My apologies to the group. I forgot to put the time and place of JGSLI's
Sunday November 20 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

Again our guest speaker is Ron Arons. He will giving his very popular
"Bugsy Siegal and Meyer Lansky: The Men Behind the Flamingo Hotel" presentation.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President

My apologies to the group. I forgot to put the time and place of JGSLI's
Sunday November 20 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

Again our guest speaker is Ron Arons. He will giving his very popular
"Bugsy Siegal and Meyer Lansky: The Men Behind the Flamingo Hotel" presentation.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President

Dear Colleagues,

If you have written a family history book this year, (or if you have never
before registered yours with AVOTAYNU), December 1 is the deadline for
submission of this information--to appear in the final 2005 issue of
AVOTAYNU.

Information should include:
Title of book, years and places covered, major family names included,
brief description of the book, libraries and institutions to which it has
been donated, cost and information about purchase.

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear Colleagues,

If you have written a family history book this year, (or if you have never
before registered yours with AVOTAYNU), December 1 is the deadline for
submission of this information--to appear in the final 2005 issue of
AVOTAYNU.

Information should include:
Title of book, years and places covered, major family names included,
brief description of the book, libraries and institutions to which it has
been donated, cost and information about purchase.

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear Colleagues,

Just a reminder. December 1 is the deadline for submission of human interest
stories for the final 2005 issue of *Avotaynu*.

Stories that illustrate an innovative research approach or an unusual source
are especially good--but so is a plain good tale.

Send them to me at sallyann.sack@....

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear Colleagues,

Just a reminder. December 1 is the deadline for submission of human interest
stories for the final 2005 issue of *Avotaynu*.

Stories that illustrate an innovative research approach or an unusual source
are especially good--but so is a plain good tale.

Send them to me at sallyann.sack@....

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear JewishGendom,
I am searching for additional information about Ruth LEVY, daughter
of Leon and Sarah LEVY, who lived with her parents on East 152 Street in the
Bronx according to the 1930 US Census.
In addition, I am searching for two other Levy women in this extended
family, with the first names of Ella and Sarah, who were the daughters of
Leon and Jennie Levy, and who lived in Manhattan circa 1910. (This family appears
to have earlier lived in the Philadelphia area as they appear on the 1900 US
Census in Pennsylvania.)
This is the LEVY family tree at the moment:

1 Louis Levy b 1852 in Germany
.. +Jennie ??? b 1868 in Switzerland
......... 2 Leon Levy b 1883 in Lancaster, PA .............
+Sarah (Sarny?) GROSS b 1883 in Poland
.................... 3 Meyer LEVY 1910 - 1975 b in New York
.................... 3 Ruth Levy b abt 1913 in New York
......... 2 Ella Levy b 1895 in PA
......... 2 Sarah Levy b 1897 PA

I do not yet know if any of these three Levy women married or not, and I
am planning to do a brides index search soon at the NYC Municipal Archives.
Yes, I know that major parts of the NYC Brides Index just came on line,
but I need to do a bridal search in Manhattan which didn't go online yet, as
well as the Bronx after 1931 which should involve searching through the NYC
Clerk's Indexes.
All leads and suggestions will be very appreciated.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

Dear JewishGendom,
I am searching for additional information about Ruth LEVY, daughter
of Leon and Sarah LEVY, who lived with her parents on East 152 Street in the
Bronx according to the 1930 US Census.
In addition, I am searching for two other Levy women in this extended
family, with the first names of Ella and Sarah, who were the daughters of
Leon and Jennie Levy, and who lived in Manhattan circa 1910. (This family appears
to have earlier lived in the Philadelphia area as they appear on the 1900 US
Census in Pennsylvania.)
This is the LEVY family tree at the moment:

1 Louis Levy b 1852 in Germany
.. +Jennie ??? b 1868 in Switzerland
......... 2 Leon Levy b 1883 in Lancaster, PA .............
+Sarah (Sarny?) GROSS b 1883 in Poland
.................... 3 Meyer LEVY 1910 - 1975 b in New York
.................... 3 Ruth Levy b abt 1913 in New York
......... 2 Ella Levy b 1895 in PA
......... 2 Sarah Levy b 1897 PA

I do not yet know if any of these three Levy women married or not, and I
am planning to do a brides index search soon at the NYC Municipal Archives.
Yes, I know that major parts of the NYC Brides Index just came on line,
but I need to do a bridal search in Manhattan which didn't go online yet, as
well as the Bronx after 1931 which should involve searching through the NYC
Clerk's Indexes.
All leads and suggestions will be very appreciated.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

Dear Cousins,

Janice Sellers asked about the requirement for a death certificate in
New York City for a stillborn infant. She is searching for a record from
1915. I had commented that it has been long required in N.Y.C. for
burial, cremation, and even moving a body to another locality.

