An database index of New York City grooms and New York City deaths has been
prepared by the Italian Genealogical Group. It is soundex-searchable at the
website below.

http://www.italiangen.org/default.htm

The years available are as follows for:

1891-1894 Manhattan deaths
1895-1897 Manhattan and Brooklyn deaths
1898-1936 Deaths all Boroughs

1895-1897 Kings County Grooms and Brides
1895-1897 Manhattan Grooms
1908-1936 NYC Grooms

Joe Hirschfield
Portage, MI
MINIEWITSKI, TOBIASZ-Belarus
HIRSCHFELD, LINDBAUM, BUCHSBAUM- Skwarzawa, Glinyany, Sielec Bienkow Galicia

Can someone tell me what their experience has been in getting death certificates

from Toronto, Canada >from either 1963 or 1971. Are these records open, available?

In the United States these records would still be considered confidential and only
available to direct family members.

If I got a Canadian death certificate of this era would it have the maiden name of
a woman and the parent's name -- or at least a place for that information to be
filled in? >from the USA I know the information on the actual certificate is
subject to the person who was the informant.

I tried the on line editions of the Toronto newspaper and did not find obits.
Someone >from the list very kindly went out to the cemetery for me and there were
no stones. So the only thing I can think of is the death certificates -- unless
someone has another suggestion that works in Canada.

Many thanks.

Allan Jordan

Rachel GOODMAN GUROVITCH was my aunt. Her naturalization papers say that she was
born in Visocki Dvor. The family states that they were >from Vilna. The other
names are ODENS, ODENHS, ODINETZ. I'm having difficulty narrowing down where
they might actually be from. The closest match that I get on JewishGen is Novy
Dvor in Belarus which seems incorrect to me. However, admittedly I'm unschooled
in this. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks.

Marcia G. Hoffman
Baltimore, MD

Rachel GOODMAN GUROVITCH was my aunt. Her naturalization papers say that she was
born in Visocki Dvor. The family states that they were >from Vilna. The other
names are ODENS, ODENHS, ODINETZ. I'm having difficulty narrowing down where
they might actually be from. The closest match that I get on JewishGen is Novy
Dvor in Belarus which seems incorrect to me. However, admittedly I'm unschooled
in this. Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks.

Marcia G. Hoffman
Baltimore, MD

An database index of New York City grooms and New York City deaths has been
prepared by the Italian Genealogical Group. It is soundex-searchable at the
website below.

http://www.italiangen.org/default.htm

The years available are as follows for:

1891-1894 Manhattan deaths
1895-1897 Manhattan and Brooklyn deaths
1898-1936 Deaths all Boroughs

1895-1897 Kings County Grooms and Brides
1895-1897 Manhattan Grooms
1908-1936 NYC Grooms

Joe Hirschfield
Portage, MI
MINIEWITSKI, TOBIASZ-Belarus
HIRSCHFELD, LINDBAUM, BUCHSBAUM- Skwarzawa, Glinyany, Sielec Bienkow Galicia

Can someone tell me what their experience has been in getting death certificates

from Toronto, Canada >from either 1963 or 1971. Are these records open, available?

In the United States these records would still be considered confidential and only
available to direct family members.

If I got a Canadian death certificate of this era would it have the maiden name of
a woman and the parent's name -- or at least a place for that information to be
filled in? >from the USA I know the information on the actual certificate is
subject to the person who was the informant.

I tried the on line editions of the Toronto newspaper and did not find obits.
Someone >from the list very kindly went out to the cemetery for me and there were
no stones. So the only thing I can think of is the death certificates -- unless
someone has another suggestion that works in Canada.

Many thanks.

Allan Jordan

hI all,

Are there any genners who have tried tracing their ancestors back to Spain and
Portugal?

I would like to try and get some early family info and would like some help.

I have found my family name as one that was expelled >from portugal, but need help
tracing where they went >from there.

The earliest on my family tree is 1711, so I know they were in England then.

