both died in London.
their sons Herbert James (b. 1900) and Ernst Josef (b. 1901) were born
in London.

4.
Else HEIDENHEIM, daughter of RICHARD HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Max
LIEBMANN,
both died in London.
their daughter lived and died also there.
Friedel Lieselotte LIEBMANN and her husband Siegfried Salomon
HALLGARTEN, they had two sons: Anthony and Peter Alexander.
Dorothy Liebmann and her husband John R. Lee. without children.

5.
Ruth HOFMANN, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on march 11, 1924 (1925) in Neuss, married with H. Rittmeister,
died in London

6.
Ellen Hoffmann, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on january 19, 1923 in Neuss, died in 1942 in England.

Who did you know anybody of them or their children?

The book will be published in June, 2006.
Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards


Juergen Nitsche, Chemnitz, Germany -
JuNitsche@...

Researching:
HEIDENHEIM - Bleicherode, Sondershausen, Chemnitz, Cologne, Wiesbaden,
BAUM - Wiesbaden, London
BIER - Cologne, Sondershausen, Berlin, London
HALLGARTEN - Winkel, London
HOFMANN - Neuss, London
LIEBMANN - Wiesbaden, London
LEE - London
RITTMEISTER - Norway or Poland, London

Within the planned commemorative publication about the
Rabbi and teacher Professor Phillip HEIDENHEIM (1814-1906)
in Sondershausen (Thuringia) I am writing an article about his family.
The rabbi was married with Karolina LESER (1812-1897).

I am looking for information about the family of grandchildren, who were
emigrated after 1933 to U.K.:

1.
Margot Amalie HEIDEHEIM, the youngest daughter of Gustav HEIDENHEIM and
Rosalie OPPENHEIM, .
born on December 2nd, 1896 in Chemnitz, died about 1973 in London.

2.
August Karl Gustav BIER, son of Felix Siegmund BIER and Toni HEIDENHEIM,
born about 1861 in Muenster, died in 1949 in London.

3.
Meta HEIDENHEIM, daughter of Richard HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Adolf
MORITZ BAUM,
both died in London.
their sons Herbert James (b. 1900) and Ernst Josef (b. 1901) were born
in London.

4.
Else HEIDENHEIM, daughter of RICHARD HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Max
LIEBMANN,
both died in London.
their daughter lived and died also there.
Friedel Lieselotte LIEBMANN and her husband Siegfried Salomon
HALLGARTEN, they had two sons: Anthony and Peter Alexander.
Dorothy Liebmann and her husband John R. Lee. without children.

5.
Ruth HOFMANN, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on march 11, 1924 (1925) in Neuss, married with H. Rittmeister,
died in London

6.
Ellen Hoffmann, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on january 19, 1923 in Neuss, died in 1942 in England.

Who did you know anybody of them or their children?

The book will be published in June, 2006.
Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards


Juergen Nitsche, Chemnitz, Germany -
JuNitsche@...

Researching:
HEIDENHEIM - Bleicherode, Sondershausen, Chemnitz, Cologne, Wiesbaden,
BAUM - Wiesbaden, London
BIER - Cologne, Sondershausen, Muenster, Berlin, London
HALLGARTEN - Winkel, London
HOFMANN - Neuss, London
LIEBMANN - Wiesbaden, London
LEE - London
RITTMEISTER - Norway or Poland, London

Potato latkes served with the sugar bowl was the norm in our family too.
Our late parents came >from Krakow and Warsaw. The gefilte fish in our home
was sweet, and tea was always served with lemon in a glass. The finer and
thinner the glass; the better the tea.

Barbara Zilber,Montreal, Canada

Within the planned commemorative publication about the
Rabbi and teacher Professor Phillip HEIDENHEIM (1814-1906)
in Sondershausen (Thuringia) I am writing an article about his family.
The rabbi was married with Karolina LESER (1812-1897).

I am looking for information about the family of grandchildren, who were
emigrated after 1933 to U.K.:

1.
Margot Amalie HEIDEHEIM, the youngest daughter of Gustav HEIDENHEIM and
Rosalie OPPENHEIM, .
born on December 2nd, 1896 in Chemnitz, died about 1973 in London.

2.
August Karl Gustav BIER, son of Felix Siegmund BIER and Toni HEIDENHEIM,
born about 1861 in Muenster, died in 1949 in London.

