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researchers and documents #belarus

Sabrina Rabinovich
 

Dear list

I'm new on the Jewishgen and need some advice. I was
looking a list of researchers but did not find any.
Maybe some of you knows a good one who works in
Vilna. I have many family names to search in the
region of Smorgany (Lithuania) and Druya (Belarus).
Can any of you confirm the availability of Druya
documents in Lithuanian archives?
Many thanks in advance.

Sabrina Rabinovich
sabrina_rab@...
France

Researching: Milmann, Levy, Rabinovich (Smorgany),
Jofe, Grinin (Druya)
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Belarus SIG #Belarus researchers and documents #belarus

Sabrina Rabinovich
 

Dear list

I'm new on the Jewishgen and need some advice. I was
looking a list of researchers but did not find any.
Maybe some of you knows a good one who works in
Vilna. I have many family names to search in the
region of Smorgany (Lithuania) and Druya (Belarus).
Can any of you confirm the availability of Druya
documents in Lithuanian archives?
Many thanks in advance.

Sabrina Rabinovich
sabrina_rab@...
France

Researching: Milmann, Levy, Rabinovich (Smorgany),
Jofe, Grinin (Druya)
MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies only.


The "0" and "X" marks #poland

BLACKTHORN@...
 

My understanding of early Jewish immigrants was that those who in fact were
unable to write their names used a circle instead of an X because the X was
considered to be a Christian mark symbolizing the sign of the cross. In
Yiddish a circle is a kichel, hence the probable origin of the word Kike to
denote a Jew. Keeping in mind that most goyim were not good at their "chh"
sounds.

Sherwin Zaban
Blackthorn@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Further discussion of the etymology of words mentioned
in this post should be carried on privately, as they are not within the
scope of this list.


JRI Poland #Poland The "0" and "X" marks #poland

BLACKTHORN@...
 

My understanding of early Jewish immigrants was that those who in fact were
unable to write their names used a circle instead of an X because the X was
considered to be a Christian mark symbolizing the sign of the cross. In
Yiddish a circle is a kichel, hence the probable origin of the word Kike to
denote a Jew. Keeping in mind that most goyim were not good at their "chh"
sounds.

Sherwin Zaban
Blackthorn@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Further discussion of the etymology of words mentioned
in this post should be carried on privately, as they are not within the
scope of this list.


Traveling to SIENIAWA and ZELECHOW - need guide or other help #poland

A G <wildelmo1@...>
 

Hi all,

I'm currently in Berlin and would like to make an
unplanned stop in Poland before I return to the US via
London. The two major towns I want to visit, mainly
to look at the Jewish cemetaries, but also for
archival research if possible, are SIENIAWA (near
JAROSLAW on the San river) and ZELECHOW.

I speak no Polish, but a little bit of German and
Yiddish. I have no idea of how to get around, and a
relatively small budget. I also need to be back in
London by Monday, and want to avoid visiting the
cemetaries on Shabbat if possible, out of respect for
my religious ancestors.

Anyhow, if anyone can provide me with some basic help,
or put me in touch with anyone who can, please email me
directly, and include phone numbers if possible.

The info is needed ASAP, as I plan to leave for Warsaw
today or tomorrow as the first leg of the journey.

Thanks!

- Abe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Traveling to SIENIAWA and ZELECHOW - need guide or other help #poland

A G <wildelmo1@...>
 

Hi all,

I'm currently in Berlin and would like to make an
unplanned stop in Poland before I return to the US via
London. The two major towns I want to visit, mainly
to look at the Jewish cemetaries, but also for
archival research if possible, are SIENIAWA (near
JAROSLAW on the San river) and ZELECHOW.

I speak no Polish, but a little bit of German and
Yiddish. I have no idea of how to get around, and a
relatively small budget. I also need to be back in
London by Monday, and want to avoid visiting the
cemetaries on Shabbat if possible, out of respect for
my religious ancestors.

Anyhow, if anyone can provide me with some basic help,
or put me in touch with anyone who can, please email me
directly, and include phone numbers if possible.

The info is needed ASAP, as I plan to leave for Warsaw
today or tomorrow as the first leg of the journey.

Thanks!

- Abe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Illiteracy #poland

MOkladek@...
 