I'm assuming that the question is about both practice and fact, and I
must admit that I'm answering this without documentation, but >from common
sense.

For a full-term fetus being buried in a cemetery, certainly a death
certificate was issued whether the stillbirth occurred at home, in a
hospital, or anywhere else, because it was required for the burial permit.

However, for a mid-pregnancy miscarriage that happened at home, without
a cemetery burial, I can easily see how a death certificate could have not
been issued. The family would have had to contact a medical doctor,
clinic, or hospital, and while it may seem "normal" to do so nowadays, at
that time many women didn't see a doctor at any time during their
pregnancies, and midwives handled the deliveries. The family could have
disposed of the fetus' body outside of formal medical channels, sparing
expense, paperwork, and anguish.

If anybody has information on how often death certificates were issued
for stillbirths in New York City (along with the time period involved),
I'll be very interested.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.

Dear Cousins,

Janice Sellers asked about the requirement for a death certificate in
New York City for a stillborn infant. She is searching for a record from
1915. I had commented that it has been long required in N.Y.C. for
burial, cremation, and even moving a body to another locality.

I'm assuming that the question is about both practice and fact, and I
must admit that I'm answering this without documentation, but >from common
sense.

For a full-term fetus being buried in a cemetery, certainly a death
certificate was issued whether the stillbirth occurred at home, in a
hospital, or anywhere else, because it was required for the burial permit.

However, for a mid-pregnancy miscarriage that happened at home, without
a cemetery burial, I can easily see how a death certificate could have not
been issued. The family would have had to contact a medical doctor,
clinic, or hospital, and while it may seem "normal" to do so nowadays, at
that time many women didn't see a doctor at any time during their
pregnancies, and midwives handled the deliveries. The family could have
disposed of the fetus' body outside of formal medical channels, sparing
expense, paperwork, and anguish.

If anybody has information on how often death certificates were issued
for stillbirths in New York City (along with the time period involved),
I'll be very interested.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.

"Can someome please answer a question regarding
Panavesch (district, town, region) records."

Penevezys revision lists
(1816,1818,1834,1840,1842,1847) and vital records are
in the State Lithuanian Historical archives.
Tax payers lists are in Kaunas.

Irene Kudish
Tel-Aviv
researcher-translator

"Can someome please answer a question regarding
Panavesch (district, town, region) records."

Penevezys revision lists
(1816,1818,1834,1840,1842,1847) and vital records are
in the State Lithuanian Historical archives.
Tax payers lists are in Kaunas.

Irene Kudish
Tel-Aviv
researcher-translator

There will be a special Drohobycz-Borislav-Sambor birds-of-a-feather
meeting taking place on Sunday, November 20th >from 12P - 2P, preceding
the JGSNY/Gesher Galicia Regional Meeting (at 2PM) at the Center for
Jewish History at 15 West 16th St. in New York City.

Because this gathering may be of interest even to those people who don't
have ancestors >from these specific towns, and all are invited, we're
providing some details:

There will be a special PowerPoint presentation by Valerie Schatzker,
webmaster of the Drohobycz Administrative District website, on "The Jewish
Oil Magnates" a book translation she is currently editing on the oil
industry in Drohobycz. Written in Yiddish and published in England in 1954,
it details the history of the first refineries, the oil boom in
Drohobycz--beginning in the mid-19th century--and the lives of the Jewish
oil magnates. She will also detail recent research she has conducted in
Vienna relating to Galicia.

We are also honored to have Mr. Rubin Schmer at this gathering. Born in
Drohobycz in 1925, he left on June 29, 1941--one day before the Germans
invaded. He will discuss the cemetery and synagogue restoration projects he
is coordinating in Drohobycz--with the assistance of the rabbi >from
Zhitomir, Ukraine--as well as the construction of a memorial in the forest
of Bronica (Bronycja), the site of Aktions (mass killings) where over 18,000
Jews >from these towns were slaughtered during WWII.

We will be combining the SRRG (Suchostaw Region Research Group) and
Drohobycz BOFs for these presentations, and will then break into town groups
afterwords for networking, but anyone with an interest in these topics, or
in hearing a first-hand account about what life was like in these Galician
towns during the interwar years, is invited to attend.

