I believe this was a major town in Ukraine, but in looking in the
Ukraine SIG on Jewish Gen, I find no reference to this. I looked
specifically under the Volhynia area. Am I looking in the wrong
place?

Also referenced as Wlodzimierzec, Wlodzimierz, Wladimir-Wolynsk,
Vlodzimezh, Vladimir-Volynskiy, Vladimir-Volynsk, Vladimir,
Volodymyr-Volyns'kyy (Native Name) , Volodymir-Volyns'kyy

The four holy communities of Volin district - Ludmir, Ostra,
Kremenets, and Lutsk

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
The Yuhrtzeit will be held in Tel Aviv on Sunday Oct. 9th,2005.
Please email me privately for more details.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

I believe this was a major town in Ukraine, but in looking in the
Ukraine SIG on Jewish Gen, I find no reference to this. I looked
specifically under the Volhynia area. Am I looking in the wrong
place?

Also referenced as Wlodzimierzec, Wlodzimierz, Wladimir-Wolynsk,
Vlodzimezh, Vladimir-Volynskiy, Vladimir-Volynsk, Vladimir,
Volodymyr-Volyns'kyy (Native Name) , Volodymir-Volyns'kyy

The four holy communities of Volin district - Ludmir, Ostra,
Kremenets, and Lutsk

Dear Genners and Galicianers,
The Yuhrtzeit will be held in Tel Aviv on Sunday Oct. 9th,2005.
Please email me privately for more details.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Thank you to all the Genners who responded to my request for help with
a translation. Everybody is so helpful.
Thanks again,

Cordially,
Renee PAYNE

Searching: Benhaim,Serfaty,Abecassis---Marrakech
Jacobowitz/Jakobowicz Sanok
Weiss Ungvar

An interesting article >from Haaretz Online about
a special program aimed at bringing back
"missing" branches to the fold.
This could be of genealogical importance down the
road, and might be of interest to JGS's in the
cities where the program is taking place.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/631795.html

Shaking Judaism out of the family tree

A program this year of the Federation of Jewish
Men's Clubs, which plans 20-30 programs in
synagogues across the country. Called "Open Dor"
-a play on words on the Hebrew word for
"generation," will be introduced in Cincinnati,
Los Angeles, Westchester NY, Florida and Texas,
among others.

shana tova!

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@...

Thank you to all the Genners who responded to my request for help with
a translation. Everybody is so helpful.
Thanks again,

Cordially,
Renee PAYNE

Searching: Benhaim,Serfaty,Abecassis---Marrakech
Jacobowitz/Jakobowicz Sanok
Weiss Ungvar

An interesting article >from Haaretz Online about
a special program aimed at bringing back
"missing" branches to the fold.
This could be of genealogical importance down the
road, and might be of interest to JGS's in the
cities where the program is taking place.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/631795.html

Shaking Judaism out of the family tree

A program this year of the Federation of Jewish
Men's Clubs, which plans 20-30 programs in
synagogues across the country. Called "Open Dor"
-a play on words on the Hebrew word for
"generation," will be introduced in Cincinnati,
Los Angeles, Westchester NY, Florida and Texas,
among others.

shana tova!

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@...

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:39:26 UTC, rosef@... (Rose Feldman)
opined:

There is a new Bezeq (telephone company) site but it does not include the
online directory. Lets hope they return it.
Rose Feldman
---
Sender: "Rose Feldman" <rosef@...>

The directory is still there where it always was
<http://www.144.bezek.com/>; I have just this minute visited it to
check.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:39:26 UTC, rosef@... (Rose Feldman)
opined:

There is a new Bezeq (telephone company) site but it does not include the
online directory. Lets hope they return it.
Rose Feldman
---
Sender: "Rose Feldman" <rosef@...>

The directory is still there where it always was
<http://www.144.bezek.com/>; I have just this minute visited it to
check.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

Dear Rosie & all,

Bezeq's site is located at:
http://www.bezeq.co.il/cultures/he-il/bezeq/

The online directory is at:
http://www.144.bezek.com/

It works for me !

Shana Tova,

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel

Researching:
KRAMARUTSKI, KARIVOROUCHKY - Lithuania
EISDORFER - Hungary
SLOMOVITS - Sighet, Rozavlea, Stramtura, Akna Szlatina
FRIEDMAN, GOLDSTEIN - North-East Hungary
NEIMAN/NAJMAN - Bedevla, Ukraine


"Rose Feldman" < rosef@... > :wrote:

There is a new Bezeq (telephone company) site but it does not include the
online directory. Lets hope they return it.
Rose Feldman

MODERATOR NOTE: Security software may affect your ability to get the
directory page. If you have that, try turning it off temporarily.