Several people have replied to my last message, mentioning that perhaps the
Jews knew Yiddish and Hebrew but not Polish or Russian. And that was the
reason they added the three circles, indicating illiteracy. That is hard
for me to believe. Even if they didnt know Polish well, I think they must
have known enough Polish to write their names.

But even if it is true, that they only knew Yiddish and Hebrew, it doesnt
explain why they didn't sign their names in Yiddish, as so many others did.

I still believe that the circles indicated the absence of the witnesses to
sign the document, and not illiteracy.

Madeleine Okladek


JRI Poland #Poland Illiteracy #poland

MOkladek@...
 

Several people have replied to my last message, mentioning that perhaps the
Jews knew Yiddish and Hebrew but not Polish or Russian. And that was the
reason they added the three circles, indicating illiteracy. That is hard
for me to believe. Even if they didnt know Polish well, I think they must
have known enough Polish to write their names.

But even if it is true, that they only knew Yiddish and Hebrew, it doesnt
explain why they didn't sign their names in Yiddish, as so many others did.

I still believe that the circles indicated the absence of the witnesses to
sign the document, and not illiteracy.

Madeleine Okladek


Re: city location #hungary

Ted Grossman <tgrossman@...>
 

By any chance to you mean Csuz? It's where my father was born, and is
now a part of Slovakia, and with the name Domika.
Ted Grossman
Eastsound

On Aug 11, 2005, at 5:26 AM, Cass Twitchell wrote:

Does anyone have any information re the location of the town, vilage
or city
of Csur Hungary 11/87?
Cassandra Csuri Twitchell,
Ashland Ohio USA


Osztrogoszk #hungary

more0318@...
 

I found a record for one of my relatives, who was last recorded in a
Hungarian Labour Battalion in 1943 at Osztrogoszk. I can't find this
location on a map. Does anyone know where it is and what it is called now?
Thanks.

Mike More
mikemore@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Osztrogoszk #hungary

more0318@...
 

I found a record for one of my relatives, who was last recorded in a
Hungarian Labour Battalion in 1943 at Osztrogoszk. I can't find this
location on a map. Does anyone know where it is and what it is called now?
Thanks.

Mike More
mikemore@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: city location #hungary

Ted Grossman <tgrossman@...>
 

By any chance to you mean Csuz? It's where my father was born, and is
now a part of Slovakia, and with the name Domika.
Ted Grossman
Eastsound

On Aug 11, 2005, at 5:26 AM, Cass Twitchell wrote:

Does anyone have any information re the location of the town, vilage
or city
of Csur Hungary 11/87?
Cassandra Csuri Twitchell,
Ashland Ohio USA


FHL JEWISH RECORDS FOR HUNGARY #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Genners,

Does anyone know if there are more Jewish records for Hungarian towns that
have not yet been filmed? Is it worth it to contact the county archives to
ask if these records exist?

Thanks.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary FHL JEWISH RECORDS FOR HUNGARY #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Genners,

Does anyone know if there are more Jewish records for Hungarian towns that
have not yet been filmed? Is it worth it to contact the county archives to
ask if these records exist?

Thanks.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...


translation/interpretation help #hungary

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be grateful for translation/interpretation assistance on a Hungarian
marriage record. The record is an 1872 marriage for Sigmund BRAUNER and
Betti NEUMAN in Komarom, Hungary. Since I have several images of the
record, I have placed it on a web page rather than on ViewMate. I have
indicated my specific questions on the web page. The URL is:
http://www.patentstation.com/family2/braunerneumann.htm

I would greatly appreciate any responses. Please respond directly to me at
marc@....

Very truly yours,

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
email: marc@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary translation/interpretation help #hungary

Marc D. Machtinger <marc@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be grateful for translation/interpretation assistance on a Hungarian
marriage record. The record is an 1872 marriage for Sigmund BRAUNER and
Betti NEUMAN in Komarom, Hungary. Since I have several images of the
record, I have placed it on a web page rather than on ViewMate. I have
indicated my specific questions on the web page. The URL is:
http://www.patentstation.com/family2/braunerneumann.htm

I would greatly appreciate any responses. Please respond directly to me at
marc@....

Very truly yours,

Marc D. Machtinger, Buffalo Grove, Illinois, U.S.A.
email: marc@...


