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ERDSTEIN/Ellis Island #general

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

I've found several ERDSTEIN >from Kalusz, Galicia (now Ukraine) in the
Ellis Island database. Regina ERDSTEIN, 27 years of age, arrived on April
8th, 1911 with three children Fanni, Lotta, and David. Their ship the
Kaiserin Auguste Victoria had departed >from Hamburg. Regina was going to
stay with her father Abraham Wechler(?) at 435 Vienna, Brooklyn.

Chewe ERDSTEIN, 17 years, occupation housemaid, arrived on July 26, 1913.
Her ship the Kaiserin Auguste Victoria also departed >from Hamburg.

Rurolph (probably a misspelling of Rudolph) ERDSTEIN, 44 years, occupation
merchant, his ship the Aquitania arrived at Ellis Island on October 20th, 1922.

Abraham ERDSTEIN, 52 years,arrived on March 2nd, 1923. He had been living
in Jerusalem. According to the manifest Abraham was born in Kalusr which I
assume to be a mispelling of Kalusz.

How would I go about obtaining more information about these people and their
descendants?

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ERDSTEIN/Ellis Island #general

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

I've found several ERDSTEIN >from Kalusz, Galicia (now Ukraine) in the
Ellis Island database. Regina ERDSTEIN, 27 years of age, arrived on April
8th, 1911 with three children Fanni, Lotta, and David. Their ship the
Kaiserin Auguste Victoria had departed >from Hamburg. Regina was going to
stay with her father Abraham Wechler(?) at 435 Vienna, Brooklyn.

Chewe ERDSTEIN, 17 years, occupation housemaid, arrived on July 26, 1913.
Her ship the Kaiserin Auguste Victoria also departed >from Hamburg.

Rurolph (probably a misspelling of Rudolph) ERDSTEIN, 44 years, occupation
merchant, his ship the Aquitania arrived at Ellis Island on October 20th, 1922.

Abraham ERDSTEIN, 52 years,arrived on March 2nd, 1923. He had been living
in Jerusalem. According to the manifest Abraham was born in Kalusr which I
assume to be a mispelling of Kalusz.

How would I go about obtaining more information about these people and their
descendants?

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


Remember to search in Australia as well. #general

am <madele@...>
 

Australian Family Connections.
From: Adele Meren<madele@...>

I've noticed that *many* of your family searches are for *names* that we
have here in Australia.
Just to let people know that, when conducting family searches, they
should not forget the possible Australian connection of about 100,000
Jews. Jews have been here for over 200 years.
Melbourne [Australia] has the largest Jewish population of approx.
40,000 and has the second highest settlement of Holocaust survivors in
the world after Israel. It has the only Holocaust Museum set up by
actual survivors, as well as a Jewish Museum. Most of the post-war
Jewish immigration to Melbourne consisted of Polish Jews, with German
Jews settling pre-war. The Hungarian Jews came after 1956 but most
tended to settle in Sydney, Australia [which also has a Jewish Museum].
Russian Jews followed while the South African Jews have been the more
recent immigrants.
Other main centres of Jewish settlement are Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane
and Canberra. All of these cities have synagogues of various
congregations, as well as Jewish Burial societies which also house
family records e.g. Melbourne Chevra Kadisha <www.mck.org.au>
Family searches can be accessed via our phone books
<www.whitepages.com.au> specifying which town e.g. Melbourne, as well
as the Australian Jewish News at <www.ajn.com.au>. Various Jewish
Community Councils are also a good source of information, as well as
the Victorian Government Immigration Museum and the Dept. of
Immigration, Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs at <www.immi.gov.au>

Good luck,

Adele Meren,
Melbourne, Australia.

