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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Looking for Family #ukraine

monroeg@...
 

Hello genners,
I am looking for descendents of the Shapiro family (name
was Shapelfka) in the Ukraine. I have been told that they
lived in Chmielnick, then moved to Vinniza , probably
around 1900. David Shapiro (Shapelfka) married Rifka
Dziakowski. Their children were:

Chaike (Ida) (born 1896) married Issac Andelman and moved
to Chicago, Illinois in the US. The other children were
Chasie , Shlomie Yitzhak , Yisroel , Simcha, Sura
Avraham and Lazar.

Pictures of some of the family taken in Russia around 1972
can be found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/
viewmateview.asp?key=6232

I would appreciate if anyone having information on this
family would contact me. Thank you very much.

Monroe Ginsburg
ST. Louis, MO

Researching:
GINZBURG(GINSBURG)-Grodno,Belarus;SORIN-Ros'/Volpa, Belarus
KOBRINSKY,KOBRE,KOBRIN- Kobrin, Belarus
DZIAKOWSKI, DIAKOVSKY, DAKOWSKY, SPITZ-- Sinyava
(Siniova),Ukraine/Buenos Aires, Argentina; TENZER-Sinyava,
Ukraine; SHAPIRA (SHAPEFKA)- Chmielnick/Vinniza, Ukraine


Looking for Family #ukraine

monroeg@...
 

Hello genners,
I am looking for descendents of the Shapiro family (name
was Shapelfka) in the Ukraine. I have been told that they
lived in Chmielnick, then moved to Vinniza , probably
around 1900. David Shapiro (Shapelfka) married Rifka
Dziakowski. Their children were:

Chaike (Ida) (born 1896) married Issac Andelman and moved
to Chicago, Illinois in the US. The other children were
Chasie , Shlomie Yitzhak , Yisroel , Simcha, Sura
Avraham and Lazar.

Pictures of some of the family taken in Russia around 1972
can be found at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/
viewmateview.asp?key=6232

I would appreciate if anyone having information on this
family would contact me. Thank you very much.

Monroe Ginsburg
ST. Louis, MO

Researching:
GINZBURG(GINSBURG)-Grodno,Belarus;SORIN-Ros'/Volpa, Belarus
KOBRINSKY,KOBRE,KOBRIN- Kobrin, Belarus
DZIAKOWSKI, DIAKOVSKY, DAKOWSKY, SPITZ-- Sinyava
(Siniova),Ukraine/Buenos Aires, Argentina; TENZER-Sinyava,
Ukraine; SHAPIRA (SHAPEFKA)- Chmielnick/Vinniza, Ukraine


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

Arthur Goldstuck <arthurg@...>
 

Adam Yamey asked:
In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in the
Houses of Parliament are recorded word for word in a series
of volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?
It's also called Hansard. You'd be able to access old records at Parliament
itself and in the National Archives. Your best bet is to e-mail them on
info@... to find out how to access it long distance. You'd
probably have to pay a researcher. Online records only date back to 1999.

Arthur Goldstuck


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

kelabraz@...
 

Adam Yamey writes:


In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in
the Houses of
Parliament are recorded word for word in a series of
volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?

Q1 Yes
Q2 Hansard


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

Jjlaca@...
 

Hi Adam,

The answer should come as no surprise - it is Hansard! (smile)

Jonny Joseph
Los Angeles, CA, USA (Was Johannesburg)

In a message dated 6/5/2005 11:14:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
safrica@... writes:
Subject: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT
From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:48:37 +0100 (BST)
X-Message-Number: 1

My great grandfather Franz GINSBERG was a Member of
Parliament (MLA) for King Williams Town on and off
from 1908 until about 1927. I wish to discover more
about the kinds of legislation with which he was
involved.

In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in
the Houses of
Parliament are recorded word for word in a series of
volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?

The period that interests me is 1908-1927, and the
Parliament(s) that
interest me are those that governed the Cape
Colony/Province including the Provincial Council,
which he joined as a member in 1910.

Thanks,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@...>


Re: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

Arthur Goldstuck <arthurg@...>
 

Adam Yamey asked:
In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in the
Houses of Parliament are recorded word for word in a series
of volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?
It's also called Hansard. You'd be able to access old records at Parliament
itself and in the National Archives. Your best bet is to e-mail them on
info@... to find out how to access it long distance. You'd
probably have to pay a researcher. Online records only date back to 1999.

Arthur Goldstuck


Re: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

Jjlaca@...
 

Hi Adam,

The answer should come as no surprise - it is Hansard! (smile)

Jonny Joseph
Los Angeles, CA, USA (Was Johannesburg)

In a message dated 6/5/2005 11:14:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
safrica@... writes:
Subject: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT
From: Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:48:37 +0100 (BST)
X-Message-Number: 1

My great grandfather Franz GINSBERG was a Member of
Parliament (MLA) for King Williams Town on and off
from 1908 until about 1927. I wish to discover more
about the kinds of legislation with which he was
involved.

In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in
the Houses of
Parliament are recorded word for word in a series of
volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?

The period that interests me is 1908-1927, and the
Parliament(s) that
interest me are those that governed the Cape
Colony/Province including the Provincial Council,
which he joined as a member in 1910.

Thanks,
Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@...>


Re: SOUTH AFRICAN (CAPE) PARLIAMENT #southafrica

kelabraz@...
 

Adam Yamey writes:


In the UK all proceedings (debates etc) that occur in
the Houses of
Parliament are recorded word for word in a series of
volumes known as "Hansard".

Does such a publication exist for the South African
Parliament? If yes, then what is it called?

Q1 Yes
Q2 Hansard


Re: Emigration Dates on US Census and City Directories #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

My mother-in-law states her maiden name is "FRIED". Others in her
family spell it "FREID", "FREED", etc. She claims they chose to spell it
in those ways on their own. When she came to this country, she thought
the name was actually "FRIEDLEIN", but Ellis Island has it down as
"FREDLINA" and that is exactly what the handwriting on the original
manifest looks like. The way she explains all this is that "everyone
has his or her own way of doing things". Leslie Weinberg

Guy M. wrote:

Could someone offer an opinion as to why my ancestors would give
different dates of emigration on different censuses? Most of my Jewish
ancestors were in the US by 1900. Looking at the four, US Censuses
(1900 -1930) an individual would often have listed 3 or 4 different
dates of emigration, sometimes, 10 years apart. I am trying to figure
out what led to this. Would it be safe to guess that the date given in
1900 was closer to the actual date?

Also I found that my FREED ancestors' names were spelled 8 different
ways in the Buffalo, NY city directories. (Freed, Freede, Fred, Frede,
Freid, Freide, Fried and Friede) Does anyone know how the names were
collected for the directories?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Emigration Dates on US Census and City Directories #general

Leslie Weinberg <artsoul@...>
 

My mother-in-law states her maiden name is "FRIED". Others in her
family spell it "FREID", "FREED", etc. She claims they chose to spell it
in those ways on their own. When she came to this country, she thought
the name was actually "FRIEDLEIN", but Ellis Island has it down as
"FREDLINA" and that is exactly what the handwriting on the original
manifest looks like. The way she explains all this is that "everyone
has his or her own way of doing things". Leslie Weinberg

Guy M. wrote:

Could someone offer an opinion as to why my ancestors would give
different dates of emigration on different censuses? Most of my Jewish
ancestors were in the US by 1900. Looking at the four, US Censuses
(1900 -1930) an individual would often have listed 3 or 4 different
dates of emigration, sometimes, 10 years apart. I am trying to figure
out what led to this. Would it be safe to guess that the date given in
1900 was closer to the actual date?

Also I found that my FREED ancestors' names were spelled 8 different
ways in the Buffalo, NY city directories. (Freed, Freede, Fred, Frede,
Freid, Freide, Fried and Friede) Does anyone know how the names were
collected for the directories?


Invitation to "Yiddishland in Paris" #general

Micheline GUTMANN <m.gutmann@...>
 

For all the Genners in France : we can send an invitation to the Feast
" Yiddishland in Paris" organized by AUJF and FSJU and the Mairie of Paris 4 on
June 19th >from 11 am to 7 30 pm in Paris 4.
GenAmi will have a stand of Jewish genealogy.

Micheline GUTMANN, Paris, France
m.gutmann@...
Site GenAmi : http://www.genami.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Invitation to "Yiddishland in Paris" #general

Micheline GUTMANN <m.gutmann@...>
 

For all the Genners in France : we can send an invitation to the Feast
" Yiddishland in Paris" organized by AUJF and FSJU and the Mairie of Paris 4 on
June 19th >from 11 am to 7 30 pm in Paris 4.
GenAmi will have a stand of Jewish genealogy.

Micheline GUTMANN, Paris, France
m.gutmann@...
Site GenAmi : http://www.genami.org


Re: INTRO - View Mate Photo and Name Question WENDEL #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

Michael Wendel wrote on GerSig:

1. Emanuel WENDEL [...] his birth date was 22 Mar 1830 somewhere
in Germany. [...] He arrived with his wife Babetta LEVY, who
according to her tombstone was born May 28, 1835 in Thalfang, Germany.
According to the book "Beitraege zur Geschichte der Juden in Thalfang" by
Hilde Weirich and Winfrid Krause (Spiesen-Elversberg: 1995, ISBN
3-9803152-4-X , p. 59) Emanuel WENDEL (in the book wrong: MENDEL), b. ca.
1827 in Alf (Mosel), son of Max WENDEL & Regina JAKOBI, was married in 1856
(in Thalfang?) to Babetta LEVY, b. ca. 1831 (in Hilscheid near Thalfang?),
daughter of Louis LEVY & Bile (Rosalia) JUDA.

Louis LEVY was born on 14 Dec 1775 in Hilscheid near Thalfang, son of Leib
"Lion" LEVY & Jakobine Loeb, and died in 1854 (in Thalfang?); in 1844, he
was a poor cattle dealer in Thalfang. He was married to Bile (Rosalia) JUDA,
b. ca. 1791 in Neumagen / Mosel (father: Juda Mayer), d. 1840 in Thalfang.
Their children were: Juda LEVY, b. 1820; Mayer LEVY, b. 1823, d. 1899,
tailor; Regina LEVY, b. 1827; Babetta LEVY, b. ca. 1831.

There were two families WENDEL living in Germany in the 19th century. Max
WENDEL in Alf might have come >from the one in Zeltingen-Rachtig / Mosel
where the surname was adopted in 1808, derived >from the patronymic "Mendel"
(many persons named "Emanuel" had the Judeo-German or Yiddish given name
"Mendel", a pet form of "Menachem", in Germany in the 1800's). Descendants
WENDEL were also living in Niederoefflingen (1843) and Bausendorf (1847)
near Wittlich before 1850.

The second family WENDEL was living in Flamersheim near Euskirchen (Rhineland)
in the early 1800's; they were Kohanim, descendants of the priestly caste.

You may want to order the marriage certificate of Emanuel WENDEL & Babetta
LEVY in Thalfang (1856):

Gemeinde Thalfang
Saarstrasse 3
54424 Thalfang / Germany
fon +49-6504 - 23 13
fax +49-6504 - 23 14
e-mail OGThalfang@...
http://www.thalfang.de/

Good luck with your research!

Kindest regards and Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@...