Any help and advice welcomed

Best regards
Keith Martin
Leeds UK
Researching Staal, Vaz Martines, Hambro amongst others
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Dear all!
I have to find out whether GINZBURGS >from Rogachev, Belarus were Leviim. I have a
wide family tree. If somebody knows about this issue, we can check the tree
together.
Thanks,
Zeev Ginzburg
Beth El
Israel
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hI all,

Are there any genners who have tried tracing their ancestors back to Spain and
Portugal?

I would like to try and get some early family info and would like some help.

I have found my family name as one that was expelled >from portugal, but need help
tracing where they went >from there.

The earliest on my family tree is 1711, so I know they were in England then.

Any help and advice welcomed

Best regards
Keith Martin
Leeds UK
Researching Staal, Vaz Martines, Hambro amongst others
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Dear all!
I have to find out whether GINZBURGS >from Rogachev, Belarus were Leviim. I have a
wide family tree. If somebody knows about this issue, we can check the tree
together.
Thanks,
Zeev Ginzburg
Beth El
Israel
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Dear Genners,
I just spent an hour or more searching for the name RONSHEIM in Ohio in the
1800s. I knew they were there but to no avail. I had in my notes that they lived
in Ripley Twp, Brown county. So I did a search on Ancestry.com for that township
and county, over 200 names came up including the name ROUSHEIM !!!!
Bingo!!!!
So always try different spellings when searching, even on clear pages some people
can't read what's written on them.


Joan Glanz RIMMON, Los Angeles

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the world.

Seeking: Germany: NUSBAUM/NUSSBAUM (Erdemannrode), LANGSDORF (Battenberg),
WEINBERG (Storndorf), STERN (Nieder Ohmen), ROSENSTOCK (Tann bei Fulda),
LEVISTEIN (Geisa), KATZ (Altenkirchen), FRANK (unknown city of origin, but
emigrated to US beofre 1860). Poltava: KNOPPOW, KNOPOV, BUDNITZKY Latvia:
GLANZSET/GLANSET, KLUMENS Belarus: DUKSIN, STARISHEVSKY, KRAZNITZKY, STAWSKI
(Zhabinka), SOLNITZE/SOLNICA/SOLNICE , GRYNSZPAN, KAPLANSKY (Kamenetz Litovsk)

Yad VaShem's search site for Pages of Testimony has a form for reporting errors,
which until now I have been ignoring. A week or so ago, I reported a series of
errors - mostly transcription errors such as a submitter whose name was
transcribed several different ways, thus blunting the effect of the "other pages
by this same submitter" function.

I am pleased to report that they notified me within just a few days that each of
the reported errors would be corrected. (They only upload corrections every three
months, so it won't show up right away.)

I am reporting this in order to encourage people to a) report errors and b)
revisit your searches >from time to time.

Israel Pickholtz

Yad VaShem's search site for Pages of Testimony has a form for reporting errors,
which until now I have been ignoring. A week or so ago, I reported a series of
errors - mostly transcription errors such as a submitter whose name was
transcribed several different ways, thus blunting the effect of the "other pages
by this same submitter" function.

I am pleased to report that they notified me within just a few days that each of
the reported errors would be corrected. (They only upload corrections every three
months, so it won't show up right away.)

I am reporting this in order to encourage people to a) report errors and b)
revisit your searches >from time to time.

Israel Pickholtz

Dear Genners,
I just spent an hour or more searching for the name RONSHEIM in Ohio in the
1800s. I knew they were there but to no avail. I had in my notes that they lived
in Ripley Twp, Brown county. So I did a search on Ancestry.com for that township
and county, over 200 names came up including the name ROUSHEIM !!!!
Bingo!!!!
So always try different spellings when searching, even on clear pages some people
can't read what's written on them.


Joan Glanz RIMMON, Los Angeles

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the world.

