Unlike in previous conferences, it will not be possible to register
for breakfasts, lunches, or the banquet while at the conference.
(See note below.)

I do not believe that the deadline for registering prior to the
conference has been released yet, so please register for events
of interest ASAP.

Thanks,
Barry Shay


Subject: purchasing events
From: "Shelly Weiner" <shellyjag619@...>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:06:31 GMT
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear all,
Just a reminder that purchasing breakfasts, lunches &/or
the banquet must be done prior to arriving.

There will be *no* on-site purchasing of these events, due
to the hotel "head-count" deadline for each event.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 web g-ddess / LV2005 Resource Room Coordinator
Conference website:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/LV2005/home.htm >

Unlike in previous conferences, it will not be possible to register
for breakfasts, lunches, or the banquet while at the conference.
(See note below.)

I do not believe that the deadline for registering prior to the
conference has been released yet, so please register for events
of interest ASAP.

Thanks,
Barry Shay


Subject: purchasing events
From: "Shelly Weiner" <shellyjag619@...>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:06:31 GMT
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear all,
Just a reminder that purchasing breakfasts, lunches &/or
the banquet must be done prior to arriving.

There will be *no* on-site purchasing of these events, due
to the hotel "head-count" deadline for each event.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 web g-ddess / LV2005 Resource Room Coordinator
Conference website:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/LV2005/home.htm >

In a message dated 5/22/2005 wsz@... writes:

Amos Elon's book: "The Pity of it All, A Portrait of the Germas-Jewish Epoch
1743 -1933", Henry Holt & Co. should be required reading if you are interested
not only that, but how, your ancestors existed - "lived" is too flattering a
description. It should be on everybody's reading list.

==I heartily agree with Werner Zimmt. It is a compendious, thorough and
highly readable work that should be read by all Jews, not just genners with
German ancestry.

==I do not entirely agree with Werner that our "ancestors existed - ' lived '
is too flattering a description." They lived large and often fulfilling
frequently even notably successful lives by the standards of the time--despite
the racist and antisemitic rules.

==Elon starts with Moses Mendelsohn, who certainly lived, not just existed.
His descendants chose Christianity as a way of furthering their cultural
ambitions in that world--as did thousands of others, but many Jews rose to equal
heights without compromising their religion. [For example] Meyerbeer doubled his
surname by adding to it his grandfather's, and he changed Jacob to Giacomo because
all popular musicians at the time thought Italian was the way to go, but he did
not give up his Judaism. He caried a small siddur with him on all his travels
and daily recited his prayers.

==Despite discrimination, most Jews in Germany at that time lived lives that
were freer and more satisfying than that of the majority of non-Jewish
peasants, peons and laborers.

==A similar proportionality of life for Jews and for non-Jews existed
throughout most of Europe in those years

Michael Bernet, New York http://www.mem-ber.net/

In a message dated 5/22/2005 wsz@... writes:

Amos Elon's book: "The Pity of it All, A Portrait of the Germas-Jewish Epoch
1743 -1933", Henry Holt & Co. should be required reading if you are interested
not only that, but how, your ancestors existed - "lived" is too flattering a
description. It should be on everybody's reading list.

==I heartily agree with Werner Zimmt. It is a compendious, thorough and
highly readable work that should be read by all Jews, not just genners with
German ancestry.

==I do not entirely agree with Werner that our "ancestors existed - ' lived '
is too flattering a description." They lived large and often fulfilling
frequently even notably successful lives by the standards of the time--despite
the racist and antisemitic rules.

==Elon starts with Moses Mendelsohn, who certainly lived, not just existed.
His descendants chose Christianity as a way of furthering their cultural
ambitions in that world--as did thousands of others, but many Jews rose to equal
heights without compromising their religion. [For example] Meyerbeer doubled his
surname by adding to it his grandfather's, and he changed Jacob to Giacomo because
all popular musicians at the time thought Italian was the way to go, but he did
not give up his Judaism. He caried a small siddur with him on all his travels
and daily recited his prayers.

==Despite discrimination, most Jews in Germany at that time lived lives that
were freer and more satisfying than that of the majority of non-Jewish
peasants, peons and laborers.

==A similar proportionality of life for Jews and for non-Jews existed
throughout most of Europe in those years

Michael Bernet, New York http://www.mem-ber.net/

MODERATOR NOTE - GerSIG members have told us that they want to learn about
more than just the dates and places in the lives of their German Jewish ancestors.
When the subject comes up in this Forum members show a great interest in learning
about the details of their ancestors' lives. Books like "The Pity of it All"
give readers a window into those lives.

