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FW: Visiting Pidvolocysk #galicia

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Thanks to those who responded. For the ones who asked if I plan to do any
research, no, I don't. I would just like to see the place where my
grandfather was born.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...

-----Original Message-----

I'm starting to plan for a possible trip to include Pidvolocysk (now in
Ukraine, formerly Podwolocyska in Galicia) some time next year and would be
very glad to hear privately >from people who have visited this place,
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia FW: Visiting Pidvolocysk #galicia

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Thanks to those who responded. For the ones who asked if I plan to do any
research, no, I don't. I would just like to see the place where my
grandfather was born.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...

-----Original Message-----

I'm starting to plan for a possible trip to include Pidvolocysk (now in
Ukraine, formerly Podwolocyska in Galicia) some time next year and would be
very glad to hear privately >from people who have visited this place,
Visiting Moravia #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I'm starting to plan for a trip next year to include several places in
Moravia, and would be very glad to hear privately >from people who have
visited the places mentioned below, and what their experiences - good and
bad - were. How did you get there, what was transport like, what was local
accommodation like etc. We will probably be based in Vienna, but don't yet
know how much time we'll have available. After looking at maps, I have very
very tentatively thought that we might stay a night or two in Brno and see
the places over two/three days. I don't intend to do any research - I just
want to see the places where my ancestors lived.

I have explored some of the on-line information available, but no doubt
there's more, and personal experiences would be most useful.

The places are (possibly) Terezin, Uhersky Brod, Uhersky Hradiste, Hodonin
and Podivin. I have a contact in UB, which will doubtless help.

Please respond privately

Many thanks

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...
Searching:
NOWAK - Moravia, Austria/Vienna - >
EISINGER - Moravia - >
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia, Poland
NAGEL - Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Visiting Moravia #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I'm starting to plan for a trip next year to include several places in
Moravia, and would be very glad to hear privately >from people who have
visited the places mentioned below, and what their experiences - good and
bad - were. How did you get there, what was transport like, what was local
accommodation like etc. We will probably be based in Vienna, but don't yet
know how much time we'll have available. After looking at maps, I have very
very tentatively thought that we might stay a night or two in Brno and see
the places over two/three days. I don't intend to do any research - I just
want to see the places where my ancestors lived.

I have explored some of the on-line information available, but no doubt
there's more, and personal experiences would be most useful.

The places are (possibly) Terezin, Uhersky Brod, Uhersky Hradiste, Hodonin
and Podivin. I have a contact in UB, which will doubtless help.

Please respond privately

Many thanks

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...
Searching:
NOWAK - Moravia, Austria/Vienna - >
EISINGER - Moravia - >
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia, Poland
NAGEL - Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia
Kremenets, Katerinovka, Shumskoye, Chervonoarmeysk (Radzivilov) #ukraine

ssroth@...
 

Hi All,

If you are researching roots in Kremenets, Ukraine or any of the
surrounding towns such as Katerinovka, Shumskoye, Berezets, Pochayev,
Vishnevets, Lanovstsy, Vyshgorodok, Yampol or other nearby towns - and are
planning on going to the IAJGS Conference in Las Vegas this summer - please
email me if you are interested in coming to a Birds of a Feather meeting.

For a more complete list of the nearby towns see:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets/Records_and_transcriptions/guides/Kremenets_Registration_Towns.htm

If you are already a member of the Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP but
haven't heard >from me or Ron Doctor in awhile, you should also email me as
you may need to update your email address with us or check to make sure that
our messages are not going to the spam file.

New inquiries are also welcome. Hope to hear >from you.

Sheree Roth
Co- Coordinator Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP
ssroth@...
Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Kremenets, Katerinovka, Shumskoye, Chervonoarmeysk (Radzivilov) #ukraine

ssroth@...
 

Hi All,

If you are researching roots in Kremenets, Ukraine or any of the
surrounding towns such as Katerinovka, Shumskoye, Berezets, Pochayev,
Vishnevets, Lanovstsy, Vyshgorodok, Yampol or other nearby towns - and are
planning on going to the IAJGS Conference in Las Vegas this summer - please
email me if you are interested in coming to a Birds of a Feather meeting.

For a more complete list of the nearby towns see:
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kremenets/Records_and_transcriptions/guides/Kremenets_Registration_Towns.htm

If you are already a member of the Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP but
haven't heard >from me or Ron Doctor in awhile, you should also email me as
you may need to update your email address with us or check to make sure that
our messages are not going to the spam file.

New inquiries are also welcome. Hope to hear >from you.

Sheree Roth
Co- Coordinator Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP
ssroth@...
Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mystery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Mark Halpern wrote

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator
Dera Mark,

Thank you kindly for your reply.