Seeking: Germany: NUSBAUM/NUSSBAUM (Erdemannrode), LANGSDORF (Battenberg),
WEINBERG (Storndorf), STERN (Nieder Ohmen), ROSENSTOCK (Tann bei Fulda),
LEVISTEIN (Geisa), KATZ (Altenkirchen), FRANK (unknown city of origin, but
emigrated to US beofre 1860). Poltava: KNOPPOW, KNOPOV, BUDNITZKY Latvia:
GLANZSET/GLANSET, KLUMENS Belarus: DUKSIN, STARISHEVSKY, KRAZNITZKY, STAWSKI
(Zhabinka), SOLNITZE/SOLNICA/SOLNICE , GRYNSZPAN, KAPLANSKY (Kamenetz Litovsk)

Judith Berlowitz wrote:

Dear Uk-Genners,
Two branches of my BER(E)LOWITZ family came to America

from Ukraine in 1906 and 1907, respectively. One

branch (Yankel B., 1906) listed "Orechowka" as town of
residence, while the other branch (David B.,
1907)listed "Orechow, Tawrizesk." Family tales place
Orechow (Orekhov) near Ekaterinoslav, while Google
searches show an Orechowka (Orekhovka) in Belarus and
another near Lugansk. Questions are:
1. Are these two interchangeable names for one town?
2. Are they two towns, one smaller (-ka) than the
other, perhaps across the Dnieper river >from each
other (another family tale)?
3. Where is Tawrizesk?
This website
http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ukraine/locations/o/16.html
may help or confuse...
Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California

A few remarks that will, I hope, help you find the places:

1. Ekaterinoslav is now Dnipropetrovsk (Rus. Dnepropetrovsk).

2. "Tawrizesk." is probably not a town name, but an abbreviation for
"Tavritcheskaya gubernia" aka Crimea or Taurida Gubernia. "Tavrida"
is/was another Russian name for Crimea, >from the Greek name of the
peninsula. Ekaterinoslav was the capital city of the adjacent gubernia
(Ekaterinoslav gub.), so we are talking about the same region. (The "z"
in "Tawrizesk." is probably a mistranscription of the Russian character
for "tch", which can indeed be confused with the Latin character "z".)

3. Russian names such as Orekhov or Orekhovka became Orikhiv, Orikhivka
in Ukrainian. It may help to search for the current Ukrainian names.

4. I don't think the two names denote the same locality. Orekhovka
implies to me a village, while Orekhov, a town (although there are no
100% reliable rules when it comes to proper names). Incidentally, there
are bound to be many places with names derived >from the word
"orekh"/"orikh", which means "nut" -- usually hazelnut in this part of
the world --, because hazelnut is very common there. So it may be indeed
difficult to find the right place.

-Margaret Mikulska
silvagen@...
Warsaw, Poland / Princeton, NJ, USA

Grandparents, who were religious, had a religious marriage in the shetl before
1913. 8 months after first child was born, they got (able to get?) a civil
marriage. Why would they care? 1914. Could it have something to do with WWI and
trying to avoid service. They did not emmigrate to the States till 1920, so I
doubt reason was that. Suggestions anyone?
Robert A. Dodell
RADodell@...

"Sally Bruckheimer" <sallybruc@...> wrote

When I switched >from DOS to Windows and Word Perfect to Word, I 'lost' the
e-version of the index I made to a Jewish cemetery. This is much different than
backing up files, it is a matter of converting >from one progam in one operating
system and new both. Unless the programmers give you a 'conversion', you may end
up having to make paper copies and scanning them in to OCR... with today's
technology anyway. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.

I think the point of the 'Universal Program' is that they intend to make it
compatible with whatever comes up.

See http://www.lub.lu.se/epubl_2005_Lund/day.ppt#324,1,Long term preservation: an
overview (that is the whole name of the webpage)

Paper by Michael Day of the University of Bath, UK at the Joint Workshop on
Electronic Publishing, Lund, Sweden 15.4.05.