Searching KOWAL [Plock and Warsaw, Poland] and WEINBERG [Pilzno and
Cracow, Poland]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Remember to search in Australia as well. #general

am <madele@...>
 

Australian Family Connections.
From: Adele Meren<madele@...>

I've noticed that *many* of your family searches are for *names* that we
have here in Australia.
Just to let people know that, when conducting family searches, they
should not forget the possible Australian connection of about 100,000
Jews. Jews have been here for over 200 years.
Melbourne [Australia] has the largest Jewish population of approx.
40,000 and has the second highest settlement of Holocaust survivors in
the world after Israel. It has the only Holocaust Museum set up by
actual survivors, as well as a Jewish Museum. Most of the post-war
Jewish immigration to Melbourne consisted of Polish Jews, with German
Jews settling pre-war. The Hungarian Jews came after 1956 but most
tended to settle in Sydney, Australia [which also has a Jewish Museum].
Russian Jews followed while the South African Jews have been the more
recent immigrants.
Other main centres of Jewish settlement are Perth, Adelaide, Brisbane
and Canberra. All of these cities have synagogues of various
congregations, as well as Jewish Burial societies which also house
family records e.g. Melbourne Chevra Kadisha <www.mck.org.au>
Family searches can be accessed via our phone books
<www.whitepages.com.au> specifying which town e.g. Melbourne, as well
as the Australian Jewish News at <www.ajn.com.au>. Various Jewish
Community Councils are also a good source of information, as well as
the Victorian Government Immigration Museum and the Dept. of
Immigration, Multicultural and Indigenous Affairs at <www.immi.gov.au>

Good luck,

Adele Meren,
Melbourne, Australia.

Searching KOWAL [Plock and Warsaw, Poland] and WEINBERG [Pilzno and
Cracow, Poland]


1916 census of Jerusalem #galicia

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Does anyone have access to this Montefiore census of the Jews in Jerusalem
of 1916?
Thanks,
Avraham Ofek
Netanya


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia 1916 census of Jerusalem #galicia

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Does anyone have access to this Montefiore census of the Jews in Jerusalem
of 1916?
Thanks,
Avraham Ofek
Netanya


location of Labetz #general

Jania Sommers <mail@...>
 

In looking at the manifest for a possible ancestor, it shows him coming from
Labetz. JewishGen doesn't seem to show a town with this name. Any ideas
where it might be located?
Thank you.
Jania Sommers

Searching: SOSENKO >from Odessa/Nikolayev

Jania Sommers
Charleston SC
mail@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen location of Labetz #general

Jania Sommers <mail@...>
 

In looking at the manifest for a possible ancestor, it shows him coming from
Labetz. JewishGen doesn't seem to show a town with this name. Any ideas
where it might be located?
Thank you.
Jania Sommers

Searching: SOSENKO >from Odessa/Nikolayev

Jania Sommers
Charleston SC
mail@...


Re: Sfaradic Jews in Hungary #hungary

George Farkas <gfarkas@...>
 

I was told that my mother's family had been traced to Jews who came from
Spain after the expulsion and that a relative had created a family tree
showing
this genealogy. But I have been unable to get in touch with that relative or
find anyone who has seen a copy of that family tree.

george

George Farkas
Montreal


At 01/06/2005 08:19 AM, VivianeCK2003@... sent the following message:

Family myths or truths?
I grew up with the "myth" that my family *must* have originated >from the
Sephardim because my grandfather had dark olive skin, black eyes and
black hair.
Further, my mother said our family had come to Hungary after the
explulsion
of Jews >from Spain. However, I have no supporting documents...so this
remains ...a "myth".....
Did anyone else grow up with a myth such a this?
Viviane Kluska
Canton, MI


Re: Auslander Family... My bad #hungary

Henry <henry@...>
 

Hi Jordan,

I hope today is a better day and you dont have any deadlines.
Can you please answear the following questions.

1. I want to know how I can obtain records myself >from Ukraine?
2. Do you still have a copy of the actuall data that you took the info from,
from the Auslander and Benovics ?
3. Where were the records of Kereknye kept?
4. The town Bacso (Bacsava) is close to Kereknye, is it included in the same
records and did you take records >from there as well.