Meeting details and directions can be found at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/joint_meeting.html#BOF

and

http://www.jgsny.org/events.htm

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@...

There will be a special Drohobycz-Borislav-Sambor birds-of-a-feather
meeting taking place on Sunday, November 20th >from 12P - 2P, preceding
the JGSNY/Gesher Galicia Regional Meeting (at 2PM) at the Center for
Jewish History at 15 West 16th St. in New York City.

Because this gathering may be of interest even to those people who don't
have ancestors >from these specific towns, and all are invited, we're
providing some details:

There will be a special PowerPoint presentation by Valerie Schatzker,
webmaster of the Drohobycz Administrative District website, on "The Jewish
Oil Magnates" a book translation she is currently editing on the oil
industry in Drohobycz. Written in Yiddish and published in England in 1954,
it details the history of the first refineries, the oil boom in
Drohobycz--beginning in the mid-19th century--and the lives of the Jewish
oil magnates. She will also detail recent research she has conducted in
Vienna relating to Galicia.

We are also honored to have Mr. Rubin Schmer at this gathering. Born in
Drohobycz in 1925, he left on June 29, 1941--one day before the Germans
invaded. He will discuss the cemetery and synagogue restoration projects he
is coordinating in Drohobycz--with the assistance of the rabbi >from
Zhitomir, Ukraine--as well as the construction of a memorial in the forest
of Bronica (Bronycja), the site of Aktions (mass killings) where over 18,000
Jews >from these towns were slaughtered during WWII.

We will be combining the SRRG (Suchostaw Region Research Group) and
Drohobycz BOFs for these presentations, and will then break into town groups
afterwords for networking, but anyone with an interest in these topics, or
in hearing a first-hand account about what life was like in these Galician
towns during the interwar years, is invited to attend.

Meeting details and directions can be found at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/joint_meeting.html#BOF

and

http://www.jgsny.org/events.htm

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Pamela Weisberger
Research Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
pweisberger@...

Dear Siggers,
Further to my posting of today I started digging and
found out the Lattsi Tauber was apparently invoved in
the 1940 Mutiny of the Czechoslovaks in the British
Army.
The following link has a certain Private Lazar Tauber
and I suspect it is him.
http://www.geocities.com/czechandslovakthings/WW2_CzSkB_lst_mutiny.htm
Hope it will help us.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Dear Siggers,
Further to my posting of today I started digging and
found out the Lattsi Tauber was apparently invoved in
the 1940 Mutiny of the Czechoslovaks in the British
Army.
The following link has a certain Private Lazar Tauber
and I suspect it is him.
http://www.geocities.com/czechandslovakthings/WW2_CzSkB_lst_mutiny.htm
Hope it will help us.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Alan and others: Re:

"Subject: Re: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow
records?

I've just learned of two records in the PSA for the town of Tarnow. <snip>

I could order photocopies of the original records through JRI -Poland, but
once before I tried ordering photocopies of a bunch of records, and they
came with absolutely no additional information. Just exactly the same stuff
that I'd gotten on line
- but harder to read. They went straight into the waste basket.

Have any of you ever ordered photocopies of Tarnow records like these?

Did they have any additional information beyond what was on line?

If the original record had parents' names, wouldn't that have been included
with the index information?"

ANSWER:

Yes, and I am emailing Alan with one of the .jpg files that I posted onto
Viewmate a few months ago. Long story short: He will get the parents of
both the father and the mother, the witnesses, if a boy - not the case in
his request - the mohel, and additional notes. At least that is what I
received for two birth records for 1881 and 1884.

Best to all

Dennis Gries
Sarasota FL

Alan and others: Re:

"Subject: Re: is there additional information in photocopies of Tarnow
records?

I've just learned of two records in the PSA for the town of Tarnow. <snip>

I could order photocopies of the original records through JRI -Poland, but
once before I tried ordering photocopies of a bunch of records, and they
came with absolutely no additional information. Just exactly the same stuff
that I'd gotten on line
- but harder to read. They went straight into the waste basket.

Have any of you ever ordered photocopies of Tarnow records like these?

Did they have any additional information beyond what was on line?

If the original record had parents' names, wouldn't that have been included
with the index information?"

ANSWER:

Yes, and I am emailing Alan with one of the .jpg files that I posted onto
Viewmate a few months ago. Long story short: He will get the parents of
both the father and the mother, the witnesses, if a boy - not the case in
his request - the mohel, and additional notes. At least that is what I
received for two birth records for 1881 and 1884.