This was the full programme http://www.lub.lu.se/epubl_2005_Lund/.

http://www.interpares.org/book/interpares_book_g_part4us.pdf is the US
contribution to the InterPARES Project - The Long-term Preservation of Authentic
Electronic Records http://www.interpares.org/book/index.cfm.

This is the website of the New York State Archives
http://www.archives.nysed.gov/aindex.shtml which is very interesting. There are a
lot of FAQ's and certainly the employees there would be able to answer questions
that individuals have, assuming that they have the time.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
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A few day ago Sabrina Rabinovich asked about Druya and Smorgany records. In the
Lithuanian State Historical archives there is a collection of Druya revision lists
of 1834, 1850-54 and also there are lists of Jewish men only dated 1874-75. The
revision list of 1816 does not have any Jewish family, additional Revision list of
1819 has a few Jewish families, the lists of 1827, 28 has quite a lot of names,
and the records of 18th century (in Polish) have no family names at all. Revision
list of 1850 was translated and published on Litvak web-side. There are Smorgany
revision lists of 1834, 1850 and additional lists of 1865 and 1894.

I have been working in this archives a few months ago and sent Miriam Weiner a
list of detailed file numbers in order to correct her web-side. I have also sent
the same information to JewishGen, unfortunately it was never published. If you
need more information, please, contact me privately.

Irene Kudish
Tel-Aviv
impromptus2002@...
iresearcher@...
Researching Libkind/Lipkind - Belarus,Lithuania,
Glikin - Belarus

Judith Berlowitz wrote:

Dear Uk-Genners,
Two branches of my BER(E)LOWITZ family came to America

from Ukraine in 1906 and 1907, respectively. One

branch (Yankel B., 1906) listed "Orechowka" as town of
residence, while the other branch (David B.,
1907)listed "Orechow, Tawrizesk." Family tales place
Orechow (Orekhov) near Ekaterinoslav, while Google
searches show an Orechowka (Orekhovka) in Belarus and
another near Lugansk. Questions are:
1. Are these two interchangeable names for one town?
2. Are they two towns, one smaller (-ka) than the
other, perhaps across the Dnieper river >from each
other (another family tale)?
3. Where is Tawrizesk?
This website
http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/ukraine/locations/o/16.html
may help or confuse...
Judith Berlowitz
Berkeley, California

A few remarks that will, I hope, help you find the places:

1. Ekaterinoslav is now Dnipropetrovsk (Rus. Dnepropetrovsk).

2. "Tawrizesk." is probably not a town name, but an abbreviation for
"Tavritcheskaya gubernia" aka Crimea or Taurida Gubernia. "Tavrida"
is/was another Russian name for Crimea, >from the Greek name of the
peninsula. Ekaterinoslav was the capital city of the adjacent gubernia
(Ekaterinoslav gub.), so we are talking about the same region. (The "z"
in "Tawrizesk." is probably a mistranscription of the Russian character
for "tch", which can indeed be confused with the Latin character "z".)

3. Russian names such as Orekhov or Orekhovka became Orikhiv, Orikhivka
in Ukrainian. It may help to search for the current Ukrainian names.

4. I don't think the two names denote the same locality. Orekhovka
implies to me a village, while Orekhov, a town (although there are no
100% reliable rules when it comes to proper names). Incidentally, there
are bound to be many places with names derived >from the word
"orekh"/"orikh", which means "nut" -- usually hazelnut in this part of
the world --, because hazelnut is very common there. So it may be indeed
difficult to find the right place.

-Margaret Mikulska
silvagen@...
Warsaw, Poland / Princeton, NJ, USA

Grandparents, who were religious, had a religious marriage in the shetl before
1913. 8 months after first child was born, they got (able to get?) a civil
marriage. Why would they care? 1914. Could it have something to do with WWI and
trying to avoid service. They did not emmigrate to the States till 1920, so I
doubt reason was that. Suggestions anyone?
Robert A. Dodell
RADodell@...