Dear Rosie & all,

Bezeq's site is located at:
http://www.bezeq.co.il/cultures/he-il/bezeq/

The online directory is at:
http://www.144.bezek.com/

It works for me !

Shana Tova,

Rony Golan
Ramat Hasharon, Israel

Researching:
KRAMARUTSKI, KARIVOROUCHKY - Lithuania
EISDORFER - Hungary
SLOMOVITS - Sighet, Rozavlea, Stramtura, Akna Szlatina
FRIEDMAN, GOLDSTEIN - North-East Hungary
NEIMAN/NAJMAN - Bedevla, Ukraine


"Rose Feldman" < rosef@... > :wrote:

There is a new Bezeq (telephone company) site but it does not include the
online directory. Lets hope they return it.
Rose Feldman

MODERATOR NOTE: Security software may affect your ability to get the
directory page. If you have that, try turning it off temporarily.

Randy Schoenberg wrote: "I just found in the IKG
database the grave of my ggg-grandmother Sophie
HOFFMANN geb. BIEDERMANN (1822-1893) - misspelled
Sofie HOFMANN in the database and the phonetic search
didn't work! - at Row L2 Grave 423."

The moderator did say "please reply privately" however
as this case history is very important, I am replying
to the list. I have the Baden Friedhof book [Die Juden
von Baden und Ihr Friedhof; Verlag Grasl, Baden by H.
Meissner & K Fleischmann] and have checked the data.
There is confusion re grave numbering, as there are
old and new numbering systems.

In the book, Sofie is correctly designated as Sofie
HOFFMANN but she is buried in Grave 723 [new
numbering] not 423 and the old numbering was Grave H
607.

This shows that databases are not infallible - someone
has to type in the data [cf nos 423 and 723 - lack of
concentration of the transcriber for one second can
lead to this type of error]!

As expected >from the numbering, Sofie's grave lies in
a cluster of numbers 720-727 and the graves behind
Sofie's grave are 766-773. I have the names of all the
people in these graves. It is a good idea to go armed
with all the names of the people in these graves - so
at least one knows when one is getting close.

720-727: RECHTNITZ Nathan; IGEL Bernhard*; STEINITZ
Berthold; HOFFMANN Sofie; PHILIPP Therese; DEUTSCH
Alexander**; FANTA Alexander; WINKLER Julius

766-773: BLUMBERGER Betty {nee MAUTHNER}; GOLDMANN
Leon [>from Warsaw]; EHRLICH Rosalie {nee EGER} &
Moses; KATZ Paula; DULDNER Isidor; MAYER Irene;
BREURER Josef; NEUFELD Leopold & Elisabeth.

The graves at the end of the row also act as valuable
orientation markers. They are:

694/695 REICH Sidonie/Wilhelm and 794 LEITNER Leopold
& Ernestine at the South end. At the North end we find
746 HERZOG Therese. As expected, these end graves are
those of fairly important people. Sidonie was the wife
of the Chief Rabbi, Wilhelm, and the graves are all
inscribed in Hebrew lettering. Leopold LEITNER was a
member of the Kultusgemeinde of Baden and also a
tobacco wholesaler in the town.

As for the HOFMANN/HOFFMANN in the IKG database, here
they are as they appear:

Hofmann Charlotte 22.06.1937 Baden L1
Hofmann Salomon 14.12.1891 Baden R3 376
Hofmann Sofie 09.08.1893 Baden L2 423

However in the book, Sofie is written HOFFMANN and
Charlotte is indeed HOFMANN and the grave is 407 and
Salomon is not listed at all. Utter confusion.

When we get to HOFFMANN on the IKG database we have:

Hoffmann Ignatz 26.07.1886 Baden R3 247 Hoffmann
Mathilde 10.08.1903 Baden L3 697

And here Ignaz HOFFMANN does not appear in the book
but Mathilde is there {nee KNOPFELMACHER} >from Vienna
died 8 August 1903. There is also confusion about her
grave numbering.

So here is a salutary lesson for us all. When going to
look for a grave, always take the names of the
occupants of neigbouring graves and marker graves at
the end of rows; look for alternative spellings in
data bases. Never trust one source of data; if
possible if other sources are available cross check
them.

I have yet to discover why the names of two HOFMANN/
HOFFMANN are not listed in the book. Perhaps the
graves are no longer there but the names are
registered in the IKG books. There are other names
listed as occupants for the corresponding graves.