Thank You

Henry



-----Original Message-----
From: Jordan Auslander [mailto:jausland@...]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:25 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Re:[h-sig] Auslander Family... My bad


While I noticed that my 1999 FTJP summations weren't appearing only last
year, I (in addition to frantic work on completing a certain gazetteer)
have been augmenting those lines with new Transcarpathian data .

All Auslanders, over 1000 transcripts I catalogued. In addition there
have been collateral lines with familiar names >from the region:
Benovics, Bergida, Berkovics, Deutsch, Friedman, Gottesman, Jakobovics,
Lebovics, Meremlstein, Mittelman, Moscovics and Welber.

But when is a family tree really finished and ready for submission?
I'll bite the bullet and get this to JewishGen ASAP. Promise.
Jordan Auslander, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sfaradic Jews in Hungary #hungary

George Farkas <gfarkas@...>
 

I was told that my mother's family had been traced to Jews who came from
Spain after the expulsion and that a relative had created a family tree
showing
this genealogy. But I have been unable to get in touch with that relative or
find anyone who has seen a copy of that family tree.

george

George Farkas
Montreal


At 01/06/2005 08:19 AM, VivianeCK2003@... sent the following message:

Family myths or truths?
I grew up with the "myth" that my family *must* have originated >from the
Sephardim because my grandfather had dark olive skin, black eyes and
black hair.
Further, my mother said our family had come to Hungary after the
explulsion
of Jews >from Spain. However, I have no supporting documents...so this
remains ...a "myth".....
Did anyone else grow up with a myth such a this?
Viviane Kluska
Canton, MI


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Auslander Family... My bad #hungary

Henry <henry@...>
 

Hi Jordan,

I hope today is a better day and you dont have any deadlines.
Can you please answear the following questions.

1. I want to know how I can obtain records myself >from Ukraine?
2. Do you still have a copy of the actuall data that you took the info from,
from the Auslander and Benovics ?
3. Where were the records of Kereknye kept?
4. The town Bacso (Bacsava) is close to Kereknye, is it included in the same
records and did you take records >from there as well.

Thank You

Henry



-----Original Message-----
From: Jordan Auslander [mailto:jausland@...]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:25 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Re:[h-sig] Auslander Family... My bad


While I noticed that my 1999 FTJP summations weren't appearing only last
year, I (in addition to frantic work on completing a certain gazetteer)
have been augmenting those lines with new Transcarpathian data .

All Auslanders, over 1000 transcripts I catalogued. In addition there
have been collateral lines with familiar names >from the region:
Benovics, Bergida, Berkovics, Deutsch, Friedman, Gottesman, Jakobovics,
Lebovics, Meremlstein, Mittelman, Moscovics and Welber.

But when is a family tree really finished and ready for submission?
I'll bite the bullet and get this to JewishGen ASAP. Promise.
Jordan Auslander, NYC


* More Astounding Resources #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Vivian and all,

What Vivian found is a true Pandora box. One never ceases discovering new and fantastic research information and resources. Here is the one I uncovered today:

Magyarorszag nepessege a Pragmatica Sanctio koraban 1720-21.

It's a very comprehensive census of the population living in the Hungarian Empire, surveyed in around 1735-1739. Some pages are of special interest to us:

Pages 282 to 290 contain a detailed statistic of all Jews living in the Empire, classified by several criteria (including the regions >from where they came to the Empire) and presented by counties and places. The entry page is:
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04120203/0_0_2_pg_282.html

On pages 488 to 490 there is a summary (in Hungarian) of the history of Jewish settlements in the Empire and comments on migrations. The entry page is:
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04120203/0_0_2_pg_488.html

Enjoy
Tom

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Pe'cs - again #hungary

MMS <sabamoshe@...>
 

"The History of Jews in Hungary" (in Hungarian)
<http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04120104/index.html>

Moshe Shavit
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Pe'cs - again #hungary

MMS <sabamoshe@...>
 

"The History of Jews in Hungary" (in Hungarian)
<http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04120104/index.html>

Moshe Shavit
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary * More Astounding Resources #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Vivian and all,

What Vivian found is a true Pandora box. One never ceases discovering new and fantastic research information and resources. Here is the one I uncovered today:

Magyarorszag nepessege a Pragmatica Sanctio koraban 1720-21.

