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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine 3 great grandchildren & 2 great great grandchildren of Gadaliah Reznik meet #ukraine

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I wish to relate a success story to encourage those of you who are at a
brick wall.
For my parents 50th anniversary in 1985 I did my first family tree. My
father had an excellent memory and gave me info back to his great
grandfather.
When the Yad Vashem database went out line I wrote to a woman in the Ukraine
and a woman in NY who had immigrate >from Russia.
Berta, the daughter of the woman in the Ukraine turns out to be my second
cousin. Her grandfather and my grandmother were brother and sister. Zila,
the woman in NY is her aunt - my first cousin once removed(?). We exchanged
letters and info.
Then the daughter of another second cousin I knew nothing about wrote to the
woman in NY to do a family tree and Zila told her to contact me. It seems
that she immigrated to Israel about 12 years ago and didn't know she had
family here. After her, her parents came. Last week we had a meeting in
Jerusalem with Berta who is here visiting >from the Ukraine, Anatoly her
cousin (my second) who lives here, his daughter and...... another second
cousin once removed (she is the descendant >from a third child of my great
grandfather, who knows Anatloy's family in Jerusalem but didn't know she was
related, not once but twice. Once throught the Reznik line and once through
the Kaminsky line.
Now we just have to find descendants of the 4 other children of our great
grandfather.
Really unbelievable! So don't give up hope, and keep searching now. If you
think a generation or two ago our relatives scattered when leaving the
Ukraine, the younger generation has scattered over even a wider part of the
world.
Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK Litin & Kalinovka Ukraine
EPSTEIN, BOYARKSY Ruzhany, Kossovo, Mscibow Belarus
TREPPER, TREPMAN, FELDMAN, LICHT, SOICHER, SLOVIK, SZPERBER, ORENSTEIN
Warsaw Poland


3 great grandchildren & 2 great great grandchildren of Gadaliah Reznik meet #ukraine

Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
 

I wish to relate a success story to encourage those of you who are at a
brick wall.
For my parents 50th anniversary in 1985 I did my first family tree. My
father had an excellent memory and gave me info back to his great
grandfather.
When the Yad Vashem database went out line I wrote to a woman in the Ukraine
and a woman in NY who had immigrate >from Russia.
Berta, the daughter of the woman in the Ukraine turns out to be my second
cousin. Her grandfather and my grandmother were brother and sister. Zila,
the woman in NY is her aunt - my first cousin once removed(?). We exchanged
letters and info.
Then the daughter of another second cousin I knew nothing about wrote to the
woman in NY to do a family tree and Zila told her to contact me. It seems
that she immigrated to Israel about 12 years ago and didn't know she had
family here. After her, her parents came. Last week we had a meeting in
Jerusalem with Berta who is here visiting >from the Ukraine, Anatoly her
cousin (my second) who lives here, his daughter and...... another second
cousin once removed (she is the descendant >from a third child of my great
grandfather, who knows Anatloy's family in Jerusalem but didn't know she was
related, not once but twice. Once throught the Reznik line and once through
the Kaminsky line.
Now we just have to find descendants of the 4 other children of our great
grandfather.
Really unbelievable! So don't give up hope, and keep searching now. If you
think a generation or two ago our relatives scattered when leaving the
Ukraine, the younger generation has scattered over even a wider part of the
world.
Rose Feldman
GITNER, REZNIK Litin & Kalinovka Ukraine
EPSTEIN, BOYARKSY Ruzhany, Kossovo, Mscibow Belarus
TREPPER, TREPMAN, FELDMAN, LICHT, SOICHER, SLOVIK, SZPERBER, ORENSTEIN
Warsaw Poland


Re: Cemetery Offices #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

I went to a couple NY cemeteries, maybe 10 years ago,
and they were very helpful(I didn't call ahead). I
went on a Sunday, which is the day I thought the staff
would be there, and they were. They had records of
who was buried where - I got maps to my gr
grandparents' plots, and when I found my gr
grandmother's foster mother in one, I ran back and
found out that her husband was buried many years
before she was (1864), elsewhere in the cemetery.

Actually I had phoned one of the cemeteries a few
years before that, and the staff gave me my gr
grandfather's death date over the phone.

So my experience was very positive. The cemeteries I
dealt with were very helpful.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Cemetery Offices #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>
 

I went to a couple NY cemeteries, maybe 10 years ago,
and they were very helpful(I didn't call ahead). I
went on a Sunday, which is the day I thought the staff
would be there, and they were. They had records of
who was buried where - I got maps to my gr
grandparents' plots, and when I found my gr
grandmother's foster mother in one, I ran back and
found out that her husband was buried many years
before she was (1864), elsewhere in the cemetery.

Actually I had phoned one of the cemeteries a few
years before that, and the staff gave me my gr
grandfather's death date over the phone.

So my experience was very positive. The cemeteries I
dealt with were very helpful.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


Creation of shipping manifests? #general

Doug Mason
 

I very recently posted an enquiry asking how a ship's Manifest (passenger
list) was compiled. I have thought about this a bit more, and want to
share my thoughts so people can correct me and can help my understanding.

The question was raised in my mind because the name "Sam" was miswritten
on a Manifest as "Lain". A completely understandable mistake, if the
source used by the author of the Manifest was a written document.

The person named "Lain" was not a passenger. He was the husband of a
passenger, whom she was going to join in USA. Her husband had already been
in USA for about 5 years. Hence the error has nothing to do with an
indexer of the Ellis Island record.

The actual manifest is typed, not handwritten. To see it, search for Alta
MANDELBAUM. She arrived on the "Baltic" in November 1920.

Searches for other arrivals of the "Baltic" around that time show that the
Manifests for those journeys are also typed. (The only handwritten entries
are for the names of the members of the crew.) Presumably, comparisons of
handwriting for several journeys of another ship might also show all their
Manifests were written by the one person.

This shows me that a Manifest was created by the management of the ship,
not by the US Immigration service. This is corroborated by the fact that
the Commander or Master signs an Affidavit before the Immigration Officer
certifying to the correctness of his Manifest.

I assume, therefore, that the ship's company created the Manifest either
before the ship departed for USA or it was compiled on board.

Presumably, the writer of a Manifest had access to passengers' documents
and to information provided orally.

How were questions posed to passengers who could not speak English? How
did those passengers respond? The fact that "Lain" is a written error,
rather than an oral error, indicates information was provided in writing.

Alta gives her father's surname as "Lukerblatt". The father of her sister
has the same name. But her sister's surname is given as "Fukerblatt".
Clearly a written source was used by the writer of the Manifest.

Perhaps someone knows the name(s) of sister ships to the "Baltic" and
could tell me if their Manifests were also typed, perhaps on the same
typewriter. It would be better to search for journeys taken in the period
1919 to 1921.

Since Manifests were compiled >from primary sources (written and oral),
Manifests are a secondary source. It is obviously far better if possible
to locate the passenger's application for Naturalization, since this is a
primary source.

A Manifest provided a standardised format for providing information to the
Immigration bureaucracy.

I am simply trying to make a sense of this for myself. I was once told: "a
text without a context is a pretext".

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Creation of shipping manifests? #general

Doug Mason
 

I very recently posted an enquiry asking how a ship's Manifest (passenger
list) was compiled. I have thought about this a bit more, and want to
share my thoughts so people can correct me and can help my understanding.

The question was raised in my mind because the name "Sam" was miswritten
on a Manifest as "Lain". A completely understandable mistake, if the
source used by the author of the Manifest was a written document.

The person named "Lain" was not a passenger. He was the husband of a
passenger, whom she was going to join in USA. Her husband had already been
in USA for about 5 years. Hence the error has nothing to do with an
indexer of the Ellis Island record.

The actual manifest is typed, not handwritten. To see it, search for Alta
MANDELBAUM. She arrived on the "Baltic" in November 1920.

Searches for other arrivals of the "Baltic" around that time show that the
Manifests for those journeys are also typed. (The only handwritten entries
are for the names of the members of the crew.) Presumably, comparisons of
handwriting for several journeys of another ship might also show all their
Manifests were written by the one person.

This shows me that a Manifest was created by the management of the ship,
not by the US Immigration service. This is corroborated by the fact that
the Commander or Master signs an Affidavit before the Immigration Officer
certifying to the correctness of his Manifest.

I assume, therefore, that the ship's company created the Manifest either
before the ship departed for USA or it was compiled on board.

Presumably, the writer of a Manifest had access to passengers' documents
and to information provided orally.

How were questions posed to passengers who could not speak English? How
did those passengers respond? The fact that "Lain" is a written error,
rather than an oral error, indicates information was provided in writing.

Alta gives her father's surname as "Lukerblatt". The father of her sister
has the same name. But her sister's surname is given as "Fukerblatt".
Clearly a written source was used by the writer of the Manifest.

Perhaps someone knows the name(s) of sister ships to the "Baltic" and
could tell me if their Manifests were also typed, perhaps on the same
typewriter. It would be better to search for journeys taken in the period
1919 to 1921.

Since Manifests were compiled >from primary sources (written and oral),
Manifests are a secondary source. It is obviously far better if possible
to locate the passenger's application for Naturalization, since this is a
primary source.

A Manifest provided a standardised format for providing information to the
Immigration bureaucracy.

I am simply trying to make a sense of this for myself. I was once told: "a
text without a context is a pretext".

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Australia


Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US #general

Judith Lipmanson <lipmanson@...>
 

Alan's post brings up an interesting question: what was the average
amount of time between Declarations of Intent and Petition for
Naturalization -- in NY, app. 1900?

I found a copy of my grandfather's Declaration among some papers
belonging to a cousin who inherited them but had no interest in learning
more about this ancestor. Some of the information on the Declaration
appeared to be erroneous -- probably deliberately on the part of my
grandfather . (He fudged about his age and his date of arrival -- two
habits he kept throughout his life.) I'm keeping in mind that this
information could be accurate and later information erroneous, but had
he immigrated when he states on this document, he would have been a
married man with two children at the age of 14. Doubtful.

I am now going to search for the final papers, and wonder where (which
year) to start. Was it a matter of weeks, months, or years between the
initial petition and final Petition? Was the entire process controlled
by the petitioner or by the Government at that time?

Judith Lipmanson

--
Subject: Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US
From: "Alan D Glick" < aglick1@... >
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:23:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 13

Naturalization Papers. In my own case my GF's Declaration of Intent
(first papers) had the date off by one week, but the Petition for
Naturalization (final papers) had the correct date. In addition to port of
entry, these papers told me the date of arrival, the approximate date of
departure, the name of the ship, where the ship embarked from, the
birthplace of my GF, his birthdate, current residence, occupation, age, his
original name, and his wife's birthyear. For me, most of this was a
treasure trove of new information.
I had also spent much time on the Ellis Island web site with a fruitless
search, until his Naturalization Papers told me he arrived in Boston. With
the info >from his papers I've ordered the passenger list >from my local FHL
branch and it should be arriving any day now.
Alan Glick >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US #general

Judith Lipmanson <lipmanson@...>
 

Alan's post brings up an interesting question: what was the average
amount of time between Declarations of Intent and Petition for
Naturalization -- in NY, app. 1900?

I found a copy of my grandfather's Declaration among some papers
belonging to a cousin who inherited them but had no interest in learning
more about this ancestor. Some of the information on the Declaration
appeared to be erroneous -- probably deliberately on the part of my
grandfather . (He fudged about his age and his date of arrival -- two
habits he kept throughout his life.) I'm keeping in mind that this
information could be accurate and later information erroneous, but had
he immigrated when he states on this document, he would have been a
married man with two children at the age of 14. Doubtful.

I am now going to search for the final papers, and wonder where (which
year) to start. Was it a matter of weeks, months, or years between the
initial petition and final Petition? Was the entire process controlled
by the petitioner or by the Government at that time?

Judith Lipmanson

--
Subject: Re: Best approach to determining port of entry to US
From: "Alan D Glick" < aglick1@... >
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:23:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 13

Naturalization Papers. In my own case my GF's Declaration of Intent
(first papers) had the date off by one week, but the Petition for
Naturalization (final papers) had the correct date. In addition to port of
entry, these papers told me the date of arrival, the approximate date of
departure, the name of the ship, where the ship embarked from, the
birthplace of my GF, his birthdate, current residence, occupation, age, his
original name, and his wife's birthyear. For me, most of this was a
treasure trove of new information.
I had also spent much time on the Ellis Island web site with a fruitless
search, until his Naturalization Papers told me he arrived in Boston. With
the info >from his papers I've ordered the passenger list >from my local FHL
branch and it should be arriving any day now.
Alan Glick >>>


any known information on family KNIAZ? #general

Elzbieta Kniaz
 

As I have just subscribed and am very new to this
method of searching, please forgive any mistakes. I
would also like to thank in advance anyone who might
respond to this e-mail. I do not own a computer, so I
use the local library facilities, and sometimes it is
impossible to squeeze everything into the limited time
provided.
I am searching for information (any relevant leads) on
my father/his family/his ancestors. His name was
Jozef KNIAZ. Born in Khodoriv (then Chodorow), lived
in Sambir (then Sambor). Year of birth 1899.
I was 12/13 when he died in 1962. He was a very
silent man and spoke very little about his past. The
little information that I have, was passed onto me by
my mother. My parents met and married in 1943/44 in
Ramla Israel. My mother also only revealed the basics.
I only know that he was arrested in 1939 in Lwow,
sentenced to be shot, somehow managed to escape being
killed but was sent to Siberia instead.
He had a brother and sister, and also two daughters by
his first wife (killed in the war). What happened to
all these people I do not know.
Since beginning my research I have found that there
are a number of KNIAZ's in Israel and am currently
exploring that.