I'm afraid that mystery is not resolved.

Consider the following:

There are 243 records for town Tysmieniczany listed in JRI-Poland records.

With exception of three records listed in Bursztyn, and one record listed in
Rozdol for Tysmieniczany, all other 239 records ( thirty three in Kolomyja,
three in Nadworna and 203 in Stanislawow) do not include child and father
names.

What had happened in Tysmieniczany? Looks like a witch-hunt or some kind of
curse has declared all local women to be illegitimately married.

I can understand that in few cases this can happened but not in 239 out of
243.

Is there a possibility to examine at least one original birth record to
check annotations made by the local scribe or Stanislawow Rabbanut in order
to resolve the mystery. Can you please arrange this with AGAD folks?

Best,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mystery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Mark Halpern wrote

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator
Dera Mark,

Thank you kindly for your reply.

I'm afraid that mystery is not resolved.

Consider the following:

There are 243 records for town Tysmieniczany listed in JRI-Poland records.

With exception of three records listed in Bursztyn, and one record listed in
Rozdol for Tysmieniczany, all other 239 records ( thirty three in Kolomyja,
three in Nadworna and 203 in Stanislawow) do not include child and father
names.

What had happened in Tysmieniczany? Looks like a witch-hunt or some kind of
curse has declared all local women to be illegitimately married.

I can understand that in few cases this can happened but not in 239 out of
243.

Is there a possibility to examine at least one original birth record to
check annotations made by the local scribe or Stanislawow Rabbanut in order
to resolve the mystery. Can you please arrange this with AGAD folks?

Best,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records


Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany
on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland
database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513,
Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born
1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With
a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would
be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to
Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Mark Halpern
 

There are many examples in many towns in Galicia where the child's
surname is not identified and where the father is also not identified.
This information is missing >from the original record.

Why is this information missing? My guess is that the child, Rubin, was
considered by the Austrian Government to be illegitimate. This means his
parents, who were most likely married in a Jewish religious ceremony,
were not married in a ceremony that could be registered with the civil
authorities. In many cases like this, the child's surname is not
recorded.

The fact that the father's name is missing could also mean that the
parents did not have a recognized civil marriage. Many times the
father's name is recorded when he signs a witnessed statement of
paternity. For some reason, this did not happen. It also could be that
the father had died before the birth. Since no other births to Misie
HORN appear in the Stanislawow indices, it could be that the father died
before childbirth.

For more information about Galician civil marriages and legitimacy of
children, please search the SIG List Archives at
http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~sigspop.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland AGAD Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records


Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany
on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland
database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513,
Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born
1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With
a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would
be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to
Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513, Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born 1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Misie as Female Given Name - mistery with Tysmieniczany records #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Misie as Female Given Name

His name was Rubin HORN and I know only his mother'
name Misie.
I know that it's a nickname in Yiddish but no more.
DOMINIQUE HORN POSLUSHNI
Yavne, in Israel.
Dominique,

I have read also your message related to Rubin Horn and Tysmieniczany on the
Jewish Gen discussion list.

You are referring to information containing in JRI-P/ All Poland database
at:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Poland/

It lists under Stanislawow (Ivano Frankovsk) records Akt 513, Signatura 1225
Misie Horn (maiden name) >from Tysmieniczany as mother of Rubin, born 1891.

I would like to draw your attention to an unusual pattern regarding
Tysmieniczany records.

There 243 records (mostly births) related to town Tysmieniczany. With a few
exceptions, in nearly all of them there is missing following data:

Child surname,
Father's surname
Father name
Father's town (town 1)

Is this something that missing >from the original records, which would be a
bit unusual (how records were listed in the first place?) or it is an
omission on AGAD personnel in Warsaw who transferred the records to Excel
format?

I am copying this letter to Mark Halpern with the request that he will
investigate the issue.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Leeds Records #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik at JCR-UK <jcr-uk-mod@...>
 

As you are aware Jewish Communities and Records United Kingdom (JCR-UK) is a
joint venture between JewishGen and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great
Britain.

Occasionally large chunks of data are donated exclusively to JGSGB and this
has recently been the case when 48,000 Leeds census, marriage and burial
records were made available to JGSGB by Murray Freedman.

For those of you searching for relatives in Leeds it might well be worth
considering joining JGS Great Britain.

For further information on the Society please visit our web pages at
www.jgsgb.org.uk

Louise Messik
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Leeds Records #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik at JCR-UK <jcr-uk-mod@...>
 

As you are aware Jewish Communities and Records United Kingdom (JCR-UK) is a
joint venture between JewishGen and the Jewish Genealogical Society of Great
Britain.

