I am starting a Geographic DNA project with Family Tree DNA for
Przedborz, Poland (or close by). The idea is to find men and women
whose ancestry is >from that town who may potentially have common
ancestry. Though both men and women can be tested for this, the only
two tests available for this are the standard Y-DNA and mt-dna
tests, so you would have to have an ancestor >from Przedborz who is
in your pure paternal (father's father's father's father, etc.) or
pure maternal line (mother's mother's mother, etc.).

In the course of my genealogical research I have found folks from
one family marriying into another over several generations. If this
was a common practice for centuries, I would expect many folks in
the town have common ancestors, and this sort of testing could be
illuminating. At the same time, you will be finding potential
cousins. of course, this is a potential hypothesis for all shtetls,
or possibly all small towns in which it is taboo to marry outside of
one's religion or ethnic group.

Even if you don't have a direct female or male ancestor, you might
be able to find a surrogate (a brother for YDNA , a female cousin
for mtdna, etc.). In any case, I'd like to hear >from you, because
we might still be able to share genealogical research anyway.

Please contact me privately or check ftdna.com. If you have more
general comments on plausibility of the study, a post to the group
or a private email would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA

I am starting a Geographic DNA project with Family Tree DNA for
Przedborz, Poland (or close by). The idea is to find men and women
whose ancestry is >from that town who may potentially have common
ancestry. Though both men and women can be tested for this, the only
two tests available for this are the standard Y-DNA and mt-dna
tests, so you would have to have an ancestor >from Przedborz who is
in your pure paternal (father's father's father's father, etc.) or
pure maternal line (mother's mother's mother, etc.).

In the course of my genealogical research I have found folks from
one family marriying into another over several generations. If this
was a common practice for centuries, I would expect many folks in
the town have common ancestors, and this sort of testing could be
illuminating. At the same time, you will be finding potential
cousins. of course, this is a potential hypothesis for all shtetls,
or possibly all small towns in which it is taboo to marry outside of
one's religion or ethnic group.

Even if you don't have a direct female or male ancestor, you might
be able to find a surrogate (a brother for YDNA , a female cousin
for mtdna, etc.). In any case, I'd like to hear >from you, because
we might still be able to share genealogical research anyway.

Please contact me privately or check ftdna.com. If you have more
general comments on plausibility of the study, a post to the group
or a private email would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA

Does anyone know of any descendants of Fidella FELLMAN, born 1880, in
Austria, came to America in 1899 at the age of 19. Where she came >from in
Austria is not known and her parents' names are not known.

In 1900, as specified in the Census of that year, she lived in Doon, Iowa,
with her aunt Lizzie Gross' family, then probably moved with them to
Atlantic City, NJ, or Philadelphia, PA. Her married name is not known and
she is not found in the Ellis Island/Castle Garden Databases.

Thanks for any assistance.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

Does anyone know of any descendants of Fidella FELLMAN, born 1880, in
Austria, came to America in 1899 at the age of 19. Where she came >from in
Austria is not known and her parents' names are not known.

In 1900, as specified in the Census of that year, she lived in Doon, Iowa,
with her aunt Lizzie Gross' family, then probably moved with them to
Atlantic City, NJ, or Philadelphia, PA. Her married name is not known and
she is not found in the Ellis Island/Castle Garden Databases.

Thanks for any assistance.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...

My favorite place to ask for maps is the Library of Congress. They are
free and very smart dealing with name changes. I have won maps of Polish
towns, i.e. Tarnobrzeg on the auction site Allegro.
Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca near LA

I am pleased to announce a new web page, part of my ZCHOR internet site,
dedicated to the memory of the Jewish community of Turek, Poland:
http://www.zchor.org/turek/turek.htm

Shalom

Ada Holtzman
www.zchor.org

My favorite place to ask for maps is the Library of Congress. They are
free and very smart dealing with name changes. I have won maps of Polish
towns, i.e. Tarnobrzeg on the auction site Allegro.
Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca near LA