German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - View Mate Photo and Name Question WENDEL #germany

Lars E. Menk <Lmenk@...>
 

Michael Wendel wrote on GerSig:

1. Emanuel WENDEL [...] his birth date was 22 Mar 1830 somewhere
in Germany. [...] He arrived with his wife Babetta LEVY, who
according to her tombstone was born May 28, 1835 in Thalfang, Germany.
According to the book "Beitraege zur Geschichte der Juden in Thalfang" by
Hilde Weirich and Winfrid Krause (Spiesen-Elversberg: 1995, ISBN
3-9803152-4-X , p. 59) Emanuel WENDEL (in the book wrong: MENDEL), b. ca.
1827 in Alf (Mosel), son of Max WENDEL & Regina JAKOBI, was married in 1856
(in Thalfang?) to Babetta LEVY, b. ca. 1831 (in Hilscheid near Thalfang?),
daughter of Louis LEVY & Bile (Rosalia) JUDA.

Louis LEVY was born on 14 Dec 1775 in Hilscheid near Thalfang, son of Leib
"Lion" LEVY & Jakobine Loeb, and died in 1854 (in Thalfang?); in 1844, he
was a poor cattle dealer in Thalfang. He was married to Bile (Rosalia) JUDA,
b. ca. 1791 in Neumagen / Mosel (father: Juda Mayer), d. 1840 in Thalfang.
Their children were: Juda LEVY, b. 1820; Mayer LEVY, b. 1823, d. 1899,
tailor; Regina LEVY, b. 1827; Babetta LEVY, b. ca. 1831.

There were two families WENDEL living in Germany in the 19th century. Max
WENDEL in Alf might have come >from the one in Zeltingen-Rachtig / Mosel
where the surname was adopted in 1808, derived >from the patronymic "Mendel"
(many persons named "Emanuel" had the Judeo-German or Yiddish given name
"Mendel", a pet form of "Menachem", in Germany in the 1800's). Descendants
WENDEL were also living in Niederoefflingen (1843) and Bausendorf (1847)
near Wittlich before 1850.

The second family WENDEL was living in Flamersheim near Euskirchen (Rhineland)
in the early 1800's; they were Kohanim, descendants of the priestly caste.

You may want to order the marriage certificate of Emanuel WENDEL & Babetta
LEVY in Thalfang (1856):

Gemeinde Thalfang
Saarstrasse 3
54424 Thalfang / Germany
fon +49-6504 - 23 13
fax +49-6504 - 23 14
e-mail OGThalfang@...
http://www.thalfang.de/

Good luck with your research!

Kindest regards and Shalom,

Lars Menk Berlin, Germany Lmenk@...


Naturalization Requirements - Post WWII #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Can someone tell me what the required time period was to become an American
citizen immediately post WWII? Were there different requirements for
Holocaust survivors?

If an alien married an American citizen, did they immediately become a
citizen as well during that period?

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Naturalization Requirements - Post WWII #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Can someone tell me what the required time period was to become an American
citizen immediately post WWII? Were there different requirements for
Holocaust survivors?

If an alien married an American citizen, did they immediately become a
citizen as well during that period?

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


Re: Were they from Poland or Russia #general

Yehuda Berman <ybberman@...>
 

My father also came >from Kishinev in 1905 in what he, and everybody else
then called it, Bessarabia. His ethnic group or, as people used to say,
"nationality" was "Jewish" as was that of all the other Jews. At the time
he lived there, most inhabitants of the city were Jews and Russians and some
were Romanians and Germans. The peasants in the surrounding countryside
were mostly Romanian.

My father spoke Yiddish (what we used to call "Jewish") as his native
language and Russian as a second language. He didn’t speak Romanian because
there was no need to. However, his younger sisters, who continued to live
there after it was transferred to Romania after the First World War learned
to speak Romanian as well. Their Russian identity papers (it became Russian
again after the Second World War) identified them as "Jews" by nationality.

However, the United States did not and does not recognize people by their
“nationality” but by their "citizenship", which varies >from time to time as
borders change. In Eastern Europe, nobody’s ethnic group changes when
territory changes hands – only their citizenship. A Polish Jew is not a Pole
and a Russian Jew is not a Russian. So it makes sense to describe somebody’
s “nationality” as Jewish, and his origin as >from a certain town, which can
be described as belonging to one country then and now belonging to another
country.