Shalom
Ela KNIAZ -Sussex-England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen any known information on family KNIAZ? #general

Elzbieta Kniaz
 

As I have just subscribed and am very new to this
method of searching, please forgive any mistakes. I
would also like to thank in advance anyone who might
respond to this e-mail. I do not own a computer, so I
use the local library facilities, and sometimes it is
impossible to squeeze everything into the limited time
provided.
I am searching for information (any relevant leads) on
my father/his family/his ancestors. His name was
Jozef KNIAZ. Born in Khodoriv (then Chodorow), lived
in Sambir (then Sambor). Year of birth 1899.
I was 12/13 when he died in 1962. He was a very
silent man and spoke very little about his past. The
little information that I have, was passed onto me by
my mother. My parents met and married in 1943/44 in
Ramla Israel. My mother also only revealed the basics.
I only know that he was arrested in 1939 in Lwow,
sentenced to be shot, somehow managed to escape being
killed but was sent to Siberia instead.
He had a brother and sister, and also two daughters by
his first wife (killed in the war). What happened to
all these people I do not know.
Since beginning my research I have found that there
are a number of KNIAZ's in Israel and am currently
exploring that.

Shalom
Ela KNIAZ -Sussex-England


Re: Pun-yah Surname {in the UK and Australia} #general

Shaul and Aviva Ceder <ceder@...>
 

"Fonya" (according to my father, who lived as a refugee >from German-occupied
Poland in the Soviet Union) was actually a diminutive for Afanasy, the
Russian form of the Greek name Athanasios, which, for some reason,
represented the Russian Gentile as far as Jews were concerned.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Pun-yah Surname {in the UK and Australia} #general

Shaul and Aviva Ceder <ceder@...>
 

"Fonya" (according to my father, who lived as a refugee >from German-occupied
Poland in the Soviet Union) was actually a diminutive for Afanasy, the
Russian form of the Greek name Athanasios, which, for some reason,
represented the Russian Gentile as far as Jews were concerned.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you- viewmate,seren friedman #general

Pat Shaw <pat@...>
 

To All Jewish Genners,
Thank you to all of you who answeredmy questions about my family
FRIEDMAN. I had many answers which were all helpful.
Thank you again.

Pat Shaw
Williams, Oregon
Searching: FRIEDMAN, Szaloszend; FRIEDMAN, Buzinka; POLLACHEK, Debrecen


Thank you- viewmate,seren friedman #general

Pat Shaw <pat@...>
 

To All Jewish Genners,
Thank you to all of you who answeredmy questions about my family
FRIEDMAN. I had many answers which were all helpful.
Thank you again.

Pat Shaw
Williams, Oregon
Searching: FRIEDMAN, Szaloszend; FRIEDMAN, Buzinka; POLLACHEK, Debrecen


Romania SIG #Romania Re: Jewish Soldiers dead in WWI #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Sorin,

You do not give your place of residence, so I can only hope that you
might be in the US. If so, there are 18 libraries in the US that
hold that book, according to the OCLC WorldCat. You can request a copy
on Interlibrary Loan >from your nearest Public Library. At least you can
then look at it, and judge if it might list all the names, or at least
the ones you might be seeking.

There is also a copy at Oxford Univ., in the UK, as well as the
Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris, France.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG

Sorin Goldenberg wrote:

To all who asked me if I've ever got an answer to the question, the
answer I've got >from two different sources (thanks again) is:

There is a book containg such names :

"EVREII DIN ROMANIA IN RAZBOIUL DE REINTREGIRE A TARII (1916-1918) "
ISBN 973-92359-12-3, cost $10. Publisher - Ha Sefer, Bucharest.
MODERATOR NOTE: A reminder here of the importance of
always following the JewishGen rule to include your place
of residence in your signature!


Re: Jewish Soldiers dead in WWI #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Sorin,

You do not give your place of residence, so I can only hope that you
might be in the US. If so, there are 18 libraries in the US that
hold that book, according to the OCLC WorldCat. You can request a copy
on Interlibrary Loan >from your nearest Public Library. At least you can
then look at it, and judge if it might list all the names, or at least
the ones you might be seeking.

There is also a copy at Oxford Univ., in the UK, as well as the
Bibliotheque Nationale in Paris, France.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG

Sorin Goldenberg wrote:

To all who asked me if I've ever got an answer to the question, the
answer I've got >from two different sources (thanks again) is:

There is a book containg such names :

"EVREII DIN ROMANIA IN RAZBOIUL DE REINTREGIRE A TARII (1916-1918) "
ISBN 973-92359-12-3, cost $10. Publisher - Ha Sefer, Bucharest.
MODERATOR NOTE: A reminder here of the importance of
always following the JewishGen rule to include your place
of residence in your signature!