Best to all

Dennis Gries
Sarasota FL

Alexander Beider's book. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames in Galicia,
identifies BLASS(ER) and BLATT(ER) with two different meanings. However,
Alan is using the JRI-Poland database in a creative way to identify
possible connections that would otherwise never be explored.

To help Galician researchers understand what can be found in the records
you are considering ordering through the JRI-Poland order system, we
provide "A Guide to Headings of 19th Century Galician Jewish Vital
Record Forms" that can be accessed at
http://www.jri-poland.org/jripltip.htm by clicking on the link. This
document is in PDF format and requires the free Adobe Acrobat reader to
view.

In the JewishGen, JRI-Poland, and this discussion forum, I have
previously identified research strategies for using the JRI-Poland
record indices in your research. Here is a summary.

1) Order post 1876 records first. They have more genealogical
information than older records.
2) Order birth records first as they have the most genealogically
relevant information. Concentrate on the family of the mother.
Birth records always includes some information about the mother's
parents.
3) Birth records serve as civil register for the person. Important
events that change the civil status, such as civil marriage of parents,
his/her civil marriage, death, name change, etc., are subsequently
recorded on the birth record.
4) Marriage records also have genealogically relevant information.
5) Death records usually contain less genealogically relevant
information. Close relatives names are normally shown as follows:
For Child, the mother, father, or both. For single Woman, sometimes the
father. For Married Woman, usually the Husband. And for Men, nothing.

All records ordered through the Polish Archives have more information
than contained in the JRI-Poland index entry. The strategies outlined
above will help you optimize your research and gain the additional
information needed. JRI-Poland is a valuable FIRST step in finding clues
to locating family records. It would be expensive and inefficient for
JRI-Poland to create complete extracts of these records.

In Alan's case, if he has good reason to suspect that the BLASSER family
could be his BLATT family, I would suggest ordering the 1877 birth as it
will have more information that the earlier 1872 birth record.

Alan also mentioned that he ordered copies of Tarnow records before and
they came with absolutely no additional information. I would venture a
guess that he had ordered death records. Death records do have more
information than the index entry contains, but, in many cases, do not
have much genealogically valuable information.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Order Processing Coordinator

Alexander Beider's book. A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames in Galicia,
identifies BLASS(ER) and BLATT(ER) with two different meanings. However,
Alan is using the JRI-Poland database in a creative way to identify
possible connections that would otherwise never be explored.

To help Galician researchers understand what can be found in the records
you are considering ordering through the JRI-Poland order system, we
provide "A Guide to Headings of 19th Century Galician Jewish Vital
Record Forms" that can be accessed at
http://www.jri-poland.org/jripltip.htm by clicking on the link. This
document is in PDF format and requires the free Adobe Acrobat reader to
view.

In the JewishGen, JRI-Poland, and this discussion forum, I have
previously identified research strategies for using the JRI-Poland
record indices in your research. Here is a summary.

1) Order post 1876 records first. They have more genealogical
information than older records.
2) Order birth records first as they have the most genealogically
relevant information. Concentrate on the family of the mother.
Birth records always includes some information about the mother's
parents.
3) Birth records serve as civil register for the person. Important
events that change the civil status, such as civil marriage of parents,
his/her civil marriage, death, name change, etc., are subsequently
recorded on the birth record.
4) Marriage records also have genealogically relevant information.
5) Death records usually contain less genealogically relevant
information. Close relatives names are normally shown as follows:
For Child, the mother, father, or both. For single Woman, sometimes the
father. For Married Woman, usually the Husband. And for Men, nothing.

All records ordered through the Polish Archives have more information
than contained in the JRI-Poland index entry. The strategies outlined
above will help you optimize your research and gain the additional
information needed. JRI-Poland is a valuable FIRST step in finding clues
to locating family records. It would be expensive and inefficient for
JRI-Poland to create complete extracts of these records.

In Alan's case, if he has good reason to suspect that the BLASSER family
could be his BLATT family, I would suggest ordering the 1877 birth as it
will have more information that the earlier 1872 birth record.

Alan also mentioned that he ordered copies of Tarnow records before and
they came with absolutely no additional information. I would venture a
guess that he had ordered death records. Death records do have more
information than the index entry contains, but, in many cases, do not
have much genealogically valuable information.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Order Processing Coordinator