Yehuda Berman,
Efrat, Israel

I found Lilli Sprintz' comments very interesting - re her paternal
grandfather as being "Romanian" having come >from Kishinev, now in Moldova.
My husband's grandfather also came >from Kishinev, Moldova but he always said
he came >from the Ukraine and considered himself "Ukrainian.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Were they from Poland or Russia #general

Yehuda Berman <ybberman@...>
 

My father also came >from Kishinev in 1905 in what he, and everybody else
then called it, Bessarabia. His ethnic group or, as people used to say,
"nationality" was "Jewish" as was that of all the other Jews. At the time
he lived there, most inhabitants of the city were Jews and Russians and some
were Romanians and Germans. The peasants in the surrounding countryside
were mostly Romanian.

My father spoke Yiddish (what we used to call "Jewish") as his native
language and Russian as a second language. He didn’t speak Romanian because
there was no need to. However, his younger sisters, who continued to live
there after it was transferred to Romania after the First World War learned
to speak Romanian as well. Their Russian identity papers (it became Russian
again after the Second World War) identified them as "Jews" by nationality.

However, the United States did not and does not recognize people by their
“nationality” but by their "citizenship", which varies >from time to time as
borders change. In Eastern Europe, nobody’s ethnic group changes when
territory changes hands – only their citizenship. A Polish Jew is not a Pole
and a Russian Jew is not a Russian. So it makes sense to describe somebody’
s “nationality” as Jewish, and his origin as >from a certain town, which can
be described as belonging to one country then and now belonging to another
country.

Yehuda Berman,
Efrat, Israel

I found Lilli Sprintz' comments very interesting - re her paternal
grandfather as being "Romanian" having come >from Kishinev, now in Moldova.
My husband's grandfather also came >from Kishinev, Moldova but he always said
he came >from the Ukraine and considered himself "Ukrainian.


Re: 1916 census of Jerusalem #general

Jane Rosen Berenbeim
 

Thanks to Mathilde Tagger for her reference to Shmuel Shamir's useful
article. I am curious to know if anyone has been successful in using
census and other records cited for Palestine in the late 19th century
through the 1920s.

Are there researchers in Israel who have expertise in searching these
records?

With thanks in advance,
Jane Rosen Berenbeim
NYC

ROSEN Olviopol, Bogopol, Kishinev, Odessa > Palestine > NYC and Australia
SCHAPIRO Kovno gubernia > Palestine > NYC; REITER Pogrebishche (Kiev gubernia)>NYC
KLEINER Yanov (near Vinnitsa) > NYC and Israel
BERENBEIM/BERENBAUM Baryshevka (near Kiev) > Winnipeg, Denver, NYC
GANETSKY Mogilev > Winnipeg > Denver; GURNY/GOODNEY Lodz > NYC
MALSCHEVETZER/SIEGEL > Proskurov > New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1916 census of Jerusalem #general

Jane Rosen Berenbeim
 

Thanks to Mathilde Tagger for her reference to Shmuel Shamir's useful
article. I am curious to know if anyone has been successful in using
census and other records cited for Palestine in the late 19th century
through the 1920s.

Are there researchers in Israel who have expertise in searching these
records?

With thanks in advance,
Jane Rosen Berenbeim
NYC

ROSEN Olviopol, Bogopol, Kishinev, Odessa > Palestine > NYC and Australia
SCHAPIRO Kovno gubernia > Palestine > NYC; REITER Pogrebishche (Kiev gubernia)>NYC
KLEINER Yanov (near Vinnitsa) > NYC and Israel
BERENBEIM/BERENBAUM Baryshevka (near Kiev) > Winnipeg, Denver, NYC
GANETSKY Mogilev > Winnipeg > Denver; GURNY/GOODNEY Lodz > NYC
MALSCHEVETZER/SIEGEL > Proskurov > New Jersey