It's a very comprehensive census of the population living in the Hungarian Empire, surveyed in around 1735-1739. Some pages are of special interest to us:

Pages 282 to 290 contain a detailed statistic of all Jews living in the Empire, classified by several criteria (including the regions >from where they came to the Empire) and presented by counties and places. The entry page is:
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04120203/0_0_2_pg_282.html

On pages 488 to 490 there is a summary (in Hungarian) of the history of Jewish settlements in the Empire and comments on migrations. The entry page is:
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt04120203/0_0_2_pg_488.html

Enjoy
Tom

-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


1916 census of Jerusalem #hungary

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Does anyone have access to this Montefiore census of the Jews in Jerusalem
of 1916?
Thanks,
Avraham Ofek
Netanya

Moderator: Please respond off-list.


Re: 1715 Census On-Line #hungary

Robert Neu
 

1715 Census Search

1.Go to:
http://www.arcanum.hu/mol/

2. Select the 1715 Census

Do this by clicking on the envelope like yellow box in
front of the name of the census.

You will get the 1715 shown as selected and a list of
cities and counties of Old Hungary.

3. Select the city or county you want. This is a
“POSITIVE” list.If what you want is not there, then
it’s not there.
I selected “Veszpre’m” and got a “POSITIVE LIST” of
all the cities that are there. They appear as they are
in the Census. As an example I am interested in
Varpalota. It appears as Palota, and NOT in
alphabetical order.


The names on the census appear “transcribed” in the
order they are on the census.


5. If you scroll to the bottom you will see the
page(s) number where the data appears. By clicking on
the page you will get a copy of the original document
which you can magnify.

Note the first names are “latinized”(as are the rest
of the details), the only thing in Hungarian are the
family names. Are they any Jews there? I would venture
yes. The fact that the names are “Magyarized” I would
suspect only reflects the action of the census taker.
The cities of Papa, Veszprem and Varpalota should have
had a number of “German sounding names” other than
Jewish ones.


As a matter of details on the top of the first page it
shows that the town of Palota belonged to the “Zichy”
noble family, which by the way accepted Jewish
families >from early one.

In the same vein the city of Papa belonged to the
“Eszterhazy” noble family who also accepted Jewish
families early on (Think Burgenland.)

Any Jews there in Papa ? Well, there is a last name of
“UJ” - to my knowledge rarely used in Hungarian, and
yes, it means “Neu”.

Did Jews have last names before JosepII? For at least
German, Bohemian, Sephardic Jews(meaning originally
from Spain) more than likely yes. The proof of the
pudding is always in the eating.

Also remember in 1736 there were only 2500 Jewish
households in all of Hungary with the greater majority
in the counties bordering Austria, Bohemia and
Moravia.

Happy hunting

Robert

P.S. If you want the images that go with the above
send me an e-mail and I will send you an attachment as
images won't display in "plain text" and lyris does
not take attachments.

--- vkahn@... wrote:

I've made yet another find in cyberspace.

If you are fortunate enough to know where your
family was living in
1715 you will be ecstatic to learn that the 1715
Census can now be
found on-line at the Hungarian State Archives
website! The search
engine is in Hungarian and the records are, like the
1828 Census, in
Latin, but with a bit of effort it's possible to
find and download
pages >from the census.

Go to
http://www.arcanum.hu/mol/lpext.dll?f=searchforms&id=s-1715&

Enter the name of the place (wild cards are OK) in
the space that says
Helyseg and click on Kereses (search)

What you will get is a list of names of taxpayers
(Adozok neve) >from
that place.