3.
Meta HEIDENHEIM, daughter of Richard HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Adolf
MORITZ BAUM,
both died in London.
their sons Herbert James (b. 1900) and Ernst Josef (b. 1901) were born
in London.

4.
Else HEIDENHEIM, daughter of RICHARD HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Max
LIEBMANN,
both died in London.
their daughter lived and died also there.
Friedel Lieselotte LIEBMANN and her husband Siegfried Salomon
HALLGARTEN, they had two sons: Anthony and Peter Alexander.
Dorothy Liebmann and her husband John R. Lee. without children.

5.
Ruth HOFMANN, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on march 11, 1924 (1925) in Neuss, married with H. Rittmeister,
died in London

6.
Ellen Hoffmann, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on january 19, 1923 in Neuss, died in 1942 in England.

Who did you know anybody of them or their children?

The book will be published in June, 2006.
Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards


Juergen Nitsche, Chemnitz, Germany -
JuNitsche@...

Researching:
HEIDENHEIM - Bleicherode, Sondershausen, Chemnitz, Cologne, Wiesbaden,
BAUM - Wiesbaden, London
BIER - Cologne, Sondershausen, Berlin, London
HALLGARTEN - Winkel, London
HOFMANN - Neuss, London
LIEBMANN - Wiesbaden, London
LEE - London
RITTMEISTER - Norway or Poland, London

Within the planned commemorative publication about the
Rabbi and teacher Professor Phillip HEIDENHEIM (1814-1906)
in Sondershausen (Thuringia) I am writing an article about his family.
The rabbi was married with Karolina LESER (1812-1897).

I am looking for information about the family of grandchildren, who were
emigrated after 1933 to U.K.:

1.
Margot Amalie HEIDEHEIM, the youngest daughter of Gustav HEIDENHEIM and
Rosalie OPPENHEIM, .
born on December 2nd, 1896 in Chemnitz, died about 1973 in London.

2.
August Karl Gustav BIER, son of Felix Siegmund BIER and Toni HEIDENHEIM,
born about 1861 in Muenster, died in 1949 in London.

3.
Meta HEIDENHEIM, daughter of Richard HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Adolf
MORITZ BAUM,
both died in London.
their sons Herbert James (b. 1900) and Ernst Josef (b. 1901) were born
in London.

4.
Else HEIDENHEIM, daughter of RICHARD HEIDENHEIM, and her husband Max
LIEBMANN,
both died in London.
their daughter lived and died also there.
Friedel Lieselotte LIEBMANN and her husband Siegfried Salomon
HALLGARTEN, they had two sons: Anthony and Peter Alexander.
Dorothy Liebmann and her husband John R. Lee. without children.

5.
Ruth HOFMANN, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on march 11, 1924 (1925) in Neuss, married with H. Rittmeister,
died in London

6.
Ellen Hoffmann, daughter of Ilse Emilie EHRENBERG and Arthur HOFMANN,
born on january 19, 1923 in Neuss, died in 1942 in England.

Who did you know anybody of them or their children?

The book will be published in June, 2006.
Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards


Juergen Nitsche, Chemnitz, Germany -
JuNitsche@...

Researching:
HEIDENHEIM - Bleicherode, Sondershausen, Chemnitz, Cologne, Wiesbaden,
BAUM - Wiesbaden, London
BIER - Cologne, Sondershausen, Muenster, Berlin, London
HALLGARTEN - Winkel, London
HOFMANN - Neuss, London
LIEBMANN - Wiesbaden, London
LEE - London
RITTMEISTER - Norway or Poland, London

Potato latkes served with the sugar bowl was the norm in our family too.
Our late parents came >from Krakow and Warsaw. The gefilte fish in our home
was sweet, and tea was always served with lemon in a glass. The finer and
thinner the glass; the better the tea.

Barbara Zilber,Montreal, Canada

Hi: To answer the sugar on latkes tradition, my family came >from Congress
or Russ-Poland.. They put sugar on latkes and also sugared the gefilte
fish too.

I was once at a Chanukah party where latkes were served. Only two people
in the room asked if there was any sugar for the latkes - myself and
another man. His family was also >from Poland. So I guess that Polish
Jews liked it sweet!

Sandra Greenberg
Denver, CO
_sangreeenb@... (mailto:sangreeenb@...)

COHN/CHOLEWA - Golub Dobrzyn and Lubicz, Poland
LESNIK - Golub Dobrzyn, and Lubicz, Poland

Hi: To answer the sugar on latkes tradition, my family came >from Congress
or Russ-Poland.. They put sugar on latkes and also sugared the gefilte
fish too.

I was once at a Chanukah party where latkes were served. Only two people
in the room asked if there was any sugar for the latkes - myself and
another man. His family was also >from Poland. So I guess that Polish
Jews liked it sweet!

Sandra Greenberg
Denver, CO
_sangreeenb@... (mailto:sangreeenb@...)

COHN/CHOLEWA - Golub Dobrzyn and Lubicz, Poland
LESNIK - Golub Dobrzyn, and Lubicz, Poland

My grandmother was >from Nowy Targ (Krakow region) Poland. I grew up with
applesauce and sour cream on my latkes, and definitely not-sweet gefilte
fish. As a child, I can remember putting sour cream on and in many
dishes -- including borscht with boiled potatoes, and hot corn meal mush
for breakfast.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA

My grandmother was >from Nowy Targ (Krakow region) Poland. I grew up with
applesauce and sour cream on my latkes, and definitely not-sweet gefilte
fish. As a child, I can remember putting sour cream on and in many
dishes -- including borscht with boiled potatoes, and hot corn meal mush
for breakfast.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA

How about not just sugar, but cinnamon sugar on latkes?
That was what we did in our family growing up in Salt Lake city,
previously Brooklyn, previously a shtetl south of Bialystock. When the
cinnamon got added I cannot say.

Susan Rosenthall
Portland, Oregon

PS My mother said it was only the Romanians who added sugar to their
gefilte fish.

How about not just sugar, but cinnamon sugar on latkes?
That was what we did in our family growing up in Salt Lake city,
previously Brooklyn, previously a shtetl south of Bialystock. When the
cinnamon got added I cannot say.

Susan Rosenthall
Portland, Oregon

PS My mother said it was only the Romanians who added sugar to their
gefilte fish.

What a great and timely question. I am sure others are more versed
than me in this, BUT I spent Saturday evening with a Holocaust Survivor,
early 80s, who's known me >from birth. He's a close family friend.

In response to my describing finding birth dates/information, he said
that:
1. Registrations are not necessarily accurate.

2. In small towns, Jews often went and registered births officially
in batches, with more than one at a time,
and not necessarily at the actual date of the birth.

On the other hand, someone has given me family history information
based on memories and oral data >from various relatives over the years,
and some of it conflicts substantially with the birth/marriage/death
town data. In that case, I am more likely to accept the 'official'
recorded data as closer to reality.

Sadly, we'll never really know a lot of this.

David Ferleger

What a great and timely question. I am sure others are more versed
than me in this, BUT I spent Saturday evening with a Holocaust Survivor,
early 80s, who's known me >from birth. He's a close family friend.

In response to my describing finding birth dates/information, he said
that:
1. Registrations are not necessarily accurate.

2. In small towns, Jews often went and registered births officially
in batches, with more than one at a time,
and not necessarily at the actual date of the birth.

On the other hand, someone has given me family history information
based on memories and oral data >from various relatives over the years,
and some of it conflicts substantially with the birth/marriage/death
town data. In that case, I am more likely to accept the 'official'
recorded data as closer to reality.

Sadly, we'll never really know a lot of this.

David Ferleger

Hello Austria-Czech SIG Friends:

For those with ancestors >from Cesky Krumlov, or those planning a visit, there
is on the internet a wonderful click-sensitive map of the town. Copy and
paste this into your browser and use the mouse to wander around. Click on the
Castle and most of the houses for their detailed history.

http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/atlas/i_cmm.htm
[German and Czech versions also]

Enjoy the tour!

Dave Bernard, in snow white Massachusetts

PS -- More on the castle, town and region can be found at:
http://www.ckrumlov.cz/

MODERATOR NOTE: the site Dave quotes can also be found via:
www.tinyurl.com/84ens

Hello Austria-Czech SIG Friends:

For those with ancestors >from Cesky Krumlov, or those planning a visit, there
is on the internet a wonderful click-sensitive map of the town. Copy and
paste this into your browser and use the mouse to wander around. Click on the
Castle and most of the houses for their detailed history.

http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/atlas/i_cmm.htm
[German and Czech versions also]

Enjoy the tour!

Dave Bernard, in snow white Massachusetts

PS -- More on the castle, town and region can be found at:
http://www.ckrumlov.cz/

MODERATOR NOTE: the site Dave quotes can also be found via:
www.tinyurl.com/84ens