For other reading suggestions visit the GerSIG website and search our Archives.

Dear Genners,
It is unusual to give a book report in this forum ,but Werner Zimmt wrote
about the book of Amos Elon "The Pity of all" and recommended to us. Please
allow me to give my opinion about this book. I read this book in the last
week and find it a good book for people that don't know German- Jewish
history. It is well written and I read the book in 2 days (I'm not a native
English speaker). I miss a lot in this book. Elon writes only over the high
society, the famous family, famous writers ,bankers and Intellectuals. Nothing
about the Jews in the small villages,nothing about the Jewish proletariat in the
big city ,nothing about the youth movement in the begin of the 20 century (only
one word), nothing about the life of the poor people in Berlin (in the
"Scheuneviertel") and more...

I don't say that the book is bad and I know that Amos Elon is a brilliant
writer, but I miss a lot in his book about the simple Jews in Germany. by
the way in Hebrew the book have another name " A German Requiem". Best regards

Ury Link Amsterdam Holland <uryl@...>

MODERATOR NOTE - GerSIG members have told us that they want to learn about
more than just the dates and places in the lives of their German Jewish ancestors.
When the subject comes up in this Forum members show a great interest in learning
about the details of their ancestors' lives. Books like "The Pity of it All"
give readers a window into those lives.

For other reading suggestions visit the GerSIG website and search our Archives.

Dear Genners,
It is unusual to give a book report in this forum ,but Werner Zimmt wrote
about the book of Amos Elon "The Pity of all" and recommended to us. Please
allow me to give my opinion about this book. I read this book in the last
week and find it a good book for people that don't know German- Jewish
history. It is well written and I read the book in 2 days (I'm not a native
English speaker). I miss a lot in this book. Elon writes only over the high
society, the famous family, famous writers ,bankers and Intellectuals. Nothing
about the Jews in the small villages,nothing about the Jewish proletariat in the
big city ,nothing about the youth movement in the begin of the 20 century (only
one word), nothing about the life of the poor people in Berlin (in the
"Scheuneviertel") and more...

I don't say that the book is bad and I know that Amos Elon is a brilliant
writer, but I miss a lot in his book about the simple Jews in Germany. by
the way in Hebrew the book have another name " A German Requiem". Best regards

Ury Link Amsterdam Holland <uryl@...>

For the many people who have asked for this information, the Hamburg
roots website is as follows:

http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de/index/1, 2709,
JGdlbz0zJG9rPTE5MTA1JHVrPSQ_, 00.html

Hope this helps - remember - keep it simple, and you'll succeed! cordially,

Susan Bergman Meehan <smeehan@...>

Hello,
My name is Nancy Krisch and I am new to GerSig.

I am a first generation American born to German Jewish parents (mother
>from Berlin/Charlottenburg, father >from Posen). Having an incredibly
difficult time trying to access any information about my paternal
lineage (KRISCH) and maternal (REDLICH). Have a fairly extensive
family tree which was given to me - the Schreiber Family (von Gratz
beginning in the 1700's - descending >from Rabbi Benjamin Schreinber)-
which is my paternal grandmother's family. Any suggestions would
certainly be welcomed.

Names of my parents and grandaparents are as follows:

Father: Gerhard Julian KRISCH born Jan. 26, 1913 in
Hohensalza/Inowraclaw Posen, immigrated to NY in 1938 >from Berlin. d.
Aug. 10, 1988 Larchmont, NY

Mother: Margot REDLICH (married name KRISCH) born Feb. 27, 1925 in
Charlottenburg/Berlin, immigrated in 1947 -spent war years hiding in
Judische Krankenhuase Berlin - Iranische Strasse, d. June 30, 1998,
Larchmont, NY

Paternal Grandmother: Regina KRISCH (nee SCHREIBER) d. Theresienstadt, 1943
Paternal Grandfather: Hermann KRISCH, d. Theresienstadt, 1944
Paternal Aunt: Margot MOSES (nee KRISCH), d. Auschwitz
Paternal Uncle (by marriage): Otto MOSES, d. Auschwitz

Maternal Grandmother: Grete REDLICH (nee SEEK) d. 1971 in Larchmont, NY, USA
Maternal Grandfather: Konrad REDLICH - he died of natural causes in 1933
Maternal Uncle: Gerhard REDLICH, d. Plotzensee Prison 1943

I am an only child with 2 children of my own who are my only blood
relatives (that I know of). I am a native English speaker and
currently live in West Hartford, Connecticut, USA. I am hoping to just
piece together a bit of my KRISCH Family history. I consider myself fairly
computer literate, though I am not very "genealogy savvy."