Click on the number that appears below the names
next to the word
Oldalszam and you will see an image of the page from
the census.

It is very interesting to see that there are a
number of Jewish taxpayers
listed, especially in larger cities. Try entering
names in space under Adozok and see what comes up.
What you will get at the lower right side of the
screen is a list of places where the name appears.
Click on the name of the place and the list of names
for that place will be displayed above. Click on
the numbers below the entry to see images of the
pages for that community.

This is a very interesting resource even if you
don't find anything!

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary 1916 census of Jerusalem #hungary

Avraham <avrofek@...>
 

Does anyone have access to this Montefiore census of the Jews in Jerusalem
of 1916?
Thanks,
Avraham Ofek
Netanya

Moderator: Please respond off-list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1715 Census On-Line #hungary

Robert Neu
 

1715 Census Search

1.Go to:
http://www.arcanum.hu/mol/

2. Select the 1715 Census

Do this by clicking on the envelope like yellow box in
front of the name of the census.

You will get the 1715 shown as selected and a list of
cities and counties of Old Hungary.

3. Select the city or county you want. This is a
“POSITIVE” list.If what you want is not there, then
it’s not there.
I selected “Veszpre’m” and got a “POSITIVE LIST” of
all the cities that are there. They appear as they are
in the Census. As an example I am interested in
Varpalota. It appears as Palota, and NOT in
alphabetical order.


The names on the census appear “transcribed” in the
order they are on the census.


5. If you scroll to the bottom you will see the
page(s) number where the data appears. By clicking on
the page you will get a copy of the original document
which you can magnify.

Note the first names are “latinized”(as are the rest
of the details), the only thing in Hungarian are the
family names. Are they any Jews there? I would venture
yes. The fact that the names are “Magyarized” I would
suspect only reflects the action of the census taker.
The cities of Papa, Veszprem and Varpalota should have
had a number of “German sounding names” other than
Jewish ones.


As a matter of details on the top of the first page it
shows that the town of Palota belonged to the “Zichy”
noble family, which by the way accepted Jewish
families >from early one.

In the same vein the city of Papa belonged to the
“Eszterhazy” noble family who also accepted Jewish
families early on (Think Burgenland.)

Any Jews there in Papa ? Well, there is a last name of
“UJ” - to my knowledge rarely used in Hungarian, and
yes, it means “Neu”.

Did Jews have last names before JosepII? For at least
German, Bohemian, Sephardic Jews(meaning originally
from Spain) more than likely yes. The proof of the
pudding is always in the eating.

Also remember in 1736 there were only 2500 Jewish
households in all of Hungary with the greater majority
in the counties bordering Austria, Bohemia and
Moravia.

Happy hunting

Robert

P.S. If you want the images that go with the above
send me an e-mail and I will send you an attachment as
images won't display in "plain text" and lyris does
not take attachments.

--- vkahn@... wrote:

I've made yet another find in cyberspace.

If you are fortunate enough to know where your
family was living in
1715 you will be ecstatic to learn that the 1715
Census can now be
found on-line at the Hungarian State Archives
website! The search
engine is in Hungarian and the records are, like the
1828 Census, in
Latin, but with a bit of effort it's possible to
find and download
pages >from the census.

Go to
http://www.arcanum.hu/mol/lpext.dll?f=searchforms&id=s-1715&

Enter the name of the place (wild cards are OK) in
the space that says
Helyseg and click on Kereses (search)

What you will get is a list of names of taxpayers
(Adozok neve) >from
that place.

Click on the number that appears below the names
next to the word
Oldalszam and you will see an image of the page from
the census.

It is very interesting to see that there are a
number of Jewish taxpayers
listed, especially in larger cities. Try entering
names in space under Adozok and see what comes up.
What you will get at the lower right side of the
screen is a list of places where the name appears.
Click on the name of the place and the list of names
for that place will be displayed above. Click on
the numbers below the entry to see images of the
pages for that community.

This is a very interesting resource even if you
don't find anything!

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA