Sheva KNAUL, daughter of Chaya Brahna DODEL (born in Toporow) and Efraim
"Eber" KNAUL married a Leizer, surname unknown). They had a daughter,
name unknown.

Sheva and her daughter were murdered in the Shoah.

There were reports that her widower, Leizer, survived and ended up in
Buffalo, NY.

Does this sound familiar to anyone in upstate NY?

Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

Sheva KNAUL, daughter of Chaya Brahna DODEL (born in Toporow) and Efraim
"Eber" KNAUL married a Leizer, surname unknown). They had a daughter,
name unknown.

Sheva and her daughter were murdered in the Shoah.

There were reports that her widower, Leizer, survived and ended up in
Buffalo, NY.

Does this sound familiar to anyone in upstate NY?

Barbara S. Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

Hi Fellow Genners:
I was thinking of hiring a genealogist.
I found a really nice guy who seems to have it all but cannot give me a
total estimate of how much the entire venture will cost me. I am not sure if I
should hire him immediately.
Since I am a complete novice here....could people tell me their experiences
with hiring a genealogist in a European Country and how much I can expect it
to cost me.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, Michigan
please reply to _vivianeck2003@...

Should I also post it to the SIG to which it belongs?
I do not know about cross posting......

MODERATOR NOTE: By all means post this question to the appropriate SIG.
The answers may well vary >from country to country.
Replies with general advice and experience will be considered for posting.
We cannot post any replies that identify specific researchers.

Hi Fellow Genners:
I was thinking of hiring a genealogist.
I found a really nice guy who seems to have it all but cannot give me a
total estimate of how much the entire venture will cost me. I am not sure if I
should hire him immediately.
Since I am a complete novice here....could people tell me their experiences
with hiring a genealogist in a European Country and how much I can expect it
to cost me.
Viviane Kluska
Canton, Michigan
please reply to _vivianeck2003@...

Should I also post it to the SIG to which it belongs?
I do not know about cross posting......

MODERATOR NOTE: By all means post this question to the appropriate SIG.
The answers may well vary >from country to country.
Replies with general advice and experience will be considered for posting.
We cannot post any replies that identify specific researchers.

Dear Genners,
I need to obtain information >from (or a photo of) a gravestone for
one of my relatives, Samuel H. BLOOM.
He was my great grandfather's older brother. He died on June 17 or 18,
1925 and was buried in Children
of Israel Cemetery on Miry Brook Road in Danbury. Thanks for your help.

Howard ORENSTEIN
horenstein@...

Searching for ORENSTEIN, BLUM (BLOOM), HOLLAND, PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK

from Wyszkow, Serock, Poland

--
Howard B. Orenstein
Westminster, MD

Dear Genners,
I need to obtain information >from (or a photo of) a gravestone for
one of my relatives, Samuel H. BLOOM.
He was my great grandfather's older brother. He died on June 17 or 18,
1925 and was buried in Children
of Israel Cemetery on Miry Brook Road in Danbury. Thanks for your help.

Howard ORENSTEIN
horenstein@...

Searching for ORENSTEIN, BLUM (BLOOM), HOLLAND, PIENIEK, OSTROWIAK

from Wyszkow, Serock, Poland

--
Howard B. Orenstein
Westminster, MD

researching my father's family
I "know" my paternal grandparents (married)arrived
1904 NY >from Russia; however, I've yet to find them on
Ellis Island database
clueless as to what ship they arrived on

searching under name variations, too
my intention is to locate relatives (living)

suggestions fellow genners?

thank you
Jackie Lerner-Aderman

I found a relative recently in the California Death Index.
The Social Security number listed for this person was
her late husband's SSN. Is this normal in the CADI?
This was my first search in the CADI.
--Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL, USA

researching my father's family
I "know" my paternal grandparents (married)arrived
1904 NY >from Russia; however, I've yet to find them on
Ellis Island database
clueless as to what ship they arrived on

searching under name variations, too
my intention is to locate relatives (living)

suggestions fellow genners?

thank you
Jackie Lerner-Aderman

I found a relative recently in the California Death Index.
The Social Security number listed for this person was
her late husband's SSN. Is this normal in the CADI?
This was my first search in the CADI.
--Barry Finkel
Chicago, IL, USA

This is my yearly posting with my attempt to locate
any remaining family of the Ukrainian/Russian,
BERNSTEIN/BARANSHTEYN family from
Labun/Labunia/Polonnoye, or any town near Polonnoye,
Ukraine.

All the Jewish residents of Labun were murdered and
the town virtually disappeared. There is now a
Novolabun in the Ukraine.

All the BERNSTEINS that immigrated prior to WWII I am
aware of, are either descendants of Harris BERNSTEIN
(London), or Louis BERNSTEIN (my grandfather) of
(Chicago).

Stewart K. Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA

This is my yearly posting with my attempt to locate
any remaining family of the Ukrainian/Russian,
BERNSTEIN/BARANSHTEYN family from
Labun/Labunia/Polonnoye, or any town near Polonnoye,
Ukraine.

All the Jewish residents of Labun were murdered and
the town virtually disappeared. There is now a
Novolabun in the Ukraine.

All the BERNSTEINS that immigrated prior to WWII I am
aware of, are either descendants of Harris BERNSTEIN
(London), or Louis BERNSTEIN (my grandfather) of
(Chicago).

Stewart K. Bernstein
Thousand Oaks, CA

Thanks to those who responded to my previous post to
let me know that this document is actually in German,
not Polish. I am still looking for a help with a
translation of the following except >from my
grandfather's birth record:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6124

If necessary, I could send a larger image of the text.

Please reply privately to me: stan@...

Thanks in advance for your help.

Stan Deutsch
Oakland, CA

I have recently been informed that Marriage record
recording was not required in Cook County until
January 1, 1916. This information came >from the Cook
County Records Office.

I was informed when searching for the Marriage Record
for my great-greatfather, Louis RUBIN, and his bride,
Anne SHAPIRO, who were married in 1891 (second
marriage for Louis).

Does anyone have any ideas how I may find an alternate
source for that record? I would imagine that the Shul
they were married at probably had the record, but
after 100 years, I doubt if that record is still
around.

Any help woulkd be appreciated.

Stewart Bernstein

Addl. RUBIN relatives >from Chicago: Bennie RUBIN,
Samuel RUBIN, Rebecca RUBIN

Thanks to those who responded to my previous post to
let me know that this document is actually in German,
not Polish. I am still looking for a help with a
translation of the following except >from my
grandfather's birth record:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6124

If necessary, I could send a larger image of the text.

Please reply privately to me: stan@...

Thanks in advance for your help.

Stan Deutsch
Oakland, CA

I have recently been informed that Marriage record
recording was not required in Cook County until
January 1, 1916. This information came >from the Cook
County Records Office.

I was informed when searching for the Marriage Record
for my great-greatfather, Louis RUBIN, and his bride,
Anne SHAPIRO, who were married in 1891 (second
marriage for Louis).

Does anyone have any ideas how I may find an alternate
source for that record? I would imagine that the Shul
they were married at probably had the record, but
after 100 years, I doubt if that record is still
around.

Any help woulkd be appreciated.

Stewart Bernstein

Addl. RUBIN relatives >from Chicago: Bennie RUBIN,
Samuel RUBIN, Rebecca RUBIN

Hi Joan:

You asked about the "legalese" for Naturalization Petitions for those over and under 21.
This is an exception to the normal two step process to apply for Citizenship.

Check the NARA website:
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/research_topics/naturalization_records.html

"The second major exception to the general rule was that, >from 1824 to 1906, minor aliens who
had lived in the United States 5 years before their 23rd birthday could file both their
declarations and petitions at the same time. "

I will post to the group since it is a general question.