Romania SIG #Romania Interview with Stuart Tower, author of "The Wayfarers" - can be listened to online - September 3, 2005 #romania

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

STUART TOWER, author of "THE WAYFARERS",
was the JGS of Montreal's featured speaker in May, 2005.

On Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, at 8:30am (EST)
journalist Leslie Lutsky's radio interview with Stuart Tower
will be broadcast on Montreal radio and can be listened
to online at: http://www.radiocentreville.com/

California-based, Mr. Tower is the author of the best-selling Jewish
historical book,
"The Wayfarers". Published in 2003, "The Wayfarers" chronicles the
emigration, on foot,
of thousands of Jews >from Romania across Europe and to America, between
1899-1914.
In Yiddish, these wayfarers were known as 'fusgeyers'.

The response to this compelling epic saga has been overwhelming. This
fascinating story
tells of courageous, organized groups of young Jews defiantly set against
the sheer hopelessness
of life under harsh totalitarian rule, trekking to ports across the
dangerously anti-Semitic,
xenophobic Europe of the early 1900's. A docudrama based on the book is
being prepared
by Yale Strom. A feature film is also in the planning stages.

*For Montrealers - please set your dial at 102.3 FM at 8:30am*
on Saturday, September 3rd
to hear this interesting and informative interview!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Interview with Stuart Tower, author of "The Wayfarers" - can be listened to online - September 3, 2005 #romania

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

STUART TOWER, author of "THE WAYFARERS",
was the JGS of Montreal's featured speaker in May, 2005.

On Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, at 8:30am (EST)
journalist Leslie Lutsky's radio interview with Stuart Tower
will be broadcast on Montreal radio and can be listened
to online at: http://www.radiocentreville.com/

California-based, Mr. Tower is the author of the best-selling Jewish
historical book,
"The Wayfarers". Published in 2003, "The Wayfarers" chronicles the
emigration, on foot,
of thousands of Jews >from Romania across Europe and to America, between
1899-1914.
In Yiddish, these wayfarers were known as 'fusgeyers'.

The response to this compelling epic saga has been overwhelming. This
fascinating story
tells of courageous, organized groups of young Jews defiantly set against
the sheer hopelessness
of life under harsh totalitarian rule, trekking to ports across the
dangerously anti-Semitic,
xenophobic Europe of the early 1900's. A docudrama based on the book is
being prepared
by Yale Strom. A feature film is also in the planning stages.

*For Montrealers - please set your dial at 102.3 FM at 8:30am*
on Saturday, September 3rd
to hear this interesting and informative interview!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal, Programming
merlek@...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Mitchell Schwartz, son of Sylvia and Abe Achwartz #general

M. Amsel-Arieli <nomietai@...>
 

We are searching for Mitchell SCHWARTZ, son of
Sylvia and Abe Schwartz. Abe was killed in a
house intrusion in 1965 in Yonkers, NY....mother
and child then moved to California (?) and were
never heard of again. Mitchell (his surname
may later have been changed) was 27 months old
at the time. His cousins are desperately
searching for him. Can anyone help?

If you know a Mitchell (Schwartz?) who is c42
years old, whose father was murdered...

Our fear is that his mother remarried, assumed
the second husband's last name, and never
related the tragedy to her son.

Please contact me privately,
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim

Researching
Slovakia: AMSEL, SCHONFELD, BAUM, LANDAU, EINHORN, RITTER
Bessarabia: ZAZULIA, MORGENSTERN,CUSHILEVITZ, POLLAK
Galicia: EINSTEIN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mitchell Schwartz, son of Sylvia and Abe Achwartz #general

M. Amsel-Arieli <nomietai@...>
 

We are searching for Mitchell SCHWARTZ, son of
Sylvia and Abe Schwartz. Abe was killed in a
house intrusion in 1965 in Yonkers, NY....mother
and child then moved to California (?) and were
never heard of again. Mitchell (his surname
may later have been changed) was 27 months old
at the time. His cousins are desperately
searching for him. Can anyone help?

If you know a Mitchell (Schwartz?) who is c42
years old, whose father was murdered...

Our fear is that his mother remarried, assumed
the second husband's last name, and never
related the tragedy to her son.

Please contact me privately,
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim

Researching
Slovakia: AMSEL, SCHONFELD, BAUM, LANDAU, EINHORN, RITTER
Bessarabia: ZAZULIA, MORGENSTERN,CUSHILEVITZ, POLLAK
Galicia: EINSTEIN