Occasionally large chunks of data are donated exclusively to JGSGB and this
has recently been the case when 48,000 Leeds census, marriage and burial
records were made available to JGSGB by Murray Freedman.

For those of you searching for relatives in Leeds it might well be worth
considering joining JGS Great Britain.

For further information on the Society please visit our web pages at
www.jgsgb.org.uk

Louise Messik
Breast/ovarian cancer gene and Genealogy #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello JewishGenners,
I am trying to find anyone who has the specific BRCA-1 gene mutation called,
185del AG. If you or anyone in your family has this specific mutation, it
is very likely we are related in some way. Would love to compare notes, even
if we don't appear to share a surname in common. Our common ancestor could go
way back beyond the time surnames were used.

Thanks,

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@...
Some of the names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND/FROYD, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PIENTAK,
WINICKA.
Lithuania: LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF
Location unknown: FLASTERSTEIN, GORELIK,
Ukraine: GLASS, KWATCHINSKY, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, SHIFFMAN,

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with personal connections.
Readers interested in more in-depth discussion of genetics and DNA
testing can visit our Genealogy by Genetics page and DNA mailing
list at http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/ .
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Breast/ovarian cancer gene and Genealogy #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello JewishGenners,
I am trying to find anyone who has the specific BRCA-1 gene mutation called,
185del AG. If you or anyone in your family has this specific mutation, it
is very likely we are related in some way. Would love to compare notes, even
if we don't appear to share a surname in common. Our common ancestor could go
way back beyond the time surnames were used.

Thanks,

Shelly Crane
crzprncess@...
Some of the names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki: DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND/FROYD, FROMSEN,
GABELMAN, LANGUS, LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PIENTAK,
WINICKA.
Lithuania: LIPOVICH/LIPOWICZ/LIPOFF
Location unknown: FLASTERSTEIN, GORELIK,
Ukraine: GLASS, KWATCHINSKY, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, SHIFFMAN,

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately with personal connections.
Readers interested in more in-depth discussion of genetics and DNA
testing can visit our Genealogy by Genetics page and DNA mailing
list at http://www.jewishgen.org/dna/ .
Re: Restoration of Rymanow (Galicia) synagogue #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Great questions. What is the meaning and function of a rebuilt
synagogue in a Poland without Jews? Does this project have any popular
support or interest among local Polish residents? Has any work been done
explaining and educating local residents regarding this project?

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com

Amazing.......they are rebuilding the Rymanov synagogue....

Question: *Who* is rebuilding the synagogue? Former residents or
people living now in Rymanov?
Is it going to be a holocaust memorial for those who perished or used
as prayer house?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Restoration of Rymanow (Galicia) synagogue #general

Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
 

Great questions. What is the meaning and function of a rebuilt
synagogue in a Poland without Jews? Does this project have any popular
support or interest among local Polish residents? Has any work been done
explaining and educating local residents regarding this project?

Tilford Bartman, www.zabludow.com

Amazing.......they are rebuilding the Rymanov synagogue....

Question: *Who* is rebuilding the synagogue? Former residents or
people living now in Rymanov?
Is it going to be a holocaust memorial for those who perished or used
as prayer house?
Re: Sophie BIRN KLEIN, Estenfeld, Bavaria > Norden, Niedersachsen #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Bonnie Birns schrieb:
"Sophie BIRN, born Estenfeld bei Wurzburg, Bavaria, Germany, June 26, 1842 or 1843
married N. KLEIN. This I already knew.
The new information is that she died January 15, 1920 in Norden. I was told that
this town is at the North Sea, near Emden and Aurich. I looked this up to be
Niedersachsen. Would it be possible to get a death certificate or any other proof
of her existence >from Norden?"

Dear Bonnie,
the email address of the residence registration office (Standesamt) of
the city of Norden is:

standesamt@...

Try your luck there, I am sure they understand English. Wishing you success,

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@...>
German SIG #Germany Re: Sophie BIRN KLEIN, Estenfeld, Bavaria > Norden, Niedersachsen #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Bonnie Birns schrieb:
"Sophie BIRN, born Estenfeld bei Wurzburg, Bavaria, Germany, June 26, 1842 or 1843
married N. KLEIN. This I already knew.
The new information is that she died January 15, 1920 in Norden. I was told that
this town is at the North Sea, near Emden and Aurich. I looked this up to be
Niedersachsen. Would it be possible to get a death certificate or any other proof
of her existence >from Norden?"

Dear Bonnie,
the email address of the residence registration office (Standesamt) of
the city of Norden is:

standesamt@...

Try your luck there, I am sure they understand English. Wishing you success,

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@...>
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