Regards,

Anna Reuter
Palo Alto, CA

Hi Joan:

You asked about the "legalese" for Naturalization Petitions for those over and under 21.
This is an exception to the normal two step process to apply for Citizenship.

Check the NARA website:
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/research_topics/naturalization_records.html

"The second major exception to the general rule was that, >from 1824 to 1906, minor aliens who
had lived in the United States 5 years before their 23rd birthday could file both their
declarations and petitions at the same time. "

I will post to the group since it is a general question.

Regards,

Anna Reuter
Palo Alto, CA

The “Landsmen” Editor, Marlene Silverman, has asked me to remind our
members to send in their renewal for Vol. 15 (scheduled for publication
around June 30.) Annual subscription rates remain the same: $24 in the
U.S.; in Canada $25 [Surface] or $27 [Air]; all other countries $30
[Surface] or $37 [Air]. Mail to: Suwalk-Lomza Group, Box 228, 3701
Connecticut Ave., NW, Washington D.C 20008. We hope to minimize the
number of renewal reminders that will have to be sent through the
regular mail -- so please do not delay.

Work in progress for Vol. 15 [Year 2005] includes the following:

. The 1765 census for Lozdzieje, and extracts of civil birth and death
records for this town >from 1826 - c. mid-1830's. Also, extracts of
Jewish records found in Mormon microfilms for the nearby townlet of
Swieto Jeziory (1808-1825).

. Extracts of civil marriages for Grajewo, late 1870's.

. Tombstone inscriptions at the Jeleniewo cemetery.

. The 1784 census for Sejny and Berzniki; and newly extracted data >from
the pre-1826 civil records for Sejny.

. The 1784 census for Przerosl and Krasnopol (recently discovered at the
Vilnius Archive, as were the 1784 censuses for Sejny and Berzniki).

. More extracts >from governmental files for Suwalk Gubernia (mid - late
19th c.); and for Lomza Gubernia (late 19th - early 20th c.).

Also, the Suwalk-Lomza Web Site (on JewishGen) is about to be updated
and expanded. Update of “Landsmen” contents through Vol. 14 should
appear around the end of this month. New features of the site should
appear by the end of June, including: a photographic section, maps, and
an E-mail address for Suwalk-Lomza SIG/ ”Landsmen.”

The “Landsmen” Editor, Marlene Silverman, has asked me to remind our
members to send in their renewal for Vol. 15 (scheduled for publication
around June 30.) Annual subscription rates remain the same: $24 in the
U.S.; in Canada $25 [Surface] or $27 [Air]; all other countries $30
[Surface] or $37 [Air]. Mail to: Suwalk-Lomza Group, Box 228, 3701
Connecticut Ave., NW, Washington D.C 20008. We hope to minimize the
number of renewal reminders that will have to be sent through the
regular mail -- so please do not delay.

Work in progress for Vol. 15 [Year 2005] includes the following:

. The 1765 census for Lozdzieje, and extracts of civil birth and death
records for this town >from 1826 - c. mid-1830's. Also, extracts of
Jewish records found in Mormon microfilms for the nearby townlet of
Swieto Jeziory (1808-1825).

. Extracts of civil marriages for Grajewo, late 1870's.

. Tombstone inscriptions at the Jeleniewo cemetery.

. The 1784 census for Sejny and Berzniki; and newly extracted data >from
the pre-1826 civil records for Sejny.

. The 1784 census for Przerosl and Krasnopol (recently discovered at the
Vilnius Archive, as were the 1784 censuses for Sejny and Berzniki).

. More extracts >from governmental files for Suwalk Gubernia (mid - late
19th c.); and for Lomza Gubernia (late 19th - early 20th c.).

Also, the Suwalk-Lomza Web Site (on JewishGen) is about to be updated
and expanded. Update of “Landsmen” contents through Vol. 14 should
appear around the end of this month. New features of the site should
appear by the end of June, including: a photographic section, maps, and
an E-mail address for Suwalk-Lomza SIG/ ”Landsmen.”