Looking forward to participating in this Special Interest Group. Regards,

Nancy Regina Krisch nrkg89@... West Hartford, Connecticut, USA

Hello,
My name is Nancy Krisch and I am new to GerSig.

I am a first generation American born to German Jewish parents (mother
>from Berlin/Charlottenburg, father >from Posen). Having an incredibly
difficult time trying to access any information about my paternal
lineage (KRISCH) and maternal (REDLICH). Have a fairly extensive
family tree which was given to me - the Schreiber Family (von Gratz
beginning in the 1700's - descending >from Rabbi Benjamin Schreinber)-
which is my paternal grandmother's family. Any suggestions would
certainly be welcomed.

Names of my parents and grandaparents are as follows:

Father: Gerhard Julian KRISCH born Jan. 26, 1913 in
Hohensalza/Inowraclaw Posen, immigrated to NY in 1938 >from Berlin. d.
Aug. 10, 1988 Larchmont, NY

Mother: Margot REDLICH (married name KRISCH) born Feb. 27, 1925 in
Charlottenburg/Berlin, immigrated in 1947 -spent war years hiding in
Judische Krankenhuase Berlin - Iranische Strasse, d. June 30, 1998,
Larchmont, NY

Paternal Grandmother: Regina KRISCH (nee SCHREIBER) d. Theresienstadt, 1943
Paternal Grandfather: Hermann KRISCH, d. Theresienstadt, 1944
Paternal Aunt: Margot MOSES (nee KRISCH), d. Auschwitz
Paternal Uncle (by marriage): Otto MOSES, d. Auschwitz

Maternal Grandmother: Grete REDLICH (nee SEEK) d. 1971 in Larchmont, NY, USA
Maternal Grandfather: Konrad REDLICH - he died of natural causes in 1933
Maternal Uncle: Gerhard REDLICH, d. Plotzensee Prison 1943

I am an only child with 2 children of my own who are my only blood
relatives (that I know of). I am a native English speaker and
currently live in West Hartford, Connecticut, USA. I am hoping to just
piece together a bit of my KRISCH Family history. I consider myself fairly
computer literate, though I am not very "genealogy savvy."

Looking forward to participating in this Special Interest Group. Regards,

Nancy Regina Krisch nrkg89@... West Hartford, Connecticut, USA

For the many people who have asked for this information, the Hamburg
roots website is as follows:

http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de/index/1, 2709,
JGdlbz0zJG9rPTE5MTA1JHVrPSQ_, 00.html

Hope this helps - remember - keep it simple, and you'll succeed! cordially,

Susan Bergman Meehan <smeehan@...>

Dear Val and Genners,

I cannot speak for many of the Mormon Churches, but I do know that at
least here in the San Francisco Bay Area, if not the whole of the
United States, that Ancestry has "given" free subscriptions to the
Family History Centers.

I say given in quotes because, obviously I am not privy to any
contract that was agreed to, but the Director of my local FHC did
tell me that no LDS FHC that he knows of, has had to pay for a
subscription.

I realize that this is slightly off topic, but I mention it because
if the UK FHC's do not have Ancestry, then genners to frequent their
FHC may well ask to see if the Director of the facility can obtain
the service.

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, London,
Berkeley, California, USA

Dear Val and Genners,

I cannot speak for many of the Mormon Churches, but I do know that at
least here in the San Francisco Bay Area, if not the whole of the
United States, that Ancestry has "given" free subscriptions to the
Family History Centers.

I say given in quotes because, obviously I am not privy to any
contract that was agreed to, but the Director of my local FHC did
tell me that no LDS FHC that he knows of, has had to pay for a
subscription.

I realize that this is slightly off topic, but I mention it because
if the UK FHC's do not have Ancestry, then genners to frequent their
FHC may well ask to see if the Director of the facility can obtain
the service.

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-Edgware, London,
Berkeley, California, USA

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@...> wrote:

Leo GINSBERG (abt. 1845 - 1895), son of my matrilineal gt gt grandfather
Nathan GINSBERG (1814-1890) and his first wife, the widow FELDMANN (born
SINGER),was born in Breslau or Beuthen. He fought in the Franco-Prussian War

of 1870,presumably on the Prussian side. Later he married Louis HOEXTER(1850-1906)
How can I go about finding out more about Leo's military career?

---It may be useful to find out <where> Leo GINSBERG lived at the time of
conscription.