I am pleased to announce a new web page, part of my ZCHOR internet site,
dedicated to the memory of the Jewish community of Turek, Poland:
http://www.zchor.org/turek/turek.htm

Shalom

Ada Holtzman
www.zchor.org

My apologies to the group. I forgot to put the time and place of JGSLI's
Sunday November 20 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

Again our guest speaker is Ron Arons. He will giving his very popular
"Bugsy Siegal and Meyer Lansky: The Men Behind the Flamingo Hotel" presentation.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President

My apologies to the group. I forgot to put the time and place of JGSLI's
Sunday November 20 meeting.

Time: 2:00 PM
Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York

Again our guest speaker is Ron Arons. He will giving his very popular
"Bugsy Siegal and Meyer Lansky: The Men Behind the Flamingo Hotel" presentation.

Jackie Wasserstein
Past President

Dear Colleagues,

If you have written a family history book this year, (or if you have never
before registered yours with AVOTAYNU), December 1 is the deadline for
submission of this information--to appear in the final 2005 issue of
AVOTAYNU.

Information should include:
Title of book, years and places covered, major family names included,
brief description of the book, libraries and institutions to which it has
been donated, cost and information about purchase.

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear Colleagues,

If you have written a family history book this year, (or if you have never
before registered yours with AVOTAYNU), December 1 is the deadline for
submission of this information--to appear in the final 2005 issue of
AVOTAYNU.

Information should include:
Title of book, years and places covered, major family names included,
brief description of the book, libraries and institutions to which it has
been donated, cost and information about purchase.

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear Colleagues,

Just a reminder. December 1 is the deadline for submission of human interest
stories for the final 2005 issue of *Avotaynu*.

Stories that illustrate an innovative research approach or an unusual source
are especially good--but so is a plain good tale.

Send them to me at sallyann.sack@....

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear Colleagues,

Just a reminder. December 1 is the deadline for submission of human interest
stories for the final 2005 issue of *Avotaynu*.

Stories that illustrate an innovative research approach or an unusual source
are especially good--but so is a plain good tale.

Send them to me at sallyann.sack@....

Sallyann Amdur Sack, editor
AVOTAYNU, the International Review of Jewish Genealogy

Dear JewishGendom,
I am searching for additional information about Ruth LEVY, daughter
of Leon and Sarah LEVY, who lived with her parents on East 152 Street in the
Bronx according to the 1930 US Census.
In addition, I am searching for two other Levy women in this extended
family, with the first names of Ella and Sarah, who were the daughters of
Leon and Jennie Levy, and who lived in Manhattan circa 1910. (This family appears
to have earlier lived in the Philadelphia area as they appear on the 1900 US
Census in Pennsylvania.)
This is the LEVY family tree at the moment:

1 Louis Levy b 1852 in Germany
.. +Jennie ??? b 1868 in Switzerland
......... 2 Leon Levy b 1883 in Lancaster, PA .............
+Sarah (Sarny?) GROSS b 1883 in Poland
.................... 3 Meyer LEVY 1910 - 1975 b in New York
.................... 3 Ruth Levy b abt 1913 in New York
......... 2 Ella Levy b 1895 in PA
......... 2 Sarah Levy b 1897 PA

I do not yet know if any of these three Levy women married or not, and I
am planning to do a brides index search soon at the NYC Municipal Archives.
Yes, I know that major parts of the NYC Brides Index just came on line,
but I need to do a bridal search in Manhattan which didn't go online yet, as
well as the Bronx after 1931 which should involve searching through the NYC
Clerk's Indexes.
All leads and suggestions will be very appreciated.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

Dear JewishGendom,
I am searching for additional information about Ruth LEVY, daughter
of Leon and Sarah LEVY, who lived with her parents on East 152 Street in the
Bronx according to the 1930 US Census.
In addition, I am searching for two other Levy women in this extended
family, with the first names of Ella and Sarah, who were the daughters of
Leon and Jennie Levy, and who lived in Manhattan circa 1910. (This family appears
to have earlier lived in the Philadelphia area as they appear on the 1900 US
Census in Pennsylvania.)
This is the LEVY family tree at the moment:

1 Louis Levy b 1852 in Germany
.. +Jennie ??? b 1868 in Switzerland
......... 2 Leon Levy b 1883 in Lancaster, PA .............
+Sarah (Sarny?) GROSS b 1883 in Poland
.................... 3 Meyer LEVY 1910 - 1975 b in New York
.................... 3 Ruth Levy b abt 1913 in New York
......... 2 Ella Levy b 1895 in PA
......... 2 Sarah Levy b 1897 PA

I do not yet know if any of these three Levy women married or not, and I
am planning to do a brides index search soon at the NYC Municipal Archives.
Yes, I know that major parts of the NYC Brides Index just came on line,
but I need to do a bridal search in Manhattan which didn't go online yet, as
well as the Bronx after 1931 which should involve searching through the NYC
Clerk's Indexes.
All leads and suggestions will be very appreciated.
Shalom,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

Dear Cousins,

Janice Sellers asked about the requirement for a death certificate in
New York City for a stillborn infant. She is searching for a record from
1915. I had commented that it has been long required in N.Y.C. for
burial, cremation, and even moving a body to another locality.

I'm assuming that the question is about both practice and fact, and I
must admit that I'm answering this without documentation, but >from common
sense.

For a full-term fetus being buried in a cemetery, certainly a death
certificate was issued whether the stillbirth occurred at home, in a
hospital, or anywhere else, because it was required for the burial permit.

However, for a mid-pregnancy miscarriage that happened at home, without
a cemetery burial, I can easily see how a death certificate could have not
been issued. The family would have had to contact a medical doctor,
clinic, or hospital, and while it may seem "normal" to do so nowadays, at
that time many women didn't see a doctor at any time during their
pregnancies, and midwives handled the deliveries. The family could have
disposed of the fetus' body outside of formal medical channels, sparing
expense, paperwork, and anguish.

If anybody has information on how often death certificates were issued
for stillbirths in New York City (along with the time period involved),
I'll be very interested.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.

Dear Cousins,

Janice Sellers asked about the requirement for a death certificate in
New York City for a stillborn infant. She is searching for a record from
1915. I had commented that it has been long required in N.Y.C. for
burial, cremation, and even moving a body to another locality.

I'm assuming that the question is about both practice and fact, and I
must admit that I'm answering this without documentation, but >from common
sense.

For a full-term fetus being buried in a cemetery, certainly a death
certificate was issued whether the stillbirth occurred at home, in a
hospital, or anywhere else, because it was required for the burial permit.

However, for a mid-pregnancy miscarriage that happened at home, without
a cemetery burial, I can easily see how a death certificate could have not
been issued. The family would have had to contact a medical doctor,
clinic, or hospital, and while it may seem "normal" to do so nowadays, at
that time many women didn't see a doctor at any time during their
pregnancies, and midwives handled the deliveries. The family could have
disposed of the fetus' body outside of formal medical channels, sparing
expense, paperwork, and anguish.

If anybody has information on how often death certificates were issued
for stillbirths in New York City (along with the time period involved),
I'll be very interested.

Ira
Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.

"Can someome please answer a question regarding
Panavesch (district, town, region) records."

Penevezys revision lists
(1816,1818,1834,1840,1842,1847) and vital records are
in the State Lithuanian Historical archives.
Tax payers lists are in Kaunas.

Irene Kudish
Tel-Aviv
researcher-translator

"Can someome please answer a question regarding
Panavesch (district, town, region) records."

Penevezys revision lists
(1816,1818,1834,1840,1842,1847) and vital records are
in the State Lithuanian Historical archives.
Tax payers lists are in Kaunas.

Irene Kudish
Tel-Aviv
researcher-translator