Baden had an old-established Jewish community but was
also an important spa town and many wealthy people had
villas there. The cemetery, therefore contains a
mixture of the "indigenous" and the "immigrant" Jewish
population. Some of these may have been visitors from
other countries, taking the cure. There may indeed be
relatives of Leon GOLDMANN >from Warsaw who have been
looking for his grave for years in the wrong place!

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

* Dr. Bernhard IGEL 18 March 1838 - 1 July 1898 Famous
mathematician. Dozent at Technischen Hochschule,
Vienna 1874-1892

** Alexander DEUTSCH >from Vienna, later a member of
the Kultusgemeinde, Eisenstadt.

Randy Schoenberg wrote: "I just found in the IKG
database the grave of my ggg-grandmother Sophie
HOFFMANN geb. BIEDERMANN (1822-1893) - misspelled
Sofie HOFMANN in the database and the phonetic search
didn't work! - at Row L2 Grave 423."

The moderator did say "please reply privately" however
as this case history is very important, I am replying
to the list. I have the Baden Friedhof book [Die Juden
von Baden und Ihr Friedhof; Verlag Grasl, Baden by H.
Meissner & K Fleischmann] and have checked the data.
There is confusion re grave numbering, as there are
old and new numbering systems.

In the book, Sofie is correctly designated as Sofie
HOFFMANN but she is buried in Grave 723 [new
numbering] not 423 and the old numbering was Grave H
607.

This shows that databases are not infallible - someone
has to type in the data [cf nos 423 and 723 - lack of
concentration of the transcriber for one second can
lead to this type of error]!

As expected >from the numbering, Sofie's grave lies in
a cluster of numbers 720-727 and the graves behind
Sofie's grave are 766-773. I have the names of all the
people in these graves. It is a good idea to go armed
with all the names of the people in these graves - so
at least one knows when one is getting close.

720-727: RECHTNITZ Nathan; IGEL Bernhard*; STEINITZ
Berthold; HOFFMANN Sofie; PHILIPP Therese; DEUTSCH
Alexander**; FANTA Alexander; WINKLER Julius

766-773: BLUMBERGER Betty {nee MAUTHNER}; GOLDMANN
Leon [>from Warsaw]; EHRLICH Rosalie {nee EGER} &
Moses; KATZ Paula; DULDNER Isidor; MAYER Irene;
BREURER Josef; NEUFELD Leopold & Elisabeth.

The graves at the end of the row also act as valuable
orientation markers. They are:

694/695 REICH Sidonie/Wilhelm and 794 LEITNER Leopold
& Ernestine at the South end. At the North end we find
746 HERZOG Therese. As expected, these end graves are
those of fairly important people. Sidonie was the wife
of the Chief Rabbi, Wilhelm, and the graves are all
inscribed in Hebrew lettering. Leopold LEITNER was a
member of the Kultusgemeinde of Baden and also a
tobacco wholesaler in the town.

As for the HOFMANN/HOFFMANN in the IKG database, here
they are as they appear:

Hofmann Charlotte 22.06.1937 Baden L1
Hofmann Salomon 14.12.1891 Baden R3 376
Hofmann Sofie 09.08.1893 Baden L2 423

However in the book, Sofie is written HOFFMANN and
Charlotte is indeed HOFMANN and the grave is 407 and
Salomon is not listed at all. Utter confusion.

When we get to HOFFMANN on the IKG database we have:

Hoffmann Ignatz 26.07.1886 Baden R3 247 Hoffmann
Mathilde 10.08.1903 Baden L3 697

And here Ignaz HOFFMANN does not appear in the book
but Mathilde is there {nee KNOPFELMACHER} >from Vienna
died 8 August 1903. There is also confusion about her
grave numbering.

So here is a salutary lesson for us all. When going to
look for a grave, always take the names of the
occupants of neigbouring graves and marker graves at
the end of rows; look for alternative spellings in
data bases. Never trust one source of data; if
possible if other sources are available cross check
them.

I have yet to discover why the names of two HOFMANN/
HOFFMANN are not listed in the book. Perhaps the
graves are no longer there but the names are
registered in the IKG books. There are other names
listed as occupants for the corresponding graves.

Baden had an old-established Jewish community but was
also an important spa town and many wealthy people had
villas there. The cemetery, therefore contains a
mixture of the "indigenous" and the "immigrant" Jewish
population. Some of these may have been visitors from
other countries, taking the cure. There may indeed be
relatives of Leon GOLDMANN >from Warsaw who have been
looking for his grave for years in the wrong place!