In checking the <Gedenkbuch an den deutsch-franzoesischen Krieg von 1870/71
fuer die deutschen Israeliten> (publ. by Allgemeine Zeitung des Judenthums,
Bonn, 1871) [GER 2300.15.39, Harvard College Library], I noticed that, while
many smaller towns were listed, neither Glogau or Gleiwitz list Leo
Ginsberg; Breslau, Beuthen, Berlin or Frankfurt/Main were not included in
the book, as their kehilloth did not bother to supply any names at the time.
I'd be glad to check other towns, though.

Peter Simonstein Cullman Toronto, CANADA aurifex@...

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@...> wrote:

Leo GINSBERG (abt. 1845 - 1895), son of my matrilineal gt gt grandfather
Nathan GINSBERG (1814-1890) and his first wife, the widow FELDMANN (born
SINGER),was born in Breslau or Beuthen. He fought in the Franco-Prussian War

of 1870,presumably on the Prussian side. Later he married Louis HOEXTER(1850-1906)
How can I go about finding out more about Leo's military career?

---It may be useful to find out <where> Leo GINSBERG lived at the time of
conscription.

In checking the <Gedenkbuch an den deutsch-franzoesischen Krieg von 1870/71
fuer die deutschen Israeliten> (publ. by Allgemeine Zeitung des Judenthums,
Bonn, 1871) [GER 2300.15.39, Harvard College Library], I noticed that, while
many smaller towns were listed, neither Glogau or Gleiwitz list Leo
Ginsberg; Breslau, Beuthen, Berlin or Frankfurt/Main were not included in
the book, as their kehilloth did not bother to supply any names at the time.
I'd be glad to check other towns, though.

Peter Simonstein Cullman Toronto, CANADA aurifex@...

Dear all,

On the behalf of my French cousins I'm trying to find out more about their
BELINKOV family >from Polotsk in the former Vitebsk guberniya. Mainly they
are interested to find descendants of the many branches in different parts
of the world. The family consists of the following branches:

Pinkhous BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in Novgorod,
Russia
married to
Khana Rivka GOUREWITCH, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in Novgorod,
Russia

Together they had five sons and four daughters:

*Rouvine aka Robert BELINKOFF, b. 1877 in Polotsk, d. 1960 in Paris, France
(the ancestor of my French cousins)
Married first to Oda aka Olga Herzikova NEMCHENOK (b. 1888 in Surazh,
Vitebsk guberniya, d. 1910 in Paris, France) with whom he had one daughter:
Vera (1908-94).
Married second to Ida Marie VON KÄNEL (b. 1883 in Switzerland, d. 1966 in
Paris) with whom he had three daughters: Marcelle, Paulette and Helene (all
three still alive).

*Gisya aka Disa BELINKOVA, b. 1889, probably in Polotsk.

*Anatoliy aka Tolka BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk.

*Ester? BELINKOVA, probably born in Polotsk, d. in Zürich, Switzerland or
Riga, Latvia.
Married to a man named WULFSOHN (maybe Leo Wulfsohn) with whom he had at
least one son: Viktor WULFSOHN (b. about 1910 in Zürich, later lived in
Riga, Latvia).

*Simon BELINKOFF, probably born in Polotsk, emigrated to the US where he
married and had two children.

*S. BELINKOVA, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in Paris, France.
Married to a man named OBROUTCHEFF.

*Venyamin aka Venka BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in
Paris, France.

*Vladimir BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk.

*Yevdokiya aka Dosya BELINKOVA, probably born in Polotsk.

I hope that anyone of recognizes any of the names above and might be able to
help finding the many missing descendants of these persons around the world.

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden
MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies.
adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Dear all,

On the behalf of my French cousins I'm trying to find out more about their
BELINKOV family >from Polotsk in the former Vitebsk guberniya. Mainly they
are interested to find descendants of the many branches in different parts
of the world. The family consists of the following branches:

Pinkhous BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in Novgorod,
Russia
married to
Khana Rivka GOUREWITCH, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in Novgorod,
Russia

Together they had five sons and four daughters:

*Rouvine aka Robert BELINKOFF, b. 1877 in Polotsk, d. 1960 in Paris, France
(the ancestor of my French cousins)
Married first to Oda aka Olga Herzikova NEMCHENOK (b. 1888 in Surazh,
Vitebsk guberniya, d. 1910 in Paris, France) with whom he had one daughter:
Vera (1908-94).
Married second to Ida Marie VON KÄNEL (b. 1883 in Switzerland, d. 1966 in
Paris) with whom he had three daughters: Marcelle, Paulette and Helene (all
three still alive).