Re: Budapest - Buda - Pest Question #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Budapest is the city made up of what was originally
two cities: Buda on the left bank of the Danube and
Pest on the right bank. Buda was the original royal
city, and originally Pest was mostly marshes on the
right bank. Obuda is the place in Buda where the
original (so to speak) Jewish community was - as of
the early 18th Century - and was were probably where
earlier communities had been.

Today and since the second half of the 19th Century it
is all one city Budapest. As a point of interest the
Parliament, the main synagogue, District VII where
most Jews lived are all on the right bank - meaning
Pest. When people say they are >from Buda they mean the
left bank. When they say they are >from Pest it can
mean either Budapest as a whole or just Pest - i.e.
the right bank. Also by now the city has I believe 22
districts and after WWII, some of the suburbs became
part of the city.

Keep also in mind that the great influx of Jews in the
city - and city growth took place in the second part
of the 19th Century.

Robert Neu

--- Karen Cecilio <kcecilio@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am actively researching my husband's line, KAUNITZ
(KAUNICZ)
who lived in the villages of Baan, Nyitra, Illava,
Dubnicz, etc.
I am finding at some points that some of them move
to the city
of Budapest.

I am interested in looking at the LDS films of the
city, but am
rather baffled by what the differences are between
Buda, Pest,
Obuda, and Budapest itself. Are they all districts
of the same
city, or are they their own individual towns?

A little primer would be helpful. I can't seem to
find a good
explanation online.

Thank you,
Karen Cecilio
Akron, Ohio


Hungarian Woman, Photograph Posting #hungary

Alex W. Magocsi Jr. <alexander.magocsi@...>
 

I have posted a photograph >from the late 1930s of a group of Hungarian women.
The photograph shows my Grandmother Anna (Hani) Magocsi nee Grosz, b. in
Nyirbator HU, with other women, all dressed in what I assume are somewhat
tradional dresses.

I suspect that these women were all members of a Hungarian club in the greater
New York City area.

The photograph can be viewed at the following web site:
www.magocsi.org/hungarian_women_1930s.jpeg

Perhaps one of your ancestors is shown.
If someone has more information regarding the photograph, please eMail me.

Regards
Alex
York, Maine


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Woman, Photograph Posting #hungary

Alex W. Magocsi Jr. <alexander.magocsi@...>
 

I have posted a photograph >from the late 1930s of a group of Hungarian women.
The photograph shows my Grandmother Anna (Hani) Magocsi nee Grosz, b. in
Nyirbator HU, with other women, all dressed in what I assume are somewhat
tradional dresses.

I suspect that these women were all members of a Hungarian club in the greater
New York City area.

The photograph can be viewed at the following web site:
www.magocsi.org/hungarian_women_1930s.jpeg

Perhaps one of your ancestors is shown.
If someone has more information regarding the photograph, please eMail me.

Regards
Alex
York, Maine


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Budapest - Buda - Pest Question #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Budapest is the city made up of what was originally
two cities: Buda on the left bank of the Danube and
Pest on the right bank. Buda was the original royal
city, and originally Pest was mostly marshes on the
right bank. Obuda is the place in Buda where the
original (so to speak) Jewish community was - as of
the early 18th Century - and was were probably where
earlier communities had been.

Today and since the second half of the 19th Century it
is all one city Budapest. As a point of interest the
Parliament, the main synagogue, District VII where
most Jews lived are all on the right bank - meaning
Pest. When people say they are >from Buda they mean the
left bank. When they say they are >from Pest it can
mean either Budapest as a whole or just Pest - i.e.
the right bank. Also by now the city has I believe 22
districts and after WWII, some of the suburbs became
part of the city.

Keep also in mind that the great influx of Jews in the
city - and city growth took place in the second part
of the 19th Century.

Robert Neu

--- Karen Cecilio <kcecilio@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am actively researching my husband's line, KAUNITZ
(KAUNICZ)
who lived in the villages of Baan, Nyitra, Illava,
Dubnicz, etc.
I am finding at some points that some of them move
to the city
of Budapest.

I am interested in looking at the LDS films of the
city, but am
rather baffled by what the differences are between
Buda, Pest,
Obuda, and Budapest itself. Are they all districts
of the same
city, or are they their own individual towns?

A little primer would be helpful. I can't seem to
find a good
explanation online.

Thank you,
Karen Cecilio
Akron, Ohio