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnotes:

* Dr. Bernhard IGEL 18 March 1838 - 1 July 1898 Famous
mathematician. Dozent at Technischen Hochschule,
Vienna 1874-1892

** Alexander DEUTSCH >from Vienna, later a member of
the Kultusgemeinde, Eisenstadt.

Does anyone have a copy of Vagabond Stars : a world history of Yiddish
theatre by Nahma Sandrow? If so, would you contact me privately at ylca87@...


Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ

Does anyone have a copy of Vagabond Stars : a world history of Yiddish
theatre by Nahma Sandrow? If so, would you contact me privately at ylca87@...


Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER, ,
HERSZLIKOWICZ, HAMBURGER (Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn,
Galacia) BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN
(Veliuona,Kaunas), CAHN (Koln), FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ

Jewishgen is still suffering >from Rita. It is down again.

Be patient.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

Jewishgen is still suffering >from Rita. It is down again.

Be patient.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

We at the Israel Genealogical Society [IGS] are fairly bursting our
buttons with pride in the one day seminar [Yom Iyun] that we have
arranged for the 28th of November 2005 at Beit Hatefutzot [the
Diaspora Museum] on the Tel Aviv University campus. If you could have
one genealogical wish, wouldn't it be that you could find that
illusive document that would allow you to prove once and for all that
a tie that binds was true? We at the IGS have been feverishly working
for over a year to arrange just such a seminar that would allow you
to find the missing key.

Without fear of contradiction, I can categorically state that every
Jewish family in the world has family - known or unknown - in
Israel. Our seminar, "Family Roots in the Land of Israel and in the
World," will demonstrate what I mean. We have invited archivists >from
the smaller, but sometimes more interesting archives, to address us
with talks on their holdings. When we invited proposals, even we
didn't know details of all the treasures these archives hold, but
after reading the abstracts and talking with the archivists, it is
hard not to jump up and down with enthusiasm!

Go to our website's direct seminar access:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

There you can get .pdf files in Hebrew and/or in English of the
program, the abstracts and the biographies of the speakers. See for
yourself what an incredible program we have arranged for you! >from
our opening keynote speaker on Eastern European Aliyah >from the late
1800's to 1920, to a detailed description of the microfilm collection
of the Diaspora Museum, at the close of the day, you will be
enthralled for the entire time.

One caveat: regretfully, places are limited due to the number of
seats available and we can only accept reservations on a first come
first serve basis. Early registration ends on 10 November, if there
are still places available. Registration includes coffee and cake and
a chance for a greatly discounted hot lunch, but here too, places are
limited. Please register early so you will not be disappointed. When
the places are gone, they are gone and that's it.

The registration form can be downloaded at

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/YY-reg-HE-2005.pdf

You are going to love this day and we are looking forward to seeing
you there!

Rose Feldman
for the Organizing Committee
Israel Genealogical Society

We at the Israel Genealogical Society [IGS] are fairly bursting our
buttons with pride in the one day seminar [Yom Iyun] that we have
arranged for the 28th of November 2005 at Beit Hatefutzot [the
Diaspora Museum] on the Tel Aviv University campus. If you could have
one genealogical wish, wouldn't it be that you could find that
illusive document that would allow you to prove once and for all that
a tie that binds was true? We at the IGS have been feverishly working
for over a year to arrange just such a seminar that would allow you
to find the missing key.

Without fear of contradiction, I can categorically state that every
Jewish family in the world has family - known or unknown - in
Israel. Our seminar, "Family Roots in the Land of Israel and in the
World," will demonstrate what I mean. We have invited archivists >from
the smaller, but sometimes more interesting archives, to address us
with talks on their holdings. When we invited proposals, even we
didn't know details of all the treasures these archives hold, but
after reading the abstracts and talking with the archivists, it is
hard not to jump up and down with enthusiasm!

Go to our website's direct seminar access:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

There you can get .pdf files in Hebrew and/or in English of the
program, the abstracts and the biographies of the speakers. See for
yourself what an incredible program we have arranged for you! >from
our opening keynote speaker on Eastern European Aliyah >from the late
1800's to 1920, to a detailed description of the microfilm collection
of the Diaspora Museum, at the close of the day, you will be
enthralled for the entire time.

One caveat: regretfully, places are limited due to the number of
seats available and we can only accept reservations on a first come
first serve basis. Early registration ends on 10 November, if there
are still places available. Registration includes coffee and cake and
a chance for a greatly discounted hot lunch, but here too, places are
limited. Please register early so you will not be disappointed. When
the places are gone, they are gone and that's it.

The registration form can be downloaded at

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/YY-reg-HE-2005.pdf

You are going to love this day and we are looking forward to seeing
you there!

Rose Feldman
for the Organizing Committee
Israel Genealogical Society