*Gisya aka Disa BELINKOVA, b. 1889, probably in Polotsk.

*Anatoliy aka Tolka BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk.

*Ester? BELINKOVA, probably born in Polotsk, d. in Zürich, Switzerland or
Riga, Latvia.
Married to a man named WULFSOHN (maybe Leo Wulfsohn) with whom he had at
least one son: Viktor WULFSOHN (b. about 1910 in Zürich, later lived in
Riga, Latvia).

*Simon BELINKOFF, probably born in Polotsk, emigrated to the US where he
married and had two children.

*S. BELINKOVA, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in Paris, France.
Married to a man named OBROUTCHEFF.

*Venyamin aka Venka BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk, probably died in
Paris, France.

*Vladimir BELINKOV, probably born in Polotsk.

*Yevdokiya aka Dosya BELINKOVA, probably born in Polotsk.

I hope that anyone of recognizes any of the names above and might be able to
help finding the many missing descendants of these persons around the world.

Best regards,

Adam Katzeff,
Malmoe, Sweden
MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies.
adam.katzeff@...

Researching:
GOLDBERG: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow,
Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; PA+WI, USA.
KATSEV/KATZEFF/KATZOFF/KACEV: Papile, Lithuania; Cesis+Riga, Latvia;
Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Glasgow, Scotland; Sweden; Denmark; MA+GA+NY+CA,
USA.
NEMCHENOK/NEMCHENKO: Yanovichi+Surazh+Velizh+Vitebsk, Belarus; St.
Petersburg, Russia; Paris, France; Sweden; Denmark; NY, USA.

Many thanks to all of you for your offers to translate my short note >from
Swedish to English.

The translation has been done and I no longer need any volunteers.

Eden Joachim
Pomona, NY
esjoachim@...

Many thanks to all of you for your offers to translate my short note >from
Swedish to English.

The translation has been done and I no longer need any volunteers.

Eden Joachim
Pomona, NY
esjoachim@...

First of all, I want to thank all the JewishGen members who have made my
first attempts at tracking my genealogy a pleasant journey.

My great grandmother, Rosie (FRIENDLICH) SAMLAN apparently died in Montreal
in 1915. There is a record that she is buried in the Hungarian Hebrew section
of the Back River cemetery. She is the first relative that I've been able to
locate. I am at a loss for where to find further information about her,
including when she immigrated to Canada, and >from where.

The other puzzle is her husband Moses, whose family appears to be Romanian.
Family lore is that he died in the Spanish American War, although there is no
evidence that he ever lived in the U.S. and no record that I've found among
war casualties (and no clue really on which side he may have fought).

Any ideas about how to locate Canadian immigration records >from 1897 - 1910
would be appreciated, as would any thoughts about locating Romanian emigration
information >from the same period.

Thanks,

Arnold D. Samlan

Researching: SAMLAN, FRIENDLICH, SHENKER (MONTREAL),
KOOPERMAN/COOPERMAN/KUPERMAN (YARUN/YARIN), BRODER/BROTHER (HIRCHIRKI ?, HIRKI?), ABRAMSON
(ENGLAND), SCHOTTLAND (ROPCZYCE, GALICIA)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please remember to always place family names
in capital letters. It makes them much easier to spot for those
who receive many emails a day!

First of all, I want to thank all the JewishGen members who have made my
first attempts at tracking my genealogy a pleasant journey.

My great grandmother, Rosie (FRIENDLICH) SAMLAN apparently died in Montreal
in 1915. There is a record that she is buried in the Hungarian Hebrew section
of the Back River cemetery. She is the first relative that I've been able to
locate. I am at a loss for where to find further information about her,
including when she immigrated to Canada, and >from where.

The other puzzle is her husband Moses, whose family appears to be Romanian.
Family lore is that he died in the Spanish American War, although there is no
evidence that he ever lived in the U.S. and no record that I've found among
war casualties (and no clue really on which side he may have fought).

Any ideas about how to locate Canadian immigration records >from 1897 - 1910
would be appreciated, as would any thoughts about locating Romanian emigration
information >from the same period.

Thanks,

Arnold D. Samlan

Researching: SAMLAN, FRIENDLICH, SHENKER (MONTREAL),
KOOPERMAN/COOPERMAN/KUPERMAN (YARUN/YARIN), BRODER/BROTHER (HIRCHIRKI ?, HIRKI?), ABRAMSON
(ENGLAND), SCHOTTLAND (ROPCZYCE, GALICIA)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please remember to always place family names
in capital letters. It makes them much easier to spot for those
who receive many emails a day!